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ZFGC.com => Updates => Topic started by: Vash on December 14, 2008, 11:08:56 am
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Alright,
I made some massive changes tonight, mostly some board organizational things, some of you wont be overly pleased with the changes, but it's what we feel is best to get this site back on track towards development.
The purpose of this forum (generally speaking) is development, specifically Zelda Fan-Game development, if you're not here to play those games or develop those games, we really feel you have no purpose here.
With that said, I've removed the following boards:
Other Discussion
Debates/Current Events
Advertisements
Topic Archive (still there it just needs cleaned so I've hidden it for now)
Forum Games
A lot of boards have been renamed and placed in logical locations. There is still a lot of shifting to be done and 'rules' regarding the functionality of the Project/Development boards, those will come later today (it's 12am for me at the moment).
Feedback is welcome.. I'm always happy to take suggestions and ideas. However being negative or harsh isn't acceptable.
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A bold move vash, very bold. But nonetheless, I'm happy this site is finally taking some action other than numerous topics in various boards about the future.
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I have no purpose here :'(
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I have no purpose here :'(
I think what he's ultimately trying to say is that you too have something you could contribute to the game development community. You're very articulate and intelligent; so why not shoot out some game ideas or storylines or something along those lines while you're browsing. Stuff like that. Realistically it's something everyone can participate in in one way shape or form. Game development isn't all programming.
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Game development has a lot of parts, I don't fit into any of the 'core' parts myself at the moment. I'm not a programmer or a graphics designer by any means.. but I do play games, that's one of the most important parts. :p
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I have no purpose here :'(
I think what he's ultimately trying to say is that you too have something you could contribute to the game development community. You're very articulate and intelligent; so why not shoot out some game ideas or storylines or something along those lines while you're browsing. Stuff like that. Realistically it's something everyone can participate in in one way shape or form. Game development isn't all programming.
Out of every compliment you've ever given me Mammy, this has to be the best one.
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So I'm gonna be writing some spriting tutorials for graphics forum, and try to integrate the chatroom a bit better.
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Nooooooo, not Off-topic
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Without OT, Guardians of Hyrule is basically the only reason I'm here...
Oh yeah, I guess I better do some writing for that.
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I'm ok with the new layout myself. I'll be waiting for those sprite tutorials, DJ! *Looks for GM Zelda tutorials*
EDIT: I was thinking, what about a support forum? You know, in case people aren't working on a game and just want to know some things about GM. Take my example question:
Is there a way to export rooms and full gif or png maps?
That question doesn't seem deserving of a topic in any of the development forums. I'm thinking a support forum would solve most of the "off-forum" topic issues.
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Nooooooo, not Off-topic
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Without OT, Guardians of Hyrule is basically the only reason I'm here...
Oh yeah, I guess I better do some writing for that.
And I need to get off my ass, stop playing Rock Band 2, and get back to programming GoH. >_>
But I personally dont think this is a good move. I can understand wanting to gear the forum towards development, but I dont think anything will make this forum popular like it once was. And I dont think this will work very well. Sure, a few people might start up development on their games. But many more will just leave the forum.
Who cares about development? If people want to develop, they will develop. If they dont, let them talk, if that's what they're here for.
Man, you guys are even better than Sonic Team at alienating a userbase.
At least bring back Debates.
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Looks a bit sloppier to me. Like you have way to many sections in Development and Resources.
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I guess I'm more of a neutral type when it comes to this. I really don't mind the changes, however I can see the good and bad out of this.
GOOD: more emphasis on development, I find, is a good idea. We are Zelda FAN GAME Central. I haven't tried developing a fan game with Game Maker or anything, but I am a programmer and it is very interesting to see what you guys are developing. I will do my best to supply more ideas and suggestions. Also, I'm a graphics designer, so maybe supplying more graphics could help too.
BAD: I can see where people would get annoyed by this change. The forums you took down were non-development forums. Let's say everyone here was helping with development; those forums you took down served as almost a break for developers. They were good to kind of get to know the community on an off-topic relation. As much as I agree that this forum is supposed to be for development, taking down off-topic forums like this may enrage people or get them to just post their silly topics in Community Speak or something.
I'll emphasize that I'm neutral to these changes, but I can see why this is a bad idea.
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Off, i like off topic, i didn't post in debates much, but it was still good to have it, same with advertising.
The purpose of this forum (generally speaking) is development, specifically Zelda Fan-Game development, if you're not here to play those games or develop those games, we really feel you have no purpose here.
This is like a huge "!@#$% you" to a lot of people, me included. This is a great place to post about a lot of things, and yet you're changing that. Trying to force the hand of development won't work.
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Off-topic and Debate are two of my favorite ;_;
You don't have to kill the enjoyability of the community to get people emphasizing developing games, you know.
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To me this will kill the community off. While yes I understand wanting to increase the development of games on this forum, this isn't the best way to go about it :/
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To me this will kill the community off. While yes I understand wanting to increase the development of games on this forum, this isn't the best way to go about it :/
Just for the record; I agree.
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Yeah, I don't see how taking a large degree of enjoyability from the community will encourage fan game development. That'd be like cutting off your feet hoping that your arms will grow longer.
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Its like removing a cancer from your foot that's kept you from running to train for being a track star
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Well I doubt this is all that's happening, I'm sure there are other things coming, it's just in the works.
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Its like removing a cancer from your foot that's kept you from running to train for being a track star
Ummm... no. Posting on Other Discussion isn't nearly as time consuming as making a whole !@#$% Zelda game. If people are so addicted to forums that they just can't do anything else (like develop games) they'll just leave ZFGC and go to another forum.
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I can't speak for everyone, but after OoT 2D died down i stayed for the community, not the game development. Even after that Project X debacle and fusing with DSR, then splitting with DSR, what brought me back was the community, not game development. You're cutting out some of ZFGC's organs. Then to top it all off, you say we're not needed if we don't want to develop something or aren't really interested in a lot of the "fan games" and such here. That's a huge !@#$% slap in the face to a lot of people.
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Its like removing a cancer from your foot that's kept you from running to train for being a track star
Except nobody likes cancer. Most people enjoyed OT and Debate.
This is like surgically removing the bones in your feet, so you can run faster.
This is like a huge "!@#$% you" to a lot of people, me included. This is a great place to post about a lot of things, and yet you're changing that. Trying to force the hand of development won't work.
I agree fully. In fact, if the administrations doesn't reverse this decision, I'm taking my Zelda fangame to a forum with admins who know what the !@#$% they're doing.
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To me this will kill the community off. While yes I understand wanting to increase the development of games on this forum, this isn't the best way to go about it :/
Just for the record; I agree.
Then why not do something about it? Aren't you the one in charge here?
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I agree fully. In fact, if the administrations doesn't reverse this decision, I'm taking my Zelda fangame to a forum with admins who know what the !@#$% they're doing.
I don't mean to start anything up but I don't think that's a very fair comment to make. As much as it enrages people that they're taking down forums people like, they're TRYING to get development to boost. You can't blame them for acting and trying to improve something...
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I agree. Even though I'm interested in development, I don't think everyone else should have to be. You can center a forum around development whilst allowing people to discuss about other things, as well. Those people who don't come here for the games might as well leave now.
Yeah, I guess the admins are trying...but this is a bad, bad move.
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I agree fully. In fact, if the administrations doesn't reverse this decision, I'm taking my Zelda fangame to a forum with admins who know what the !@#$% they're doing.
I'm amazed by admins that think they can solve !@#$% by hurting the community. After DSR died and DSWii took it's place, it started gradually dying, but the final blow really came from shitty management, when bad mods like ValiumMan would lock every thread that went remotely off-topic because they thought that it would help the community... somehow.
Anyway, I don't see how having a forum that people can actually !@#$% enjoy is going to stop the programmers from making games. I personally don't make games, as my game programming skills are limited to the most basic of GML, but I do enjoy having fangames around and sampling them. Even though none of the big fangames are ever completed, I expect it, because it's a big feat to take on as a hobby. What really brings me here is the community, which has a collection of very interesting people and enjoyable discussions, many of which existed on boards that the administration just eliminated.
I do agree with those who say that the removing of non-pro fangame boards is a slap in the face to many of us. It's like saying "make games or GTFO".
I think the admins should realize that the reason why no big projects are ever finished is not that we're having to much fun in the community, but that fangames require a tremendous amount of time, effort, skill, and dedication to a level that most people just do not have. You can't change that by making the forum boring. It's just that a lot of us have the time to dedicate to forum conversations and not the time to fleshing out a whole Zelda game.
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Of all the boards you deleted, could you !@#$% please delete the ZFGC Weekly and Big Question Archive board? I have asked nearly every administrator over the course of a month, some more than once. I even readied the board for deletion for you. Even if you are not going to make the News public, and that is fine if you are not, could you please delete the obsolete?
The development changes are not perfect, but they are alright to some degree. The separation of advertising and recruitment to just recruitment is a good change; one that I favored in the past as well. If people have a good website that they want people to know about, they can link it in their signature or if it is theirs, they can ask for affiliation.
The separation of the WIP section to be both Zelda and Other also seems like a regressive step to me honestly. I understand the distinction of projects and our focus or whatever, but once you make it seem as Zelda games are the only ones that matter, Zelda fan games get boring. I don't know, with some of the other changes it might be appropriate.
As for the Graphics section, something that needs to end there is requesting, or it needs to be clarified as where to request graphics. Should it be either Resource Discussion or the Graphics section itself?
As for the current Community Project that I guess is not official, I have been asking to be made local moderator of that board so I can at least work on salvaging it. Even if you don't like the project, to completely give up on it seems counter-productive; even if it were to fail, putting in a position to where the work done on it could be dispersed easily would help everyone out.
Also, a manner of semantics, move the Community Projects board to be above the Projects board as to signify that they matter more to our focus - not to mention it would look better. And alter the board descriptions of both development boards. If you need help moving non-Zelda games to the Other Development board, I can also help you if you temporarily make me a local moderator of that board as well.
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I think the admins should realize that the reason why no big projects are ever finished is not that we're having to much fun in the community, but that fangames require a tremendous amount of time, effort, skill, and dedication to a level that most people just do not have. You can't change that by making the forum boring. It's just that a lot of us have the time to dedicate to forum conversations and not the time to fleshing out a whole Zelda game.
But the other main issue that I have seen over the years as to why "huge" zelda projects never get finished is the lack of help from the community.
I prunned some more of the WIP section last night and you would not believe how many projects were canceled from some of the more-known members that used to come here simply because no one wanted to help. Some needed spriters, some needed composers. For some reason, ZFGCers with talent just like to hoard it away for themselves(most of the time, not always). Yeah you post some spritesheets for everyone, but a member who is known to be a good programmer requests for someone to help them sprite a game and no one except a couple newbs reply to the request. Then you wonder why for a while it seemed, we were getting projects with nasty mix-matched graphics.
I said that to say this:
This is/was supposed to be a development forum. Yeah we got a great community here, but what's the point of us even keeping the community if we never contribute to the development aspect? Other than a few of us, mostly new users like to post in the WIP(now Zelda projects) section. They may be young and inexperienced, so for some reason we justify calling their projects horrible, lame, laughable, etc. You started somewhere too.
Also, the Other Discussion is gone. Maybe we as members should show that we want it back. Show more efforts in the areas of development, spriting, engines, etc.
I'm pretty sure that Vash would probably bring the boards back if he actaully saw members posting more in those sections.
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I think the admins should realize that the reason why no big projects are ever finished is not that we're having to much fun in the community, but that fangames require a tremendous amount of time, effort, skill, and dedication to a level that most people just do not have. You can't change that by making the forum boring. It's just that a lot of us have the time to dedicate to forum conversations and not the time to fleshing out a whole Zelda game.
But the other main issue that I have seen over the years as to why "huge" zelda projects never get finished is the lack of help from the community.
I prunned some more of the WIP section last night and you would not believe how many projects were canceled from some of the more-known members that used to come here simply because no one wanted to help. Some needed spriters, some needed composers. For some reason, ZFGCers with talent just like to hoard it away for themselves(most of the time, not always). Yeah you post some spritesheets for everyone, but a member who is known to be a good programmer requests for someone to help them sprite a game and no one except a couple newbs reply to the request. Then you wonder why for a while it seemed, we were getting projects with nasty mix-matched graphics.
I said that to say this:
This is/was supposed to be a development forum. Yeah we got a great community here, but what's the point of us even keeping the community if we never contribute to the development aspect? Other than a few of us, mostly new users like to post in the WIP(now Zelda projects) section. They may be young and inexperienced, so for some reason we justify calling their projects horrible, lame, laughable, etc. You started somewhere too.
Also, the Other Discussion is gone. Maybe we as members should show that we want it back. Show more efforts in the areas of development, spriting, engines, etc.
I'm pretty sure that Vash would probably bring the boards back if he actaully saw members posting more in those sections.
We shouldn't have to "prove" that we want them back. This is a forum, not a classroom, we're not here to prove anything. If that's the case, then it would be forcing us to do something to get something back. It just doesn't work.
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FISSURE is right. If you deliberately downgrade the enjoyability of the community, the only thing that's going to happen is that people are going to lose interest in ZFGC, in terms of both community and game development, and go elsewhere.
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To me this will kill the community off. While yes I understand wanting to increase the development of games on this forum, this isn't the best way to go about it :/
Just for the record; I agree.
Then why not do something about it? Aren't you the one in charge here?
Nope, thats Vash.
I wasen't even involved in a discussion about this :S
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Maybe if more members dd get involved with these discussions, there wouldn't be much arguing and crying afterwards. Me, Pyrazor, Vash, and 4Sword seemed to be the only ones discussing the forum remodeling in earlier topics. If you don't like the changes, then join in and discuss how to resolve the big problem: Mass cancelation of fan games
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Dracon:
THIS IS NOT DSR (Just in case you weren't aware).
FISSURE, I don't enjoy the community. I think it's a giant waste of 20 dollars a month. All I see is people with hurt feelings, people yelling at each other, people whining about !@#$%, I don't see anything that the purpose of this forum is for, which is game development.
I think I drew the line when LynkW died. Sure he was annoying, but who isn't at a young age? We all were (aside from maybe Kirby). But the disrespect this community has even in the death of one of our members? The only reason a lot of us are here is to troll and cause problems. I'd rather see this place be productive and healthy than a pile of crap.
I understand how it's like 'cutting out the guts', but perhaps the guts need to be earned back by people who give a !@#$%, not about people who don't do anything to bring the community along. -- Fissure you were a driving force back in the day, what happened to that?
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Dracon:
THIS IS NOT DSR (Just in case you weren't aware).
FISSURE, I don't enjoy the community. I think it's a giant waste of 20 dollars a month. All I see is people with hurt feelings, people yelling at each other, people whining about !@#$%, I don't see anything that the purpose of this forum is for, which is game development.
I think I drew the line when LynkW died. Sure he was annoying, but who isn't at a young age? We all were (aside from maybe Kirby). But the disrespect this community has even in the death of one of our members? The only reason a lot of us are here is to troll and cause problems. I'd rather see this place be productive and healthy than a pile of crap.
I understand how it's like 'cutting out the guts', but perhaps the guts need to be earned back by people who give a !@#$%, not about people who don't do anything to bring the community along. -- Fissure you were a driving force back in the day, what happened to that?
Qft. I too was disgusted at the replies to that topic.
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Can I get a resolution to a concern I keep asking about: can you please delete the ZFGC Weekly and Big Question Archive boards or tell me why you are not willing or able?
Also:
Can the Official ZFGC Projects board be moved about the Projects board, and can the Zelda Development description be changed? Where do you request graphics at? Do you need help moving non-Zelda projects to the Other Development and if so could I be of help? Can I be made a local moderator of the Community Project board (not the new board) so I can work in getting that revived?
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Dracon:
THIS IS NOT DSR (Just in case you weren't aware).
FISSURE, I don't enjoy the community. I think it's a giant waste of 20 dollars a month. All I see is people with hurt feelings, people yelling at each other, people whining about !@#$%, I don't see anything that the purpose of this forum is for, which is game development.
I think I drew the line when LynkW died. Sure he was annoying, but who isn't at a young age? We all were (aside from maybe Kirby). But the disrespect this community has even in the death of one of our members? The only reason a lot of us are here is to troll and cause problems. I'd rather see this place be productive and healthy than a pile of crap.
I understand how it's like 'cutting out the guts', but perhaps the guts need to be earned back by people who give a !@#$%, not about people who don't do anything to bring the community along. -- Fissure you were a driving force back in the day, what happened to that?
Qft. I too was disgusted at the replies to that topic.
As was I. I was horrified by some of the responses I read, !@#$% about suicide being retarded. I'm not getting back into this.
I somewhat agree with what Vash has been saying; why should we have community forums if all people do is act annoying? I can definitely say that I have not been impressed with a lot of peoples' attitudes on these forums, and I tried pinpointing it with young age but that may not be the case. Why should such boards be open to the sight of new members? It's almost embarassing to see such an attitude being shown from the community. The only reason why I wasn't driven away was because I was a member of the past ZFGC and I know there is more to these boards than trolling and rude members.
Whining and insulting the Administrators is not going to do much. Like I said in a previous post, they're actually doing something to try and improve the development atmosphere of this forum. Hey, taking down amusing boards may be a little harsh/rash/silly, but in their opinion, that's what will enforce development to be the main concentration of these boards. You should have all seen this coming; I've been reading that thread Jeod mentioned earlier since it was made, and even tried making some suggestions.
Why can't people just suck it up and try being more active in development? As mentioned before, you don't have to be a programmer or a graphics designer to take part. Making suggestions, playing the games, and critiquing is good enough, isn't it? Actually, for development, generally software engineers have to follow the "customer's always right": the opinions, wants, and needs from the people playing these games in development is crucial to a good finishing product.
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If I needed help, I'd ask. I needed sleep so I went to bed, I just woke up.
I don't know what boards your referencing, which is why I've never deleted them.
No you don't need to be a local moderator at the moment. I figured one of the three or four requests you sent into every administrator was answered by now, but apparently not.
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If I needed help, I'd ask. I needed sleep so I went to bed, I just woke up.
I don't know what boards your referencing, which is why I've never deleted them.
No you don't need to be a local moderator at the moment. I figured one of the three or four requests you sent into every administrator was answered by now, but apparently not.
You don't know what boards I am talking about, nor did anyone else know what I was referring to? You made me a local moderator of the Big Question Archive when I was moving topics out of there to the News. Don't give me that crap saying you did not know what at least that one was. Earnestly, I just think you don't care, nor did anyone else.
http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?board=274.0
http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?board=275.0
They were at the top of the page under ZFGC.com
And no, I was not responded to by any administrator. I was trying to help with something and I was ignored, time and time again because no one gave a !@#$%. I would need to be a local moderator of that board to change things around in it and to manage it, and the team members of the project were all fine with me doing such.
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Dracon:
THIS IS NOT DSR (Just in case you weren't aware).
FISSURE, I don't enjoy the community. I think it's a giant waste of 20 dollars a month. All I see is people with hurt feelings, people yelling at each other, people whining about !@#$%, I don't see anything that the purpose of this forum is for, which is game development.
I think I drew the line when LynkW died. Sure he was annoying, but who isn't at a young age? We all were (aside from maybe Kirby). But the disrespect this community has even in the death of one of our members? The only reason a lot of us are here is to troll and cause problems. I'd rather see this place be productive and healthy than a pile of crap.
I understand how it's like 'cutting out the guts', but perhaps the guts need to be earned back by people who give a !@#$%, not about people who don't do anything to bring the community along. -- Fissure you were a driving force back in the day, what happened to that?
Every forum has people yelling and whining, it's a forum, not the united nations. A driving force back in the day? Aha, all i did was post, just like a lot of people. The driving force back in the day was pretty much OoT 2D. You're basically pushing the forum into sink or swim mode.
Dracon:
THIS IS NOT DSR (Just in case you weren't aware).
FISSURE, I don't enjoy the community. I think it's a giant waste of 20 dollars a month. All I see is people with hurt feelings, people yelling at each other, people whining about !@#$%, I don't see anything that the purpose of this forum is for, which is game development.
I think I drew the line when LynkW died. Sure he was annoying, but who isn't at a young age? We all were (aside from maybe Kirby). But the disrespect this community has even in the death of one of our members? The only reason a lot of us are here is to troll and cause problems. I'd rather see this place be productive and healthy than a pile of crap.
I understand how it's like 'cutting out the guts', but perhaps the guts need to be earned back by people who give a !@#$%, not about people who don't do anything to bring the community along. -- Fissure you were a driving force back in the day, what happened to that?
Qft. I too was disgusted at the replies to that topic.
As was I. I was horrified by some of the responses I read, !@#$% about suicide being retarded. I'm not getting back into this.
I somewhat agree with what Vash has been saying; why should we have community forums if all people do is act annoying? I can definitely say that I have not been impressed with a lot of peoples' attitudes on these forums, and I tried pinpointing it with young age but that may not be the case. Why should such boards be open to the sight of new members? It's almost embarassing to see such an attitude being shown from the community. The only reason why I wasn't driven away was because I was a member of the past ZFGC and I know there is more to these boards than trolling and rude members.
Whining and insulting the Administrators is not going to do much. Like I said in a previous post, they're actually doing something to try and improve the development atmosphere of this forum. Hey, taking down amusing boards may be a little harsh/rash/silly, but in their opinion, that's what will enforce development to be the main concentration of these boards. You should have all seen this coming; I've been reading that thread Jeod mentioned earlier since it was made, and even tried making some suggestions.
Why can't people just suck it up and try being more active in development? As mentioned before, you don't have to be a programmer or a graphics designer to take part. Making suggestions, playing the games, and critiquing is good enough, isn't it? Actually, for development, generally software engineers have to follow the "customer's always right": the opinions, wants, and needs from the people playing these games in development is crucial to a good finishing product.
Because even if any of the games were actually completed, it would take a awhile if they were good. It seems a lot of the game makers don't really have that much time to put into making a complete game. Never the less one that is actually good, depending on the type of game and such.
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If I needed help, I'd ask. I needed sleep so I went to bed, I just woke up.
I don't know what boards your referencing, which is why I've never deleted them.
No you don't need to be a local moderator at the moment. I figured one of the three or four requests you sent into every administrator was answered by now, but apparently not.
You don't know what boards I am talking about, nor did anyone else know what I was referring to? You made me a local moderator of the Big Question Archive when I was moving topics out of there to the News. Don't give me that crap saying you did not know what at least that one was. Earnestly, I just think you don't care, nor did anyone else.
http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?board=274.0
http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?board=275.0
They were at the top of the page under ZFGC.com
And no, I was not responded to by any administrator. I was trying to help with something and I was ignored, time and time again because no one gave a !@#$%. I would need to be a local moderator of that board to change things around in it and to manage it, and the team members of the project were all fine with me doing such.
Fixed. I truly wasn't paying attention to which boards actually needed deleted
I popped my head on the community project board too for a moment. I wasn't aware that all of those people had mod access. (Which I really didn't want..) but I added yours anyway. I'll need to rope you in on some things we discussed in the past regarding Community Projects. Ideally they're to be housed under "ZFGC Official Projects". I don't want the community to be limited to one community project. Essentially they'll be 'endorsed' ZFGC projects.
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The funny part is, I've left the community part of the forum untouched.. All I did was remove Other Discussion, and put Tech Talk in public view.. Debates could probably still be had in Community Speak as long as they're remotely civil.. I'm just minimizing boards, that's the thing I don't get.
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Dracon:
THIS IS NOT DSR (Just in case you weren't aware).
Its gonna end up being the next DSR though...
FISSURE, I don't enjoy the community. I think it's a giant waste of 20 dollars a month. All I see is people with hurt feelings, people yelling at each other, people whining about !@#$%, I don't see anything that the purpose of this forum is for, which is game development.
Yet a lot of people do enjoy the community. this wont push people to develop games, this will just make people leave.
I think I drew the line when LynkW died. Sure he was annoying, but who isn't at a young age? We all were (aside from maybe Kirby). But the disrespect this community has even in the death of one of our members? The only reason a lot of us are here is to troll and cause problems. I'd rather see this place be productive and healthy than a pile of crap.
Was it ever official that he did kill himself? And even then, there wasn't any attacks against him, I know on my part there weren't anyway.
I understand how it's like 'cutting out the guts', but perhaps the guts need to be earned back by people who give a !@#$%, not about people who don't do anything to bring the community along. -- Fissure you were a driving force back in the day, what happened to that?
As for earning this all back? Why? People aren't going to post there games just to earn the right to have a debate or to post in other discussion...
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Because even if any of the games were actually completed, it would take a awhile if they were good. It seems a lot of the game makers don't really have that much time to put into making a complete game. Never the less one that is actually good, depending on the type of game and such.
I think you completely missed my point, and I mean this in the nicest way possible. A game does not need to be complete for people to play it and critique on how it could be better. For example, I'd been helping Ahmio's OoT2D project on here and it has been getting better. It's not even near completion, but the guy's getting help from peers.
It's understandable that people don't exactly have the time to complete a game, but the point of a development forum is to help. It's all about the experience of making a game, and the help along the way. If a game actually gets completed, then awesome! The game creator needs people to test their games, even if they're not completed.
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The Big Question Archive didn't get deleted right, it is under the Announcements board now, but thanks for making the fix.
And also, I know that the community projects will be subject to new guidelines. I had wanted to get to work early so that these guidelines could have been met prior to all of this, so that there would be a sort of example for people to copy, but oh well. As for the community projects being limited, just because I had a different opinion about this previously, it doesn't mean that I can't try it your way.
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Because even if any of the games were actually completed, it would take a awhile if they were good. It seems a lot of the game makers don't really have that much time to put into making a complete game. Never the less one that is actually good, depending on the type of game and such.
I think you completely missed my point, and I mean this in the nicest way possible. A game does not need to be complete for people to play it and critique on how it could be better. For example, I'd been helping Ahmio's OoT2D project on here and it has been getting better. It's not even near completion, but the guy's getting help from peers.
It's understandable that people don't exactly have the time to complete a game, but the point of a development forum is to help. It's all about the experience of making a game, and the help along the way. If a game actually gets completed, then awesome! The game creator needs people to test their games, even if they're not completed.
Good point.
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I think she said that best. I tried saying it earlier.
Fixing that board issue now 4Sword, I think I hit the wrong button (duh?).
Anyway, there will still be changes, like I said, lots of tweaking to be done... input is welcome, screaming isn't.
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Dracon:
THIS IS NOT DSR (Just in case you weren't aware).
Its gonna end up being the next DSR though...
If by that you mean ZFGC could die DSR's death, then yes.
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Look, all Vash is trying to do is get rid of the spam in the community boards and lower the game cancellation rate in the WIP boards. He isn't really saying get off your lazy asses and make games, he's saying to help those who are. How much time does it really take to download a game demo, play it, note some issues, then post about it? Ten minutes tops. Seriously, it's impossible to make a complete game in 10 minutes, but surely there's enough of your precious time left to at least help others who request some assistance.
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It's not like giving candy to 8 year olds that do their homework. We had a good thing going in the forums, and people were enjoying it. It wasn't really stopping the fangames from being made. Why take away something we all liked?
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It's not like giving candy to 8 year olds that do their homework. We had a good thing going in the forums, and people were enjoying it. It wasn't really stopping the fangames from being made. Why take away something we all liked?
Because everyone was too busy wrestling with eachother in the community forums to notice a request for help. Nobody helps and reviews the game, it doesn't get better, then dies.
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Just an FYI On LynkW
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44994832958
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http://www.zfgc.com/chat/
There's your Off Topic board. GO GO OG
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It's not like giving candy to 8 year olds that do their homework. We had a good thing going in the forums, and people were enjoying it. It wasn't really stopping the fangames from being made. Why take away something we all liked?
Because everyone was too busy wrestling with eachother in the community forums to notice a request for help. Nobody helps and reviews the game, it doesn't get better, then dies.
Or because the majority of the forum is no longer interested in it?
Look, all Vash is trying to do is get rid of the spam in the community boards and lower the game cancellation rate in the WIP boards. He isn't really saying get off your lazy asses and make games, he's saying to help those who are. How much time does it really take to download a game demo, play it, note some issues, then post about it? Ten minutes tops. Seriously, it's impossible to make a complete game in 10 minutes, but surely there's enough of your precious time left to at least help others who request some assistance.
No that IS Vashs intentions yes, but you cant remove nearly half of what makes this community and expect us to whole heartedly carry on happily...
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Bert, if you really think that the community was a place everyone enjoyed, then...
Vash, might I make a suggestion? Since everyone seems angered over this, what would you and the others say about reinstating some of the missed forums for a few days? If they can show the admins and mods that they can 'enjoy' the forum without every topic becoming an argument or flame war or trolling, then perhaps the forums can be kept.
Just a suggestion...
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I don't know what forums they're missing. :p Tech-Talk is still there.. the only other one gone is Forum-Games, which was a lively waste of space really.
Other Discussion? Things that aren't boarderline spam could be posted in Community Speak..
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I agree with Vash. He kept Community Speak open.
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Bert, if you really think that the community was a place everyone enjoyed, then...
Vash, might I make a suggestion? Since everyone seems angered over this, what would you and the others say about reinstating some of the missed forums for a few days? If they can show the admins and mods that they can 'enjoy' the forum without every topic becoming an argument or flame war or trolling, then perhaps the forums can be kept.
Just a suggestion...
Or y'know you could ask the community what they enjoyed; how it was before. Or this.
A lot of people ill no longer have a place here because they are not (or no longer) interested in Game Design...why punish these people for staying?
I don't know what forums they're missing. :p Tech-Talk is still there.. the only other one gone is Forum-Games, which was a lively waste of space really.
Other Discussion? Things that aren't boarderline spam could be posted in Community Speak..
The rules for Community Speak Dictate otherwise though.
With other discussion it kept they things relating to the community away from the things that didn't...
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We just had two topics in feedback, one by Pyra and one by Jeod.. where a lot of this stuff was discussed.
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Changes are nice, imo. However, there are too many resources boards, and it's kinda of cluttering up the place. You have Audio Resource forum, a Graphics Resource forum, and then a Resource Forum for all resources...
To solve some issues here, maybe you could change "Community Speak" into a "General Discussion" board?
Edit - Also, maybe move the recruitment board to the Projects category? Though I guess people can be resources too, huh? :P
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Changes are nice, imo. However, there are too many resources boards, and it's kinda of cluttering up the place. You have Audio Resource forum, a Graphics Resource forum, and then a Resource Forum for all resources...
To solve some issues here, maybe you could change "Community Speak" into a "General Discussion" board?
Good point. Either get rid of the all resources forum or get rid of graphics and music. We don't need both. If you combine graphics and music then we can get rid of some clutter and also get rid of the all resources forum. That leaves...
Templates and Tutorials
Audio and Graphics
Development Discussion
Recruitment
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We just had two topics in feedback, one by Pyra and one by Jeod.. where a lot of this stuff was discussed.
Theres been a lot of discussions about the future of this place, but practically telling those that don't contribute to the development side of things its like stabbing knives into the heart of this place.
Also I reiterate;
A lot of people ill no longer have a place here because they are not (or no longer) interested in Game Design...why punish these people for staying?
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Dracon:
THIS IS NOT DSR (Just in case you weren't aware).
FISSURE, I don't enjoy the community. I think it's a giant waste of 20 dollars a month. All I see is people with hurt feelings, people yelling at each other, people whining about !@#$%, I don't see anything that the purpose of this forum is for, which is game development.
I think I drew the line when LynkW died. Sure he was annoying, but who isn't at a young age? We all were (aside from maybe Kirby). But the disrespect this community has even in the death of one of our members? The only reason a lot of us are here is to troll and cause problems. I'd rather see this place be productive and healthy than a pile of crap.
I understand how it's like 'cutting out the guts', but perhaps the guts need to be earned back by people who give a !@#$%, not about people who don't do anything to bring the community along. -- Fissure you were a driving force back in the day, what happened to that?
*thumbs up*
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We just had two topics in feedback, one by Pyra and one by Jeod.. where a lot of this stuff was discussed.
Theres been a lot of discussions about the future of this place, but practically telling those that don't contribute to the development side of things its like stabbing knives into the heart of this place.
Also I reiterate;
A lot of people ill no longer have a place here because they are not (or no longer) interested in Game Design...why punish these people for staying?
But those people discourage new people from joining to progress actual game development.... The people who are here who don't want to develop could spend time giving people input on their game (in a non-negative productive way) but they don't for thee most part.
So you're essentially asking me why am I punishing people who aren't here for the purpose and existence of the forum? Think about that question a bit. :\
I'm definitely not here to develop games (I'd like to, I'd love to, perhaps sometime when I'm not so busy with work I will!) But I'm interested in seeing what other people have to make, the ideas they're producing...
I'm not trying to undermine the community, just remind you why you should be part of it.
Going in, I know people wont like it, I know people will leave, but if we finally want to progress and get !@#$% moving again, what other options do we have? We can just sit and discuss it for the next two years, like we've done for the last two years and get nothing done. No matter what we do someone will be pissed off, someone wont like it.. They'll either adapt or leave, that's how things go. I don't mean that to be crude, but regardless of how we did this, people would be pissed and say they're leaving.
Btw, I made several board changes, further input and no one has told me still what the whole uproar is over? Is it the lack of Other Discussion?
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We just had two topics in feedback, one by Pyra and one by Jeod.. where a lot of this stuff was discussed.
Theres been a lot of discussions about the future of this place, but practically telling those that don't contribute to the development side of things its like stabbing knives into the heart of this place.
Also I reiterate;
A lot of people ill no longer have a place here because they are not (or no longer) interested in Game Design...why punish these people for staying?
But those people discourage new people from joining to progress actual game development.... The people who are here who don't want to develop could spend time giving people input on their game (in a non-negative productive way) but they don't for thee most part.
So you're essentially asking me why am I punishing people who aren't here for the purpose and existence of the forum? Think about that question a bit. :\
I'm definitely not here to develop games (I'd like to, I'd love to, perhaps sometime when I'm not so busy with work I will!) But I'm interested in seeing what other people have to make, the ideas they're producing...
I'm not trying to undermine the community, just remind you why you should be part of it.
Going in, I know people wont like it, I know people will leave, but if we finally want to progress and get !@#$% moving again, what other options do we have? We can just sit and discuss it for the next two years, like we've done for the last two years and get nothing done. No matter what we do someone will be pissed off, someone wont like it.. They'll either adapt or leave, that's how things go. I don't mean that to be crude, but regardless of how we did this, people would be pissed and say they're leaving.
Btw, I made several board changes, further input and no one has told me still what the whole uproar is over? Is it the lack of Other Discussion?
How do they discourage it? King Mobs game was doing just fine... Just because some people are not interested in Game Development does not mean they don't have a right here.
As for you're last question. I have a problem with it because you are basically telling me to !@#$% off...
Also as for lack of Team Work. Look at the Community Project. What in the history of ZFGC makes you think we're capable of working in a team?
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Whoa... alright then later all.
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I was actually being serious, no one has directly said, is the issue the removal of other discussion?
King Mob's game has fame outside of ZFGC though, it can sustain itself no matter where it is. ZFGC can't bring in new members when we scare the !@#$% out of them. New members probably are joining because they want to know about game development, or they saw a game they're interested in, or they want to try to get help on something, all we always end up doing is shutting the door in their face.
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Also as for lack of Team Work. Look at the Community Project. What in the history of ZFGC makes you think we're capable of working in a team?
So then I should just give up on trying to see this forum be productive because people have had issues working as a team in the past?
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Whoa... alright then later all.
Someone's taken the initiative.
I was actually being serious, no one has directly said, is the issue the removal of other discussion?
King Mob's game has fame outside of ZFGC though, it can sustain itself no matter where it is. ZFGC can't bring in new members when we scare the !@#$% out of them. New members probably are joining because they want to know about game development, or they saw a game they're interested in, or they want to try to get help on something, all we always end up doing is shutting the door in their face.
And there are resources for them to do so. And we are shutting the door into their face by being a community?
And as I said in my previous post, the problem is, you are telling members to !@#$% off. Telling me to !@#$% off as well, something we're obviously not going to be happy about.
Also as for lack of Team Work. Look at the Community Project. What in the history of ZFGC makes you think we're capable of working in a team?
So then I should just give up on trying to see this forum be productive because people have had issues working as a team in the past?
You could just not destroy half of what this community is...Yes its good to help the productivity of this forum, but destroying the community is not a good think...
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What can be done to appease this then?
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Btw, I made several board changes, further input and no one has told me still what the whole uproar is over? Is it the lack of Other Discussion?
As for you're last question. I have a problem with it because you are basically telling me to !@#$% off...
Answers like this are immature and do not help the situation.
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Btw, I made several board changes, further input and no one has told me still what the whole uproar is over? Is it the lack of Other Discussion?
As for you're last question. I have a problem with it because you are basically telling me to !@#$% off...
Answers like this are immature and do not help the situation.
No one needs to defend me, nor does this need to be a pissing match. Lets try to keep things on topic and focused.. this isn't a place to comment on other peoples opinions unless you're adding to it productively.
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What can be done to appease this then?
What was the problem prior to this? If its not enough resources then ... didn't we used to have a huge database of resources for the community? I remember when I tried to develop games (!@#$% eh) I'd go to a certain place and find endless resources to help me. That interested me further. Could have the same effect on others.
Btw, I made several board changes, further input and no one has told me still what the whole uproar is over? Is it the lack of Other Discussion?
As for you're last question. I have a problem with it because you are basically telling me to !@#$% off...
Answers like this are immature and do not help the situation.
Immature? Its the truth. So put up with it.
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I mean to appease the damage I've done to the community.
I feel like you have no real answer for me. You haven't answered my questions you just took them as me telling you to '!@#$% off' without actually giving me an answer as to what the actual issue is.
I've removed Other Discussion // Forum Games and Advertisements. If that's the heart of the community we have a major problem.
If you can answer me and tell me -that- is what the issue is and why they should be there, sure, I'll be happy to make considerations on how to put it all back together and make it work.
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Personally, I think that the project and non-community boards would look good like this:
Staff
- Staff Lounge
- Management
- Moderation
- Site Staff
- Chat Staff
- Site Feeds
- Staff Profiles
- Project of the Month
ZFGC.com
- Announcements
- News/Updates
- Feedback
Official
- Community Projects
- Contests & Events
Projects
- Completed
- Scrapped
- Zelda WIP
- Misc. WIP
- Ideas
Resources
- Recruitment
- Discussion
- Requests
- Graphics
- Coding
- Audio
Of course this would present concerns with getting the site to be reflective of that maybe.
Anyway, a thing with changes is people think that big changes are the best answer in that they will do more right away, rather than thinking that small changes over time in a progressive direction will do more in the long run.
F' all this, I'm going to throw a shoe.
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No one needs to defend me, nor does this need to be a pissing match. Lets try to keep things on topic and focused.. this isn't a place to comment on other peoples opinions unless you're adding to it productively.
I didn't think my reply was anything what you stated above, but alright. I won't do it again, my apologies to you and bertfallen.
Instead, I'll ask, Vash, if you've seen my suggestions on the last page? About just making Community Speak a board for all General (off topic) Discussion. It doesn't have to be divided with child boards or anything like that.
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I just didn't want to see a pissing match (not that we don't have one going already) get started or get worse. Sorry about that.
Also, I've renamed "Community" "General / Other Discussion" seemed more fitting. Wally pointed it out a bit ago in the chat, that Tech Talk really doesn't fit under "Community".
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I mean to appease the damage I've done to the community.
I feel like you have no real answer for me. You haven't answered my questions you just took them as me telling you to '!@#$% off' without actually giving me an answer as to what the actual issue is.
I've removed Other Discussion // Forum Games and Advertisements. If that's the heart of the community we have a major problem.
If you can answer me and tell me -that- is what the issue is and why they should be there, sure, I'll be happy to make considerations on how to put it all back together and make it work.
Vash, That IS the issue. Telling me to "!@#$% off" is obviously not going to be taken lightly.
And its not the heart of the community, its part of it, as is game development. This forum had a good community.
This place hasn't been the same since the switch to DSR. God I miss that ZFGC.
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Cool changes bro.
Maybe this'll get things rollan.
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ZFGC was at it's lowest point, before the GA switch.. Kirby and I brought it back which wasn't a popularly done thing amongst the oldbie admins.
Though the GA switch was perhaps one of the biggest most selfish mistakes we could have made. An attempt to horde users and force them into an entirely different atmosphere.
You've still not answered my question. I'll just assume you're not going to.
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You've still not answered my question. I'll just assume you're not going to.
Which question is that?
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"How do I appease the damage I've done to the community" -- What is the resolve, how do I fix it? What is lacking?
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"How do I appease the damage I've done to the community" -- What is the resolve, how do I fix it? What is lacking?
put the off topic boards back. That's the only damage I've seen done to the community- though I understand it was to make the fan gaming boards more used. But why would anyone who posted in the off-topic boards exclusively just randomly start posting in fan games? It seems like you just want to push them away- even if they've been here for years. I've been feeling that attitude for a while now, and it needs to stop.
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^ http://www.zfgc.com/chat
Wanna talk about nothing? Come here. Wanna do something meaningful on the forums? Use the appropriated board.
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Definitely agree with wally, also you people realize Vash intends CS to be used in the manner of the old CS and a less spammy OT?
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This is seriously getting annoying. It isn't a big "!@#$% you" to the members who apparently devoted themselves to boards like, "Other Discussion". It's more of a "let's try and help those who are fangaming but giving them some input". Also, as wally keeps saying, there's a CHAT ROOM. ALSO there's Community Speak.
Seriously, why does there have to be such a huge shitfit?
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I don't see what Off-Topic did for the community, or how topics that aren't pure spam couldn't just be posted in Community Speak? You're only loss is Advertisements and Forum Games, that's really what I'm getting at.
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Next time, I think it is wise to not have community input.
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but seriously this place is 95% fangaming and maybe 5% general discussion- and most of the posts are in general discussion, and you want to get rid of more of those areas? That's totally helping the community.
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^ http://www.zfgc.com/chat
Wanna talk about nothing? Come here. Wanna do something meaningful on the forums? Use the appropriated board.
No why should I start learning to use IRC when I was quite happy with the way things were before.
Vash, Min answered the question for me.
This is seriously getting annoying. It isn't a big "!@#$% you" to the members who apparently devoted themselves to boards like, "Other Discussion".
Re-read his first post. He apparantly doesn't want the community to be around...
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but seriously this place is 25% fangaming and maybe 75% general discussion- and most of the posts are in general discussion, and you want to get rid of more of those areas? That's totally helping the community.
Fixed. Seriously. There are about 3 active projects currently, and about a hundred active discussions.
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No why should I start learning to use IRC when I was quite happy with the way things were before.
Yeah because using IRC takes skill, talent, and years of learning.
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^ http://www.zfgc.com/chat
Wanna talk about nothing? Come here. Wanna do something meaningful on the forums? Use the appropriated board.
No why should I start learning to use IRC when I was quite happy with the way things were before.
Vash, Min answered the question for me.
This is seriously getting annoying. It isn't a big "!@#$% you" to the members who apparently devoted themselves to boards like, "Other Discussion".
Re-read his first post. He apparantly doesn't want the community to be around...
I did. And I re-read several of his posts. It's not my fault you can't comprehend that COMMUNITY SPEAK is still up and he just wants us to help out more with fangaming and suggesting ideas.
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How to use IRC:
Step 1: Enter Text into Line
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Press enter and profit
If you really wanna be an advanced user
Change your nick:
/nick Newnicknamegoeshere/me text goes here *
Ctrl + K Pick a color then type text for colored text
Ctrl + B Bold
Tough stuff.
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This is seriously getting annoying. It isn't a big "!@#$% you" to the members who apparently devoted themselves to boards like, "Other Discussion". It's more of a "let's try and help those who are fangaming but giving them some input". Also, as wally keeps saying, there's a CHAT ROOM. ALSO there's Community Speak.
Seriously, why does there have to be such a huge shitfit?
Read the first post, Vash said if you're not here to play those games or develop those games, we really feel you have no purpose here.
That's the "!@#$% you" part.
Point is, there really was no reason to remove Off Topic. Community Speak was usually used for more important type topics, Off topic was usually used for less important things and topics that didn't fit anywhere else. If i didn't download Demo's and look at WIP games before, i'm certainly not gonna do it because Off topic was taken out. It won't change anything.
Also, a chatroom is basically for random !@#$%, not "Off topic" posting, stop trying to make the chatroom for active nutmeg XD
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No why should I start learning to use IRC when I was quite happy with the way things were before.
Yeah because using IRC takes skill, talent, and years of learning.
Or you know, Interest. I have no interest in IRC what so ever.
^ http://www.zfgc.com/chat
Wanna talk about nothing? Come here. Wanna do something meaningful on the forums? Use the appropriated board.
No why should I start learning to use IRC when I was quite happy with the way things were before.
Vash, Min answered the question for me.
This is seriously getting annoying. It isn't a big "!@#$% you" to the members who apparently devoted themselves to boards like, "Other Discussion".
Re-read his first post. He apparantly doesn't want the community to be around...
I did. And I re-read several of his posts. It's not my fault you can't comprehend that COMMUNITY SPEAK is still up and he just wants us to help out more with fangaming and suggesting ideas.
What I cant comprehend is why he's so willing to destroy the community.
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but seriously this place is 25% fangaming and maybe 75% general discussion- and most of the posts are in general discussion, and you want to get rid of more of those areas? That's totally helping the community.
Fixed. Seriously. There are about 3 active projects currently, and about a hundred active discussions.
Try four. Or five.
But yeah, mostly inane conversation. I'm involved in one of those five projects (<__<) but more involved in natter than work.
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The community boards seem to still be functioning to me. Ken isn't here by the way, Bunny is Kesha.
I don't see why we need the Other Discussion board.
Thanks for pointing out what I said there FISSURE, it was a bit of a !@#$%-off, but it was a bit more angled towards people who don't bring anything to the forum.
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but seriously this place is 25% fangaming and maybe 75% general discussion- and most of the posts are in general discussion, and you want to get rid of more of those areas? That's totally helping the community.
Fixed. Seriously. There are about 3 active projects currently, and about a hundred active discussions.
I was pointing out the layout, forums, etc. Have you even looked at ZFGC? There's always been tons of fangaming forums and very little community ones. And with the site, there's even more dedication to fan games. Why do you guys hate the community sections so much?
Thanks for pointing out what I said there FISSURE, it was a bit of a !@#$%-off, but it was a bit more angled towards people who don't bring anything to the forum.
exactly what I'm talking about in the attitude towards nonfangaming community members.
Come on, is that really how you should be looking at your community?
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The community boards seem to still be functioning to me. Ken isn't here by the way, Bunny is Kesha.
I get confused to easily with the members here >_<
I don't see why we need the Other Discussion board.
Because, it'd keep community related topics separate to non community related topics. Sure it may not sound like much but it keeps things neater, which seems to be one of your goals. Correct?
Thanks for pointing out what I said there FISSURE, it was a bit of a !@#$%-off, but it was a bit more angled towards people who don't bring anything to the forum.
I'm beginning to feel I misinterpreted what you originally meant by it.
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What I cant comprehend is why he's so willing to destroy the community.
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3641/codekermitnl0.gif)
This is all I'm seeing from everyone complaining. Its not a big change.
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What I cant comprehend is why he's so willing to destroy the community.
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3641/codekermitnl0.gif)
This is all I'm seeing from everyone complaining. Its not a big change.
Yes it is, Its shutting the door on a vast amount of this community...
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It really isn't that big of a change.
I took the past two day's topics from OD and dropped them into CS. Most of them could have easily fit into CS, by definition.
Debates has been stagnate since the 12th, the last post before that was 11-30.. that board is dead.
Forum Games is just complete idiocy.. I suppose it could be added back if there was enough demand for it.
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Right, taking away a redundant board is killing the community. I'm stopping the argument here, no more trolling in the chat or in this topic or else people are gonna start getting suspensions. If you have issue submit a feedback ticket.
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It really isn't that big of a change.
Yes it is, Its shutting the door on a vast amount of this community...
I took the past two day's topics from OD and dropped them into CS. Most of them could have easily fit into CS, by definition.
Debates has been stagnate since the 12th, the last post before that was 11-30.. that board is dead.
Forum Games is just complete idiocy.. I suppose it could be added back if there was enough demand for it.
Forum Games was pretty much just spam. Never liked the idea of it.
Debatable subjects, admittedly don't come up that often, but it was a fun part of the community. I have a few ideas for debatable subjects...
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Post them in CS as long as they stay civil.. slap [Debate] In front of it.
We had FAR too many boards for stuff that didn't happen to often..
OD had a lot of spam, but it also had a lot of topics that had content, most of those topics could be stretched to CS.
Fissure was trolling in the chat earlier and mentioned something along the lines of "How cold is it in your area" <-- While it's definitely OFF topic, it's also community based, since we put LIFE experiences and stories in CS. Not only is it personal but it engages the community too.. so how is it not community discussion?
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Post them in CS as long as they stay civil.. slap [Debate] In front of it.
We had FAR too many boards for stuff that didn't happen to often..
OD had a lot of spam, but it also had a lot of topics that had content, most of those topics could be stretched to CS.
Fissure was trolling in the chat earlier and mentioned something along the lines of "How cold is it in your area" <-- While it's definitely OFF topic, it's also community based, since we put LIFE experiences and stories in CS. Not only is it personal but it engages the community too.. so how is it not community discussion?
Trolling, nah vashy, i was following what nutmeg said to do ;), But this isn't really the place to discuss that.
Also, coolness about moving some of the OT stuff into CS.
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They're alright. No real harm done at all.
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You each have a talent you can apply to the development of a game. Even ideas you have; post them if you have them.
I like how people are complaining about OMG the communities changing, we're not into development were not wanted here, when clearly this quoted section says otherwise. If they can't submit even that well...............
Thanks for pointing out what I said there FISSURE, it was a bit of a !@#$%-off, but it was a bit more angled towards people who don't bring anything to the forum.
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Changing CS into more of a "General discussion" was already pitched, and I see that happening. CS and OD were the same thing. One just came across as more of a pointless posts board. People saying this is the death of ZFGC need to leave immediately. Removing a board that was full of troll topics, and serious topics that were trolled is not a bad thing. As for any other changes, you might wanna give it a few before you start saying they're a failure.
As walnut stated, #ZFGC (our chatroom) is always a fun place to interact with other ZFGCers in a different environment. Rules are there, but you wont get topics deleted for saying /me farts!
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I am sorely tempted to leave. Just when I was getting used to everything... As an aside, what gives with the typing-box text being so bloated?
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I don't see why anyone should leave unless both CS and/or Gaming and Entertainment are gone. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that. I don't know.
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You're not the only one. It's childish to leave a forum just because for the time being you cant post in Other Discussion. There are still plenty of other forums to post in! Ive also noted a surge in user-submitted content already, between sprites, and music...
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You're not the only one. It's childish to leave a forum just because for the time being you cant post in Other Discussion. There are still plenty of other forums to post in! Ive also noted a surge in user-submitted content already, between sprites, and music...
The first part of your post was fine, but the second part is a fallacy - correlation does not imply causation.
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Btw I accidentally deleted a significant portion of the development discussion board when trying to merge it with resource discussions. The first four or five pages transferred over fine though.
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The first part of your post was fine, but the second part is a fallacy - correlation does not imply causation.
This is the first time in months that I have checked Audio and graphics forums, and within 10 minutes there were new replies or topics. I'm just saying, less trafficked forums are getting a bit more. It's not like millions of resources were submitted.
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Not a place to fight children.
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Yeah, and there have been replies and new topics created there when you were not in there. You're making a stretch, it remains to be seen if the traffic will improve over time and be sustainable.
Not a place to fight children.
Please don't talk down to me or anyone like that. And I am not fighting, just making a point that stands to logic. Inferences cannot be made from day one. I would hope that an increase in traffic would be the outcome, I just don't like it when people make bold predictions over things that cannot be known so initially.
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Neither of you should be acting like kids. :p He was sharing an observation he felt he saw, it was nothing agreeable or disagreeable.. It really didn't even need a reply aside from "Oh, really?"
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I think this forum really needs to find its purpose for existence again. Its not supposed to be a general discussion/anything goes forum.
I understand that this is a change for those who didn't contribute to the main point of this forum's existence, but if these complaints are truly about the health of the "community", why aren't you not only NOT going out there and contributing to the purpose of this "community", but instead trying to pry it away from its purpose? Does that make sense?
Daniel/TRM started this board back in the day to discuss and work on zelda fan games. It has come to the point where it is 80%+ off topic and only about 10% Game development -- the remainder is various things in there that fall under both. Off topic is actually healthy for a community when the concentration is too high the other way, but it should never be the focus for a forum that is not intended to be an off topic/general discussion forum.
Nobody is going to hold you guys to one forum. Believe me, a seperate forum, completely unrelated from ZFGC, dedicated to off topic discussion, and ran by someone else, will be much more successful and FUN than one here that is going to kill an otherwise talented fan game forum. If you want to be immature and take that as "don't like it? GTFO", then, well, whatever, it is your loss, not mine. Blunt, but honest. If you don't like the fact that this forum is going to focus on its main point for being here, then perhaps that is for the best. I'm not saying the people involved thereof aren't good people or otherwise, and i would consider a few friends, but I see a very parasitic two way split in direction here that currently can't coexist without both killing each other.
Forums in general should be primarily about their niche in whatever they're in. If they aren't, then they will never grow or become anything in their niche. Such forums don't normally last very long.
This post isn't pointed at anyone in particular. There's no point in attacking anyone in particular here.
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I meant that I had just gotten used to everything being the way it was and then it changed again. I'll ask my question a second time, because I didn't get an answer: what gives with the typing-box text being so bloated? Everything's gone all wonky. I had to refresh the site twice just to get the controls to appear.
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Try using firefox. I don't have any issues here.
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Post a screen shot in Feedback, and try to get some support there.
I think this topic has served it's purpose, any further discussion can be done so in Feedback in a new topic.
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Another topic locked before I get input again...? Damn it.
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Some key points (Sorry but I'm not going to read through 9 pages of the same stuff... I went through 5 pages, that's enough <_<;;)
Regarding non-developer users
The idea is to get them involved in the game development community, instead of simply being here to chit chat. #ZFGC is good for chit chatting. Most typically users won't join a forum without intending to involve themselves with what the forum is designed for. For example, I wouldn't join the Marijuana Smokers Online Community, because I don't smoke it.
We want to draw in users interested in development, and deter general discussion based users. That being said, we're urging the users we do have who joined only for general discussion to apply themselves to the game development community. Everybody has a talent they can apply; anywhere from linguistics, to art, to even voice work. Somebody has some talent to offer.
Regarding Extra Boards
Other Discussion was here for one reason, and that's to serve as a "spam-lite" when the Spam board was removed for the millionth time. That being said, it was also a generalized board for anything that doesn't belong anywhere else. That's pointless when the stuff that didn't belong anywhere else had subboards in it. Why have a main board for other discussion when everything else you could possibly ask has a board already?
Community Speak was always the general discussion board. There's no need for an extra one.
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