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Drawn pornography - a restriction? O_o?
« on: September 10, 2006, 06:17:05 pm »
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Delko's post got me wondering.
Quote from: Delko on September 10, 2006, 04:23:23 pm
If you're talking about REAL child porn its illegal, but drawn stuff is only illegal in the US(as far as I know)

It is possible to restrict drawn pornography and treat it in a different way than other drawn pr0n?  I mean, child-pornography is illegal because it's not legal to have intercourse with children (let alone that they are being raped). But since no person comes to harm when you draw things that would be illegal if they'd really happen... that is illegal too? (Of course if you don't take a real happening as a reference.)

I'm not questioning the sickness of it, I'm just wondering... drawn things can be illegal? O_o? I mean, in Germany it's illegal to draw swastikas (even with a pencil on a sheet of paper). So it's probably possible. Still odd.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2006, 06:32:21 pm »
Yeah, in most of mainland Europe it is illegal to draw or own any swastika of any description (even though the symbol predates the Nazis by millenia). It's also illegal to flip people off!

t(o.o)t << So my friend Kirby here is banned. Yay.

Personally, I think kiddie porn of any description is wrong. Promotes paedophilia. I'm all for it being banned. ^_^
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2006, 06:37:28 pm »
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Hmmm, well I guess drawing it wont be that big of a problem I think....I mean, maybe that would be some kind of outlet for pedos :D

Or it could have the opposite effect.
Im moving this to debates.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2006, 06:40:36 pm »
I'm pretty sure its legal, afterall, no consent  is required, and I don't think art should be censored.  I'm fine with people thinkin' kids are hot too, as long as they dont' act upon it, people can't help what sexually arouses them.

There are adult-mangas based on anime series with kids in them, aren't there?  Thats legal, isn't it?
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2006, 06:50:04 pm »
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Controversy_.26_legal_issues

Actually, it seems like this is illegal in most of the world... well, with a few exceptions.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2006, 07:18:02 pm »
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I didn't thought that. Wow.
I also see Pyru's point: Promotion. That sounds like a good reason. Yet, Limey is also right when saying that there're mangas etc starring little kids who have intercourse with adults (I saw that before, in a friend's Yaoi-manga, the "actors" are about 16 or 17 there).
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2006, 07:26:04 pm »
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@limey: Recent studies show that most of those with an attraction to minors suffer from a kind of compulsive disorder. Mammals are preprogrammed (instincts from the primal brain) to be attracted to to another of its same species (though not necessarily the same sex) at child baring age.

I can't say I agree with you saying "I don't mind paedophiles as long as they don't act on their feelings" those people need mental help whether they act on those feeling or not.

As for drawings of child pornography, often called 'Lolicon' it is indeed illegal in most countries as it still depicts sexual abuse to a minor.

The comment "Art should not be censored" that too is somewhat dubious because a large amount of child porn websites are guised in a thin veil of art. Websites such as these are not artist, they are an excuse for dirty, over weight old men to masturbate about young children
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2006, 07:45:42 pm »
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Hum, hard decision. Its a matter of weighing up freedom of speech .vs. censorship and child protection, seeing as no children are actual harmed I can't see why it should be censored but then again you have the possiblity that it may cause the user to start to edge towards more hardcore and realistic child porn.

I myself think it should be banned, as it really isn't used by anyone in a decent manner (is that even possible? O_o).

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Recent studies show that most of those with an attraction to minors suffer from a kind of compulsive disorder. Mammals are preprogrammed (instincts from the primal brain) to be attracted to to another of its same species (though not necessarily the same sex) at child baring age.
Bollocks, what happens if a child gets attracted to another child of their own age? Do they have OCD or something similar? No.

Also you do realise girls start their menstruation cycle at between 8-16, so the natural child baring age is anywhere from 8 upwards.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2006, 02:07:45 pm »
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Meh. Even if it promotes worse things, it should NOT be illegal because of that. If someone starts to use real child porn, or go raping kids THAT is making them break the law, and that's a seperate crime.

It's like you don't ban knives because you can stab someone with it, or ban internet because you can share illegal content on it (e.g. child porn).

Instead I see it that way that if people that like kids (and I don't mean how an average mother does) want to get pleased or whatever they could fall back on drawn child porn. It is better that they do that than go raping kids in the park.

Saying that it should be banned because it looks sick is not a good reason. No one is forcing you to look at it (geez, that sounds like I watch it :x and I don't). Now, rap-music and popular music that is sick AND you can't avoid, that should be banned! <.< j/k

Quote from: Fox on September 10, 2006, 06:17:05 pm
I mean, in Germany it's illegal to draw swastikas (even with a pencil on a sheet of paper).
Quote from: Pyru on September 10, 2006, 06:32:21 pm
Yeah, in most of mainland Europe it is illegal to draw or own any swastika of any description (even though the symbol predates the Nazis by millenia).
That's so !@#$% stupid I could hurt the guy that got this "smart" idea to ban it. I think it's illegal in Sweden too. I mean, drawing a symbol doesn't make you a nazi. Also, being nazi shouldn't be illegal either. I mean, it's the !@#$% action of killing/follow/hurt people that should be illegal.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 05:07:13 pm »
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Quote from: Helios on September 10, 2006, 07:45:42 pm
Bollocks, what happens if a child gets attracted to another child of their own age? Do they have OCD or something similar? No.

Also you do realise girls start their menstruation cycle at between 8-16, so the natural child baring age is anywhere from 8 upwards.

lol Helios' "I am right" attitude strikes again. Children have crushes, these feelings are not sexual so can hardly be compared to a mature, adult relationship, also yes I am aware of the the female menstruation cycle and when it begins, 8 is very premature, the average age for menstruation to happen is 11. Child baring age is when both male and female are sexually active and physically matured. I dont see many 8 year olds with breasts, do you?? Check your facts before you tell me that I am wrong Helio.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2006, 05:13:27 pm »
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Quote from: Uppy on September 11, 2006, 05:07:13 pm
lol Helios' "I am right" attitude strikes again.
When have I ever had that attitude, just because I disagree with you it dosen't mean to say I am right. I'm always willing to be proved wrong, and have been on numerous occasions.

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... Children have crushes, these feelings are not sexual ...
Really? So all the horny teenagers out there are just imagining sexual feelings?

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also yes I am aware of the the female menstruation cycle and when it begins, 8 is very premature, the average age for menstruation to happen is 11. Child baring age is when both male and female are sexually active and physically matured.
*sigh* I can't be bothered arguing with this.
5th paragraph - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_cycle

The menstrual cycle show's that you are capable of being pregenent and as such of child baring age.

Hell, have you ever heard of the egyptians? They used to give birth anywhere around 11. Just because its not done in this day and age, dosen't mean to say that it can't.


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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2006, 05:16:59 pm »
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Teenagers are adolescents, not children
Quote from: Helios on September 11, 2006, 05:13:27 pm
*sigh* I can't be bothered arguing with this.
5th paragraph - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_cycle

The menstrual cycle show's that you are capable of being pregenent and as such of child baring age.

Again I know that, contrary to your belief I'm not an idiot however an eight year old may be able to become pregnant but a child so young is not physically developed.

As for the Egyptians ....um...DUH of course...life expectancy was only around 30 back then so we matured physically faster.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2006, 05:20:14 pm »
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Quote from: Uppy on September 11, 2006, 05:16:59 pm
Teenagers are adolescents, not children
Depends on your perspective. In law they are not adult, so your description is wrong.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2006, 05:22:20 pm »
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Unfortunatly not, we dont just stop being children and instantly become adult, its a transition, the transition is adolesence.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2006, 05:22:50 pm »
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Well I think child porn drawn isn't really interesting for pedo's they are wicked sick. And I hope they will die! these pieces of !@#$% do not deserve to live. They can be happy I'm not God otherwise I would send them straight to hell.
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*sigh* Screw it Uppy, I don't have the time, patience or intrest to be abused via PM's and this topic. I don't know what your vendetta against me is for, but I'm leaving this topic now.
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2006, 05:32:57 pm »
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There is a really fine line between childhood, adulthood, science, laws, and cultures. It depends on who you ask as to what defines a child as being an adult.

Child pornography is defined in the US, as what its 'defined' by, we can't just simpley change that. Unfortunately "law" tends to over rule science, and cultural aspects. Law makes its best attempts at protecting childern, which is the purpose it serves.

Art has a long history of having naked people it, some people draw things peacefully naked, others draw them in a vulgar way. I feel in some cases (modern cases mostly) when people depict childern in sexual acts in art, they aren't doing it for the 'concept' of art, they're doing it for (self) sexual pleasure. Art is supposed to be art, its supposed to be beautiful, something to enjoy, I feel people may abuse it. Very unfortunate. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2006, 05:38:57 pm »
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Quote from: Andrew on September 11, 2006, 05:32:57 pm
There is a really fine line between childhood, adulthood, science, laws, and cultures. It depends on who you ask as to what defines a child as being an adult.

Child pornography is defined in the US, as what its 'defined' by, we can't just simpley change that. Unfortunately "law" tends to over rule science, and cultural aspects. Law makes its best attempts at protecting childern, which is the purpose it serves.

Art has a long history of having naked people it, some people draw things peacefully naked, others draw them in a vulgar way. I feel in some cases (modern cases mostly) when people depict childern in sexual acts in art, they aren't doing it for the 'concept' of art, they're doing it for (self) sexual pleasure. Art is supposed to be art, its supposed to be beautiful, something to enjoy, I feel people may abuse it. Very unfortunate. 
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Quote from: Hyrule_boy on September 11, 2006, 05:22:50 pm
Well I think child porn drawn isn't really interesting for pedo's they are wicked sick. And I hope they will die! these pieces of !@#$% do not deserve to live. They can be happy I'm not God otherwise I would send them straight to hell.
Apart from the fact that you've been overusing the swearing a bit over there... let's make a difference between
a) People who actually rape children and force them to take perverted actions (which are the ones that should be stopped, intensively) (Which includes both, men and women)
b) People who feel attracted to minors and ONLY feel without taking actions (Which includes both, men and women)
c) (my favourite) People (mostly men) who aren't the least bit pedophile at all, but since there are feministic and anti-sexistic organisations who claim men to be perverted and pedophile (including every human being with a peepee), many of them become unsure. So they start imagining that they're pedophile. And they go to organisations and self-help group. And they become more unsure. And they loose faith in live.

I understand your point to call Group a) to book (but not exactly "kill"), but what about the other two groups? You're including them, too, but they didn't do anything. They can still be changed before it's too late (and respectively groups who globalize all men as one kind can be stopped, too). And you think these kind of "wicked sickos don't deserve to live"?

Please, make clearer definitions before you write... that one got me angry.

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I mean, child-pornography is illegal because it's not legal to have intercourse with children
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