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Resources => Graphics => Topic started by: ALTTP Fan on May 03, 2010, 02:50:29 am
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I Just started work again on my Great Deku Tree and Id like some comments/crits before I continue working on it some more.
Mock up:
(http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/663/greatdekutreemockup.png) (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/greatdekutreemockup.png/)
Im fairly happy with it so far but im not too keen on the face. The canopy is a slight edit of Master Yoshis Great Deku Tree Canopy and I tiled it pretty badly! its just a place holder for now, until later on. The whole thing still needs some touching up but its mainly the face that I need help or suggestions on.
Also, which one do you guys think looks the best out of these?
1]
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6147/deku1.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/deku1.png/)
2]
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1653/deku2.png) (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/deku2.png/)
3]
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1426/deku3.png) (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/deku3.png/)
4]
(http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/840/deku4.png) (http://img576.imageshack.us/i/deku4.png/)
??? In case youre thinking the canopy looks too long, dont worry. in the game the player wont be able to see most of it.
And please note that the shadows on the main trunk and back roots are done to compliment the lowest canopy(picture 4) The first 3 pictures have the wrong shadows.
Here it is split into sections:
(http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1695/greatdekutreeparts.png) (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/greatdekutreeparts.png/)
Old & new:
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/985/newho.png) (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/newho.png/)
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9696/olddb.png) (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/olddb.png/)
How do I make a GIF and post here? I created a GIF using GameMaker and uploaded it to
imageshack but its only displaying the first image.
EDIT: Ive just thought of something that shouuuld make this look a LOT better! I'll upload the results once ive done it. Hopefully the face may end up looking better too!
Update tomorrow.
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Wow, I'm really impressed!
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Either 3 or 4, the lower down canopy will certainly look better.
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Wow the design looks much better now, the other one had it's squareness fell, that i didn't like.
This one looks much nicer.
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Either 3 or 4, the lower down canopy will certainly look better.
I agree with this. In addition, the lower canopy also obscures the repeating pattern of the tree trunk. If you show more of the trunk it would do good when you brought in some more variation in the details, to make it look more natural. This is not really necessary with 3 and 4 because the face already gives some variation.
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I'm pretty fond of two, but the outer part of the trunk could use improving. Needs to look more rounded, though I am unsure exactly how to explain how..
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I'm pretty fond of two, but the outer part of the trunk could use improving. Needs to look more rounded, though I am unsure exactly how to explain how..
Do you mean kinda like this:
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8284/roundedtrunk.png) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/roundedtrunk.png/)
Or is it something else?
Its just a rough edit atm to see if that was what you were referring to.
I havent put the shadow under the canopy yet, However I have removed the shadow that was meant for the lowest canopy(picture 4) so hopefully this makes it look more rounded.
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in the screen its too dark so use a lighter color set and it looks great so good job.
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I'm pretty fond of two, but the outer part of the trunk could use improving. Needs to look more rounded, though I am unsure exactly how to explain how..
Do you mean kinda like this:
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8284/roundedtrunk.png) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/roundedtrunk.png/)
Or is it something else?
Its just a rough edit atm to see if that was what you were referring to.
I havent put the shadow under the canopy yet, However I have removed the shadow that was meant for the lowest canopy(picture 4) so hopefully this makes it look more rounded.
The color set is good, but with the shading and the pattern on the trunk, it looks as if the trunk is octoganal instead of round. Like I said, vary more with the pattern to make it look more natural. At the moment the trunk looks like a wooden shed. It is too symmetrical and too patterned.
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Made some non-drastic edits to show a bit more depth to the tree-
Basically made some minor modifications to the trunk, and modified the shading under the canopy as well as around the body.
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I'm pretty fond of two, but the outer part of the trunk could use improving. Needs to look more rounded, though I am unsure exactly how to explain how..
Do you mean kinda like this:
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8284/roundedtrunk.png) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/roundedtrunk.png/)
Or is it something else?
Its just a rough edit atm to see if that was what you were referring to.
I havent put the shadow under the canopy yet, However I have removed the shadow that was meant for the lowest canopy(picture 4) so hopefully this makes it look more rounded.
The color set is good, but with the shading and the pattern on the trunk, it looks as if the trunk is octoganal instead of round. Like I said, vary more with the pattern to make it look more natural. At the moment the trunk looks like a wooden shed. It is too symmetrical and too patterned.
yeah, thanks Niek, I'll definitely do that. And thanks Mamoru, that certainly makes it look more rounded.
I'll update soon with the results for more crits. Anything you guys would suggest for the face? Do you think the angle is too full on or should I give it more of a kind of top-down look?
Also, the features are a bit meh atm. Any suggestions there?
Thanks a lot for all your help so far.
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Yes, the texture feels too artificial now. Look at real wood for help, or other wood in LTTP ( I don't think there is much too look for in LTTP D:)
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Yes, the texture feels too artificial now. Look at real wood for help, or other wood in LTTP ( I don't think there is much too look for in LTTP D:)
I think it matches the LTTP style based on the wooden logs in LTTP.
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Yes, the texture feels too artificial now. Look at real wood for help, or other wood in LTTP ( I don't think there is much too look for in LTTP D:)
I think it matches the LTTP style based on the wooden logs in LTTP.
Well yes, but what I am getting at is that the area is much larger, so seeing a repeated pattern more makes you feel like it isn't wood. That area is small, so it is quite negligible.
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Yes, the texture feels too artificial now. Look at real wood for help, or other wood in LTTP ( I don't think there is much too look for in LTTP D:)
I think it matches the LTTP style based on the wooden logs in LTTP.
Yep, thats the base for the pattern. Hopefully, Nieks suggestion of varying the pattern will make it look more rounded...and if all else fails, as Niek also said, I could just use the lower canopy to hide the repeating pattern and flattness.
I dont like taking the easy way out, but sometimes thats the best way. Ive just gotta try these other things out first. Trial and error.
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Yes, the texture feels too artificial now. Look at real wood for help, or other wood in LTTP ( I don't think there is much too look for in LTTP D:)
I think it matches the LTTP style based on the wooden logs in LTTP.
Well yes, but what I am getting at is that the area is much larger, so seeing a repeated pattern more makes you feel like it isn't wood. That area is small, so it is quite negligible.
yeah, i agree with that.
How about Something like the cliffs?
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5757/alttp.png) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/alttp.png/)
3-4 repeating tiles instead of 1.
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So for the repeated pattern why not use the LTTP log and FSA together so pattern won't repeat and look more treeish if thats even possible :huh:.
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Deku tree isn't made from boards. Thats why it looks too artificial.
My advice to you is don't use any clear patterns. Here is a great example of how you COULD shade:
(http://www.spriters-resource.com/custom_edited/zelda/dekutree.png)
There are countless of ways to make things look like wood, so you should just google different kinds of tree textures and study them a bit.
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I'm pretty fond of two, but the outer part of the trunk could use improving. Needs to look more rounded, though I am unsure exactly how to explain how..
Do you mean kinda like this:
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8284/roundedtrunk.png) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/roundedtrunk.png/)
Or is it something else?
Its just a rough edit atm to see if that was what you were referring to.
I havent put the shadow under the canopy yet, However I have removed the shadow that was meant for the lowest canopy(picture 4) so hopefully this makes it look more rounded.
Here's what I suggest.
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1459/cle02861.png)
Work on the roots and face. It looks too much like an enlarged view of the smaller ALttP tree, which I'm sure it is. There's a section of brown between the middle roots and the furthest back that doesn't make any sense to me.
And I don't know how much this makes my opinion matter, but I've been trying to perfect ALttP style for over 7 years now. Your bark looks completely fine. I'm actually going to to do the same as you have to mine. I like the way your rounded it out. Bring the canopy down To a few pixels above the eyebrows, because the angle isn't working at the height it's currently at..
Try to make the bottom mouth match the bark, if possible.
Also, don't be afraid to give it more lighting on the roots. That brightest shade can do wonders, if used properly.
Also also, I like the way you shaded where the Canopy covers.
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I'm pretty fond of two, but the outer part of the trunk could use improving. Needs to look more rounded, though I am unsure exactly how to explain how..
Do you mean kinda like this:
(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8284/roundedtrunk.png) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/roundedtrunk.png/)
Or is it something else?
Its just a rough edit atm to see if that was what you were referring to.
I havent put the shadow under the canopy yet, However I have removed the shadow that was meant for the lowest canopy(picture 4) so hopefully this makes it look more rounded.
Here's what I suggest.
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1459/cle02861.png)
Work on the roots and face. It looks too much like an enlarged view of the smaller ALttP tree, which I'm sure it is. There's a section of brown between the middle roots and the furthest back that doesn't make any sense to me.
And I don't know how much this makes my opinion matter, but I've been trying to perfect ALttP style for over 7 years now. Your bark looks completely fine. I'm actually going to to do the same as you have to mine. I like the way your rounded it out. Bring the canopy down To a few pixels above the eyebrows, because the angle isn't working at the height it's currently at..
Try to make the bottom mouth match the bark, if possible.
Also, don't be afraid to give it more lighting on the roots. That brightest shade can do wonders, if used properly.
Also also, I like the way you shaded where the Canopy covers.
thanks yoshi, i was going to ask your personal opinion on the bark earlier because I figure youre the man who should know if it fits ALTTP style or not. I am also trying my hardest to perfect the LTTP style(about 2 years now but i guess i was trying to add a more "realistic" style to it before, which i now see as just...wrong.) I personally am most happy with the bark, more so than any other part of the tree. so now that i know you agree, im going to keep it.
im still gonna do a lot of the other things you guys suggested to see if it looks better.
i believe in trial and error. and yeah, im going to change the roots a bit and of course the face, but i was thinking i should make his nose slimmer instead of wider because at the moment its wider than his mouth. as i said before though, i WILL be trying all your suggestions.
EDIT: The area of brown between the roots is actually part of the root
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3350/91468611.png) (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/91468611.png/)
It does looks very strange on my slightly "rounded" deku tree though, i have to agree.
BTW, yes, tree 5(my edit of the original ALTTP tree(not shown) and the lumberjack tree stump(tree 2) is the base of my deku tree(i just resized tree 5 and smoothed it out to get the horrible 4 pixel thick deku tree i had before(which is also the base for my new deku tree)
Do you think that making the roots and outside of the trunk 1 pixel thick instead of 2, will make it match the 1 pixel thick bark pattern and canopy? i think the face looks ok being 2 pixels thick but i will see how 1 pixel thick looks too.
i hope im making sense lol im kind of tired right now and i suck at grammar, spelling etc.
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Deku tree isn't made from boards. Thats why it looks too artificial.
My advice to you is don't use any clear patterns. Here is a great example of how you COULD shade:
(http://www.spriters-resource.com/custom_edited/zelda/dekutree.png)
There are countless of ways to make things look like wood, so you should just google different kinds of tree textures and study them a bit.
im pretty set on the bark at the moment(though im still going to try mixing it up a bit like Niek suggested) but i will definitely have a go at that. Thanks.
sorry for double post.
Anyway, im going to be working on this a LOT over the next few days, trying all your suggestions. And hopefully, i'll have a lot of new variations for you guys to give c+c.
Thanks again for help so far guys.
EDIT:
Ok, small update with the barks WIP so far:
1](http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5673/bark0.png) (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/bark0.png/)
2](http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6338/bark1.png) (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/bark1.png/)
3](http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3541/bark2b.png) (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/bark2b.png/)
4](http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4036/bark3b.png) (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/bark3b.png/)
5](http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6812/bark4b.png) (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/bark4b.png/)
Picture 1 is basically the first bark I ever did, and picture 2 is basically the bark youve already seen on the Great Deku Tree. Pictures 3,4 and 5 have a bit more pattern variation and roundness to them.(Thanks to Niek, Mamoru, and Master Yoshis suggestions)
Which do you guys prefer out of 4 and 5? Yoshi, which do you think looks more LttP style?
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Show each one assembled. I like the last one, and the way you shaded #4.
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I think the last one shows the most roundness.
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Looks to much like the hardwood flooring in my parents house :x
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Still does not look right :/
The whole board feel has to go.
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#5
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Looks fine when the face is covering most of it, as well as a lower canopy. That's my personal opinion. This is a game that is nearly two decades old, with simplistic, outdated graphics. And that's not bashing the game, as you can clearly tell I love the graphics to death. But sometimes you have to sacrifice realistic detail in order to achieve simplicity.