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Title: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 21, 2010, 11:00:23 am
Read the user nominations idea here (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=35777.0) if you haven't already. Otherwise this topic will be for nominating, voting on, and then deciding the Project of the Month for the month of January. Once a nomination is validly posted it'll be added as quickly as possible to a poll which exist in this topic as well too; although please be kind in that the staff are human.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Zaeranos on January 21, 2010, 05:34:56 pm
Hmm, neato.

Then I nominate Surface. Besides it being somewhat the only game that has had any work done this month, it is also an incredibly cool looking game. The graphics are still tentative, but it show already some sweet animations, particle effects and physics. But best reason is that, although most work on the project was done in the programming and thus hard to show, Mammy has kept everyone promptly up to date on the progress.

One thing: Thumbs up for Surface  :P
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 21, 2010, 07:56:04 pm
There has been a small oversight on my part, a poll can only be initially created provided there are at least two options. Otherwise speaking though if Surface were the only project nominated, it'd also be the only one then capable of winning.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Martijn dh on January 22, 2010, 12:16:44 pm
Very well then. I nominate Sword of Divinition as a second choice.
There was a new demo released and the project has been getting response because of that. It still shows promise and it has gone without attention for a while untill recently. Which is a bit of a shame.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 22, 2010, 03:07:06 pm
Alright, added - the poll is now up. Remember to vote now please.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on January 22, 2010, 03:18:54 pm
I vote Surface for winner.
It will be a really fun game.
computer games are really cool.


Haiku~ also 3 sentences :p
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: DJvenom on January 22, 2010, 03:52:54 pm
I vote for surface,
since it is a cool guy, and
afraids of nothing.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Zaeranos on January 22, 2010, 04:02:48 pm
Do I also need to add 3 sentences:

Ah well, I'll just repeat my first post.

Then I nominate Surface. Besides it being somewhat the only game that has had any work done this month, it is also an incredibly cool looking game. The graphics are still tentative, but it show already some sweet animations, particle effects and physics. But best reason is that, although most work on the project was done in the programming and thus hard to show, Mammy has kept everyone promptly up to date on the progress.

One thing: Thumbs up for Surface  :P
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 22, 2010, 04:31:07 pm
I think that I saw you looking at the nomination procedure earlier after nominating and likely after I put the poll up. I had to make an edit shortly after that said a user who nominated a project doesn't have to do an additional vote comment.

About the voting comments though, while I am not going to be too strict about it a comment is fine so long as it relates to the project being voted for; a comment should really and possibly mention something more specific about a game other than it's awesome. I mean that is still better than doing "I am. I am. I am.", but meh.

Oh, and Dark-Hylian and Windy, without posting a comment about why you voted for the project you did your votes will not count when the winner is finally be decided. That might seem like a frustrating requirement for voting but it is to ensure that voting isn't done so passively; in the same way that there are those on the forum who view projects without posting in their topics sometimes.

And just to be clear, nominations are still open so if one of your favorites isn't up there you could nominate it. I didn't really specify saying a user couldn't nominate more than one project, but the voting is set up to where a user can only vote for one.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: DJvenom on January 22, 2010, 05:01:47 pm
Wait you have to explain why you voted in 3 or more sentences? !@#$% lame... Some people like anonymously voting, obviously.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 22, 2010, 05:22:38 pm
The procedure has it as 1 to 3 sentences which isn't really asking for much. The purpose of the voting comments is also for something else to include in the Project of the Month article for the site; the nominations topic will be moved/deleted after the winner is picked so that an accumulation of nominations topics doesn't clutter up this board.

Really, it isn't hard to say something like: "I voted for [game title] because its latest feature gave me an idea for my game." or "I voted for [game title]. [game's creator] had a lot of progress and deserves it". There also isn't anonymous voting, the results should be viewable after voting.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Dark-Hylian on January 22, 2010, 05:24:58 pm
K. Well, I've been following Sword of Divinition for a while now, and I would like to see it moving forward in it's construction. If it's given Project of the Month status, then maybe MG will be more influenced to continue his great work on it.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Kingknight on January 23, 2010, 03:13:57 am
I nominate Surface for the kick-ass graphics and gameplay videos!
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on January 23, 2010, 05:17:09 am
I should note-

Should Surface win and get the interview process, I won't be answering any story questions or anything along those lines, however for the occasion I'll throw together another youtube vid showing the new tilesets I've made along with some other artwork unrevealed so far =3
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 23, 2010, 05:57:18 am
Windy, Kren, Dracon, MiNalien, and anyone else if you don't post at least one sentence as to why you voted for the project you did, your votes won't be counted. This is because voting for a project so passively also creates a disadvantage for a project which could still be nominated in that the vote tallies for a project already nominated would inflate without much merit. If someone can't give a reason for what they voted for or they keep quiet about it, it doesn't help the developer out as much either.

Oh, and Mamoruanime that'd be cool.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: kuraszune on January 23, 2010, 06:10:31 am
Voted for Surface
Cause I like the composer
Oops, I said too much

Also, hi everyone.  I think I'll start talking more on here... Is that good enough for you, Mamo?
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on January 23, 2010, 06:20:00 am
lol it's about time you posted instead of lurking all of the time :p

And yes, the Haiku is perfect
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: kuraszune on January 23, 2010, 06:31:14 am
Yeah yeah... :-X Keep it up. I'm going to sleep. XD
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Cassyblanca on January 23, 2010, 04:47:47 pm
Windy, Kren, Dracon, MiNalien, and anyone else if you don't post at least one sentence as to why you voted for the project you did, your votes won't be counted. This is because voting for a project so passively also creates a disadvantage for a project which could still be nominated in that the vote tallies for a project already nominated would inflate without much merit. If someone can't give a reason for what they voted for or they keep quiet about it, it doesn't help the developer out as much either.

Oh, and Mamoruanime that'd be cool.
Are you !@#$% serious? So I have to have a reason for supporting what I chose now?

Here's my reason: I support Sword of Divination more than I support Surface. That's all that matters.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Nabeshin on January 23, 2010, 05:16:18 pm
Surface, because progress has been ongoing and consistent since the minute the topic opened.

Also it's pretty.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: DJvenom on January 23, 2010, 06:06:42 pm
From this day forward,
all of my nominations
shall be in haiku.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Colbydude on January 23, 2010, 07:02:21 pm
I voted for Surface due it's consistent updates and all the features it's going to have. It looks like a lot of fun. =)
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Kren on January 23, 2010, 11:02:53 pm
"This message is to inform you that your vote towards the project you selected will not count unless you specify in at least one sentence in that topic why you voted for it. You still have to the end of the month to specify. Thanks for your time."

oh wow talk about dumb stuff.. anyways I prefer Zelda Sword of Divination for the following, we are in a zelda forum, meaning we need to support zelda games to be completed we got 0 fan games completed since we started, Surface is a cool game but seems really wipish to be considered PoTM, probably next month when we see more.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 23, 2010, 11:35:45 pm
Yeah, it is pretty dumb to give the whole community the ability to decide which project wins the award and then to have the audacity to ask for at least one sentence explaining why each user voted the way they did. This moronic requirement by virtue of its uselessness has ensured that the nominations topic will have posts in it, and because of that it happens to be more visible to all those who haven't voted but might still want to vote.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Cassyblanca on January 24, 2010, 12:28:16 am
Yeah, because the character contest and similar users-voting-for-!@#$% contests have totally shown that the post would get no activity beyond people placing their votes.

Oh, wait.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 24, 2010, 01:39:29 am
The contests you mention didn't have nominations alongside voting and were either primarily based on popularity or were not frequent enough to require a real system of fairness.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Cassyblanca on January 24, 2010, 01:52:54 am
The contests you mention didn't have nominations alongside voting and were either primarily based on popularity or were not frequent enough to require a real system of fairness.
Yeah, because gods forbid we support a project's nomination because we like it, rather than which we think is the logical, by-the-books choice. I mean, that would just be unfair. And I'm sure we all know that people won't just come up with some random fact about the project to use as support for their choice. You know, because this totally isn't about popularity like aforementioned contests, and people wouldn't dream of coming up with any random reason to support the project that they like more.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 24, 2010, 02:45:11 am
Any user could like certain projects here, but keeping secrets about why they like the ones they do doesn't help anyone out. It is almost always a given that a user would vote for a project they like - the incomprehensibly small requirement of 1 sentence can either reiterate that sentiment or if a user wants to they can elaborate as to what they liked specifically.

For the time being this is how it is going to be, and it really isn't that much; heck, you've practiced forming sentences in all of your disagreement. If you do not like that, then don't participate or expect to be counted in the system. No system is really going to please everybody. Now if we could please, let's have further discussion go towards either nominating a project or votes being done on a project's behalf. That is what the topic is about.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Cassyblanca on January 24, 2010, 02:51:45 am
Any user could like certain projects here, but keeping secrets about why they like the ones they do doesn't help anyone out. It is almost always a given that a user would vote for a project they like - the incomprehensibly small requirement of 1 sentence can either reiterate that sentiment or if a user wants to they can elaborate as to what they liked specifically.

For the time being this is how it is going to be, and it really isn't that much; heck, you've practiced forming sentences in all of your disagreement. If you do not like that, then don't participate or expect to be counted in the system. No system is really going to please everybody. Now if we could please, let's have further discussion go towards either nominating a project or votes being done on a project's behalf. That is what the topic is about.
Yeah, just continue ignoring every disagreement with your point of view. After all, singular "leaders" that ignore problems and enforce their own policies seem to have worked out well for SMF, and will probably work out well here.

Before you mention that I'm the only one complaining about this, look at the number of votes. I'm the only one saying anything about it.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Dark-Hylian on January 24, 2010, 03:09:40 am
I beleive MiNalien's right, but I don't beleive it's up for debate. 4Sword's proposition isn't THAT hard to live with, and MiN, if you don't want to write, why write several paragraphs worth arguing. It's not as if your reason isn't a good enough reason, your vote will still count even for an, "I like ______ better than _______, because _____#1 appeals to me more," like sentence.
the incomprehensibly small requirement of 1 sentence can either reiterate that sentiment or if a user wants to they can elaborate as to what they liked specifically.
4Sword, nothing is keeping people from elaborating without presenting a "You must give a reason" rule.

This moronic requirement by virtue of its uselessness has ensured that the nominations topic will have posts in it, and because of that it happens to be more visible to all those who haven't voted but might still want to vote.

This topic has enough posts from simply arguing as it is. I don't really care about the sentence requirement, but IMO, this may have gotten a little out of hand.

That will be all.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on January 24, 2010, 03:32:10 am
MiNalien, I've addressed your concerns with reasons stemming from my point of view, so I haven't ignored you at all; having this conversation with you now even further proves that. Anyway, Dark-Hylian, if there wasn't a requirement for elaboration, there would be a lot of users who wouldn't give one; having the easy requirement ensures that all who want to be counted do.

And yeah, this is getting a little out of hand. Further discussion should be limited to nominating or voting; discussion of what was nominated is also alright too and posts that deal with the wrongs of the system will just be deleted.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Cassyblanca on January 24, 2010, 03:36:00 am
Alright, Cathy, I give up. I'm sorry. I'll stop asking why you decide to flash off your "I'm the administration" badge.

I vote for Sword of Divination because it has been a game that I have followed for a couple years, I am good friends with the developer, it is one of the few games (and the only one of the two nominations) that isn't being developed using a RAD tool, and I have seen a large amount of progress and hard work being put into the project.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Xfixium on January 24, 2010, 03:52:29 am
I like both projects. However, I'm going to go with Sword Of Divination. I've seen it get worked on constantly, and it only keeps getting better. It deserves to be POTM.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: therabidwombat on January 24, 2010, 04:17:51 am
On ZFGC
cause Mamoruanime
made me vote surface

Apparently I have 1413 posts here. I didn't realise I posted that much on this incarnation of ZFGC. Does post count mean anything? Am I more of a person because, in the past, I reached a 4 digit post count on this board?
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on January 24, 2010, 04:19:51 am
On ZFGC
cause Mamoruanime
made me vote surface

XD for one! that's not a haiku!
FOR TWO! You've totally been a part of it's development by your many many helps XD

Okay fine it's a Haiku if you say "ZFGC" like "ZEE EFF JEE SEE", but I say "Zufgk".
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Cassyblanca on January 24, 2010, 04:30:36 am
On ZFGC
cause Mamoruanime
made me vote surface

XD for one! that's not a haiku!
FOR TWO! You've totally been a part of it's development by your many many helps XD

Okay fine it's a Haiku if you say "ZFGC" like "ZEE EFF JEE SEE", but I say "Zufgk".
I find it funny that it was 7/7 until Wombat popped in, then it went 7/8 in favor of Sword of Divination.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on January 24, 2010, 04:35:44 am
On ZFGC
cause Mamoruanime
made me vote surface

XD for one! that's not a haiku!
FOR TWO! You've totally been a part of it's development by your many many helps XD

Okay fine it's a Haiku if you say "ZFGC" like "ZEE EFF JEE SEE", but I say "Zufgk".
I find it funny that it was 7/7 until Wombat popped in, then it went 7/8 in favor of Sword of Divination.
Actually it was 7/8 before he came in :P he didn't really vote XD
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Cassyblanca on January 24, 2010, 04:36:37 am
On ZFGC
cause Mamoruanime
made me vote surface

XD for one! that's not a haiku!
FOR TWO! You've totally been a part of it's development by your many many helps XD

Okay fine it's a Haiku if you say "ZFGC" like "ZEE EFF JEE SEE", but I say "Zufgk".
I find it funny that it was 7/7 until Wombat popped in, then it went 7/8 in favor of Sword of Divination.
Actually it was 7/8 before he came in :P he didn't really vote XD
!@#$% WAS I TALKING TO YOU? RAISE YOUR HAND BEFORE YOU SPEAK OR I'LL SEND YOU TO THE PRINCIPLE'S OFFICE.

And stuff.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on January 24, 2010, 04:39:45 am
:(!

*raises hand*

PS I nominate (but don't vote for due to personal conflict) horn of balance =3
I like the general direction it's going in, and design-wise it seems to be in the right path. A lot of very intuitive development methods are going into it that I find to be quite awesome. RAD tool or not, it's all about how you use it against your limiations :)
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Theforeshadower on January 24, 2010, 07:50:36 am
Horn of Balance.

Love it because of all the projects I ever tried on ZFGC, this is the only one I can remember playing that made me feel so nostalgic.  I really feel that I am playing Zelda on the snes again.
Keep up the great work!

(though it would be sweeter if you would have continued working with the PureBASIC engine >.>)
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: FrozenFire on January 26, 2010, 07:33:04 am
Honestly, I would've voted for the game I'm helping with (Horn of Balance), but progress has been a little too slow. I voted for Surface because it has been making some really awesome progress and it's looking to be a game with tons of potential.

Nonetheless, I'm very sure that HoB will get PotM some day in the future; it's a solid beta so far. Maybe next month. I'm sure Martijn understands; I'm just trying to vote fairly.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Martijn dh on January 26, 2010, 05:00:08 pm
Honestly, I would've voted for the game I'm helping with (Horn of Balance), but progress has been a little too slow. I voted for Surface because it has been making some really awesome progress and it's looking to be a game with tons of potential.

Nonetheless, I'm very sure that HoB will get PotM some day in the future; it's a solid beta so far. Maybe next month. I'm sure Martijn understands; I'm just trying to vote fairly.

Like I'd take it personal ;). This is the first time I've even been nominated for Project of the Month (for as far as I know). I even got a vote. Good times. XD
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Malon on January 26, 2010, 07:16:04 pm
I voted for Surface. It's the most original and it seems like Mammy's really poured his heart into this one. :)
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on January 26, 2010, 09:27:51 pm
D'aw thank yous :D

On a side note; I've come up with the first boss's design :P I might show it off in that vid should I win this <_< >_>
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: kuraszune on January 27, 2010, 12:29:39 am
Who are you kidding? You'd show it off either way... attention !@#$%.  XD
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on January 27, 2010, 01:11:00 am
Who are you kidding? You'd show it off either way... attention !@#$%.  XD

Prolly not :p it's a lot of work XD Although it's an excuse to use Sony Vegas and it forces me to come up with boss designs now instead of later :p
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mirby on January 30, 2010, 10:38:38 pm
I nominate Sword of Divination, because it's been in the works forever, and when I first saw the siggy banner I thought it said "Sword of Ownination". That would be an awesome blade; owns everything.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: 4Sword on February 01, 2010, 11:13:08 am
Alright, the voting is now over since it is February. The vote totals are:

Surface - 10 (11)
Sword of Divination - 5 (10)
Horn of Balance - 1 (3)

The numbers in parenthesis are the simple vote counts while the numbers that are to the left of them are the counts of votes with posts; I counted therabidwombat's post towards the official vote count (he forgot to vote but had a post and had helped on the project). No matter which way, Surface would have won so it is the winner.

Congrats, I'll try and get some interview questions to you sooner or later for a site article, but in the meantime I'll just put your project up in the news and whatnot.
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on February 01, 2010, 11:30:16 am
woooo lol
Title: Re: Nominations - January 2010
Post by: Aero88 on February 02, 2010, 05:23:49 am
Congrats!  This was a good choice, though all three nominations were great I thought.

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