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Title: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Moon_child on June 21, 2008, 10:39:41 pm
Why hasn't there been a Smash Brothers game for the DS yet?! The system is imense popular, and adding a Smash Brothers game will raise the sales even more! They could port the n64 version, update the graphics a bit, add online play, and some new characters, and challenges, and it will make fanboys like me crazy! So Nintendo I know you probaly won't read this ever, but in case you do, I say this with all my love and love from every Nintendo fanboy out there, so Nintendo what the !@#$% is taking so !@#$% long?!!!
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Faldomar on June 21, 2008, 10:42:20 pm
I agree, if they made a DS Smash Brothers, there would be even more sales for the DS, and a portable Smash bros would be insane. <_<
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: FISSURE on June 21, 2008, 10:44:14 pm
Honestly, Smash Bros DS probably wouldn't work too well.

The DS has pretty big lack of buttons for SSB.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Faldomar on June 21, 2008, 10:45:25 pm
I dont see the issue, it's got almost the same number of buttons, and for all you C stick happy people. It's tough luck, I prefer the good ol' smashing the direction you wanna smash method instead.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Porkchop on June 21, 2008, 10:48:54 pm
When the DS gets an Analogue Stick, call me and I'll support this.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 21, 2008, 10:51:06 pm
I'm up for a Smash Bros. on DS. It seems possible but I don't see why nobody is trying to play it on the DS with the ROM or something. Not sure if that would work but I've seen a video where somebody did do that. Still, I want Smash Bros. on DS as well as BK and DK64.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: SlimmyG on June 21, 2008, 11:01:30 pm
Honestly, Smash Bros DS probably wouldn't work too well.

The DS has pretty big lack of buttons for SSB.

Im pretty sure this discussions been held before somewhere on ZFGC...

N64 button    |     DS Button
A                        B (best position)
B                        A
L                        L
R                        R
Z                        I think it did the same as L
Start                   Start
C buttons             none, but all they did was smashes and i think jump
Control Stick        D pad, up as jump.

Obviously you could swap A and B, but i find B is in a more comfortable place on the DS then A.
And i dont see the lack of Analouge as a huge problem, it may not be as nice but itd still work fine.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Takuthehedgehog on June 21, 2008, 11:14:35 pm
If you can play Smash Bros. with the Wii Remote, you can play Smash Bros with the DS.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Chippermonkey on June 21, 2008, 11:19:41 pm
I'm up for a Smash Bros. on DS. It seems possible but I don't see why nobody is trying to play it on the DS with the ROM or something. Not sure if that would work but I've seen a video where somebody did do that. Still, I want Smash Bros. on DS as well as BK and DK64.
DS can't emulate N64. Those videos are all hoaxes.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Kyubi on June 21, 2008, 11:32:29 pm
I'm up for a Smash Bros. on DS. It seems possible but I don't see why nobody is trying to play it on the DS with the ROM or something. Not sure if that would work but I've seen a video where somebody did do that. Still, I want Smash Bros. on DS as well as BK and DK64.
DS can't emulate N64. Those videos are all hoaxes.
Mario 64 DS >_>
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Chippermonkey on June 21, 2008, 11:33:21 pm
I'm up for a Smash Bros. on DS. It seems possible but I don't see why nobody is trying to play it on the DS with the ROM or something. Not sure if that would work but I've seen a video where somebody did do that. Still, I want Smash Bros. on DS as well as BK and DK64.
DS can't emulate N64. Those videos are all hoaxes.
Mario 64 DS >_>
That's not emulation.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 21, 2008, 11:35:43 pm
If you can play Smash Bros. with the Wii Remote, you can play Smash Bros with the DS.
He's gotta point there. Only downside is that you'd be shaking the DS a lot and I think there should be rumble support for sure. Possibly a rumble pak bundled with it?
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Faldomar on June 21, 2008, 11:37:11 pm
That's not emulation.
Still shows that something FROM the N64 can be remade and reused for the DS. So Super Smash Bros. could easily be remade with better graphics and put on the DS.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Chippermonkey on June 21, 2008, 11:39:36 pm
That's not emulation.
Still shows that something FROM the N64 can be remade and reused for the DS. So Super Smash Bros. could easily be remade with better graphics and put on the DS.
Yeah, but they were talking about EMULATING the N64 cartridge.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Porkchop on June 21, 2008, 11:40:20 pm
That's not emulation.
Still shows that something FROM the N64 can be remade and reused for the DS. So Super Smash Bros. could easily be remade with better graphics and put on the DS.

Yes, but it's not about if it can be done on the DS, of course it can be.

The only thing I'm worried about it controls, but moving wise. Using that Directional Pad would be hell.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Malon on June 21, 2008, 11:44:34 pm
Using that Directional Pad would be hell.

Well...maybe they could do what Rayman did. Have a pretend analog on the touch screen.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hoffy on June 21, 2008, 11:58:42 pm
Nintendo should make a Super Smash Bros. for DS for the simple fact that they've been ignoring the DS ever since Phantom Hourglass was released. They haven't been releasing anything on the handheld, really. Also, Ninty doesn't seem too keen on making a "Mario Kart DS 2" or an "Animal Crossing: Wild World 2", and they've completely ignored the likes of F-Zero and Pikmin.

So yeah, a Smash Bros. would be nice as long as it played well.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: TheDarkJay on June 22, 2008, 12:09:44 am
Using that Directional Pad would be hell.

Well...maybe they could do what Rayman did. Have a pretend analog on the touch screen.

If it's anything like it was on SM64DS, that 'pretend analog' will suck balls...
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 12:39:22 am
Well, VP: Pocket Paradise is coming for DS. Rare is working on a third DS game and it could be a remake of DK64, Paper Mario DS. That's all I got.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Wolf on June 22, 2008, 01:06:56 am
Using that Directional Pad would be hell.

Well...maybe they could do what Rayman did. Have a pretend analog on the touch screen.
NO, I hate using the touch screen
how about you can add something from the back, so that you could use the nunchuck or classic contoller

If you can play Smash Bros. with the Wii Remote, you can play Smash Bros with the DS.
yah, that is true.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Theforeshadower on June 22, 2008, 01:19:49 am
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 01:23:14 am
There would obviously have to be a jump button. It makes complete sense.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Mitsu on June 22, 2008, 02:30:51 am
Using that Directional Pad would be hell.

Well...maybe they could do what Rayman did. Have a pretend analog on the touch screen.
I don't see what's so wrong with using the d-pad.  Of course, I don't have DS so I don't know what it's d-pad is like.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Chippermonkey on June 22, 2008, 02:45:11 am
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
I don't know the reason why, actually. Maybe you just have bigger hands?

But, seriously, there's other buttons to jump besides up. On the 64 you could use the C buttons to jump. On the Gamecube you could use X and Y to jump. <_<
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: flagrama on June 22, 2008, 02:47:07 am
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
I don't know the reason why, actually. Maybe you just have bigger hands?

But, seriously, there's other buttons to jump besides up. On the 64 you could use the C buttons to jump. On the Gamecube you could use X and Y to jump. <_<
He means accidentally jumping due to pressing up on the D-Pad on accident.
EDIT: Just looked at one of the DSLites I have in my house. It does seem to like to slip and press up quite a bit easier. I don't really see what the problem would really be though, then again, I can conform to any controls in a matter of minutes.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Garoth Moulinoski on June 22, 2008, 02:49:55 am
I could swear I've seen this topic done before... I could swear I've posted in that topic before...

...Deja vu? O_o (Pardon the no-accents; I don't know the combinations)
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Porkchop on June 22, 2008, 02:58:55 am
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
I don't know the reason why, actually. Maybe you just have bigger hands?

But, seriously, there's other buttons to jump besides up. On the 64 you could use the C buttons to jump. On the Gamecube you could use X and Y to jump. <_<
He means accidentally jumping due to pressing up on the D-Pad on accident.
EDIT: Just looked at one of the DSLites I have in my house. It does seem to like to slip and press up quite a bit easier. I don't really see what the problem would really be though, then again, I can conform to any controls in a matter of minutes.

The problem I'm talking about is just... you have more control and can turn faster and stuff with an analogue stick. Go play Super Mario 64 DS and you'll see what I mean. Moving around is so !@#$%, especially compared to Super Mario 64. I could do so many things in that game that I can't do anymore because of the Directional Pad.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 03:03:58 am
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
I don't know the reason why, actually. Maybe you just have bigger hands?

But, seriously, there's other buttons to jump besides up. On the 64 you could use the C buttons to jump. On the Gamecube you could use X and Y to jump. <_<
He means accidentally jumping due to pressing up on the D-Pad on accident.
EDIT: Just looked at one of the DSLites I have in my house. It does seem to like to slip and press up quite a bit easier. I don't really see what the problem would really be though, then again, I can conform to any controls in a matter of minutes.

The problem I'm talking about is just... you have more control and can turn faster and stuff with an analogue stick. Go play Super Mario 64 DS and you'll see what I mean. Moving around is so !@#$%, especially compared to Super Mario 64. I could do so many things in that game that I can't do anymore because of the Directional Pad.
Well, there was the touch mode in SM64DS. Though it might be harder to incorporate into a Smash Bros. DS.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Takuthehedgehog on June 22, 2008, 03:10:32 am
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various14.html

(http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various14/various14_071126c-l.jpg)

Turn tap jump off. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 03:12:16 am
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various14.html

(http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various14/various14_071126c-l.jpg)

Turn tap jump off. Problem solved.
That reminds me, what would the taunt button be? Or would you tap somewhere on the touch screen for the taunt?
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: flagrama on June 22, 2008, 03:12:40 am
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
I don't know the reason why, actually. Maybe you just have bigger hands?

But, seriously, there's other buttons to jump besides up. On the 64 you could use the C buttons to jump. On the Gamecube you could use X and Y to jump. <_<
He means accidentally jumping due to pressing up on the D-Pad on accident.
EDIT: Just looked at one of the DSLites I have in my house. It does seem to like to slip and press up quite a bit easier. I don't really see what the problem would really be though, then again, I can conform to any controls in a matter of minutes.

The problem I'm talking about is just... you have more control and can turn faster and stuff with an analogue stick. Go play Super Mario 64 DS and you'll see what I mean. Moving around is so !@#$%, especially compared to Super Mario 64. I could do so many things in that game that I can't do anymore because of the Directional Pad.
Well, there was the touch mode in SM64DS. Though it might be harder to incorporate into a Smash Bros. DS.
And the fact that, given the choice, I would prefer analogue stick > D-Pad > Touch Screen. Of course, I guess I wouldn't complain with either of the first two too badly, I just really hated the "Touch Screen = analogue stick" !@#$% they were trying to pull.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 03:14:35 am
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
I don't know the reason why, actually. Maybe you just have bigger hands?

But, seriously, there's other buttons to jump besides up. On the 64 you could use the C buttons to jump. On the Gamecube you could use X and Y to jump. <_<
He means accidentally jumping due to pressing up on the D-Pad on accident.
EDIT: Just looked at one of the DSLites I have in my house. It does seem to like to slip and press up quite a bit easier. I don't really see what the problem would really be though, then again, I can conform to any controls in a matter of minutes.

The problem I'm talking about is just... you have more control and can turn faster and stuff with an analogue stick. Go play Super Mario 64 DS and you'll see what I mean. Moving around is so !@#$%, especially compared to Super Mario 64. I could do so many things in that game that I can't do anymore because of the Directional Pad.
Well, there was the touch mode in SM64DS. Though it might be harder to incorporate into a Smash Bros. DS.
And the fact that, given the choice, I would prefer analogue stick > D-Pad > Touch Screen. Of course, I guess I wouldn't complain with either of the first two too badly, I just really hated the "Touch Screen = analogue stick" !@#$% they were trying to pull.
Well, I doubt an analog stick would be coming anytime soon. I think playing with the d-pad would be fine. It's hard with the Wii Remote because you have to use it to jump as well but a button could easily prevent that problem.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Garoth Moulinoski on June 22, 2008, 03:17:40 am
What the heck... I give a serious look at this page of the topic and I find people trying to use the touch screen for Smash... WTF?

Theforeshadower: You can customize your button setup on Brawl. You can also make it so that you cannot jump by tilting the control stick up.

The same can be done for the DS... As for [default] button setup...

A = Standard Attack
B = Special Attack
R = Guard (with +left or +right, evade)
L = Grab
Touch screen: Taunt

X and Y can be used to jump or whatever.

Another possible button setup can be:
A = Jump
B = Standard Attack
Y = Special attack
R = Guard
L = Grab
Touch screen: Taunt

But like I said before, the DS version of Smash (whenever, if ever hopefully) should have the option to allow you to customize your controls. Customization is a beautiful thing...



Also, WTF is this all about emulating the N64 Smash Bros.? The DS is only so powerful- you'd have to port it... And even then, maybe Nintendo could fit more characters in by making it sprite-based... Or maybe making the background sprites, like they did with New Super Mario Bros. I bet they could fit a whole bunch of stuff if they do that.

My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various14.html

(http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various14/various14_071126c-l.jpg)

Turn tap jump off. Problem solved.
%#^#$!!! Beaten to the punch!

Well, I doubt an analog stick would be coming anytime soon. I think playing with the d-pad would be fine. It's hard with the Wii Remote because you have to use it to jump as well but a button could easily prevent that problem.

Grab an "analog stick simulator"... I doubt they're sold anymore anyhow... But I have one and I used it to play Mario 64 DS. Works decently well once you get used to it.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 03:24:47 am
Do you got a picture of one to show? I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Garoth Moulinoski on June 22, 2008, 03:26:00 am
Of the analog stick simulator? I'll take a picture tomorrow. Too lazy to take one now. Lemmee see if I can google it. I think MadCatz made it...

Edit: Google doesn't show anything... I guess it's that rare now. O_O I bought it at Walmart back when Mario 64 DS was the only game worth buying for the DS...
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Takuthehedgehog on June 22, 2008, 03:43:30 am
(http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various14/various14_071126c-l.jpg)


Control your character with the D-Pad
Standard attacks with the A Button
Special attacks with the B Button
Jump with the X Button, Y Button, or Up on the D-Pad
Shield with the L Button
Grab with the R Button
Pause with the Start Button
Taunt with the Select Button

Pressing A and the D-Pad at the same time does a smash attack. Pressing D-Pad before pressing A does a standard attack. Like in Brawl, there would be an option to customize your controls. My logic is flawless.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Garoth Moulinoski on June 22, 2008, 03:46:17 am
My logic is flawless.

Indeed- It is my logic as well... Check the fourth post above this one.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 03:48:18 am
(http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various14/various14_071126c-l.jpg)


Control your character with the D-Pad
Standard attacks with the A Button
Special attacks with the B Button
Jump with the X Button, Y Button, or Up on the D-Pad
Shield with the L Button
Grab with the R Button
Pause with the Start Button
Taunt with the Select Button

Pressing A and the D-Pad at the same time does a smash attack. Pressing D-Pad before pressing A does a standard attack. Like in Brawl, there would be an option to customize your controls. My logic is flawless.

Now these controls seem fair to me.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Takuthehedgehog on June 22, 2008, 03:48:55 am
My logic is flawless.

Indeed- It is my logic as well... Check the fourth post above this one.
Guess I took too long to post. XD Oh well, it proves that it'd be easy for the developer to come up with a good control scheme.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Mitsu on June 22, 2008, 03:54:47 am
Of the analog stick simulator? I'll take a picture tomorrow. Too lazy to take one now. Lemmee see if I can google it. I think MadCatz made it...

Edit: Google doesn't show anything... I guess it's that rare now. O_O I bought it at Walmart back when Mario 64 DS was the only game worth buying for the DS...
Yea, it's made by MadCatz.  There's another one called the Thylus, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6uDfIj_qvE
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Porkchop on June 22, 2008, 04:12:51 am
Of the analog stick simulator? I'll take a picture tomorrow. Too lazy to take one now. Lemmee see if I can google it. I think MadCatz made it...

Edit: Google doesn't show anything... I guess it's that rare now. O_O I bought it at Walmart back when Mario 64 DS was the only game worth buying for the DS...
Yea, it's made by MadCatz.  There's another one called the Thylus, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6uDfIj_qvE

LOL That thing looks like it's worth 20 cents.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Mitsu on June 22, 2008, 04:14:38 am
It looks like something you could make yourself in about 3 minutes.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Garoth Moulinoski on June 22, 2008, 03:07:19 pm
Of the analog stick simulator? I'll take a picture tomorrow. Too lazy to take one now. Lemmee see if I can google it. I think MadCatz made it...

Edit: Google doesn't show anything... I guess it's that rare now. O_O I bought it at Walmart back when Mario 64 DS was the only game worth buying for the DS...
Yea, it's made by MadCatz.  There's another one called the Thylus, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6uDfIj_qvE

Yeah, the one I have isn't the Thylus one. :/ I like mine better- this one looks weird... The Madcatz one, you can tilt your thumb and it will respond more or less like the analog stick. The only thing I don't like is the strap.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 03:26:05 pm
It looks pretty weird. Why not just make a traditional analog stick attachment which is shaped like a controller which would plug into the GBA Slot?
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Porkchop on June 22, 2008, 04:29:47 pm
It looks pretty weird. Why not just make a traditional analog stick attachment which is shaped like a controller which would plug into the GBA Slot?

Wait... wow that's a !@#$% great idea. It would actually kind of simlate the N64 controller too. (Direction Pad on the left, Analouge Stick in the middle, button on the right)... Hot.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 04:52:26 pm
It looks pretty weird. Why not just make a traditional analog stick attachment which is shaped like a controller which would plug into the GBA Slot?

Wait... wow that's a !@#$% great idea. It would actually kind of simlate the N64 controller too. (Direction Pad on the left, Analouge Stick in the middle, button on the right)... Hot.
I was thinking more along the lines of the GCN controller but that sounds good too. The Three-Handed controller back in action on a handheld.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: SlimmyG on June 22, 2008, 05:14:35 pm
My complaint with every Smash game except the first one:
Up for jump.

Why?  It accidentally hit up so many times.  I prefer a simple button.
Hence, if Up on the D-Pad was jump, I would only play Smash DS with my Phat.
Those of you who have both a Phat and Lite know the reason why.
I don't know the reason why, actually. Maybe you just have bigger hands?

But, seriously, there's other buttons to jump besides up. On the 64 you could use the C buttons to jump. On the Gamecube you could use X and Y to jump. <_<
He means accidentally jumping due to pressing up on the D-Pad on accident.
EDIT: Just looked at one of the DSLites I have in my house. It does seem to like to slip and press up quite a bit easier. I don't really see what the problem would really be though, then again, I can conform to any controls in a matter of minutes.

The problem I'm talking about is just... you have more control and can turn faster and stuff with an analogue stick. Go play Super Mario 64 DS and you'll see what I mean. Moving around is so !@#$%, especially compared to Super Mario 64. I could do so many things in that game that I can't do anymore because of the Directional Pad.
Well, there was the touch mode in SM64DS. Though it might be harder to incorporate into a Smash Bros. DS.
And the fact that, given the choice, I would prefer analogue stick > D-Pad > Touch Screen. Of course, I guess I wouldn't complain with either of the first two too badly, I just really hated the "Touch Screen = analogue stick" !@#$% they were trying to pull.

I totally agree about SM64DS, but i think itd be better on a SSBDS because you only move along two axis, up/down and across. It still wouldnt be as good using the D-Pad as the analouge stick, but would be better then the !@#$% contorls on SM64DS.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Moon_child on June 22, 2008, 06:40:07 pm
Honestly, Smash Bros DS probably wouldn't work too well.

The DS has pretty big lack of buttons for SSB.
Are you !@#$% kidding me? Super Smash Brothers Brawl can be played with only the Wiimote...
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: luigi on June 22, 2008, 06:49:42 pm
It looks pretty weird. Why not just make a traditional analog stick attachment which is shaped like a controller which would plug into the GBA Slot?

Wait... wow that's a !@#$% great idea. It would actually kind of simlate the N64 controller too. (Direction Pad on the left, Analouge Stick in the middle, button on the right)... Hot.
I was thinking more along the lines of the GCN controller but that sounds good too. The Three-Handed controller back in action on a handheld.

The analog thing would be pretty cool. But I like the idea of just the DS. That'd be so cool. :D
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Mirby on June 22, 2008, 07:15:16 pm
This is a first. People AGREEING with Hyrule_boy. Wow. This is a sign of the apocalypse.
Actually, I'm just kidding here. Because I actually agree as well. It would be easy. And I never used the C-Buttons in the original anyways. Maybe you could slide the stylus a certain direction to do it. They got the stylus directionality down with MvDK 2 so they could have it here. Slide up for C-Up, down for C-Down, left and right for C-Left and C-Right. Or slide up across the character to jump. Many possibilities for this. I think they should do this. For sure!
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Fox on June 22, 2008, 08:11:43 pm
Honestly, Smash Bros DS probably wouldn't work too well.

The DS has pretty big lack of buttons for SSB.
Are you !@#$% kidding me? Super Smash Brothers Brawl can be played with only the Wiimote...
That's not saying it's fun.

Jump Ultimate Stars is getting as close as it can get to a Smash Bros. DS. And there won't and there shouldn't be any other attempt.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hammer Bro. Mike on June 22, 2008, 08:13:35 pm
This is a first. People AGREEING with Hyrule_boy. Wow. This is a sign of the apocalypse.
I'm not agreeing with him. I just like the idea and I've thought about it many times before.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Mirby on June 22, 2008, 08:16:10 pm
The very next sentence says I was kidding, which I thought wiuld imply that the first line can be disregarded. Regardless, it is a good idea.
ATTN: NINTENDO! MAKE THIS! DO IT NOW!
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Chippermonkey on June 22, 2008, 09:36:15 pm
It looks pretty weird. Why not just make a traditional analog stick attachment which is shaped like a controller which would plug into the GBA Slot?
Because it's unnecessary when you have INNOVAYSHUN.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Garoth Moulinoski on June 22, 2008, 10:29:50 pm
Honestly, Smash Bros DS probably wouldn't work too well.

The DS has pretty big lack of buttons for SSB.
Are you !@#$% kidding me? Super Smash Brothers Brawl can be played with only the Wiimote...
That's not saying it's fun.

Jump Ultimate Stars is getting as close as it can get to a Smash Bros. DS. And there won't and there shouldn't be any other attempt.

My smile has been upturned. :(

I played Smash with the Wiimote. It's not horrible, really. Plus, the DS has more face buttons than the Wiimote does (well, accessible face buttons for playing Smash.) Just take a look a the control scheme I made up (which is close to what others have made up.)

And Jump is awesome! >:(
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: xero on June 22, 2008, 10:35:32 pm
I think you all fail to realize that Super Smash Brothers is not only a single-player game. Are you all honestly telling me that you all want a Super Smash Brothers game that is designed specifically to play it by yourself?

The only reason that I have ever played Super Smash Brothers by myself is to unlock all the characters and stages. It is a rather boring game to play alone.


Lets take a look at some of the potential issues. As mentioned, the Nintendo DS has limitations.

The control scheme is just one of the very minor limitations, and has already been addressed. I personally do not think that this should have been addressed to begin with though, as for the Nintendo DS has more than enough buttons for a Super Smash Brothers game.

The Nintendo DS should be more than capable of handling an "advanced" version of Super Smash Brothers for the Nintendo 64, so there should not be any hardware specific limitations.

One of the limitations that comes from the Nintendo DS itself is the screen resolution. To put it simply, the Nintendo DS does not have a big enough screen to play Super Smash Brothers decently. Have you ever tried playing Super Smash Brothers on a screen as small as the one on the Nintendo DS? When the camera zooms out, it is damn near impossible to tell where you are and what you are doing. The resolution would defiantly be one major limitation that they would have to find a way of working around.

By all means the Nintendo DS is capable of handling a Super Smash Brothers game, so the next step would be to look into the market. This is what would most likely prevent Nintendo from producing a Super Smash Brothers game for the Nintendo DS.

Is there enough of a demand for a Super Smash Brothers game on the Nintendo DS? I don't know about you, but where I live, I only know of a couple people that actually play these games by themselves. Most of the demand for this product comes from the ability to play it with a group of friends. Take that away, and you're taking away a large chunk of the market.

The public is a highly important part to any series such as this one. The image of the series must remain high in order for people to keep purchasing new games. I'm sure that a lot of people would go out and purchase a Super Smash Brothers version for the Nintendo DS simply because of its name. That does not mean that they will enjoy playing it alone. And therefore, suddenly Nintendo has ruined the image of all the fans who did not enjoy playing this game alone.


Although I am personally against this idea because Super Smash Brothers should not become a single-player game, you must also realize that there are a lot of other issues that would prevent them from creating a Super Smash Brothers game on the Nintendo DS.

I apologize for my lack of more details, but I am really tired at the moment and I need to take a nap.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Mirby on June 22, 2008, 10:42:40 pm
Ahem. WiFi? Download play? It would work quite well!
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Moon_child on June 22, 2008, 10:53:12 pm
Ahem. WiFi? Download play? It would work quite well!
Exactly, the DS has enough multiplayer functions!
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: xero on June 22, 2008, 11:00:35 pm
Ahem. WiFi? Download play? It would work quite well!
Exactly, the DS has enough multiplayer functions!

It seems pointless to play Super Smash Brothers with your friends over WiFi when they're sitting right next to you, and through my experiences, the Nintendo DS does not have the best built-in WiFi. As for download play, if it takes 5 minutes to download simple minigames, I do not want to think about how long it would take to download a Super Smash Brothers game. And why not just turn your console on and enjoy it on an actual TV and play it how it's meant to be played?
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Hoffy on June 22, 2008, 11:33:00 pm
Yeah, Nintendo should release this game. And release it this year.

Too long has it been since Nintendo has released a good game on the DS.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: NickAVV on June 22, 2008, 11:42:18 pm
Ahem. WiFi? Download play? It would work quite well!
Exactly, the DS has enough multiplayer functions!

It seems pointless to play Super Smash Brothers with your friends over WiFi when they're sitting right next to you, and through my experiences, the Nintendo DS does not have the best built-in WiFi. As for download play, if it takes 5 minutes to download simple minigames, I do not want to think about how long it would take to download a Super Smash Brothers game. And why not just turn your console on and enjoy it on an actual TV and play it how it's meant to be played?

Well, aside from WiFi and Download Play there's still plain old Wireless Multicard. No downloads, no pain. Except for everyone having to have a copy of the game, which is the same for WiFi as well..
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Garoth Moulinoski on June 23, 2008, 12:25:11 am
One of the limitations that comes from the Nintendo DS itself is the screen resolution. To put it simply, the Nintendo DS does not have a big enough screen to play Super Smash Brothers decently. Have you ever tried playing Super Smash Brothers on a screen as small as the one on the Nintendo DS? When the camera zooms out, it is damn near impossible to tell where you are and what you are doing. The resolution would defiantly be one major limitation that they would have to find a way of working around.

Easily solved. Don't zoom out. The stages can be made to be small enough and the bottom screen can sport a "map" of sorts. Also, other players can be indicated by an arrow.

I think you all fail to realize that Super Smash Brothers is not only a single-player game. Are you all honestly telling me that you all want a Super Smash Brothers game that is designed specifically to play it by yourself?

I think you fail to realize that the DS is not a one-player only device. Like others have said, there's more than enough ways to not play by yourself. There's WiFi, multicard local connection, and single card local connection that the DS can provide. I think you weren't around when Super Mario Kart DS and Metroid Prime Hunters came out, really.



I don't understand why people place so many invisible limitations. The only limitations are time, money, space, and interest. That's all, really.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Porkchop on June 23, 2008, 12:35:57 am
One of the limitations that comes from the Nintendo DS itself is the screen resolution. To put it simply, the Nintendo DS does not have a big enough screen to play Super Smash Brothers decently. Have you ever tried playing Super Smash Brothers on a screen as small as the one on the Nintendo DS? When the camera zooms out, it is damn near impossible to tell where you are and what you are doing. The resolution would defiantly be one major limitation that they would have to find a way of working around.

Easily solved. Don't zoom out. The stages can be made to be small enough and the bottom screen can sport a "map" of sorts. Also, other players can be indicated by an arrow.

That or use both screens as a level. So when you go to high parts of the level you'll be on the top screen, lower levels = bottem screens, etc.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Garoth Moulinoski on June 23, 2008, 12:47:11 am
One of the limitations that comes from the Nintendo DS itself is the screen resolution. To put it simply, the Nintendo DS does not have a big enough screen to play Super Smash Brothers decently. Have you ever tried playing Super Smash Brothers on a screen as small as the one on the Nintendo DS? When the camera zooms out, it is damn near impossible to tell where you are and what you are doing. The resolution would defiantly be one major limitation that they would have to find a way of working around.

Easily solved. Don't zoom out. The stages can be made to be small enough and the bottom screen can sport a "map" of sorts. Also, other players can be indicated by an arrow.

That or use both screens as a level. So when you go to high parts of the level you'll be on the top screen, lower levels = bottem screens, etc.

Meh... That can be done but I think it might be confusing for the eye...
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Chippermonkey on June 23, 2008, 02:16:57 am
Ahem. WiFi? Download play? It would work quite well!
Exactly, the DS has enough multiplayer functions!

It seems pointless to play Super Smash Brothers with your friends over WiFi when they're sitting right next to you, and through my experiences, the Nintendo DS does not have the best built-in WiFi. As for download play, if it takes 5 minutes to download simple minigames, I do not want to think about how long it would take to download a Super Smash Brothers game. And why not just turn your console on and enjoy it on an actual TV and play it how it's meant to be played?
You're far too pessimistic.

I've played plenty of games, download play-wise, WiFi, and local wireless and have had no problems. Ever. Speed has been pretty great, actually. The only issue I've ever had was my power going out in the middle of an online pokemon match, killing my wireless router.
Title: Re: Smash Brothers DS please!
Post by: Mirby on June 23, 2008, 07:13:45 pm
One of the limitations that comes from the Nintendo DS itself is the screen resolution. To put it simply, the Nintendo DS does not have a big enough screen to play Super Smash Brothers decently. Have you ever tried playing Super Smash Brothers on a screen as small as the one on the Nintendo DS? When the camera zooms out, it is damn near impossible to tell where you are and what you are doing. The resolution would defiantly be one major limitation that they would have to find a way of working around.

Easily solved. Don't zoom out. The stages can be made to be small enough and the bottom screen can sport a "map" of sorts. Also, other players can be indicated by an arrow.

That or use both screens as a level. So when you go to high parts of the level you'll be on the top screen, lower levels = bottem screens, etc.

I agree. It works well in the Sonic Rush games and Yoshi's Island DS. You're talking about double-tall levels, right? That makes lots of sense.

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