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My simple math homework just got complicated <_<
« on: October 18, 2006, 11:47:17 pm »
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See, there's thing thing called Solving systems using Elimination... and I have examples of how to do it, but it still bamboozles me.
The example question I have is:
2x - 5y = -158
x - y = -40

And I have the answer... but I have no clue it was done.
Can somebody show me step by step please?
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Re: My simple math homework just got complicated...
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2006, 12:40:24 am »
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See, there's thing thing called Solving systems using Elimination... and I have examples of how to do it, but it still bamboozles me.
The example question I have is:
2x - 5y = -158
x - y = -40

And I have the answer... but I have no clue it was done.
Can somebody show me step by step please?


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2x - 5y = -158       = 2x - 5y = -158
x - y = -40            = -2x + 2y = 80

Multiply x - y = -40 by -2 on both sides.

-5y = -158
+2y = 80

x terms cancel out.

-3y = -78

Add together

y = -78/-3 = 26, y = 26

Divide -3 from both sides.

x - 26 = -40

Fill in for y.

x = 26 - 40 = -14, x = -14

Solve for x.

2(-14) - 5(26) = -158
 -28 - 130 = -158 (check)

x = -14, y = 26.
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Re: My simple math homework just got complicated...
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 12:46:02 am »
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x - y = -40            = -2x + 2y = 80
Where did you get the 2y from? :S
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 12:51:26 am »
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x - y = -40            = -2x + 2y = 80
Where did you get the 2y from? :S

By distributing -2 on both sides of the equation.

-2(x - y) = -2(-40)
-2x + 2y = 80
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Re: My simple math homework just got complicated...
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 01:01:43 am »
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See, there's thing thing called Solving systems using Elimination... and I have examples of how to do it, but it still bamboozles me.
The example question I have is:
2x - 5y = -158
x - y = -40

And I have the answer... but I have no clue it was done.
Can somebody show me step by step please?

Man.. I wish I could understand that. XD
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 01:12:37 am »
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Still no clue. Looks like I'm going to have to fess up to my teacher I haven't done a single question on it, and the 30 question assignment is due tomorrow.
Thanks anyways, its just I have trouble understanding math a lot... makes me feel stupid, but oh well.
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Re: My simple math homework just got complicated...
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 01:25:42 am »
The whole goal of elimintion is to get one variable left by using both equation
2x - 5y = -158
x - y = -40

because you already have 2x in the first equation you can multiply the second equation by -2 , (-2)(x-y)=(-2)(-40) which becomes -2x+2y=80, and because you did it to both sides it makes the equation stay equal.

The reason we did that is because -2x and 2x cancel out
  2x-5y=-158
 -2x+2y=80

now just add the x's, then the y's and then finally the solutions (which is why its lined up like that)

and you get -3y=-78

solve it out to get y=26

then just plug y into either equation to get x (which happens to be -14)

I hope this helps at least a little :D

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2006, 01:32:49 am »
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Are you in 7th grade integraded math, cuz that seems like a problem I would have to do.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2006, 02:26:15 am »
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Oh damn, what a coincidence. I re-learned that in Algebra 2 yesterday.

Except I only did like 1 problem on the homework and wrote down random answers for the others. My teacher doesn't care ^_^.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2006, 08:26:03 am »
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Sorry for going off on a tanget

but goddamn i really AM old for this forum <_>
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2006, 02:36:37 pm »
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XD I was thinking the same thing. I did this like three/four years ago.
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2006, 06:41:30 pm »
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lol yes.
This is all so cute!




This is an attempt at an explanation for whats going on, not the way that you woul show the solution:


We know that:

2x - 5y = -158    (lets call this equation 1, eq1 for short)

and

x - y = -40    (lets call this equation 2, eq2 for short)

We can add these two equations eq1 and eq2 like so:

(2x - 5y) + (x - y) = (-158) + (-40)

ie:

2x - 5y + x - y = -158 - 40

ie:

3x - 6y = -118

You can understand that: for example you understand a=b and c=d, then a+c=b+d.
Sub in values for a,b,c,d to prove it if your unsure.
In the same way, we can subtract one from the other, eg: a=b and c=d, then it is true that a-c=b-d



Now, this doesnt really get us anywhere, but a usefull thing about equations, is that you can multiply both sides, for example, if you have a=b, then you also have that 2*a=2*b

What we do here, is multiply eq2 by 2:

such that:

2(x - y) = 2(-40)

ie:

2x - 2y = -80

Why?

Well, look at eq1 again: It has '2x'.
eq2 has just 'x', or '1x'.

If you multiply eq2 by 2, you end up with a '2x' term.

And then, if you subtract eq1 from eq2, or the other way around, somewhere within the equation, you end up with 2x - (2x), which results in 0. AND, as the only variables involved are x and y, this means that all the x terms are removed, and your just left with ay=b (a,b constants)
And so y=b/a


So lets continue:

We will multiply eq2 by 2 (ie use '2x - 2y = -80') and subtract that equation from eq1, ie

eq1 - 2*eq2.

So we have:


(2x - 5y) - (2x - 2y) = (-158) - (-80)

ie:

2x - 5y - 2x - (-2y) = -158 - (-80)

ie:

2x - 2x - 5y + 2y = -158 + 80

ie:

0 - 3y = -78

ie:

-3y = -78

ie:

3y = 78

ie:

y = 78/3

ie:

y = 26




NOW, we know what the value of y is! Hooray!

That means we can replace where 'y' is used in the equations, with the value '26'.

So, eq1 becomes:


2x - 5(26) = -158

and eq2 becomes:

x - (26) = -40

We choose one to work with, and we can use it to find out the value of x.
eq2 is easier, as we don't have to * by 5 and divide by 2 etc.

so

x - (26) = -40

ie:

x = -40 + 26

ie:

x = -14

And now we have both values for x and y, and we are done! Hooray*2.

To be safe, you can check by subbing in/substituting both values for x and y into eq1 and e2, and seeing that it all matches up.



..Notice how we went for multiplying eq2 by 2 to get rid of the x, when we could have instead went for 5*eq2, and got rid of the y term.
This would have been harder, as *2 is easier than *5, of course.

Sometimes youll be multiplying both eq1 and eq2. Sometimes you'll be adding instead of subtracting, for example, say we had x + y = 10 (eq1), x - 2y = 4 (eq2).  Here, we could multiply eq1 by 2, then add eq2, and because eq2 has (-2y), we'd cancel out the y terms and edn up with 2x = 24 etc.

Have a go at those examples if you'r not already in detention doing them >_>.

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Re: My simple math homework just got complicated...
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2006, 12:16:43 am »
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Wow... I wish I understood that.

What grade is this stuff?
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2006, 01:54:27 am »
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Your 13?
Standard stuff here at that age.. Chances are you'll be doing this in a couple of weeks time :D.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2006, 02:39:04 pm »
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Who me? Well I'm in integrated math so I think the ciriculum is getting stuppider if that used to be regular math.
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2006, 02:53:49 pm »
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Ahh, the simplicity of pre-algebra. I guess people here are younger than I thought, "there is this thing called systems of equations." Hehe. Well, I'll explain the easiest two methods I know:

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2x - 5y = -158
x - y = -40
Basically, what you want to do is find a value for x and y that makes BOTH equations true. So I'll go over the two easiest ways: substitution and elimination.

Substitution

Basically, you take either equation and you solve for one of the variables. I'll take the second one and solve for x.

x - y = -40
x = y - 40

I added y to both sides. So I can use this value in the other equation to solve. Since you know now that x is equal to  y - 40, you can use that and get the other equation down to one variable and solve it.

2x - 5y = -158
2(y - 40) - 5y = -158
2y - 80 - 5y = -158
-3y - 80 = -158
-3y = -78
y = 26

Then you take your y value and plug it back into the other equation to find your x value.

x - y = -40
x - 26 = -40
x = -14

So you have x and y.

x = -14
y = 26

Elimination
Basically here, what you are doing here is eliminating variables by getting a coefficient of one othe variables the same in one equation as in the other one and adding the equations together.

2x - 5y = -158
x - y    = -40

So I'll eliminate x first. To do this, I'd want to get a coefficient of x that, when added by 2, would give me 0 in return. Because the coefficient of x in the first equation is 2, a coefficient of -2 would do this. So I'll multiply the whole second equation by -2 to do this.

-2(x - y) = -2(-40)
-2x + 2y = 80

And then I line up the equations like an addition problem and add the entire equations together and eliminate x.

 2x -  5y = -158
-2x + 2y =  80
______________
0x  -  3y = -78

-3y = -78
y = 26

Then you can plug that back in the other original equatoin and get your x value.

This really isn't complicated: I suggest you learn this and learn it well, as you'll be using it much more in high school math. There are countless other ways to solve systems, such as matricies (one of my favorites) or graphing, for instance.
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2006, 03:21:32 pm »
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XD I was thinking the same thing. I did this like three/four years ago.

>.> I did this about 6 years ago
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2006, 07:55:00 pm »
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Who me? Well I'm in integrated math so I think the ciriculum is getting stuppider if that used to be regular math.
Why'd u think i was replying to your post; I'd two posts after your previous post, and was replying to the post previous to mine which was in itself partly in response to my initial post.
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I'm not trying to be mean.. I just don't have a clue why you would have thought that.

I'm in Scotland.. Our maths system, like any, is different from others. Don't worry about it.


What is this integrated math? I've heard a few people mention it..

Is it a preview of applied mathematics?
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2006, 12:19:56 am »
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No idea what aplied mathematics is but it is like, you are not good enough to skip a grade, but you are to smart to be in a regular class, you get integrated, which is about halfway.


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Your 13?
Standard stuff here at that age.. Chances are you'll be doing this in a couple of weeks time :D.
I thought because you were talking about age so well I didn't see anyone else talking about age so I thought you were refering to me being in 7th grade.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2006, 03:13:19 am »
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If you're in the united states, most states got rid of the "Skip a grade" !@#$% because it actually hurts you in teaching you to be social

and i think by "Integrated" you mean "Honors" or "AP" (advanced placement, gets you college credit)
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