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There are many ideas of what happen after you die. Which one do you think? Heaven/Hell? Just Heaven? Reincarnated as a human? Reincarnated as a snail? Ghost? Nothing? Alternate Reality? ??? Profit!?
I think either Reincarnation or Nothing or... a Ghost.
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You go to Hell or Heaven.
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They throw you in a box and toss some dirt on ya.
That's it.
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Nobody knows. :o
Seriously.
I'm guessing nothing, but I'll never know for sure (or will I?).
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I believe that nothing happens. No sight, no feeling, no emotion, no you.... it is so easy to imagine something but when it comes to nothing, the human mind has a hard time contemplating it.... (Which is a reason we turn to religion and hope...) what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
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what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
emo paradise?
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what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
emo paradise?
As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
I take a look at my life and realize there's nothing left
Cause I've been cuttin and crying so long that
Even my mama thinks that my mind is gone
XD
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what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
A My Chemical Romance concert.
Anyway, I believe we either go to Heaven or Hell. Simple as that.
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what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
A My Chemical Romance concert.
Anyway, I believe we either go to Heaven or Hell. Simple as that.
You honestly think that is simple? There are so many complications with this theory. What is heaven or hell like. How are your sins weighed? Does Satan rig the scale so it always tip towards hell?
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what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
A My Chemical Romance concert.
Anyway, I believe we either go to Heaven or Hell. Simple as that.
You honestly think that is simple? There are so many complications with this theory. What is heaven or hell like. How are your sins weighed? Does Satan rig the scale so it always tip towards hell?
If you want me to go in depth with my opinions of what I believe Heaven and Hell are like, I would gladly do so. You see, I believe that each person has their own personal Heaven that caters to what they enjoy and what brings them peace and happiness, provided it isn't something wrong, like killing other people. As for Hell, I do not believe in the whole "pit of fire" ideal. I believe that Hell is like a prison, a place where you will never know happiness or peace. You have no light, no hope, no one to share the pain with. More of a psychological torment than physical.
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what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
emo paradise?
lol Are you implying that emo people can't see?
what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
A My Chemical Romance concert.
Anyway, I believe we either go to Heaven or Hell. Simple as that.
You honestly think that is simple? There are so many complications with this theory. What is heaven or hell like. How are your sins weighed? Does Satan rig the scale so it always tip towards hell?
If you want me to go in depth with my opinions of what I believe Heaven and Hell are like, I would gladly do so. You see, I believe that each person has their own personal Heaven that caters to what they enjoy and what brings them peace and happiness, provided it isn't something wrong, like killing other people. As for Hell, I do not believe in the whole "pit of fire" ideal. I believe that Hell is like a prison, a place where you will never know happiness or peace. You have no light, no hope, no one to share the pain with. More of a psychological torment than physical.
And theSwith, that would be a bit of hell but eventually, you'd get used to it. If you will never know happiness again, then what are you missing? 1000 years in, that emotion will be dead to you, depression will be the norm and you will be sitting there, bored.
Same with the fire-pit version of hell... how many times can you get your balls slowly cut off before it is the same !@#$% experience? Then they could... kill you.... and send you to... detroit?
Time makes fools of us all... even the devil.
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what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
emo paradise?
lol Are you implying that emo people can't see?
what is a world with no colour or shades, with no feeling or emotions?
A My Chemical Romance concert.
Anyway, I believe we either go to Heaven or Hell. Simple as that.
You honestly think that is simple? There are so many complications with this theory. What is heaven or hell like. How are your sins weighed? Does Satan rig the scale so it always tip towards hell?
If you want me to go in depth with my opinions of what I believe Heaven and Hell are like, I would gladly do so. You see, I believe that each person has their own personal Heaven that caters to what they enjoy and what brings them peace and happiness, provided it isn't something wrong, like killing other people. As for Hell, I do not believe in the whole "pit of fire" ideal. I believe that Hell is like a prison, a place where you will never know happiness or peace. You have no light, no hope, no one to share the pain with. More of a psychological torment than physical.
And theSwith, that would be a bit of hell but eventually, you'd get used to it. If you will never know happiness again, then what are you missing? 1000 years in, that emotion will be dead to you, depression will be the norm and you will be sitting there, bored.
Same with the fire-pit version of hell... how many times can you get your balls slowly cut off before it is the same !@#$% experience? Then they could... kill you.... and send you to... detroit?
Time makes fools of us all... even the devil.
That would be enough of a hell already.
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They throw you in a box and toss some dirt on ya.
That's it.
Have my babies, Swiftu?
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They throw you in a box and toss some dirt on ya.
That's it.
Have my babies, Swiftu?
I don't have a uterus..
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I have been thinking in it alot and I have get to one conclusion, well, the last second before you die, you have a dream that never ends( like when you dream and then wake up, and it has just passed one minute.) so, lets say that if you are an assassin , you will dream in hell cause that is what people tell you when you die and thats what your subcoincience will tell you that there is where you should go, so if you believe in reincarnation you will probably beleive you are another human or something like that. thats IMO what happens before you die, when that second happens(which is like ALOT of time) you just die, you stop dreaming thinking. Just my theory.
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I think.. well, since after death you lose.. everything, it's basically just an empty space, psychologically. Even the mind doesn't exist anymore. So I think it's kind of like an echo of the overall aesthetic tenor of your life. Sort of like when you get a faint, dimming ringing in your ears that you only hear if you focus on it. So if you became rich and succesful, but were always greedy and unsatisfied, that's how you'd feel after you die, and it'd be faint, not like a human emotion, but just a sort of ever-present ringing echo of a feeling.
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This is what happens when you die...
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&b=2&vid=412831&gid=444564
He was buried normally with jet black hair and looked like a normal corpse...
Two hours later, the father hadn't seen his son's dead body. He wanted it dug
up and this is what they found after the son being dead for two hours...
CREEPY.....
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I was thinking maybe that dream before you die theory sounds plausible. SO I GET TO BE A GHOST OR REINCARNATED OR MAYBE A ZOMBIE THAZ WHUH I BELIEVE.
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The idea of afterlife is based on mankind's lack of ability to imagine what it is like to not be around. Pretty much the only reason why people believe in reincarnation, a stay in heaven or becoming a ghost is because they can't stand the idea of actually ceasing to exist.
There is nothing after death. Think of it in a scientific way; this planet with its physical laws.. how could a ghost, a translucent or even invisible being that doesn't need to drink or eat have any energy to do, well, anything.
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if you took Jesus as you're savior you're going to heaven and other wise hell >:D
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if you took Jesus as you're savior you're going to heaven and other wise hell >:D
Oh, if it means I don't have to !@#$% hear about that man anymore then hell sounds like a great place. ^.^;
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if you took Jesus as you're savior you're going to heaven and other wise hell >:D
Hell is not sounding that bad anymore.
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if you took Jesus as you're savior you're going to heaven and other wise hell >:D
I truly hope you're kidding, otherwise the only saviour you will be needing is someone who can knock some sense into you.
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if you took Jesus as you're savior you're going to heaven and other wise hell >:D
All aboard for the express train to Hellp :D
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I have always believed that your soul travels to another body, and I still do. I heard that within only a few second of someone dying, a baby is born. Even if that is pure fiction, I still stand by my belief.
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if you took Jesus as you're savior you're going to heaven and other wise hell >:D
Except the whole "God forgives all bla bla bla" talk, damn hypocrite he is, if so.
And myself? Well, I think there's some special thing, call it "soul" or "energy" or whatever you will. And it's that part of us, who makes us US. I also believe it travels to different things, like, reincarnation style n__n
I mean, you could make a robot, an extremely advanced robot, it'd be able to think and act like any human being, but would there be someone behind the eyes of that robot?
Well, it's all just theory anyway to make you fear death less, no one knows.
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I think that after you die you turn into a butterfly :D
Well ... I wish that would be what happened ... :-\
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This topic awesome. I was gonna make it, but you beat me to it. Great thought provoking discussion.
Anyways, can any of you answer me this?
What was it like before you were born?
...Exactly, you can't give a logical answer. It wasn't "blackness", you weren't "waiting to be born", you are nothing. You don't exsit. You have no parts to experience such things as sight, sense of time, heh, heck you don't exist so you can't know or feel/experience anything. Either that also happens when you die, or you go to heaven. I'm still not sure.
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I think that nothing happens after you die. You're gone, you cease to exist. I believe that the thought of an afterlife is just humanity wanting to believe that there is something beyond their life, something greater. The idea of heaven and hell is a common system of punishment and rewards, which encourages you to be a good person with promises of heaven, and discourages you to be a bad person with threats of hell.
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I have a theory on this, but it's pretty complex. I formed it from hours of sleepless nights, multiple religious beliefs, and my own reasoning and philosophy. If you want to talk to me more about it (you might want to) just PM me, or nudge me to start a thread.
So we start at point A, we're created. Soul breaks off of God, enters a body, body becomes sentient.
Body crumbles, body is no longer suited for sentience, body dies, (now modified) soul returns to God. After that what happens? You combine with other pieces of souls and reincarnate? Or maybe you enter a "heavenly" state?
Yeah. This idea is very close to the Hindu idea of "Returning to Brahman". Of course in my mind it's different. I believe that God is a giant soul/brain made out of absolutely everything in the universe. The soul is what makes a being sentient. The soul is what makes us want to question the existence of a soul. Pretty much a a "godly" quality behind a being manifested into a body, as opposed a less-soulable object.
Yeah... So I think I'm on my way to finding the meaning of life. I do a lot of !@#$% when I should be studying.
Lotsa ideas in my skull. I want to share them.
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Why would anyone have sentience after death? All brain activity stops after you die. That's why they call it 'death'.
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Why would anyone have sentience after death? All brain activity stops after you die. That's why they call it 'death'.
Exactly. Only a handful of people seem to realize that if there truly is something as a 'soul' we wouldn't have any need for a brain.
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I believe the soul is what makes you sentient. But without your brain, you still can't think.
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I believe the soul is what makes you sentient. But without your brain, you still can't think.
I believe you should read up a bit on neuroscience. Our brain allows us to do far more than just controlling our body and giving us the ability to think.
The brain makes us sentient, giving us the illusion that we have consciousness, "free will" and are in control of ourselves. Actually, we're robots.. controlled by our own brain cells that are programmed to act in a certain way and respond to certain hormones and substances.
I know that this is a somewhat mind-boggling concept to accept, but it's no less than consensus among neuroscientists. Look it up if you refuse to take it from me.
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This is what happens when you die...
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&b=2&vid=412831&gid=444564
He was buried normally with jet black hair and looked like a normal corpse...
Two hours later, the father hadn't seen his son's dead body. He wanted it dug
up and this is what they found after the son being dead for two hours...
CREEPY.....
Wtfux. I !@#$% bricks.
Anyways. This thread is made out of win and good.
I like Dracon's theory but I honestly think after you die you don't go to heaven or hell... you don't have an afterlife, you don't become a ghost. You just die. You don't exist anymore. Dead, gone, nothing.
You become nothing just like you were nothing before you were born. It's kind of mind-boggling to think that one day. You will be dead. You will die. And you will never know you were ever alive. Heck, you won't even know anything because you won't be anything. You'll just be NOTHING.
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I believe the soul is what makes you sentient. But without your brain, you still can't think.
I believe you should read up a bit on neuroscience. Our brain allows us to do far more than just controlling our body and giving us the ability to think.
The brain makes us sentient, giving us the illusion that we have consciousness, "free will" and are in control of ourselves. Actually, we're robots.. controlled by our own brain cells that are programmed to act in a certain way and respond to certain hormones and substances.
I know that this is a somewhat mind-boggling concept to accept, but it's no less than consensus among neuroscientists. Look it up if you refuse to take it from me.
Gives us the illusion huh? Who or what exactly is it then, that receives the illusion?
Hmmm....
Anyway, I don't get the "cease to exist" thing. If that were true, then our existence to begin with was an illusion anyway. Life, and death, would both mean nothing.
Thar.
I devote myself to finding a meaning in life. Why? Because that's the only thing worth devoting life to. It's either that or become a serial killer.
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Judging by what I know about science I think that there is a soul but not in the traditionale sense. call It "Soul" or "Energy" or whatever you want - ( To make things simple I will be using the word "Energy" ) - but when you die there is something that's gone. Now I think that this "thing" that is gone is is just like another type of electricity.
One that keeps the human body running and is then passed on after death. all things contain energy and after you die your body is absorbed by plants and small animals which then take the energy with them. passing it on to other things.
What I don't believe is that this energy controlls behavior like some say the soul would.
I agree for the most part with NeoGeo-x about us being robots with the brain controlling all of our actions and thoughts.
As for the meaning of life, I think that there is no great purpose other than to enjoy life as much as possible and to bring joy to other people. kind of like that group in WW that puts flower pots on all those little pedestals XD
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Gives us the illusion huh? Who or what exactly is it then, that receives the illusion?
Hmmm....
The brain itself obviously. Our thoughts are just a chemical process.
Anyway, I don't get the "cease to exist" thing. If that were true, then our existence to begin with was an illusion anyway. Life, and death, would both mean nothing.
So you don't believe in the "cease to exist"-theory just because you don't like the way it sounds? The truth can't be bent to please a particular person. It's the way it is, just accept it.
I devote myself to finding a meaning in life. Why? Because that's the only thing worth devoting life to. It's either that or become a serial killer.
Oh yeah, everyone who doesn't believe in afterlife is a potential serial killer. Grow up.
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I devote myself to finding a meaning in life. Why? Because that's the only thing worth devoting life to. It's either that or become a serial killer.
Where'd you get that idea from? o.o According to you, I'm a serial killer...
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You rot down to the bones. Then you become a fossil :)
That's only if the conditions are right- otherwise your bones just rot.
I have multiple beliefs of the afterlife. My main belief is similar to EasyD's, only your life force or whatever isn't passed on. Another person is born, and it views the world through a first person perspective. Just like us. So it's like you're born again into a different body, only it's not you- rather it somehow becomes you. It's another life that you live- only it's not you living it. I really can't explain it.
And whoever wished to become a butterfly- they die in 24 hours. I'm not sure about the huge rainforest ones though.
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Okay, guess I'll jump on into this...
Even though I am posting this, I am kind of having a crisis over what I believe,but here is
what I used to say:
First, I am a Christian based on the beliefs of Jesus as my Savior,not as in good deeds.
I believe that once who have truely accepted Jesus as your personal Savior, you are saved.
When you die and you are saved, you go to a "Heaven". It is not the true heaven because
God Himself somewhat says that in a way the real Heaven is not until after the final battle against Satan about 1000 years after the Tribulation/End Times.
Second, I believe those that are not Christians do not goto hell when they die. Instead, it
is like a purgatory or prison you cannot escape. When the Great White Throne Judgment takes place,
each man is judged according to his deeds. Those that are saved do not need to worry, because they
accepted that Jesus died to pay for what they had done. Those who are not saved are tainted completely even by just one sin. 100 good deeds cannot make up for 1 bad deed. After the End Times,
then the "Hell" as what we think is opened and Satan is cast into it along with the unbelievers.
Again, that is what I used to say, but I feel that God has left me and I am trying to find myself and what I believe right now in my life.
Pretty much:I got screwed when I trusted God with my life and followed the Bible down to the point where I was losing my friends when I was in Highschool.
Hey, I stopped being "Christian-like" and guess what...I still get screwed over...so what's the difference?
Sorry for the off-topic rant...I did grow up in a Baptist school by the way.
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Oh, by the way guys, the whole serial killer thing is just me.
Yeah.
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Gives us the illusion huh? Who or what exactly is it then, that receives the illusion?
Hmmm....
The brain itself obviously. Our thoughts are just a chemical process.
Anyway, I don't get the "cease to exist" thing. If that were true, then our existence to begin with was an illusion anyway. Life, and death, would both mean nothing.
So you don't believe in the "cease to exist"-theory just because you don't like the way it sounds? The truth can't be bent to please a particular person. It's the way it is, just accept it.
I devote myself to finding a meaning in life. Why? Because that's the only thing worth devoting life to. It's either that or become a serial killer.
Oh yeah, everyone who doesn't believe in afterlife is a potential serial killer. Grow up.
Holy !@#$%.
Way to force your opinion. "THIS IS THE TRUTH. JUST ACCEPT IT"
You really need to learn to respect others opinions and try and see their point of view and where there coming from.
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I don't believe I'll die, and until someone can prove me wrong, I don't care.
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I dont really give a !@#$%. I'm not planning on dieing anytime soon. So I'll worry about it more closer to the time.
/me walks outside and gets hit by a bus
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I don't believe in neither heaven nor hell. I believe we'll probably, well, float around like ghosts, yet incapable of concious thought :O
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I always liked the concept of reincarnation, it was neat. It can't really be proven though, its neat none the less.
Maybe you just die?
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I don't believe I'll die, and until someone can prove me wrong, I don't care.
Lol. Are you a highlander?
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I don't believe I'll die, and until someone can prove me wrong, I don't care.
Lol. Are you a highlander?
No-one knows. Isaac- you. Me. Outside. Now. THERE CAN ONLY BE 1 OLOLOL!
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I don't believe I'll die, and until someone can prove me wrong, I don't care.
Lol. Are you a highlander?
No-one knows. Isaac- you. Me. Outside. Now. THERE CAN ONLY BE 1 OLOLOL!
LOL!!! SO HARD
"THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!!!"
Oh man.. I'm so glad someone got that XD
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I don't believe I'll die, and until someone can prove me wrong, I don't care.
!@#$% win.
So I had this dream last night that I discovered the meaning of life, and then got hit by a truck because I didn't look both ways first.
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When you die, you'll turn into computer bytes (O_O)
Edit: Seriously...
For the past thirty years, thousands of people have reported experiencing what are called near death experiences (NDEs). NDEs are encounters where a person, being in full awareness, leaves the body and enters another world. Such experiences have resulted in life transformation in many individuals. What are we to make of these accounts?
Let us understand that NDEs come from those who have been clinically dead, not biologically dead. In clinical death, external life signs such as consciousness, pulse, and breathing cease. In such cases, biological death results if no steps are taken to reverse the process. Biological death, on the other hand, is not affected by any amount of attention, for it is physically irreversible.
The NDE accounts occur at various stages of clinical death. Some occur when the patient is comatose, very close to death, or pronounced clinically dead. Other accounts occur when the patient's heart stops beating. Others occur while the patient's brain ceases to register any activity on the EEG monitor. There have not been any cases of biological or irreversible death for a significant amount of time followed by a resurrection.
What has intrigued scientists and theologians in their study of NDEs is that many of the patients have similar experiences. These include leaving the body and watching from above as doctors work on it, entering a dark tunnel, seeing light, seeing others, meeting a spirit being, experiencing peace, and then returning to the body.
Scientists and doctors from various worldviews have sought to explain this phenomenon. Those from an atheistic worldview have sought to give naturalistic explanations. Their explanations range from hallucination induced by medication, chemical reactions the brain experiences in near death crises, previous encounters long forgotten, and others. These fall short of explaining NDE events.
Many NDEs have occurred without medication. Drowning victims are one example. Also, thousands of NDE victims were able to clearly describe places and people with exact detail while they were clinically dead. One girl, while near dead, was able to describe what her family did that night at home, what was made for dinner, where everyone sat and even what was said. Others were able to describe in detail objects in rooms nearby and far away from them. One patient described a shoe on the rooftop of a hospital. When the nurses looked, they found the shoe exactly as described. A boy in an accident involving his brother and mother told those around him moments before he died, "They are waiting for me now." The doctor discovered that at that exact time in another hospital the boy's mother and brother had just died. Dr. Gary Habermas and J.P. Moreland provide a comprehensive discussion of NDEs in their book Beyond Death, arguing that naturalistic explanations cannot satisfactorily explain the events that occur in NDEs.
NDEs may not conclusively prove there is a heaven or hell, but they do indicate that at death the soul separates from the body, and that a person's spirit is conscious and coherent at death.
However, NDEs do not accurately reflect what lies beyond the grave. NDEs deal with accounts that give a short glimpse behind the curtain of death and therefore they give us an incomplete picture. Colossians 1:18 tells us that Jesus "is the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy." Christ overcame biological death and lives forevermore as ruler over all creation. His supremacy over everything was established through His resurrection. Also, we know that Satan masquerades as an angel of light and can produce counterfeit appearances. It is imperative that we evaluate all experiences in light of Scripture.
Can We Communicate with the Dead?
Do the spirits of the dead have the ability to communicate with the living? One of the most popular current TV shows is "Crossing Over," with psychic John Edward. He, like other psychics, claims to have the ability to communicate with the spirits of the deceased. He amazes spectators with his ability to reveal details about which only the deceased loved one may have known. From this communication, people attempt to receive comfort, advice, and encouragement.
The Bible teaches that communication with the dead is not possible. Throughout the Bible God commands His people not to indulge in the practice of necromancy, the art of communicating with the dead.
Deuteronomy 18:10-11 states,
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead . . .
The Canaanites consulted spirits and the dead in hopes of gaining power and predicting future events. This practice is an abomination to God and it is for this reason the Canaanites were ejected from the land. Israel was warned not to imitate the Canaanites or they too would suffer a similar fate.
Contacting the dead is forbidden because the spirits of the dead cannot contact the living. In Luke 16, the rich man who was suffering in hell sought a way to communicate with his living family to warn them of their fate. However, he was not able to communicate in any way nor could the living communicate with him.
Who, then, are mediums and spiritists contacting? If they are indeed contacting a spiritual being, it is most likely a demonic counterfeit. Although the demonic spirit may communicate some truths, the ultimate intention of the spirit is to deceive and take one away from the Lord. This practice can ultimately lead to demonic possession and injury to the person.
In Acts 16:16 Paul encountered girl who could predict the future because a spirit possessed her. Knowing this, Paul eventually cast the spirit out of the girl. Throughout the Bible the practice of necromancy is forbidden.
Some will try to defend necromancy by pointing to 1 Samuel 28. Here Saul requests the Witch of Endor to call up Samuel from the grave. The spirit of Samuel arises and delivers a prophetic message to Saul. Bible scholars take two views on this. Some believe it was a demonic counterfeit masquerading as Samuel. I believe since the prophecy given came to pass, this was indeed Samuel the prophet. Despite Saul's disobedience to God, God made an exception here.
Whichever view you take, it is clear this verse does not encourage one to consult mediums. Saul at this point in his life was out of God's will and because the Spirit of God had left him, he could not receive any word from God. In desperation, he disobeyed God as was the pattern of his life and suffered the consequence. His story teaches us a lesson and is not an example to follow.
One Minute After Death
What happens when we breathe our final breath? The Bible teaches what will occur.
First our immaterial soul and spirit will be separated from our physical body. Second, we will immediately receive the judgment that will determine our eternal destiny. Those who have trusted in Christ's payment on the cross for our sins will enter into eternal life in the presence of God. 2 Corinthians 5:8 states, "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." There will be no delay in a state of unconsciousness many call "soul sleep." We will immediately be in God's presence.
Second, the soul in heaven is made perfect in holiness and our old sin nature is eradicated. Hebrews 12:23 mentions "the spirits of righteous men made perfect." The spirits of the saints are in heaven and they have been made perfect. The struggle with sin that Paul described and all Christians fight comes to an end forever when we, after death, enter our glorified state.
Those who reject this gift, will receive what they have chosen, eternity separated from God in Hell. Hebrews 9:27 states, "Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment." There is no second chance and there is no cycle of reincarnation. Our eternal destiny is determined by the decision we make for Christ here on earth.
Many assume that after receiving Christ all that remains is a joyful entrance into heaven. Scripture teaches that Jesus will reward us according to how we lived our life on earth. He taught this principle in the parable of the talents in Luke 19. Each servant was entrusted to administer the talents the master gave him. Upon the return of the master, each servant had to give an account for his stewardship. The wise servants were rewarded doubly while the wicked servant was removed.
The lesson for the Christian is that each of us will give an account for our time here on earth. This is not the same as being judged on our salvation status. Christ's death on the cross allows all who believe to enter God's kingdom. We will be judged on our works done since the time of our salvation. This judgment of believers is called the Bema Seat judgment. This event is described in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15:
For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds upon the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it, because it is to be revealed with fire; and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work, which he has built upon it, remains, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire.
Paul states that Christ is our foundation. Our works are the building on this foundation. The materials of gold, silver, and precious stones refer to works done with pure motives for the glory of God. The works of wood, hay, and straw are works done with the wrong motives to glorify self.
At the Bema Seat, our works will be tested with divine fire. Those works that were done for the glory of God will endure the flames and will be our reward. Some will regretfully see all their works on earth burned up before their eyes and enter heaven with little or no reward.
The unbeliever will be judged and sentenced to hell. At the end of the age, he faces the Great White Throne judgment. Here, all the unrighteous dead from the beginning of time are judged based on their rejection of the Savior. They are then thrown into the lake of fire for eternity. Revelation 20:11-15 says:
And I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and the books were opened; . . . and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. . . . And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Knowing that as Christians we will one day give an account for our lives, we should live as wise stewards over what God has given us. Knowing the fate of the unsaved should fill us with boldness to share Christ unashamedly, with urgency to all. Knowing what lies beyond the grave should motivate us to live life on earth with a mission.
What Will We Be Like in Heaven?
Upon our physical death, the soul is separated from the body and enters immediately into the presence of the Lord. Looking again at Paul's words in 2 Corinthians 5:8, he says, "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord." The soul in heaven is made perfect in holiness and our old sin nature is eradicated. As discussed above, Hebrews 12:23 mentions "the spirits of righteous men made perfect." The spirits of the saints are in heaven and they have been made perfect. The struggle that Paul and all Christians fight with sin comes to an end forever when we, after death, enter our glorified state.
We will not remain in heaven as a soul without a body. At God's appointed time, there will be a final resurrection where the spirit will be unified with the resurrected body. Although Christians have various views on when this resurrection will take place, we all agree on the resurrection of the body. What will the resurrected body look like?
Philippians 3:20-21 says, "And we eagerly await a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body." 1 John 3:2 promises, "But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is."
From these two passages we know that our glorified bodies will be like that of Christ. We will not be deified, but we will have the same qualities of His resurrection body. First, our heavenly bodies will be our glorified earthly bodies. Christ's body that died on the cross was the same one that was resurrected. His glorified body was able to travel through walls, appear suddenly, and ascend to heaven.
2 Corinthians 5:1 reads, "[W]e have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands." The hands of God will make the resurrected body. 1 Corinthians 15:39-40, 42b-43 tells us:
All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. . . . The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
In answering the mockers of the resurrection, Paul explains that our heavenly bodies will possess flesh that is of a different variety than our earthly ones. They will be bodies of flesh, but as different from our earthly bodies as humans are from animals.
We further conclude that, like a seed, the body will be sown or buried and then one day be raised to life. It is buried in death, decay, weakness, and dishonor. When it is resurrected, it will be changed in every way. It is raised imperishable, glorious, powerful, and spiritual. We will then have eternal, permanent, and perfected bodies.
We will also maintain our identities. In Luke 16:23, Lazarus, the rich man, and Abraham all retained their identity. Imagine, one day we will no longer struggle with the weakness of sin, sickness, and aging. A great future is in store for those in Christ.
What Will We Do in Heaven?
What will we do in heaven for all eternity? Some envision playing golf for eternity, while others envision saints floating on clouds strumming harps of gold. Although great thoughts, they fall short of the glorious future that actually awaits those in Christ. We are told relatively little about what activities will occur in heaven. We are only given a brief glimpse of our life to come.
First, the moment that saints of all the ages anticipate is seeing the Lord they served face to face. This will be the first and greatest moment after physical death. From then on we will have fellowship in His presence for all eternity.
Second, our life in heaven involves worship. A vivid picture is found in Revelation 19:1-5:
After this I heard what seemed to be the mighty voice of a great multitude in heaven, crying, "Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for true and just are his judgments. . . ." And again they shouted, "Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever." And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshipped God who was seated on the throne, saying, "Amen. Hallelujah." Then a voice came from the throne saying: "Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him both small and great."
Like the sound of roaring waters comes the praise from the saints of all ages. Recently the men from our church described the experience of singing the hymn How Great Thou Art at a Promise Keepers conference. Nothing they said could accurately describe that majestic experience. The closest they could come to putting it into words was, "Awesome! Just awesome!" Can you imagine what it will be like when we sing "Holy, Holy, Holy" along with the saints of all ages in the presence of God? Our worship here is preparation for our future, grand worship in heaven.
Third is the aspect of rest. Heavenly rest here does not mean a cessation from activity, but the experience of reaching a goal of crucial importance. In Hebrews 4:9-11 the writer, addressing the people of God states, "There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his." Heaven is the final goal reached after our pilgrimage here on earth. We will rest from our sufferings and struggles against sickness, the flesh, the world, and the devil.
Fourth, we will serve the Lord. Luke 19:11-27 teaches a parable about stewardship. The wise servants who multiplied their master's talents were given rule over ten and five cities. Revelation 22:3 tells us, "The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city and his servants will serve him." In 1 Corinthians 6:3 Paul rebukes the carnal Christians who cannot settle their own disputes and asks them, "Do you not know that we will judge angels?" In Revelation 3:21 the Lord Jesus promises, "To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on His throne." Apparently we will be given authority over a sphere in God's eternal kingdom. How much we are given depends on our faithfulness to Him on this earth.
Fifth, we will experience fellowship with God and with one another. One of the most painful experiences in life is to say goodbye. Whether it is to see loved ones move to another residence or because of death, farewells are a painful time. For the Christian, there is hope in knowing, our goodbyes are not permanent. One day we will meet again and this time we will never say goodbye again. What awaits the believer after death is a glorious future that cannot truly be imagined!
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I'm afraid I only read the first half of that incredibly long edit, TRD, but I think it's safe to say that it's not a satisfactory debate for non-Christians, as it constantly quotes and references the Bible. However, I do think some good points and views were made in it, yet it has only confused me further.
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Nice copypasta from wikipedia. I read the NDE article a while ago after I got obsessed with Lucid Dreaming and Life Reviews and MILD and WILD. That !@#$%'s so crazy.
When it got to the bible quotes I just thought 'tl;dr'
So yah. i didn't read the second half. Maybe you should summarize it?
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Nice TRD...You should become a preacher!Seriously!
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I only read a few paragraphs and can tell that it's full of !@#$%.
random religious copypasta ftfl.
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For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds upon the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it, because it is to be revealed with fire; and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work, which he has built upon it, remains, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire.
Paul states that Christ is our foundation. Our works are the building on this foundation. The materials of gold, silver, and precious stones refer to works done with pure motives for the glory of God. The works of wood, hay, and straw are works done with the wrong motives to glorify self.
At the Bema Seat, our works will be tested with divine fire. Those works that were done for the glory of God will endure the flames and will be our reward. Some will regretfully see all their works on earth burned up before their eyes and enter heaven with little or no reward.
This doesn't work because if all of your deeds in life are done with the thought of rewards after death than they can't possibly be for the glory of god.
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For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds upon the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it, because it is to be revealed with fire; and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work, which he has built upon it, remains, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire.
Paul states that Christ is our foundation. Our works are the building on this foundation. The materials of gold, silver, and precious stones refer to works done with pure motives for the glory of God. The works of wood, hay, and straw are works done with the wrong motives to glorify self.
At the Bema Seat, our works will be tested with divine fire. Those works that were done for the glory of God will endure the flames and will be our reward. Some will regretfully see all their works on earth burned up before their eyes and enter heaven with little or no reward.
This doesn't work because if all of your deeds in life are done with the thought of rewards after death than they can't possibly be for the glory of god.
HOLY !@#$%. WIN
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For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds upon the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it, because it is to be revealed with fire; and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work, which he has built upon it, remains, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire.
Paul states that Christ is our foundation. Our works are the building on this foundation. The materials of gold, silver, and precious stones refer to works done with pure motives for the glory of God. The works of wood, hay, and straw are works done with the wrong motives to glorify self.
At the Bema Seat, our works will be tested with divine fire. Those works that were done for the glory of God will endure the flames and will be our reward. Some will regretfully see all their works on earth burned up before their eyes and enter heaven with little or no reward.
This doesn't work because if all of your deeds in life are done with the thought of rewards after death than they can't possibly be for the glory of god.
HOLY !@#$%. WIN
It's good to see that someone else can appreciate the many flaws found in the Bible.
Edit: Hey I got a "Win" from Issac! I must have said something smart XD
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For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds upon the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it, because it is to be revealed with fire; and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work, which he has built upon it, remains, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire.
Paul states that Christ is our foundation. Our works are the building on this foundation. The materials of gold, silver, and precious stones refer to works done with pure motives for the glory of God. The works of wood, hay, and straw are works done with the wrong motives to glorify self.
At the Bema Seat, our works will be tested with divine fire. Those works that were done for the glory of God will endure the flames and will be our reward. Some will regretfully see all their works on earth burned up before their eyes and enter heaven with little or no reward.
This doesn't work because if all of your deeds in life are done with the thought of rewards after death than they can't possibly be for the glory of god.
HOLY !@#$%. WIN
It's good to see that someone else can appreciate the many flaws found in the Bible.
Edit: Hey I got a "Win" from Issac! I must have said something smart XD
That's just such amazing irony... I'm going to have to say that one time when someone is arguing to me about how the bible is right all the time lol >_<
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Can we perhaps shut the !@#$% up about the !@#$% Bible in this thread? -.- This topic is for what you think what happens after death, NOT what the Bible dictates you should think about it.
Seriously..
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I think when you die, you enter the mind of some anime/manga artist and how you were in life, he
designs a character based on it. If it is worth drawing and making a story out of....
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I think when you die, you enter the mind of some anime/manga artist and how you were in life, he
designs a character based on it. If it is worth drawing and making a story out of....
I'm assuming you were joking. if so LOL! XD
If not please don't hate me.
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Perhaps after you die you something more significant. I am still working with this idea but it may have potentions. ...Potential. XD
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I think when you die, you enter the mind of some anime/manga artist and how you were in life, he
designs a character based on it. If it is worth drawing and making a story out of....
I'm assuming you were joking. if so LOL! XD
If not please don't hate me.
I AM AS SERIOUS AS SEGA MAKING ANOTHER CONSOLE... ::)
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I personally say: Nothing, because you are dead. The brain is, as hard as it is for people to understand it, all we are. No spirit, no soul, just some complex thing in our skulls. We are our brain, our body is just an extension of us. No brain, no us.
In fact, we don't even have nothing, because nothing means they is a something.
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unfortunately, Moldopedoism has no current theory on this mater, So I must think for myself.
If nothing happened, then you'd just enter a sub-reality based off your current state... So you might be dead now and not even realise it. D:
So, basically, you shut down. If we reincarnated, then we'd know it. We'd already be reincarnated. And if we didn't know, it'd be the same as just shutting down... just getting a new image.
,;Sk;,
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I remember hearing some obscure pseudo-science which may actually be based on Quantum Physics somewhere along the line. Possibly the theory that every choice you make creates alternate universes where you make the other choices.
It basically said that our mind will always when given a chance of not dying vs the chance of dying follow the universe where you don't die.
As interesting a concept as that is, it stinks of pseudo-science and general BS.
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I think when you die, you enter the mind of some anime/manga artist and how you were in life, he
designs a character based on it. If it is worth drawing and making a story out of....
I like that one. Not very probable but...
Hey, you know, if people can think that we rose out of a mess of bumping particles, why can't they believe that? Matter of factly, this is more probable than that.
o_O
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your courpse rots in the ground...heheheh just kidding!
i actually don't know i would hope that either
a) you get reborn as another human or animal
or b) you become an angel(or devil) and live in heaven(or hell) for all of eternity.
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I heard a theory that all thoughts your brain makes are kept in an alternate universe where your brain then gets them from. But on another subject we must make the different possibilities of what could be after death:
1.Everything you ever wanted
2.Everything you ever wanted if you were a good person (and nothingness or some other fate if you werent)
3.Everything you ever wanted if you follow X religious figure (and nothingness or some other fate, usually worse, if you were not)
4.Nothingness
5.Become a ghost/spirit/ghoul of some sort.
6.Reincarnation (whether to animal or human)
7.Waking up to a higher reality
But really the two most apparent choices that could be are 1.You exist and know you do 2.You don't exist at all. Personally I would go with number 1, but I am just a human and when I think about death I must remember everything will die and I'm no different.
Also that one video with that boy...that was damn creepy. I was expecting there to be like a face just scream at you out of no where...I thought it was one of those kind of videos...still. Creepy.
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Well... I beleif that the body is like a car. It has an engine, runs and travels places but only when a driver is present. The driver would be your spirit or sould or whatever you want to call it. What really keeps you alive, once again by my philosiphy, is your spirit. Not your heart, brain or organs. But thats not to say you need those to allow your body to actually funtion.
Now, when 1 dies, the spirit leaves the body. Thusly, god and your spirit take a brief look back upon your life. What you did good, bad, wrong and right. God decides if you go to heaven or hell and thats were your spirit will go.
Though I do sort of beleive in reincarnation... Maybe if I'm really good in this life, I can be reincarnated as a horse! :3 A wild stallion out in some nice, bright, grassy plains. Man, I'd be such a playa', nowuti'm sayin? I'd be pimpin' all ma' mares(Female horse) evera' day and stuff... I'd also want lazer vision, so I can fend off people trying to tame me.
Now THATS the life... of actual horse Uma. :P
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I believe in Heaven and Hell.
But the fact that you go to both. Let me explain:
In the bible, it says that Jesus went to hell for 3 days and then rose to earth. So I believe that whatever your sins where, you have to spend the many of days in hell, healing those sins, because you failed to ask for god's fogiveness in your humanly body. But after you served those days in hell, you can go to heaven and enjoy life after death.
You are probably wondering "Then why did Jesus spend three days in hell?". Well what my theory is: Jesus' three falls when carrying the cross. Each time he fell, he wanted to give up more and more(because he was a human, so he felt this). And to him, giving up, would be giving up love, and life. So that would be a sin.
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Nice copypasta from wikipedia. I read the NDE article a while ago after I got obsessed with Lucid Dreaming and Life Reviews and MILD and WILD. That !@#$%'s so crazy.
When it got to the bible quotes I just thought 'tl;dr'
So yah. i didn't read the second half. Maybe you should summarize it?
It wasn't copypasta from Wiki, but from another site... Ha! ;)
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Theres the idea that Earth is Hell, and that hwne you die you move onto Heav'n. But, I don't believe that, All I think is that you die and well just stop existing.
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Earth is Hell because we don't seek to make it our heaven.
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Plenty of people want earth to be like heaven...and others don't I guess...I don't know where I'm going with this... :(
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Plenty of people want earth to be like heaven...and others don't I guess...I don't know where I'm going with this... :(
The moral is: don't try.
What happens when you die? You go into a big building where you get your own apartment filled with video tapes of everything that happened in your life, and you have to watch every second of it. After that, you can go back to earth as a different person or animal depending how much of your life you fast-forwarded through. If instead of watching you life you let it play while you ate pizza and knitted, you'll come back as a rat. If you watched most of it, but you rewound the good parts because they looked funny backwards, you'd come back as either an eagle or a mammoth. If you watch it all, you have the choice of coming back as a ghost hiding in walkie-talkies or a superhero with power that when used burn off your fingers. There are exceptions, it's all very complicated.
Thanks for asking, though.
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It would be just like sleeping probably. You know when you wake up, you can never remember the moment of being asleep, except when you dream. This feeling of 'nothing'-nes.
I'd say it's a realistic way for an organism to end it's lifespan. Simply - nothing. Just nothing, simple as that. Heaven, and especially Hell are things thought up by humans for an explenation or perhaps a way for people to behave so they will not be punished later etc.
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In english right now we are discussing the concepts of good and evil and the teacher was posing the question, are humans originally evil and perform good things or are humans originally good and perform evil. This is IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND OUT. Thats right, and you wanna know why? Because we can't read each others minds. Everybody has a differing opinion...the common concept is that we should do unto others as we should have done to us and that is probably the only thing I can find even close to a universal good.
Hey do you think that maybe...just maybe, we are already dead? That would be weird...
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I bet that you'd see things you've done in your like in 3rd person.
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This is IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND OUT.
Theoretically, no it isn't. If a subject was to experience total brain death for a set period of time, and was then resuscitated, It could technically prove different theories. Requiring many people of different backgrounds to volunteer suicide, and the riskiness of fixing brain death... It's improbable, but not impossible.
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The downside is that the brain can try to fill in 'gaps' in it's memory with whatever it expects to have happened.
People have gone to hell, heaven, Hawaii, Spain, the Moon and more.
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unfortunately, Moldopedoism has no current theory on this mater, So I must think for myself.
If nothing happened, then you'd just enter a sub-reality based off your current state... So you might be dead now and not even realise it. D:
So, basically, you shut down. If we reincarnated, then we'd know it. We'd already be reincarnated. And if we didn't know, it'd be the same as just shutting down... just getting a new image.
,;Sk;,
Moldopedoism DOES have a theory on this. We just have not updated the site. Although I no longer believe in Moldopedoism I will share with you the thoughts. This is also the first time I admit to not believing in the religion I helped make. According to Moldopedoism when you die, you die and thats all there is to say. Unless you die with your Happy Maxed Out! Then you go to the Unoverse to life your afterlife. Probably as a pokemon. That is what Moldopedoists think at least.
[/quote]Earth is Hell because we don't seek to make it our heaven.
Seconded.
What I was saying earlier about my idea of us becoming something more significant... I have not really thought much about it but here goes,
What if when we die we find out that Earth is meaningless. Or the Universe is meaningless. Think about it, what is the meaning of life? It really does not seem like there is one. The answer to everything? There is no answer to everything. At least not everything we can comprehend. I am sure that everything has a deeper meaning. It can't just be for nothing. All this just to die and find out there is nothing after death and nothing has meaning. This may seem like I am confirming a god of some sorts. As the deeper meaning. Gods and Religion are just made up to try and explain things that have no known explanation. Like what is after death. Religion probably evolved from myths which were created to explain things that we could not explain. Myths nobody believes because now we can explain those things. But many believe religion because it explains things we cannot explain. And back then people had no other explanation for things. So they believed the myths. I don't think we are anywhere close to the time frame where we will understand the sort of things religion explains. I think religions are myths of sorts. I think that when you die then time means nothing and the actual meaning of things are revealed.
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Amen to that. ^^^
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The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.
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The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.
I think I've read that somewhere before... dawkins?
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Yeah, it's a quote from Richard Dawkins. Can't remember where from exactly.
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Amen to that. ^^^
^_^
Now the question is, what is the deeper meaning?
(what you are about to read is a long boring essay on something that the author of the essay does not exactly believe himself.)
First off you would not remember anything of your life. Otherwise you would somehow still be connected spiritually to the Universe and Earth. When you die you are not a person anymore. Not an animal. The deeper meaning could very possibly still live, but not the way humans think of life. It would be more of an importance to life. In this possible after life there would be nothing to see, hear, smell, touch, or taste. Maybe dying awakens some sort of 6th sense.
(i kan c ded peple olo) As I said earlier time would be irrelevant in the after life. Because there is no time nothing can happen in a set order thus diminishing the possibility of fate, at least once you die. Because the belief in fate is that there is already a set order of everything to happen as there has always been. The set order is being carried out. Let's say fate does exist. When you die you might become an author of fate. Without realizing of course. This is one possibility of the deeper meaning. Writing the fate of the universe. Every dead soul; animal, human, alien... Writing this fate. Could there be an end to it? Of course not. But it might eventually lead to the destruction of the Universe. Then what? They would keep writing. And I can't say they would write forever. Because there is no time. Now I doubt this is the deeper meaning. As I type this I realize it can't be so simple. This basically proves the belief in Gods. Everyone who dies is a God kind of. But I don't believe that. What I am saying is that this is just one very unlikely possibility of the after life. Sorry for wasting your time. !@#$% olo.
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Have you considered that its not unlike sleeping in that you sort of aren't with it. maybe you get a new brain like super upgrade, that would be cool. I believe it has to be the same as birth, start is the same as the beginning, you remember nothing, makes sense to me.
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You honestly think that is simple? There are so many complications with this theory. What is heaven or hell like. How are your sins weighed? Does Satan rig the scale so it always tip towards hell?
there aren't any complications with this...
it's quite simple, heaven is eternal paradise with God, hell is eternal suffering. and sin weighing? don't know where you got that, but there will be two judgements, the white throne judgement and the other judgement with the name i can't think of right now. the white throne judgement will judge all the saved people, either right after the rapture and before the tribulation or it continues throughout the tribulation, the bible doesn't specify. though the saved people will be judged, it just determines their rewards in heaven, if they do "badly" they won't be sent to hell. the second judgement will be right after the tribulation, where the people that were saved during the tribulation period will be judged for their rewards, and the ones who didn't get saved will be sent to hell. i kinda left out a little bit about the millenial reign of Christ and the apocolypse, but i didn't need it for this explanation. my english teacher would give this explanation an "f" for changing tenses.
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i kinda left out a little bit about the millenial reign of Christ and the apocolypse, but i didn't need it for this explanation.
Of course you did, including it would make your story look even sillier than it does now. You really are kidding with your post, right?
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I saw this somewhere, but I forgot where, so I'll just tell you it.
It's a comic or something about two unborn children talking, they talk about birth as death, and what happens after your birth. And about 'Mum,' a figure used as god.
Well, what if this is it?
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Okay. When you die you are born and your mum is God? lol wut?
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Okay. When you die you are born and your mum is God? lol wut?
>_>;
I hope you are being sarcastic.
It was used as an example, an unborn child talking to another (Don't ask me how) about 'Birth' and that when they are born, that the go to a new world and the meet mum, who will take care of them. And that they would eat through a mouth instead of a cord.
This is imposing that god is like a mother, and that even though we don't know it, there could be multiple lives before this.But we don't remember. And that though some things sound unrealistic, we just don't know how it would work.
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i kinda left out a little bit about the millenial reign of Christ and the apocolypse, but i didn't need it for this explanation.
Of course you did, including it would make your story look even sillier than it does now. You really are kidding with your post, right?
no, i am not. those are all facts from the bible. go read revalation, NOW! if you're having trouble finding it, it's the last book of the bible.
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i kinda left out a little bit about the millenial reign of Christ and the apocolypse, but i didn't need it for this explanation.
Of course you did, including it would make your story look even sillier than it does now. You really are kidding with your post, right?
no, i am not. those are all facts from the bible. go read revalation, NOW! if you're having trouble finding it, it's the last book of the bible.
o_O?
The only trouble for me to find it is that I really don't want to try to find it. Even less read it. Crap, it might even make me as silly as you are.
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ok then, thank you for insulting me and my religion.
and there's nothing to disprove the bible.
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ok then, thank you for insulting me and my religion.
and there's nothing to disprove the bible.
So now criticizing is insulting? Yay!
Actually, I think I did insult you, when I think about it. But I criticized "your" religion.
EDIT: Oh, and you're welcome.
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ok then, thank you for insulting me and my religion.
and there's nothing to disprove the bible.
So now criticizing is insulting? Yay!
Actually, I think I did insult you, when I think about it. But I criticized "your" religion.
EDIT: Oh, and you're welcome.
I agree with Venus.
Is that even English? Wanna bet?
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no, but i'll say again, there's nothing to disprove the bible. not oprah's little bible disproving team, not fake archeological finds(wow, that was obvious), not any mortal can disprove the bible.
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no, but i'll say again, there's nothing to disprove the bible. not oprah's little bible disproving team, not fake archeological finds(wow, that was obvious), not any mortal can disprove the bible.
Theres nothing that can disprove Archeological Finds.
See what I did there? : D Don't be an ass and push this crap on us o.o
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no, but i'll say again, there's nothing to disprove the bible. not oprah's little bible disproving team, not fake archeological finds(wow, that was obvious), not any mortal can disprove the bible.
No mortal can disprove Azathoth either. The Pope's little Cthulhu disproving team and the fools incapable of accepting the harsh truth cannot either.
Btw: When you die, your soul is sent to very core of the universe where it is eaten by the great Daemon Sultan to beat of maddening drums.
XD
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no, but i'll say again, there's nothing to disprove the bible. not oprah's little bible disproving team, not fake archeological finds(wow, that was obvious), not any mortal can disprove the bible.
No mortal can disprove Azathoth either. The Pope's little Cthulhu disproving team and the fools incapable of accepting the harsh truth cannot either.
Btw: When you die, your soul is sent to very core of the universe where it is eaten by the great Daemon Sultan to beat of maddening drums.
XD
that's a fictional story written by what's his name. there's no reason to believe that. the second part made me lol.
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Look you can't prove and you can't disprove the bible so I mean whats the point of trying to "convince" another person of what happens after death anyway. Mostly In my opinion when people try to convince people of stuff they are more just stating there opinions.
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no, but i'll say again, there's nothing to disprove the bible. not oprah's little bible disproving team, not fake archeological finds(wow, that was obvious), not any mortal can disprove the bible.
No mortal can disprove Azathoth either. The Pope's little Cthulhu disproving team and the fools incapable of accepting the harsh truth cannot either.
Btw: When you die, your soul is sent to very core of the universe where it is eaten by the great Daemon Sultan to beat of maddening drums.
XD
that's a fictional story written by what's his name. there's no reason to believe that. the second part made me lol.
that's a fictional story written by jews. there's no reason to believe that. the new testament part made me lol.
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Look you can't prove and you can't disprove the bible so I mean whats the point of trying to "convince" another person of what happens after death anyway. Mostly In my opinion when people try to convince people of stuff they are more just stating there opinions.
but you can prove the bible, it has been proven, by many people archeologically, and it's backed up by tons of records and even geography.
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Look you can't prove and you can't disprove the bible so I mean whats the point of trying to "convince" another person of what happens after death anyway. Mostly In my opinion when people try to convince people of stuff they are more just stating there opinions.
but you can prove the bible, it has been proven, by many people archeologically, and it's backed up by tons of records and even geography.
Give me an example.
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remains of noah's ark were found on mt. arart.
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remains of noah's ark were found on mt. arart.
No. What APPEARED to be remains were found. I think you got that froma video of some preacher dude, preaching that because somethings been written in a book it MUST of happened. But. even he doubted it to be the remains. Plus he lied. A LOT.
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remains of noah's ark were found on mt. arart.
No. What APPEARED to be remains were found. I think you got that froma video of some preacher dude, preaching that because somethings been written in a book it MUST of happened. But. even he doubted it to be the remains. Plus he lied. A LOT.
then i guess there's no point in asking me if you're just not going to believe anything. and i don't know who you're talking about, that could be any of the crap preachers on t.v.
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Look you can't prove and you can't disprove the bible so I mean whats the point of trying to "convince" another person of what happens after death anyway. Mostly In my opinion when people try to convince people of stuff they are more just stating there opinions.
Wow. That was yesterday I posted that and already people are trying to "convince" each other of stuff so that proves exactly what I just said.
remains of noah's ark were found on mt. arart.
No. What APPEARED to be remains were found. I think you got that froma video of some preacher dude, preaching that because somethings been written in a book it MUST of happened. But. even he doubted it to be the remains. Plus he lied. A LOT.
See! You tried to convince him, obviously knowing that you couldn't and lo and behold, it didn't even slightly convince him. WHAT IS THE POINT???
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No. What APPEARED to be remains were found. I think you got that froma video of some preacher dude, preaching that because somethings been written in a book it MUST of happened. But. even he doubted it to be the remains. Plus he lied. A LOT.
See! You tried to convince him, obviously knowing that you couldn't and lo and behold, it didn't even slightly convince him. WHAT IS THE POINT???
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No. I simply said its not evidence. Re-read it.
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When you die, you cease to think. The end. Either that or the stupid s*** god is sends you to hell for reasons it thinks are unjustifiable.
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In order for something to be true, it must be able to be proven or disproven. Scientific Method 101
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"Is existence an assumption we can afford to make?"
That can be viewed in several ways. Make of it what you will.
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Leave it to ZFGC... Apparently any topic can be turned into a religious war! Any more of it and I'll lock this topic.
*in before the lock*
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Hmm..
Well! My personal belief structure has changed a bit. Instead of being a "Sheeple Christian" (whereas I just went by what I was told Christianity was as apposed to what the Hebrew, Syriac, and Latin manuscripts say), I decided to do some in-depth, multi-language studies on these sorts of topics ("Why are we here?", "Where do we go when we die?", etc).
So; MY belief on this matter (based on my studies, which I put my faith into 200%) is quite simple. Death is simply a transition from one plane to the next; Body simply does what it does; rots.
Contrary to common Christian belief; instead of the "bad" going to hell for their transgressions; the "unfruitful" and "workless" (not jobless, but rather people who have not made use of themselves in a meaningful manor, a way that helps others, impacts others livelihood, etc), find themselves in the same place everyone else is... but separated from the fruitful and goodly people. Most refer to this as "Abraham's Bosom"; and it resembles the river Styx in parabol. On one side, theres people who wish they could cross, but cannot. Theyre just there in waiting for judgement, whereas on the other side are the ones who did not fall short of salvation, with the ability to cross back and forth to either side of the stream (as teachers). This is the same place Yeshua went to in the manuscripts to go forth and teach to all of the fallen before the redemption from his ressurection; giving an equal chance of salvation to people on both sides of the stream. Again though; this "stream" was mentioned in the manuscripts in parabol form. It is NOT a literal stream, as far as I know (or anyone else for that matter lol)
In common Christian practice, Heaven and Hell are places; however, my thoughts are much... much different on this as well. Heaven and Hell arent places, but rather "conditions". "Hell" in its original form in the manuscripts is derived from ~16 different words, none of which meaning the Greek underworld; "Hades", but rather, mostly means "Death". A place of eternal torture does NOT exist in true Christianity, its not scriptural at all, and its just a scare tactic for bible thumpers. The only place a "Hell" even remotely resembles the bible thumper hell is in Revelation; and even at that, it simply means the "Destruction of the Soul"; which is simply ceasing to exist; or the "Blotting out of the book of life". In other words, its life or death, not life or eternal torture. From this, scripturally, when spiritually rotten people die, they go to what is commonly known as "Abraham's Bosom" and wait for when the creation of Hell (basically, judgement) takes place, and from that point simply die if they don't wish to be with God. Heaven on the other hand is "wherever God is". From this; when people die, either way they're in the spiritual plane that God is in; so in essence EVERYONE goes to heaven. Some wait for judgment, some are already granted salvation, but all are in the same general area.
My personal belief; ALL religions are capable of achieving heaven even after death. Fate is not sealed in death. Do I believe you NEED to be a Christian to be granted salvation? Yes. Do I think things are finalized in death on this plane of existence? nope :p. Quite simply, someone could die, find themselves on the "Wrong side of the gulf" (that river); and think "Oh snap, theres Yeshua... I didn't believe it until now", and then BOOM. Instant salvation. lol Besides, Salvation is determined not by the sins of man, but MORE SO their works. There is no unforgivable sin, even in death, except for one that is IMPOSSIBLE to commit right now anyway, lol so I dont think anyone really has to worry too much.
But ultimately the point is; we didn't just randomly appear here sandboxes and told "YOU MUST FOLLOW GOD OR BURN FOR ETERNITY"; its more than that, and actually if people cant understand why we're here to begin with salvation is just going to be one big huge wall for them because they cant either grasp it or explain it. The whole reason we're here is because when we existed before this (Yes, Earth is MILLIONS of years old. Genesis itself took 6000 years, and it starts out in Hebrew as "The World was turned void and empty" not "The World was made void and empty" as most translations put it; so the earth existed long before the events of Genesis. It was made for us, but not our flesh selves. The reason we're here, is because God did not want to have to kill off all of his children during the catabol (the rebellion of Satan, before Genesis); when a 3rd of his children fell, he didn't want to start fresh, because he loved his creation. Instead of destroying everyone, he fixed what damage had been caused on earth from the catabol (which quite literally is a ripping of the sky), and as an act of undying love, decided to give the remaining 2/3rds of his children a chance to decide what they want, Him (God), or rebellion. Which also gives more explanation towards why the traditional hell does not exist; torment is not an act of love, and its just stupid lol... This is also why, even in death, its not about what religion you are, because even after death you can find redemption; this is just one plane of existence.
Most of this stuff mentioned is found in Job (a lot of stuff on WHY we're here), Ezekiel (chapter 26+ leads into more stuff for Revelation), the Gospels, Revelation, etc, all in their original languages.
But anyway, yeah, thats what I think happens when we die. lol we pretty much just go to a nifty lil river thingy if we're evil, and if not we're enjoying our original existence from before we had bodies. Pretty much it...
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Holy Shi- that's a long post.
Can be bothered reading right now, just the conclusion. And... well... it reminds me of the ancient Greeks with the river and the boatman. Well, I didn't read the post, I'm not sure on your entire beliefs. >_>
And you kinda rescued this topic from becoming a heavy religious flame war. ;)
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There are many theories, nobody knows for sure. For one, religious people think they'll go to heaven (and hell for the bad guys), some believe in reincarnation, some believe that you'll just turn into a wandering ghost of what's left of your soul. Maybe you will wake up from a dream when you die. Who knows? Anything could happen. :O
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XD oops I didnt realize how old this thread was, lol I shot for the first one I had seen XD
ALL I KNOW IS! When I die, there better be pie. if theres not, then ima gunna be pissed, lol
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Hmm..
Well! My personal belief structure has changed a bit. Instead of being a "Sheeple Christian" (whereas I just went by what I was told Christianity was as apposed to what the Hebrew, Syriac, and Latin manuscripts say), I decided to do some in-depth, multi-language studies on these sorts of topics ("Why are we here?", "Where do we go when we die?", etc).
So; MY belief on this matter (based on my studies, which I put my faith into 200%) is quite simple. Death is simply a transition from one plane to the next; Body simply does what it does; rots.
Contrary to common Christian belief; instead of the "bad" going to hell for their transgressions; the "unfruitful" and "workless" (not jobless, but rather people who have not made use of themselves in a meaningful manor, a way that helps others, impacts others livelihood, etc), find themselves in the same place everyone else is... but separated from the fruitful and goodly people. Most refer to this as "Abraham's Bosom"; and it resembles the river Styx in parabol. On one side, theres people who wish they could cross, but cannot. Theyre just there in waiting for judgement, whereas on the other side are the ones who did not fall short of salvation, with the ability to cross back and forth to either side of the stream (as teachers). This is the same place Yeshua went to in the manuscripts to go forth and teach to all of the fallen before the redemption from his ressurection; giving an equal chance of salvation to people on both sides of the stream. Again though; this "stream" was mentioned in the manuscripts in parabol form. It is NOT a literal stream, as far as I know (or anyone else for that matter lol)
In common Christian practice, Heaven and Hell are places; however, my thoughts are much... much different on this as well. Heaven and Hell arent places, but rather "conditions". "Hell" in its original form in the manuscripts is derived from ~16 different words, none of which meaning the Greek underworld; "Hades", but rather, mostly means "Death". A place of eternal torture does NOT exist in true Christianity, its not scriptural at all, and its just a scare tactic for bible thumpers. The only place a "Hell" even remotely resembles the bible thumper hell is in Revelation; and even at that, it simply means the "Destruction of the Soul"; which is simply ceasing to exist; or the "Blotting out of the book of life". In other words, its life or death, not life or eternal torture. From this, scripturally, when spiritually rotten people die, they go to what is commonly known as "Abraham's Bosom" and wait for when the creation of Hell (basically, judgement) takes place, and from that point simply die if they don't wish to be with God. Heaven on the other hand is "wherever God is". From this; when people die, either way they're in the spiritual plane that God is in; so in essence EVERYONE goes to heaven. Some wait for judgment, some are already granted salvation, but all are in the same general area.
My personal belief; ALL religions are capable of achieving heaven even after death. Fate is not sealed in death. Do I believe you NEED to be a Christian to be granted salvation? Yes. Do I think things are finalized in death on this plane of existence? nope :p. Quite simply, someone could die, find themselves on the "Wrong side of the gulf" (that river); and think "Oh snap, theres Yeshua... I didn't believe it until now", and then BOOM. Instant salvation. lol Besides, Salvation is determined not by the sins of man, but MORE SO their works. There is no unforgivable sin, even in death, except for one that is IMPOSSIBLE to commit right now anyway, lol so I dont think anyone really has to worry too much.
But ultimately the point is; we didn't just randomly appear here sandboxes and told "YOU MUST FOLLOW GOD OR BURN FOR ETERNITY"; its more than that, and actually if people cant understand why we're here to begin with salvation is just going to be one big huge wall for them because they cant either grasp it or explain it. The whole reason we're here is because when we existed before this (Yes, Earth is MILLIONS of years old. Genesis itself took 6000 years, and it starts out in Hebrew as "The World was turned void and empty" not "The World was made void and empty" as most translations put it; so the earth existed long before the events of Genesis. It was made for us, but not our flesh selves. The reason we're here, is because God did not want to have to kill off all of his children during the catabol (the rebellion of Satan, before Genesis); when a 3rd of his children fell, he didn't want to start fresh, because he loved his creation. Instead of destroying everyone, he fixed what damage had been caused on earth from the catabol (which quite literally is a ripping of the sky), and as an act of undying love, decided to give the remaining 2/3rds of his children a chance to decide what they want, Him (God), or rebellion. Which also gives more explanation towards why the traditional hell does not exist; torment is not an act of love, and its just stupid lol... This is also why, even in death, its not about what religion you are, because even after death you can find redemption; this is just one plane of existence.
Most of this stuff mentioned is found in Job (a lot of stuff on WHY we're here), Ezekiel (chapter 26+ leads into more stuff for Revelation), the Gospels, Revelation, etc, all in their original languages.
But anyway, yeah, thats what I think happens when we die. lol we pretty much just go to a nifty lil river thingy if we're evil, and if not we're enjoying our original existence from before we had bodies. Pretty much it...
Sounds like BS.
There are many theories, nobody knows for sure. For one, religious people think they'll go to heaven (and hell for the bad guys), some believe in reincarnation, some believe that you'll just turn into a wandering ghost of what's left of your soul. Maybe you will wake up from a dream when you die. Who knows? Anything could happen. :O
Theories?
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(Long post)
Yeah, I kinda like that post. I guess nobody can be too assertive on this subject, though. I don't any of us can recall the last time we died.
Also, consider this. Do to the fact that this keeps lapsing into some religion related war, I'll say that we really can't make assertions with the existence of anything. I mean, how the !@#$% am I supposed to know any of you are real? The only thing I know 100% is real is my own mind.
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Sounds like BS.
Nobody can know for sure, its really not my place to say what "is" and "isnt", so instead I just stated what I believed "is" :P
Realistically though, there are many things beyond the realm of science that just cant be explained, and an afterlife is one of those things; its not possible to know for sure one way or another, but I personally would much rather have faith in something and be wrong, then not have faith about something and find out that what I shoulda been believing in was true :p
Worst case scenario though; we could just sit in the ground and rot, lol but thats no fun
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Are you sure that would be the worst case? Perhaps after we die, we're reborn, but in some totally new world that we could not even begin to comprehend, where everything is simply "different," for lack of a better word. But our heads wouldn't explode or anything, no; we'd have to either suffer or eventually learn to accept it. Or perhaps we'd choose not to accept it and some sort of horrible thing could happen.
Maybe not, though. I'd rather believe or grow to believe something naturally instead of being told to, because otherwise it might not be seen as a *true* belief by whatsitsface/the flying spaghetti monster, if it does indeed exist.
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like another dimension of some sort?
BTW the flying spaghetti monster scares the cream cheese outta me >_<
But I definitely agree about the growing to believe something; stepping outside of whats force-fed to you is good, because it gives you the sense to learn something on your own. Its not peoples jobs to tell you what to believe. Mention their beliefs? sure. But to say "believe this or burn in hell!" or use other scare tactics is down right low and dirty, and I do not think thats how things should be conveyed from person to person; and that seed shouldnt even be planted in such a manor :s
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Hypothesis - A rough idea with little or no proof
Theory - a Hypothesis with an abundance of proof and a solid and fleshed out idea
Accepted Theory - a Theory with enough proof to be accepted by the mainstream scientific community
Use the words right people! Of course them definitions weren't exact, but they are close enough.
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o.o an accepted theory is STILL just a theory, none the less lol Besides, the "mainstream scientific community" treats more theories as fact then they should o.0 I don't care how much proof they have, if they cant classify it as fact they shouldn't promote it as truth; makes science itself appear to be a religion instead of a reliable source IMO
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I hate how people divide relgion and science so much. Seriously, If I were a god I would be really peeved off if everyone said "Evolution can't work because god just put us here..." So basically thats saying that god isn't smart enough to create evolution(er, sorta)...Smite'n time.
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I hate how people divide relgion and science so much. Seriously, If I were a god I would be really peeved off if everyone said "Evolution can't work because god just put us here..." So basically thats saying that god isn't smart enough to create evolution(er, sorta)...Smite'n time.
You mean not clever enough to create a person.
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look, we all know the truth.
Jesus is a Zombie, when we all die and decay we are teleported to a giant room as Zombies. The room has just one door, which is closed. When the apocalypse comes around, it will actually just be when that door opens and Jesus leads the zombies forward into the world.
I for one welcome this, and have no doubt in my mind that they will not kill us all. I find this constant discrimination against the Zombies horrendous. It is time for a change.
I say to you now my friends, that, even though we face the near threat of Zombie invasion, I still have a dream.
I have a dream that one day Zombies will rise up and cast aside the shackles of oppression and hatred. A dream that one day Zombies will not be judged upon how different or undead they are from us.
I have a dream that one day the Zombies will be looked at and simply labelled "friend".
I have a dream that, one day, when all this occurs, that I shall become a Zombie, overthrow the leader of the Zombies, Jesus, and use the element of surprise to my advantage.
I have a dream that one day, no structure will be left standing, no man or women left un-decapitated, no baby left un-devoured.
I have a dream that none of you shall be spared from the Horrors of my rule.
FREE AT LAST! YOU ARE ALL DEAD, BUT WE ZOMBIES ARE FREE AT LAST!
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I am not quite sure what happens to us when we die but I would hope that we have a good after life. Maybe we go to a new world.
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I am not quite sure what happens to us when we die but I would hope that we have a good after life. Maybe we go to a new world.
Hopefully, but probably not.
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or we could fall into the divine land of Nata de Coco, which is located near the Philippines :P... <<<< I like this one <_< <3 me some nata de coco
I hate how people divide relgion and science so much. Seriously, If I were a god I would be really peeved off if everyone said "Evolution can't work because god just put us here..." So basically thats saying that god isn't smart enough to create evolution(er, sorta)...Smite'n time.
Most *Christians will openly state "Human beings were made to adapt to their surroundings" lol butttttt! There shouldnt be a division between religion and science; In most cases either or plays both roles. Science in most cases lately acts as a religion; gives people a thought of origin (that isnt proven, much like a religion provides), and a sense of existance; whereas theres been times when religion has acted as some form of scientific material (false religion or not, theyre old lol and old religions have old documentation that have at least some reference to something in the area it was created; its helped a bit with archaeological digs, and aided in those areas of science)
*shrugs*
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or we could fall into the divine land of Nata de Coco, which is located near the Philippines :P... <<<< I like this one <_< <3 me some nata de coco
I hate how people divide relgion and science so much. Seriously, If I were a god I would be really peeved off if everyone said "Evolution can't work because god just put us here..." So basically thats saying that god isn't smart enough to create evolution(er, sorta)...Smite'n time.
Most *Christians will openly state "Human beings were made to adapt to their surroundings" lol butttttt! There shouldnt be a division between religion and science; In most cases either or plays both roles. Science in most cases lately acts as a religion; gives people a thought of origin (that isnt proven, much like a religion provides), and a sense of existance; whereas theres been times when religion has acted as some form of scientific material (false religion or not, theyre old lol and old religions have old documentation that have at least some reference to something in the area it was created; its helped a bit with archaeological digs, and aided in those areas of science)
*shrugs*
At least science doesn't have talking donkeys.
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Science these days seems to be very much a religion. People cling to it as it is the most comfortable thing to put your faith in.
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Science these days seems to be very much a religion. People cling to it as it is the most comfortable thing to put your faith in.
It's the only thing that makes sense to "put your faith in". Science by itself cannot be clung to, but individual ideas can, which has the possibility to be like a religion.
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Who the heck can answer the topic question?
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Who the heck can answer the topic question?
Are you a dumbass? 10 pages worth of people think they have the answer. Obviously I am just asking for an opinion and not what really happens. You only find out what really happens once you die. >_>
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Who the heck can answer the topic question?
Are you a dumbass? 10 pages worth of people think they have the answer. Obviously I am just asking for an opinion and not what really happens. You only find out what really happens once you die. >_>
ouch.
I think that people cling to science more not because it is more comforting (If I went for comforting, I would want something that assures eternal happiness) but because it has facts tested repeatedly and majorly aggreaded upon by tested methods whereas you cannot test religion at all.
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I think I figured out the answer to this question...
We rejoin with the overmind, who circles the planet in his invisible mothership. From there we go to planet XNXNXNYaaarrrrp, and we have sex with beautiful 3 armed dog monsters that poop icecream. Fact.
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I think I figured out the answer to this question...
We rejoin with the overmind, who circles the planet in his invisible mothership. From there we go to planet XNXNXNYaaarrrrp, and we have sex with beautiful 3 armed dog monsters that poop icecream. Fact.
Now I will do everything to stay alive as long as possible! XD
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I think I figured out the answer to this question...
We rejoin with the overmind, who circles the planet in his invisible mothership. From there we go to planet XNXNXNYaaarrrrp, and we have sex with beautiful 3 armed dog monsters that poop icecream. Fact.
I prefer Hydralisks and Lurkers.
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Well, I can easily answer the question. Life goes on ;P.
I believe that when someone dies, he just stops being. Dies. It's easy for me to accept that.
Well, for now at least. Not sure when I'm older.
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...It's this question supposed to have an answer?.
Once you die you die...I mean if something happens after you die you don't know until you are dead...it's confusing.
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We all end up finding out. No pun intended. But we can believe whatever we want. It doesn't matter. But someone alive cannot know what happens until that someone dies. Then that someone cannot share the occasion.
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Who the heck can answer the topic question?
Are you a dumbass? 10 pages worth of people think they have the answer. Obviously I am just asking for an opinion and not what really happens. You only find out what really happens once you die. >_>
ouch.
I think that people cling to science more not because it is more comforting (If I went for comforting, I would want something that assures eternal happiness) but because it has facts tested repeatedly and majorly aggreaded upon by tested methods whereas you cannot test religion at all.
No, Science has THEORIES that are tested. No Scientific theory is fact. There open for further exploration.
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Exactly. A theory is only formed into fact by third-party-perspective. If comfort is what is sought, then think of nature.
"Dying must have survival value, otherwise it wouldn't be part of the Biological process."
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I imagine life after death is just a big dream that never ends. Kind of like thinking you're still alive and doing things, but you actually don't realise it because you're dreaming.
Nothing's going to happen in your body though. Perhaps the universe will do something to your mind? I don't know.
One things for sure: all religions are wrong.
I'd rather not think about it. This way I can take up the time enjoying life instead of thinking :P.
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You rot in the ground.
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The body does. That is a given. The energy within is just transformed into another type of energy. The energy cycle. In which energy cannot be extinguished, just changed.
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And that energy is described in Chinese medicine as chi, so your chi moves somewhere else. Reincarnation much? Although if the chi is changed, then you could become light or fire or electricity. Maybe even gravity! A huge bolt of lightning would be awesome, though. Perhaps reincarnation happens when lightning strikes. Maybe your energy's just transferred down the food chain, thus you're never whole, and never alive again. Yeah, when you die you die.
One thing I don't get is why I'm here, in this body, as this person at this exact time, when I could be another person at any time whatsoever. Why am I only one person? What made me be inside this body? Surely when I die, I'm put into another body or something. Not my person or spirit. But another person that is declared as myself.
So I am me. Another person is another person. Suddenly another person is a me, ie viewing things from a first person perspective, and not being simply interacted with by others. Actually a better way to put it would be this: Everyone but me is people, and I am a person. Being a "person", I view the world through in first person. People are simply the ones you see. Then when you die, another person is born. Your spirit/mind/energy don't go into it, but your "vision" does. So it's a completely different person, but viewing things in first person like you did before you died. It's really hard to explain, but it has to happen. I mean, when you die, it's not like it all goes blank and there's not gonna be any more persons. I mean, 4+ billion years and no-one ever had a first person perspective? Why would I just suddenly come in now? I also believe this can extend to any life-form.
However I fear this simply comes around by reproduction, which is most likely true. So I just die, never to see again, as it were. We have to die, otherwise you wouldn't naturally fear death. Of course, when you have a child, you don't become one of the people and your baby the person, so perhaps it's the energy from animals eaten that forms the person inside that child. So while after you die your energy is never fully restored, it combines with other fractions of organisms' energy to become one. It's a shame Buddha can't tell us how to be enlightened and realise everything all at once, then we'd know.
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If by energy you are referring to what is released in food, and what I need to push against a wall and such, then of course energy is passed on when you die.
It goes to the worms and the maggots, who eat your body, releasing the energy. You know, food webs and all that :P
That doesn't give it a deep or spiritual meaning, it's just something that allows life to go on for everything else, though it does make me want to watch The Lion King again. If you give any spiritual meaning at all to Energy, then you have to remember pretty much all our energy ultimately comes from the Sun, so by that 'logic' (to use the term loosely), Stars must be some kind of giant...spiritual...sending-out-of...thing...yeah, it falls apart quickly if you ask me XD
*sings*
It's the Circle of Life
And it moves us all
Through despair and hope
Through faith and love
Till we find our place
On the path unwinding
In the Circle
The Circle of Life
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The energy that the body creates in order for it to be active is not the energy I'm talking about. The energy I mean is the 'core' energy. The energy that gives the body 'drive' to create it's source of energy it exist. If you want to know what I'm talking about, rest your arm on a chair back, and dangle it from the elbow. Wait for that tingle to set in, then pay attention. You feel your hand moving, grasping into a fist and releasing. Thats what I mean. That is the energy reacting to the physical position the arm is in. That is the energy released upon death.
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The energy that the body creates in order for it to be active is not the energy I'm talking about. The energy I mean is the 'core' energy. The energy that gives the body 'drive' to create it's source of energy it exist. If you want to know what I'm talking about, rest your arm on a chair back, and dangle it from the elbow. Wait for that tingle to set in, then pay attention. You feel your hand moving, grasping into a fist and releasing. Thats what I mean. That is the energy reacting to the physical position the arm is in. That is the energy released upon death.
Adenosine triphosphate?
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The energy that the body creates in order for it to be active is not the energy I'm talking about. The energy I mean is the 'core' energy. The energy that gives the body 'drive' to create it's source of energy it exist. If you want to know what I'm talking about, rest your arm on a chair back, and dangle it from the elbow. Wait for that tingle to set in, then pay attention. You feel your hand moving, grasping into a fist and releasing. Thats what I mean. That is the energy reacting to the physical position the arm is in. That is the energy released upon death.
Adenosine triphosphate?
Hehehehehe, ah scientific answers to pseudo science. Don't you just love them? I'd love to see some evidence of this energy (I say this as a scientific sceptic who is obviously wanting to see evidence), because I can come up with a demonstration which "proves" I am psychic, when really I just use ideomotor.
It's really simple, I just have the person hold a pendant in their hand, and rather than tell them to visualise it spinning without them consciously actually spinning it (which will start it spinning by ideomotor), I just create a build-up and 'lead them' into it, like how most people agree a Ouija board works. Spirits my arse XD
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Adenosine triphosphate, Mitochondrial energy.
Some call it 'Chi', some call it 'Spirit'. And when the body dies, taking into account the wast released, the body looses 21 kilograms.
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What I think:
I think there are two eternal locations: Heaven and Hell; and one temporal location: Purgatory.
Obviously, I believe in God.
Hell is where people go (baptised or not) who knowingly seriously sin against God, but refuse to repent and ask (and accept) God's forgiveness.
Heaven is where people go who are in God's grace-- baptised with no serious sin, or have repented of all serious sin, and have been cleaned from sin.
Purgatory is where people go who are in God's grace, but still have sin. In Purgatory they are purified for their shortcomings and made perfect so they can enter Heaven. Anyone in Purgatory will get to Heaven eventually.
Again, Purgatory being temporal, Heaven and Hell being eternity.
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You rot in the ground.
I'm with you on that one.
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Obviously you slowly decay while little bugs start to turn your once human form into mulch.
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If God exists, I'm banking on going on Hell. Is it really wrong if it seems right at the time?
I'd present my case in court against God, he's fair, right? Right?
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If God exists, I'm banking on going on Hell. Is it really wrong if it seems right at the time?
I'd present my case in court against God, he's fair, right? Right?
From how you treat women and other people in general i can see you going to hell.
[Mod Edit: be nice.]
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Regal- be nice
If God exists, I'm banking on going on Hell. Is it really wrong if it seems right at the time?
I'd present my case in court against God, he's fair, right? Right?
XD I dont believe in hell, so if God exists we're all screwed! We'd have you there! lol j/p
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I'm just saying from that other topic he seemed like an ass to everyone.
Also Mammy i agree most likely we'll all go to hell for one of those 7 deadly sins.
Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, and Pride.
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Also Mammy i agree most likely we'll all go to hell for one of those 7 deadly sins.
Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, and Pride.
Eh, even in a Christian theological sense, theres no unforgivable sin, with the exception of "Blaspheming the Holy Spirit"; which according to my expository views, isn't possible at this point in time... I don't think any God would find pleasure in torturing his children for eternity :P IMO the purpose of life is to choose what you want; "Do you want to live? or do you want to cease to exist" (living, of course refering to eternal life, "ceasing to exist", being "suffering from the 2nd death" mentioned in Rev; which ultimately means your soul is destroyed, and you're "Blotted out of the book of life").. Though I also dont believe that we can no longer have a chance for redemption after our flesh dies; I think after we die we'll still have a chance to do whatever' spiritual blah blah we need to lol
In a theological sense, I have faith in what I believe happens when we die, but realistically, no one can truly know until they bite the big one :( tis the sux
in regards to Jay :P Yeah he does that, but thats why we love him' XD he's blunt about his opinions, and still finds humor in it :P
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In all honesty I don't get what I do that's so wrong. Seriously, can someone explain it in words that make more sense that "You're an ass"?
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Mamoruanime, mind if I put my 2 cents in? I'd like you to read this:
Eh, even in a Christian theological sense, theres no unforgivable sin, with the exception of "Blaspheming the Holy Spirit"; which according to my expository views, isn't possible at this point in time...
What blaspheming the Holy Spirit means is basically telling God, "You can't forgive me," by thinking God's mercy isn't enough for how gravely you've sinned. Basically not repenting or not receiving God's forgiveness. Thus, it isn't a sin in itself but a state of remaining in sin by will. There is no sin that cannot be forgiven.
"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.'" -- C.S. Lewis
Ahhh.. I love that quote.
IMO the purpose of life is to choose what you want; "Do you want to live? or do you want to cease to exist" (living, of course refering to eternal life, "ceasing to exist", being "suffering from the 2nd death" mentioned in Rev; which ultimately means your soul is destroyed, and you're "Blotted out of the book of life")..
It's Christian belief that all human souls are immortal, wherever the location. I think you were quoting Revelations there, so I said that.
Free to your opinion you are, but if you're talking about Christianity... Mmyeah.
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IMO the purpose of life is to choose what you want; "Do you want to live? or do you want to cease to exist" (living, of course refering to eternal life, "ceasing to exist", being "suffering from the 2nd death" mentioned in Rev; which ultimately means your soul is destroyed, and you're "Blotted out of the book of life")..
It's Christian belief that all human souls are immortal, wherever the location. I think you were quoting Revelations there, so I said that.
Free to your opinion you are, but if you're talking about Christianity... Mmyeah.
Eh, I'm iffy about all of that christianity and stuff. I mean if the bible is gods word, it can't really be disputable. Thats like me saying "I made a picture of a cat" and you say "It could be a dog!"...It can't. And really you can't debate about something that is 'undisputable'.
Now, lets get away from horrible comparisons for a second to ask you something. What was it like before you were born? Thats pretty much what I think will happen after you die, in my opinion (of course).
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Ugh... I just can't come to terms with the fact that after you die you just don't exist... you never know you existed. You're just dead. I guess Heaven/Hell has to be real... either that, or you get reincarnated.
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Ugh... I just can't come to terms with the fact that after you die you just don't exist... you never know you existed. You're just dead. I guess Heaven/Hell has to be real... either that, or you get reincarnated.
Which is where I reckon the idea of life after death originated from. We can't comprehend death as nothing because we wouldn't have the ability to comprehend anything.
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Ugh... I just can't come to terms with the fact that after you die you just don't exist... you never know you existed. You're just dead. I guess Heaven/Hell has to be real... either that, or you get reincarnated.
Which is where I reckon the idea of life after death originated from. We can't comprehend death as nothing because we wouldn't have the ability to comprehend anything.
It's weird knowing that you can't comprehend such a simple concept...
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Ugh... I just can't come to terms with the fact that after you die you just don't exist... you never know you existed. You're just dead. I guess Heaven/Hell has to be real... either that, or you get reincarnated.
Which is where I reckon the idea of life after death originated from. We can't comprehend death as nothing because we wouldn't have the ability to comprehend anything.
It's weird knowing that you can't comprehend such a simple concept...
Aye. Its up to the degree of mind fuckery.
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Ugh... I just can't come to terms with the fact that after you die you just don't exist... you never know you existed. You're just dead. I guess Heaven/Hell has to be real... either that, or you get reincarnated.
Which is where I reckon the idea of life after death originated from. We can't comprehend death as nothing because we wouldn't have the ability to comprehend anything.
It's weird knowing that you can't comprehend such a simple concept...
Aye. Its up to the degree of mind fuckery.
I understand the concept, I never said that. I just said that it seems odd that there is no afterlife.
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You said "I just can't come to terms with the fact that after you die you just don't exist... you never know you existed. You're just dead.[/quote] Which to me suggests (by your use of the word fact) you suspect/believe it to be true, however really wish it wasn't because you can't comprehend what it'd be like, even if you get the basic 'concept' of it.
Then again, I'm probably over analysing again.
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You said "I just can't come to terms with the fact that after you die you just don't exist... you never know you existed. You're just dead. Which to me suggests (by your use of the word fact) you suspect/believe it to be true, however really wish it wasn't because you can't comprehend what it'd be like, even if you get the basic 'concept' of it.
Then again, I'm probably over analyzing again.
You probably are. XD It's not in the interest of debating to twist someone else's words around to get your view.
Oh and by the way...IMO the purpose of life is to choose what you want; "Do you want to live? or do you want to cease to exist" (living, of course refering to eternal life, "ceasing to exist", being "suffering from the 2nd death" mentioned in Rev; which ultimately means your soul is destroyed, and you're "Blotted out of the book of life")..
It's Christian belief that all human souls are immortal, wherever the location. I think you were quoting Revelations there, so I said that.
Free to your opinion you are, but if you're talking about Christianity... Mmyeah.
Eh, I'm iffy about all of that christianity and stuff. I mean if the bible is gods word, it can't really be disputable. Thats like me saying "I made a picture of a cat" and you say "It could be a dog!"...It can't. And really you can't debate about something that is 'undisputable'.
Now, lets get away from horrible comparisons for a second to ask you something. What was it like before you were born? Thats pretty much what I think will happen after you die, in my opinion (of course).
That was my post, I was on my brother's account...
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I just find it strange someone would call something a fact and than say it is wrong.
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I just find it strange someone would call something a fact and than say it is wrong.
I didn't mean it literally... it's just a metaphor.
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Mamoruanime, mind if I put my 2 cents in? I'd like you to read this:
Eh, even in a Christian theological sense, theres no unforgivable sin, with the exception of "Blaspheming the Holy Spirit"; which according to my expository views, isn't possible at this point in time...
What blaspheming the Holy Spirit means is basically telling God, "You can't forgive me," by thinking God's mercy isn't enough for how gravely you've sinned. Basically not repenting or not receiving God's forgiveness. Thus, it isn't a sin in itself but a state of remaining in sin by will. There is no sin that cannot be forgiven.
"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.'" -- C.S. Lewis
Ahhh.. I love that quote.
IMO the purpose of life is to choose what you want; "Do you want to live? or do you want to cease to exist" (living, of course refering to eternal life, "ceasing to exist", being "suffering from the 2nd death" mentioned in Rev; which ultimately means your soul is destroyed, and you're "Blotted out of the book of life")..
It's Christian belief that all human souls are immortal, wherever the location. I think you were quoting Revelations there, so I said that.
Free to your opinion you are, but if you're talking about Christianity... Mmyeah.
:P not to turn this into a religious debate or anything, but merely to defend my stance- I follow an expository Christian belief system; that is... Reading the bible in its original Greek, Hebrew, and Syriac languages to the best of my ability (Strongs Concordance, etc)... I used to follow those same believe systems, until I realized that the "2nd death" that revelations talks about involves the destruction of the soul. Jesus himself said "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28); if hell were a place of eternal torment... why would it say your soul is destroyed? also "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I WILL NOT BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE," - Rev 3:5.
So even at that, in a Christian theological sense, even after you die, its either eternal life, or just *death*. Ezekiel chapters 26+ has a lot of this stuff in it, and actually has more about Revelation than Revelation does :P its a good read... But anyway, my pastor is Arnold Murray of The Shepherds Chapel (http://www.shepherdschapel.com/). He's a great teacher :o My personal stance on blaspheming the holy spirit is that its not possible until Rev when the Zedach (IE: Saints/ Chosen ones mentioned in Rev) have to stand up before AntiChrist and speak in the cloven tongue that God tells you to not premeditate. "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost." - Mark 13:11
I could go on further about this, but I don think this topic is meant to have internal religious debates XD
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IMO the purpose of life is to choose what you want; "Do you want to live? or do you want to cease to exist" (living, of course refering to eternal life, "ceasing to exist", being "suffering from the 2nd death" mentioned in Rev; which ultimately means your soul is destroyed, and you're "Blotted out of the book of life")..
It's Christian belief that all human souls are immortal, wherever the location. I think you were quoting Revelations there, so I said that.
Free to your opinion you are, but if you're talking about Christianity... Mmyeah.
Eh, I'm iffy about all of that christianity and stuff. I mean if the bible is gods word, it can't really be disputable. Thats like me saying "I made a picture of a cat" and you say "It could be a dog!"...It can't. And really you can't debate about something that is 'undisputable'.
Now, lets get away from horrible comparisons for a second to ask you something. What was it like before you were born? Thats pretty much what I think will happen after you die, in my opinion (of course).
The Bible is God speaking through profits-- people. It's not like He took over their minds and forced them to speak certain divinely-inspired words for a short period of time either.
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IMO the purpose of life is to choose what you want; "Do you want to live? or do you want to cease to exist" (living, of course refering to eternal life, "ceasing to exist", being "suffering from the 2nd death" mentioned in Rev; which ultimately means your soul is destroyed, and you're "Blotted out of the book of life")..
It's Christian belief that all human souls are immortal, wherever the location. I think you were quoting Revelations there, so I said that.
Free to your opinion you are, but if you're talking about Christianity... Mmyeah.
Eh, I'm iffy about all of that christianity and stuff. I mean if the bible is gods word, it can't really be disputable. Thats like me saying "I made a picture of a cat" and you say "It could be a dog!"...It can't. And really you can't debate about something that is 'undisputable'.
Now, lets get away from horrible comparisons for a second to ask you something. What was it like before you were born? Thats pretty much what I think will happen after you die, in my opinion (of course).
The Bible is God speaking through profits-- people. It's not like He took over their minds and forced them to speak certain divinely-inspired words for a short period of time either.
Why would you talk through profits? Wouldn't you talk through prophets instead?
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IMO the purpose of life is to choose what you want; "Do you want to live? or do you want to cease to exist" (living, of course refering to eternal life, "ceasing to exist", being "suffering from the 2nd death" mentioned in Rev; which ultimately means your soul is destroyed, and you're "Blotted out of the book of life")..
It's Christian belief that all human souls are immortal, wherever the location. I think you were quoting Revelations there, so I said that.
Free to your opinion you are, but if you're talking about Christianity... Mmyeah.
Eh, I'm iffy about all of that christianity and stuff. I mean if the bible is gods word, it can't really be disputable. Thats like me saying "I made a picture of a cat" and you say "It could be a dog!"...It can't. And really you can't debate about something that is 'undisputable'.
Now, lets get away from horrible comparisons for a second to ask you something. What was it like before you were born? Thats pretty much what I think will happen after you die, in my opinion (of course).
The Bible is God speaking through profits-- people. It's not like He took over their minds and forced them to speak certain divinely-inspired words for a short period of time either.
Why would you talk through profits? Wouldn't you talk through prophets instead?
Do you think I'm God? I don't know.
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Honestly. Re-thinking this whole matter, I would have to say that when you die, you die. Simple as that. However... You will live again in a way. You will have the experience of a new life. From birth to death again. Reincarnation. No memory of past lives... Also, when I say "YOU will love again in a way" I don't mean you. You get one life. But then the experience of living as a new being again happens. It's not YOU. But I guess in a way YOU still feel as if it is. In that regard, that means that you were once someone else. Completely unrelated to you. Someone now dead. You don't even have a spiritual connection to this dead person however. It's hard to imagine this because you can't picture yourself as not YOU. Am I making a damn bit of sense?
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Almost, but I understand what you mean... I believe in reincarnation, it's seems odd though... not being you. My uncle went through this hypnosis treatment thing to see if he had any past lives and he said he saw someone else but he knew it was him, first as a slave working in Egypt, then a Greek Peasant, and then a painter in France. It's probably just !@#$% but if it is true that's amazing.
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Honestly. Re-thinking this whole matter, I would have to say that when you die, you die. Simple as that. However... You will live again in a way. You will have the experience of a new life. From birth to death again. Reincarnation. No memory of past lives... Also, when I say "YOU will love again in a way" I don't mean you. You get one life. But then the experience of living as a new being again happens. It's not YOU. But I guess in a way YOU still feel as if it is. In that regard, that means that you were once someone else. Completely unrelated to you. Someone now dead. You don't even have a spiritual connection to this dead person however. It's hard to imagine this because you can't picture yourself as not YOU. Am I making a damn bit of sense?
I had some thoughts about that once. I mean, I don't believe in reincarnation, but you know I was just considering "what if's" and stuff. It'd be insane, you know? Having a whole past life that is meaningless now because you have absolutely no memory of it. Crazy stuff.
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Different people and religions believe different things
Muslims
[good] you go to heaven and everything you want is there
[bad] you serve time in hell like jail for however bad you were in life
[evil] you suffer for all eternity
Christians
[good] you go to heaven and everything you want is there
[evil] you suffer for all eternity
Indians
[whatever] you are reincarnated
thats all I know
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Different people and religions believe different things
Muslims
[good] you go to heaven and everything you want is there
[bad] you serve time in hell like jail for however bad you were in life
[evil] you suffer for all eternity
Christians
[good] you go to heaven and everything you want is there
[evil] you suffer for all eternity
Indians
[whatever] you are reincarnated
thats all I know
I was more asking what YOU think happens after death. I know what various religions believe.
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They throw you in a box and toss some dirt on ya.
That's it.
Haha, nice way of putting it. Yes, that is what happens to everybody after they die, no arguing with that.
Personally, I don't believe anything happens to our spirit after we die.
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Do we even have an actual "Spirit" or just our brain creating emotions?
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I thnk that when we die we are reincarnated in MOTHER3 World and we live in Tazmily and play with Drago. :P
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You know, everyone thought the 'soul' was more connected to the heart (In old times) but it would more logically be connected to our brains.
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Do we even have an actual "Spirit" or just our brain creating emotions?
Just our brain creating emotions IMO.
I got this eerie thought. I've had it before. It sounds emo, yet it's creepily true. We're just empty shells. You are nothing more than a brain. Your brain is everything.
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Well it is basically true. We are just brains that feel emotions and senses.
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Well it is basically true. We are just brains that feel emotions and senses.
Yeah. It's scary. To think I'm just a brain in a shell with organs in it. It makes me feel less human. Less like I'm me. I'm clearly me, but thinking about it like that makes me feel more apart from the world. Like the connection from one "past life" to the current one. You aren't connected in any way. But at a different time, you were thinking through the brain of that person.
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Ugh... that's so weird, I hope we have a Spirit. :D
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I hope we don't. It implies things actually matter, and if that is so over 1 million years of Human history have been a pointless blot on the world.
To simplify, yes I think existence is pointless if it matters, because no matter what we can ever do, we'll never 'live up' to that importance, our lives will always be a waste.
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Do we even have an actual "Spirit" or just our brain creating emotions?
Just our brain creating emotions IMO.
I got this eerie thought. I've had it before. It sounds emo, yet it's creepily true. We're just empty shells. You are nothing more than a brain. Your brain is everything.
Unless you believe that people have souls. I still, personally, wouldn't call your physical self a brain with organs, though.
I hope we don't. It implies things actually matter, and if that is so over 1 million years of Human history have been a pointless blot on the world.
To simplify, yes I think existence is pointless if it matters, because no matter what we can ever do, we'll never 'live up' to that importance, our lives will always be a waste.
... what?
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I hope we don't. It implies things actually matter, and if that is so over 1 million years of Human history have been a pointless blot on the world.
To simplify, yes I think existence is pointless if it matters, because no matter what we can ever do, we'll never 'live up' to that importance, our lives will always be a waste.
That's a very pessimistic way to look at it. So let's say that on the Importance Scale of 1000...
By the end of your life you do nothing because you see existence as pointless. .001/1000
By the end of my life I make lots of money and help solve global problems. I do this because I see existence to have a point. .1/1000
Those numbers should be far smaller however. But this is simplified scale.
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I still don't get it. Why are our lives a waste?
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I still don't get it. Why are our lives a waste?
He thinks that no matter what you do you can hardly dent the outcome of the universe. Don't listen to him.
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I hope we don't. It implies things actually matter, and if that is so over 1 million years of Human history have been a pointless blot on the world.
To simplify, yes I think existence is pointless if it matters, because no matter what we can ever do, we'll never 'live up' to that importance, our lives will always be a waste.
But to what degree is this "importance?" That's not a question we can really answer, because importance varies from person to person and can be scaled in different ways.
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He thinks that no matter what you do you can hardly dent the outcome of the universe.
We 'dent' the universe with our very existence. Every time we make a choice, the future alters. Should I eat the pizza or the pasta? Should I step on the ant hill or put poison on it? Should I have sex or not? The choices you make in these and billions of trillions of other conflicts effectively 'dent' the universe and alter time.
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He thinks that no matter what you do you can hardly dent the outcome of the universe.
We 'dent' the universe with our very existence. Every time we make a choice, the future alters. Should I eat the pizza or the pasta? Should I step on the ant hill or put poison on it? Should I have sex or not? The choices you make in these and billions of trillions of other conflicts effectively 'dent' the universe and alter time.
True. I agree. I was just saying what he meant when he said that. Not what I think.
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I love to leave people wondering: Did he actually mean that or was it one of those "I don't mean it, just stirring out of boredom."
But to say serious opinions of mine now:
I hope we don't have a soul/spirit, it complicates things. The soul would have to be some kind of tangible thing, we would have to be able to detect it, trace it, and so-on through some manner. We would therefore be 'honour-bound' so-to-speak to try to understand it, and even go as far as know how to manipulate it. Not only that, but we'd have to learn what purpose it serves. I've NEVER heard any description of it that isn't abstract crap to be quite blunt.
"It's make you you." yes, because that is a perfectly sensible statement that doesn't loop around or anything like that what-so-ever <_<
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I love to leave people wondering: Did he actually mean that or was it one of those "I don't mean it, just stirring out of boredom."
But to say serious opinions of mine now:
I hope we don't have a soul/spirit, it complicates things. The soul would have to be some kind of tangible thing, we would have to be able to detect it, trace it, and so-on through some manner. We would therefore be 'honour-bound' so-to-speak to try to understand it, and even go as far as know how to manipulate it. Not only that, but we'd have to learn what purpose it serves. I've NEVER heard any description of it that isn't abstract crap to be quite blunt.
"It's make you you." yes, because that is a perfectly sensible statement that doesn't loop around or anything like that what-so-ever <_<
You could kind of think of it as that which animates your physical body. Somewhat abstract, yeah, but that's what happens when you try to describe something not physical with physical perception.
But you'd really rather have it where you fall into infinite nothingness-- no longer being able to comprehend, conceive, think-- over existing beyond this world? =o
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Yep.
Simply put:
If I thought I had to go through a whole other life I'd kill myself now.
Just to add something: I can think of no worse a fate than Reincarnation.
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If you thought I was talking about reincarnation, I wasn't.
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Yep.
Simply put:
If I thought I had to go through a whole other life I'd kill myself now.
Just to add something: I can think of no worse a fate than Reincarnation.
You wouldn't know you'd be living a new life. You'd be living your first life again as someone new.
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If you thought I was talking about reincarnation, I wasn't.
I know, I just wanted to add my views on reincarnation.
Yep.
Simply put:
If I thought I had to go through a whole other life I'd kill myself now.
Just to add something: I can think of no worse a fate than Reincarnation.
You wouldn't know you'd be living a new life. You'd be living your first life again as someone new.
And that makes it a better fate...how?
If we go by the 'good actions good next life' thing, you're screwed. If you do 'good' in one life (ignoring my egoism belief that all actions are selfish), odds are your life was crap (quite bluntly), hence why you do good. Then, if you're born into a good life, odds are you won't be as good so you'll be born into a worse life. It's pretty much a cycle. Because you don't retain any memories, you'd never learn from the past life and as a result the cycle would never break.
If we go by random chance as to what your 'next life' would be like, then that's just cruel. Seriously, if you were given a choice, would you honestly say "You know what? I want to go back and live for another 80 years in that war-filled, violent place where while small comforts are found life is guaranteed to be, unless in the slight chance I'm born into wealth, outweighed by the fact that every day is really just a fight to survive and stay on top of things."
I realise by 16 year old, white, English Middle Class arse has no right to complain about suffering, which is kinda my point that your family, environment and such are really just 'luck of the draw' and for most people in the world their luck ain't so good :P
To quote Bender: If I thought I had to go through a whole other life, I'd kill myself now.
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And of course, who says reincarnation is strictly between humans? A mouse could die and become a shark. Hell yeah, motherfucker. And besides, all the crappy things you're reborn as only last a few years before they die again. I personally believe in chi, a little like life energy, which when you die is somehow transferred to another human. Perhaps the next child down your line to be born once you die? I mean, I'm tall like my Great Granddad on my mother's side was- and he died before I was born, and he's the only guy in either my mum or dad's side to have had tall genes since him. I've been thinking, if chi is somehow transferred to another unborn human, it has to be during conception. However, chi is to be found throughout the universe, and in all living things. So perhaps all their chi is spread out along the food chain, and eventually you just randomly become something else. Take a look at yourself right now. You're seeing from your eyes. Like you're watching a TV. You can't watch more than one TV- that would be living two lives at the same time, being more than one person at once even. So say you have the remote now. When you die, where is the remote passed to as your energy is distributed? My guess is whatever's unborn, and your chi then grows and flourishes in it- you become it. However, chi is just chi, it doesn't vary from person to person, it's just universal energy. Yes, it kind of is like life energy, that's the best way of describing it- but it's not your life. So once you die you'll just die. But the remote is passed onto any random unborn child. Maybe during contraception, maybe at birth. So you're dead, but there's another person making slef-influenced actions, who's watching the TV. The other people you see, you can't see what they see, they can't see what you see- they're not you. They're not doing everything as you command it, unlike yourself. They don't have control, in that sense. Or you don't have control over them, whatever. Anyways, the point is control is somehow passed to another human or living thing. You're dead, but maybe there's something inside us that controls us. Or perhaps I'm delusional and it's just our brains. Meh, I'll find out when I get there. What's the point in looking at death when we've got the rest of our lives ahead of us?
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Meh, I'll find out when I get there.
if we end up in the same place, look me up ;D
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Seeing as I am the ultimate overlord of space I will not die and will live forever, but due to me never truly knowing that I am this supreme overlord, I will live a mortal's life and then be reborn on another planet. Having yet another mortal life, and so the cycle continues.
I'm also what really killed the dinosaurs.
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Seeing as I am the ultimate overlord of space I will not die and will live forever, but due to me never truly knowing that I am this supreme overlord, I will live a mortal's life and then be reborn on another planet. Having yet another mortal life, and so the cycle continues.
I'm also what really killed the dinosaurs.
Wow. That was stupid.