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Re: Down Time
« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2008, 10:39:01 pm »
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Could make the quote text green.. and the normal post text black.
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Re: Down Time
« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2008, 11:56:11 pm »
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Quote from: Vash on August 08, 2008, 10:39:01 pm
Could make the quote text green.. and the normal post text black.
That's a good idea.

I also think that the CP would be good for a sub-board. I mean, it seems that even though it's been moving slowly, we WERE making progress.
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« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2008, 12:05:14 am »
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I like the green text. If you want your text black just color it.
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« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2008, 12:07:02 am »
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Quote from: Regulus on August 09, 2008, 12:05:14 am
I like the green text. If you want your text black just color it.
stop saying stupid stuff.
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« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2008, 12:10:14 am »
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I think he is saying just to do it, like this: Pokemon is a slave trade, and Pikachu is a slave master.  It takes a while to get used the the green, but it grows on you and it is not so over-imposing as black is and it makes the theme feel good.  Especially on the index page, it works out well.  Meh, I do not know.
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« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2008, 05:11:53 am »
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Quote from: Infini on August 08, 2008, 09:28:51 pm
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Hmm... Why is the community project in the archives?
Because the admins fet that it dosen't have any of the traits of a community project. Its more of a private project that just happens to be using the tallent of some of the zfgc members. We've explained this to the main staff of the CP and have given them several weeks to clean everything up, I've just moved it there until they decide what to do.

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I like the new look so far... except that big advertisement on the right. It takes too much place!
I actually thinks it takes up the right amount of space. Though I need to widen everything else, as the forum is getting a bit squashed.

How does the ZFGCSDK or whatever it's called have the traits of a community project more than ZFGCCP?
When did I say it did? I actually said, and I quote: "ZFGSDK isn't meant to be one".

But the SDK gets its own board and the CP doesn't?
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Re: Down Time
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2008, 05:17:00 am »
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The SDK is something that is contributing to ZFGC as a whole. The CP just... exists.
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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2008, 05:22:40 am »
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Quote from: Minalien on August 09, 2008, 05:17:00 am
The SDK is something that is contributing to ZFGC as a whole. The CP just... exists.

What does that even mean? No it's not, it's only contributing to people who are interested in game development. The SDK "just exists" by your definition; in fact, the CP probably has contributed to the community more than the SDK has so far, by drawing various talent together to develop a game.
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« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2008, 05:23:54 am »
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Show me what you currently have as far as the source for the CP.
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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2008, 05:24:55 am »
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It's not open source. What does that have to do with anything?

You know what, this topic isn't the place to be arguing this. Obviously the staff made the decision they thought was best and I'm not going to try and change it. I disagree with it and think it's hypocritical that the SDK gets a board of its own (hmm, wonder why that may be. Infini is developing it, maybe, and he's an administrator? Can't contradict that logic).

Whatever, at least now that it's archived the key people working on it can stop dealing with billions of random invalid ideas and pressure from people to release source code (which I was going to do later anyway).
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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2008, 05:26:46 am »
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The "community" aspect of it. How is it a community project if it's closed-source?
You're just a team of developers working on just another fan game, which happens to be on ZFGC.
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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2008, 05:29:42 am »
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Quote from: Scooternew on August 09, 2008, 05:24:55 am
It's not open source. What does that have to do with anything?

I've got to agree with Ken here; it's a community project... By definition it should be completely open to the community; source and all. Realistically, it was essentially the same as every fan-game here. It, much like every other fan game here would greatly benefit from the current system. Although, talk to Infinitus about adding access-rights to project pages, so you can assign users who can modify your project page.

As for the SDK; it's a full development kit for Zelda games. It's much more suited for having it's own board, as it will have a learning curve. It's like a much more reliable GameMaker geared towards Zelda games. It's far more complex, and needing of a board.
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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2008, 05:33:01 am »
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Quote from: Minalien on August 09, 2008, 05:26:46 am
The "community" aspect of it. How is it a community project if it's closed-source?
You're just a team of developers working on just another fan game, which happens to be on ZFGC.

The SDK is just a team of developers working on a project. Definitely doesn't involve the entire community in its development.

And I've said this so many times it makes my brain hurt thinking about it; it's a community project by virtue of the fact that a team of members from all over the community were working on it. It doesn't have to be open for everyone to see or open-source coding to be a community project. I just absolutely fail to see why no one can understand this or agree with me here.

I PM'ed various admins requesting the CP boards be private again yet no one responded, and the admins made it public without giving the developers of the CP any true say in it.

You know what, this topic isn't the place to be arguing this. Obviously the staff made the decision they thought was best and I'm not going to try and change it. I disagree with it and think it's hypocritical that the SDK gets a board of its own (hmm, wonder why that may be. Infini is developing it, maybe, and he's an administrator? Can't contradict that logic). I also think the way I was informed of the board's being removed was kinda unprofessional. But I'm done discussing it here.

Whatever, at least now that it's archived the key people working on it can stop dealing with billions of random invalid ideas and pressure from people to release source code (which I was going to do later anyway).
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« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2008, 05:35:31 am »
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The "community" aspect of it. How is it a community project if it's closed-source?
You're just a team of developers working on just another fan game, which happens to be on ZFGC.

The SDK is just a team of developers working on a project. Definitely doesn't involve the entire community in its development.

And I've said this so many times it makes my brain hurt thinking about it; it's a community project by virtue of the fact that a team of members from all over the community were working on it. It doesn't have to be open for everyone to see or open-source coding to be a community project. In fact, I PM'ed various admins requesting the CP boards be private again yet no one responded, and the admins made it public without giving the developers of the CP any true say in it.

You know what, this topic isn't the place to be arguing this. Obviously the staff made the decision they thought was best and I'm not going to try and change it. I disagree with it and think it's hypocritical that the SDK gets a board of its own (hmm, wonder why that may be. Infini is developing it, maybe, and he's an administrator? Can't contradict that logic). I also think the way I was informed of the board's being removed was kinda unprofessional. But I'm done discussing it here.

Whatever, at least now that it's archived the key people working on it can stop dealing with billions of random invalid ideas and pressure from people to release source code (which I was going to do later anyway).

Community project isn't supported by ZFGC, therefore "ZFGCCP" =/= Community Project
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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2008, 05:41:50 am »
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*sigh*

SDK is a staff sponsored project.

Community Project is a Community based project created by the users.

I apologize that your boards got 'demoted' during my administration, but it was felt by other administrators that the project was not progressing in a way we saw fit for it to be endorsed by us. -- Maybe it can be reconsidered or better organized in a way that fits the needs of the current admins.. My envision for endorsed projects was something along the lines of specific projects meeting specific requirements to get dedicated boards for discussion areas.. The way the new site is set up that really isn't needed with game pages.

I'm sure the CP will move along successfully if all goes well, don't give up on it, it was imo just a lack of communication on the administrations part and discussions with the head people of the CP. While I did endorse it and agree with it, I never followed up on any of it at all.

I think fighting over it/debating over it is kind of petty at this point.
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« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2008, 06:21:43 am »
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How do you check PM's with this new site? I don't know where the old bar was moved to.
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« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2008, 06:22:46 am »
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Quote from: Scooternew on August 09, 2008, 06:21:43 am
How do you check PM's with this new site? I don't know where the old bar was moved to.

Upper right hand corner, in the titlebar
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« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2008, 07:07:30 pm »
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Meh, I am also pissed off at the community project, It feels really sad that the admin without asking any opinion just decided to move the board, I completely agree with Scooternew.

For me the SDK is no different than the CP, we have seen many tries at making engines for zelda games, what is the difference on this one? It is another project, following the Admins/Staff logic, the SDK doesn't need a board like the CP, because it is a private project and even if it leaves something to the community it shouldn't have a special board. IMO we should return the CP, I know it has been a year and no important progress has been made, but in the last two months we have seen many NPCs and the Rich side, The only reason there haws not been progress is due to the staff not doing anything productive to make people work at it. Seriously how many Fan games do we have? 10? 20? but the difference is that the CP is for anyone to work at it. As I said to Infini by PM we can always make the SDK the engine to the CP. I know it will take alot for the SDK to be fully developed, but the CP will also take alot to be concidered complete.
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« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2008, 07:09:53 pm »
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Quote from: Kren on August 09, 2008, 07:07:30 pm
...but the difference is that the CP is for anyone to work at it.
!@#$%. Scooter won't freely give out the source on request, which means that he's the only one able to work on the programming aspects of it. How is that available for "anyone to work at it?"
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« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2008, 07:12:01 pm »
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Quote from: Minalien on August 09, 2008, 07:09:53 pm
Quote from: Kren on August 09, 2008, 07:07:30 pm
...but the difference is that the CP is for anyone to work at it.
!@#$%. Scooter won't freely give out the source on request, which means that he's the only one able to work on the programming aspects of it. How is that available for "anyone to work at it?"
!@#$%, Scooter will give it to anyone who wants to work on it or has contributed on the CP, you just need to ask him. He will not give it to all the people here to see ten games with the exact same walking/stealing engine.

EDIT: and as far as I remember I haven't seen another coder wanting to work in the CP.
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