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Debates / Re: Gay marriage

« on: June 07, 2006, 08:57:10 pm »

Politicians are supposed to give there vote to what their VOTERS want, not some feel-good, left-wing agenda.

Why the !@#$% are we still in Iraq? Why the !@#$% is bush still in office?

You're is far from valid.

You and I both know, damn well, that There is 50%+ who want us out of Iraq, and we both damn well know, that Bush's approval rating is at 32% (which if he were impeached for.. something) would be enough to get him out of office..

So please, don't toss that book around.

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Your comments, to my ideas, and feelings, make me wonder how you

actually feel about the passing of an ammendment, because they sort of

contridict eachother, the ammendment would be far from civil/equal

rights.

We all know that I think homosexuality is immoral, right?  Now, if we start

treating them individually different than everyone else, then that's where we

have problems.  You'll hear me argue to allow them to have adoption rights

(even though I'd rather they didn't adopt).  You'll hear me argue to allow them to have hospital visitation rights, and civil unions.  What I don't want is for them to ruin everyone else's rights and redefine marriage against what society wants, and tear down the most basic unit of society, one that is more important than government itself.

Call it a spiritual issue.  I believe in protecting society and everything it stands for.

You cann't assume, that everyone here, no matter what their religion is, by default feels homosexuality is 'immorial'. I think thats a very bad assumption. I, and you said it before, we are not here to judge what they do in their homes, in their bedrooms, the solid so called 'imorial' part of it. So, lets continue to not judge it, and discuss the civil rights here, the constituional rights, of all men being equal.

The quote below is from my American Government Text Book.

The earliest known evidences of government date from ancient Egypt. More than 2300 years ago  the greek philosopher Aristole observed that "man is by nature a political animal"**

**In most of the world's written poltical record, the words man and men have been widely used to refer to all of humankind. This text follows that form when presenting excerpts from the historal writings or documents and in reference to them.

The point of me grabbing that is so you cant, and wont swing back and tell me, that Jefferson did not mean mankind, or humankind when he wrote the Decleration of Independent, on which concepts our country is founded.

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Debates / Re: Gay marriage

« on: June 07, 2006, 11:20:45 am »

Possum, you dug yourself in a hole. I realise you agreed with me, but your agreement makes no sense. If we want to give people equal rights, we are creating a concept of 'gay marriage'. Why not take it from a different point of view. Lets abolish the concept of marriage all together, and create the concept of unions, civil unions. Marriage can be done, if needed, within the privacy of your own family. As a 'celebration'.

If we are not trying to give people gay marriage, we're trying to make it so they can marry as anyone else can. That is the concept of equal rights.. I don't think we want a bill stating that 'homosexuals can marry eachother'. I think we want a bill stating, marriage is a bond between two people who love eachother above *incert age here*.

Your comments, to my ideas, and feelings, make me wonder how you actually feel about the passing of an ammendment, because they sort of contridict eachother, the ammendment would be far from civil/equal rights.

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Debates / Re: Gay marriage

« on: June 06, 2006, 10:15:58 pm »

In terms of statistics, thats true, for the status of statistics, but the marriage itself, should not be any different, in terms of paid taxes, or benifits.

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Debates / Re: Gay marriage

« on: June 06, 2006, 10:10:00 pm »

I don't see the positive point of taking away the rights of an american person based on their personal life. These people want to live and have lives just like you and I. Yes, they can, but they cant be married? What are we giving them. They have the right to get married, just as anyone else has the right to get married. If you love someone, that bond cannot be broken. Whether their black, white, or gay? Its not our business what they do in their bedrooms, or how they do it, or why they do it, or whether their in line with YOUR way of thinking. This isn't about us, its about them, and their rights as americans. They should have no difference rights, based on who they are.

Are we going to make it illegal for gays to vote, because they'll all be pissed off at conservitives for voting against their ability to be gay, or marry as a homosexual? Where does it stop? It needs to stop here. We need to allow people who love eachother, do what they want to do to express their love with that other individual, no matter if we disagagree with it or agree with it. Our nation was founded on the individual's concept of freedom.

The goal of America should be giving everyone the right to be equal. Some say thats impossible, which in some cases it is. But we need to make an attempt at giving people the right to be equal, not supressing their rights, or taking them away. That is not the job of America, we are here to give people an attempt at an equal life, so they can have happiness. We can't take away the happiness, because we disagree with their life style. That my friends is descrimination, and if you disagree with that being descrimination, then you clearly don't understand the concept of descrimination.

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Feedback / Re: Fecel matter? can me please redo the s**t censor?

« on: June 06, 2006, 08:45:21 pm »

I honestly think all of the filters need changed to something else. I'll start a topic in the mod section on the matter. Some of them are just as offensive, as the word/phrase itself.

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Feedback / Re: Some ideas to get us back on track... ( Topic 2 )

« on: June 05, 2006, 08:12:01 am »

There are a lot of things that need to be done to re-focus ZFGC. Keep the Ideas coming.

Also, what is Z3. :p I've been out of the loop for a few days.

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Feedback / Re: Cancelled Projects Board

« on: June 05, 2006, 08:10:09 am »

Sounds like something that could fit into an 'archived topics' board. Maybe as a child board. Seems to make some sense to me.

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Feedback / Re: Spam in Other Areas Besides Spam

« on: June 05, 2006, 03:18:40 am »

I justed posted something that is a pretty solid plan.  Something that provides a direction for the community and benefits people.  Graphics would help people making fangames, attract a larger crowd of people who are interested in those sprites, and generally increase all non-spam areas.  If my idea is coordinated with Z3, it could reinvigorate this forum easily.

By the way, your idea was posted in the admin section, i think alex replied to what i wrote, no one else did, and there it continues  to sit.

If i can manage to get justin to actually talk with me, and Alex agrees with the idea, i'm sure we can find a way to add it into our system.

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Feedback / Re: Spam in Other Areas Besides Spam

« on: June 05, 2006, 03:00:12 am »

   I feel that if I were modded, I could handle most of the problem in the other boards, but others probably feel that I would not do a good job; I have to do a lot of the moderator???s work already (i.e. I see rule breaking, report it, wait five to thirty minutes, and then finally get resolution).  Part of the problem could be resolved with some people who could handle situations like I could.

   If we are going to have a Spam forum which hurts the forum through its presence, then there should be something that benefits the forum because of it.  I have proposed to the administration an idea that would help: an advertisement system in Spam.  Before everyone throws feces at their screens like gorillas, then I would like to further explain my idea.  Similar to how advertisement was done at GamersAdvanced, there would be an advertisement in a topic as the second post on a page.  The advertisements would benefit the forum by providing financial revenue.  Spam, the board of the most activity, would at least have some purpose.  I would also call for an end to double posting in Spam.  Honestly, how much space does one need to post something stupid?

   The problem with the advertisement system is that it would only serve to mask the larger problem though.  There would still be an imbalance in activity in the forum.  Spam would not be as much of a problem if other boards increased in activity as well.  A problem with making fangames is getting the animations right on sprites.  If we had people work on animating sprites and organizing them for others to use, then the activity in the Graphics sections would increase, and eventually Work-In-Progress would increase as graphically appealing games started rolling out.  This may seem like an impossible idea, but if it were set up around the Z3 expo, then it might work.  If people were worried that their sprite animations would help the other entrants, then they could release them at the end of the expo.  They could also release them before and let the other entrants work on their programming more, but it would be up to them.

This is why I was about to make you a Mod just before I got booted. ;D

I think the largest problem is ZFGC has zero direction. Our goal was to get things going for alex, and give him direction on where it should be going. We stopped having meetings, because kirby comes on like once every two weeks. (never is on IRC either.). I got sick for about two weeks, and fell entirely out of the loop in terms of ZFGC/DSR/Windfyre any other project I currently work on.

The forum needs direction, and a solid plan. Other wise it will go no where. Which is why... we should.. stop doing what we're doing now, and try to layout a plan to put ZFGC on track, rather than spinning in circles.

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Other Discussion / Re: Cheap & Good quality web hosting?

« on: June 05, 2006, 12:31:30 am »

Rats, Surpass has some awesome deals going... if i had money i'd so be on that.

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Feedback / Re: Spam in Other Areas Besides Spam

« on: June 05, 2006, 12:24:08 am »

Thinking about it more and more, I think one of the biggest problems ZFGC has had in its entire history, is leaving things up to members. Administrators need to take a stand for something they feel is correct, rather then having people sway their opinions. It defeats the purpose of having an administrator.

I suggest you look up the actual meaning of Administrator, then edit your post before you recieve the "Nazi Leader" label.

Anyway, I think pretty much everything that can be said about spam here has been said...
    You guys should make a choice, keep ZFGC's best intrest in mind!

I've only found things on court appointed administrators.

Needless to say, I'm not saying we entirely thrash the idea of public opinions on matters. The only problem with it is, it gets way out of hand, and causes too much distruption in the daily life of running the forum. We shouldn't be sitting here, as administrators, constantly changing the policy to fit user 'x' 's needs, and then changing it again when user 'b' complains. Which just causes user 'x' to complain yet again. We need something solid that stays in place. A lot of things here, are done publicly, that should be done in private. As administrators, we need to fix that, so when a user complaints about something that user isn't then flamed for his/her feeling on a certin matter.

Public opinion and interest is important, but we should not base our changes directly on public opinions. Websites, and forums are not great grand democracies, we're not elected leaders. We don't have a Paraliment that creates all of our policies and laws for us, based on public interest. We're administrators, not elected officials.

You can call me what you want, a Nazi leader, what ever suits you. I don't head the forums, I'm just stating how it should be, and I'm also contridicting my post to explain that to you.

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Feedback / Re: Fecel matter? can me please redo the s**t censor?

« on: June 04, 2006, 12:20:07 pm »

I find that !@%& works just fine in most cases.

I always have the filter off. Good way to get around it 'buggin you'.

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Other Discussion / Re: Cheap & Good quality web hosting?

« on: June 04, 2006, 10:51:50 am »

I'm sure i'm days late on this.. but surpass is doing a promotion now...

" BIG PROMOTION!
Remember the "Buy 1 Plan - Get 1 Free" promotion a few years ago? IT'S BACK! Please see this page for details!

http://www.surpasshosting.com/promotion

"

check it out.

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Other Discussion / Re: Jesus

« on: June 04, 2006, 09:29:44 am »

I believe you guys have ignored the request of a moderator.

Moderators are not here to be directly ignored. Their names are in blue (on this.. skin atleast) and clearly labled 'Global Moderator'. Do not ignore them.

So, I'll be locking this topic.

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Zelda Projects / Re: [WIP] Zelda: Oracle of Life - Sunday Release

« on: June 04, 2006, 02:59:52 am »

I'm downloading the trailer at the moment, I can't wait to check it out. June 9th seems so far away right now. Do we have a 'time' frame for this, so I can set some sort of Alarm.. Due to my timezonely-ness?


Very impressive, I like the looks of things so far. I can't wait to try it out.. I'll have to clear my busy..... uh... yeah. busy.. Anyway, I can't wait to try it.

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Feedback / Re: Spam in Other Areas Besides Spam

« on: June 03, 2006, 10:50:16 pm »

Thinking about it more and more, I think one of the biggest problems ZFGC has had in its entire history, is leaving things up to members. Administrators need to take a stand for something they feel is correct, rather then having people sway their opinions. It defeats the purpose of having an administrator.

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Feedback / Re: Spam in Other Areas Besides Spam

« on: June 03, 2006, 10:06:45 pm »

Killing spam won't increase the spam elsewhere... It'll only make people forget about it and look more into fangames and such...

You realise, you're entirely incorrect.

Not allowing users to spam in an area, makes the jobs of moderators and administrators a lot harder to deal with.

If there is an area where people can let things out and act weird, its best to allow them to do so, then they wont spam up other areas of the forum, quiet as much.

Spam is something very hard to get under control in most situations, I think we do pretty well to control it here. There will be times when it slips out of our reach, and I'm sure we could do a lot better than we are doing now. We always need reforms, and we need to look at things in another view point sometimes. We're looking at other ways to improve our current spam policies as they are.

It will take time, but we'll clean up. For now I think we're doing a lot better than most places.

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Discussion / Re: Legend of Zelda: Philip's Awakening

« on: May 31, 2006, 06:19:35 am »

The post was edited, to remove sexual content, and several other not needed posts.

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Feedback / Re: What is ZFGC's focus again?

« on: May 30, 2006, 08:04:39 pm »

Reasons not to Mod in the morning.

1) You Can't Read
2) Pages, clearly at the bottom of the screen, become not visible.
3) You mistake one post, with what seems to be complaints below it, with an entire thread

Anyway, sorry about that guys. ^.^ I shouldn't mod in the morning.

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Entertainment / Re: PS3 Marketing Discussion

« on: May 23, 2006, 06:02:39 pm »

If I remember right, Sony once said "We will not be marketing the PlayStation3 as a console, but as a media machine".

We'll see if they continue on with that.