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Title: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: NeoGeo-x on August 09, 2007, 07:45:30 pm
I (and I assume Hoffy as well) am very interested in what your thoughts are on the past competition. If the both of us will be around for next year's edition, we don't know. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.. but I do think that there should be something to be learned from this competition. Therefore I invite anyone who participated in the competition (whether that'd be submitting a character, voting or just looking at the topic) to fill out this survey. Hoffy and I will probably get together to discuss the results and write a final report afterwards. We'll read this next summer if it is us who will organize the 2008 comp. If not, we'll pass this to our successors. Please copy what's in the code tags and replace <answer> by your response.

Hoffy, if you read this; add questions as you see fit.

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[b]First off, did you submit a character? Why/Why not?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.[/b]
- <answer>

[b]What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.[/b]
- <answer>

[b]This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right number?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]How often did you vote?[/b]
- <answer>

[b]What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...[/b]
- <answer>
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Theforeshadower on August 09, 2007, 07:51:32 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
- no
Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- yes

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- didn't see it

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- Excellent...
Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- Didn't know that...

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- No...If it is a draw....put them up against another character...Have a bracket system with wins/losses/and ties...

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- There was plenty of beautiful artwork...

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
- Maybe more just to ease the burdon

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- ?????

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- Prizes...real prizes...such as Photshop,Dark Basic,games,t-shirts with ,"I won zfgc.com Character Competition!"  I'd enter and wear it if I won ^^.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: zfan10927 on August 09, 2007, 08:06:35 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
- Nope

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- The board setup was kind of messy. I would have had a seperate match board (doubles as archive), a misc discussion, and then the entries as it was.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- Seems fine to me.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- The Divisions worked out ok, but themed divisions (actually based on the characters) would be interesting as well. Like, if there were a lot of muscly characters, make a "Strength" division. That may or may not work out, depending on the year's submissions.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- Potato did compete before, and Petey Piranha was, well, completely unoriginal

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- The "merging" was a great idea, except it was pretty sloppy. Maybe the authors could get together and create a better version?

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- It was alright. The bracket was useful.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
- As many as you need. Minus the away time, you could have probably done it yourself. That brings up a point, though- there should always be a substitute.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- Absolutely.

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- Encouragement to make a less kiddy story. Save the power of love for Pokemon, please.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Colbydude on August 09, 2007, 08:39:45 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
- Yup the Red Shirt boys

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- Yeah I think so

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- nah it was good

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- I liked it, but I was put in a bad match

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- I don't really care

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- I thought it was funnier, but there should have been some sort of a rematch.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- Yes I thought it came together quite nicely.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
- It seems to be fine with two people.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- Sure why not...

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- Why did RSB go up against Hyrule_boy in the first match?
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Piers on August 09, 2007, 08:58:40 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
 Nope.

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
 Absolutely. It could've went a bit faster but for two people, you did a great job.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
 No complaints here.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
 Again, no complaints.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
 I believe you should be able to use characters from other sources/previous years as long as you build on them. You can't submit Mario but you can submit Mario's twin cousin who sits on the couch eating potato chips all day.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
 I love it. So much more original then making a new round.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
 A bit to pokemon-ish but good altogether.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
 If you can speed up the preperations/competition, sure.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
 Yep.

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
 Allow previous characters/copyrighted characters as long as they are built on. Try to speed it up.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Kame on August 09, 2007, 09:15:17 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
- Yes.

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- Yes, you guys did great.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- It worked pretty well, I think.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- They were done pretty well on the whole.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- Yes. I think they probably would've taken away some from the fun of the competition.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "nmerged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- As I mentioned in another topic, I think the ideal solution would be to give the two authors a couple days to ome up with a joint character, be it a simple merge or a new character, or one could choose to forfeit, of course. If this were impossible, merging would be the automatic action.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- Definitely. This was my favorite thing about the competition, besides the matches themselves. It made it much more engaging.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
- I doubt it would've really mattered, but two did seem to be a good amount, as you managed to cover all the bases quite well and worked well together.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- Definitely - it added alot to the suspense of the finals match.

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- I think there should have been a more celebratory attitude in the end. I was expecting Hane's image to be shown in the news fader at least. Or a nice celebratory video, or something would've been great. As it was, it felt just like all the other matches in the end.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Ricky on August 09, 2007, 09:28:01 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
- No, however, when I had a great idea for it, it was already late, and I was massively busy with tennis on that time, maybe next year. ;)

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- Yes. However, even though the idea of fusioning characters who have drawn is funny, I think there could be another way to do it.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- I don't think there's another way through... But, I think it's okay...

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- Funnier names... (Remembers We Don't Need No Education division xD)

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- Yes, there are rules for some reason... Petey Piranha as a character would be pretty much submit Mario or Link as a character.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- A second votation... maybe, not a good idea, I suppose...

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- I think it was okay, but a comic strip with any character would be excellent... xD

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
- They did a good job. I think it worked well.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- Yup.

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- Maybe a bit more of time for the submissions...

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
- Nothing in special.

How often did you vote?
- Everyday I was here.

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
- Just the charisma transmitted by the character from the art.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Domo on August 09, 2007, 09:29:29 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
    Yes.

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
    Yes.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
    I felt that it accomplished exactly what it was supposed to and worked very well.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
    The Divisions worked fine IMO.  I don't see any reason to change them in the future.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
    It seemed fair enough, though since Potato was withdrawn prematurely in the first competition I suppose an argument could be made for him to have been allowed.  Still, it seemed fair.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
    I didn't have any problem with the merging of characters since all of the creators were fine with it.  I do however think that there should be a better solution in the event that creators do not want their characters merged.  Whether it's a rematch or just an extension of time until one more person places a vote, (the latter seems like a better idea), something should be devised before next year for situations like this.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
    I think there was plenty of supporting artwork and I can think of no way that it could be improved.  I just don't see how anything can get better than this:
(http://www.filehigh.com/serve/29906/464048.png)

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right number?
    I think you two are the only ones who could accurately answer this question.  I think you both did a great job, but if it was too much work than maybe another member or two could help out next time.  I think that there should be at least two in charge to avoid any sort of corruption though.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
    It was a good way to settle an old fight, but as things currently stand there doesn't seem to be any sort of unresolved fight from this year.  I could take it or leave it either way, honestly.

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
    I don't have any suggestions for next, though I do have a general comment... 

    Ninja-Zombie's final match was somewhat frustrating to me at first...How could Ninja-Zombie lose to a character(s) simply because it looked funny and had a funny name?  It bothered me a lot until FISSURE also lost to him/it...and as it turned out, I did even better than FISSURE against Mr. Tommy Wrongkudan:

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Ninja-Zombie #1459320340 - 14 (41.2%)
Mr. Tommy Wrongkudan - 20 (58.8%)
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Mr. Tommy Wrongkudan - 29 (69%)
FISSURE - 13 (31%)

That surprised me quite a bit and made me feel better.  I have to wonder if I would have won against FISSURE...According to both polls I would have, but at the same time I think I would have lost by a landslide, (there was such overwhelming support for FISSURE...how could I have won?).


NEW QUESTIONS EDIT:
What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
    Honestly, that's a very hard question.  I guess I would have to say my favorite part of the competition was the all the shenanigans and various propaganda within each match's thread.  Also, I enjoyed the signatures.  Maybe in the next competition make it a requirement to make a signature...I guess that doesn't really matter a whole lot.

How often did you vote?
    Every time.

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
    It depended on the matches.  Overall I always voted for the character with the best combination of art and story.  If there was a character with a very good story but not-so-good art versus a character with very good art but a nonexistent story, I would choose the character with the better story....hands down.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: InvaderLupus on August 09, 2007, 09:32:16 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
- Yes

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- Absolutely. Everything was great.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- It worked out alright.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- I felt the Divisions were nice. They didn't have much to do with the characters, but it was good to divide them up.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- Yes.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- It seemed to work out ok. I'm not sure it was the best solution, but it was definitely the most amusing.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- I felt they were great. I just wanted to see more.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
- I felt it worked out great with just two people.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- Definitely.

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- This competition is my favorite event at ZFGC, and on the internet in general. It's the only thing that can really pique my interest at ZFGC, and get me involved in the community. I'm eagerly awaiting the next one, and only hope that it's even better than this year's.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Kame on August 09, 2007, 09:37:53 pm
Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
    It was a good way to settle an old fight, but as things currently stand there doesn't seem to be any sort of unresolved fight from this year.  I could take it or leave it either way, honestly.
Petey Piranha vs. Gruffy and Chuffy. Oh yes.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: mit on August 09, 2007, 09:38:32 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
Yes.

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
Yes.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
It was fine - except that the "random" placing of the characters could have been better. Rather than number of views, it might have been better to use number of replies.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
Goroneater and FISSURE shouldn't have faced each other so soon. There shouldn't have been two not doing a preround in the same division, it would have been better to let the best characters fight last.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
Yeah.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
It was an excellent, innovative and funny solution, but shouldn't be repeated, or it'd go stale. The next time it happens, I'm sure we can come up with another solution.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
All good. The competition didn't have the same sort of banner-making extravaganza of the first competition, but that's just how the users responded. Maybe we should have encouraged more of the craziness (such as the Spud Wars posters and so on).

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
Dunno.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
Sure

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
We should have more entrants to make the better ones stand out more. I dunno, advertise or spread the word or something... have a prize maybe. There were a few epic characters here, but they were gone too soon.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Moldrill on August 09, 2007, 09:43:42 pm
First off, did you submit a character?
- Yes

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- Definitely. It felt very organized.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- It is a good concept executed nicely.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- I think they should not be so random. Perhaps different from the past competitions though. Different Divisions but the same concept.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- Yes for Petey; no for Potato. Say Potato WAS allowed into the competition this year. Then NEXT year he should not be allowed into the competition. But since Potato was from the First Character Competition he has had some time away from the spotlight. This should go for everyone.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- No. Although it was amusing; in some scenarios it would not work and it would just look like a stupid excuse for a tie; which it really is beneath all that humor. I can't actually come up with a better alternative but I did not like the idea. Sorry guys.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- Again the idea is nice but it was executed poorly. I think you should be more consistent with the VS Pictures.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
- :P You made a typo in the question. ...Anyways it had just enough people so that I didn't feel like Big Brother was rigging the whole thing.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- Yes but be more creative like: Infinitus vs. TRM or something. Or: Moldrill vs. Moldorma! >:U

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- Yes. Good job guys. Chopik's world will return next year with a new character in the same general setting. :)
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Hoffy on August 09, 2007, 09:52:04 pm
Added 3 more questions.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: NeoGeo-x on August 09, 2007, 10:44:48 pm
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Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- ?????
PROFIT

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Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- Why did RSB go up against Hyrule_boy in the first match?
Because the lottery said so. It's beyond my influence (as it should be), really :p
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Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
 I believe you should be able to use characters from other sources/previous years as long as you build on them. You can't submit Mario but you can submit Mario's twin cousin who sits on the couch eating potato chips all day.
Could you please give me a clear answer in regard to Petey and Potato? Would you have allowed them?
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This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right numer?
 If you can speed up the preperations/competition, sure.
We did one match a day deliberately, to add to the tension. The preparations took so long only because of the submitters posting their characters very late :p
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Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
    It seemed fair enough, though since Potato was withdrawn prematurely in the first competition I suppose an argument could be made for him to have been allowed.  Still, it seemed fair.
Well, Potato was already in the competition. He had even won a match.
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What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
It was fine - except that the "random" placing of the characters could have been better. Rather than number of views, it might have been better to use number of replies.
We *will* use another system next year for certain. Now that the topic-view technique has been revealed, frauds could easily viewspam their characters into a "safe" position
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What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
Goroneater and FISSURE shouldn't have faced each other so soon. There shouldn't have been two not doing a preround in the same division, it would have been better to let the best characters fight last.
Once again, don't blame me.. it was completely random. Even the place of the "qualified" characters was random. That's how Goroneater and FISSURE were forced to fight so early.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Domo on August 09, 2007, 11:51:58 pm
What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
Goroneater and FISSURE shouldn't have faced each other so soon. There shouldn't have been two not doing a preround in the same division, it would have been better to let the best characters fight last.

That's debatable.

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Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
    It seemed fair enough, though since Potato was withdrawn prematurely in the first competition I suppose an argument could be made for him to have been allowed.  Still, it seemed fair.
Well, Potato was already in the competition. He had even won a match.

Agreed.  I think it was the right thing to do, especially considering that Potato could have very well won this competition due to his relative fame.  I was just saying that a point could be made for him to have been allowed, no matter how slim of a chance of it happening.

Also, I edited the new questions into my last post.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Moldrill on August 10, 2007, 12:28:20 am
My answer to the new last three...

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
- Favorite part? Please be more specific. What are the "parts" of this competition. Characters? The Matches? I liked the more humorous characters and reading there stories. Contrary to popular belief the interneb is not serious business. I want more silly next time! >:U

How often did you vote?
- Every damn match.

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
- Art. ...and silliness.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Kame on August 10, 2007, 12:57:23 am
What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
- My favorite part? The atmosphere. It was a lot of fun and easy to get into.

How often did you vote?
- Every day I was here. So I missed about a week of votes.

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
- Overall presentation. For example, even though I thought Mr. Wrong's description got pretty ridiculous, I still voted for him, because I thought he had a good concept and good presentation.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Kren on August 10, 2007, 01:16:41 am
First off, did you submit a character? Why/Why not?
- No,  I didn't came with a good Idea to submit :/

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- I will try to do this the most honestly I can so I do say no :/, I was expecting more propaganda as in more signatures, saying X character sucks etcetc, probably that was creators fault, and some people didn't really knew what they had to do, and had alot of problems seeing veterans doing amazing jobs

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
I really like it so the final match is not that obvious

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
yes

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
yes I don't want to see a comp using only old characters( unless you do a division for them)

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
I liked it. But that character needed a topic with signatures story etcetc,

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
yes I liked the artwork

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right number?
As many people as you want

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
Yes but you didn't give time for publicity :/

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
Not really I like it the way it is.

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
hmm, dunno really :/

How often did you vote?
probably daily

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
hmm, well first art, then the story.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Dantztron 3030 on August 10, 2007, 01:49:43 am
First off, did you submit a character? Why/Why not?
Yes. Swiftu came to me with the idea for Hyrule_boy in IRC, much lulz were had, I agreed.

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
You did just fine.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
lolwut

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
Yeah, I liked it. What caused those names to be chosen?

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
Petey, technically. Potato, not really, but he was in the Intermezzo so no problem.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
Yes, I thought it was hilarious.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
They were all very nicely done, although a regularly updated bracket would have been nice (did I just miss this?)

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right number?
I don't think it would have mattered, really.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
YES!

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
Teams?

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
i dunno lol

How often did you vote?
Most of the time.

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
The concept of the character.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Alchemist on August 10, 2007, 07:59:34 am
First off, did you submit a character? Why/Why not?
- Yus. Because HoF told me to and I thought it might be fun.

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- Yus, definitely.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- I don't know, I just thought of it as a a part of the whole competition (although it was, I meant as a part of each of the divisions as a whole)

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- They are a good way to categorize the characters, but I didn't see how some characters had anything to do with Snowstorm or Flood elements in relation to their character 8D

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- I didn't see the reason for it, so I don't know.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- At first it was giddy and funny, but I think next time definitely there should be alternative solutions.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- Yeah, me and Fox made a VS image.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right number?
- I guess it was just the right number, it was run smoothly even for two people.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- Yeah, why not, take a small break and see the two unknown gladiators duke it out.

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- Yus. Make a comic about your fights against the other opponent. Because it'll take some time, make each round last for 3 days.
I think that'll help keep the people coming back, because at first ZFGC was full into this thing, then it declined as it went on, and improved a little bit at the end (it was sort of plain, because it was only votes and left up to your imagination to play the fight.)

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
- More people participating! Make it huuuuge! It's the people's ideas and interesting characters that make it so very interesting. My favourite part of the competition was when I was actually facing Bobo. That really got me nervous and I even made a first collab art with him  :D

How often did you vote?
- Every time except Hane vs Nevermind

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
- Both in art and story. But if someone were lacking in their artistic skills, I looked at their story. Vice versa.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Vandavil on August 10, 2007, 08:00:48 am
First off, did you submit a character? Why/Why not?
No, I was thinking of, but in the end didn't have time. I will next year, I have an idea!

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
Yes... and for me it was timed excellent... comp ended around 4/5 PM, when I finish school and are back to check and vote for next round :D

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
Hm.... Good, but can be different. it was fair and just, just it needed a better way to chose who was in it.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
I would prefer a progressive one without divisions... like SSBM. The tournament style there was awesome :D

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
Potato was fine, a repeat character gets a bit *Yawn, and puting him in an intermezzo match was good, but not again plz! Petey, NO! unfair >:(

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
No. How about making a rock. paper. scissors, where both characters PM you with either Rock Paper or Scissors, and whoever wins, Goes through. the public think they're equal, so it would be up to chance.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
They were great. but, I know there was quite a bit of effort put in, how about making a little clip (for matches) with both characters falling down in black, then landing on a surface responding to whatever category there was.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right number?
To run it, yes. You could, however, hire some artists to make art... or musicians to incorporate music... etc.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
Well, I'm not sure how you'd incorporate an intermezzo match in the next years. Who'd go in? maybe an unnamed challenger against a previous winner... ?

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
Well, we could make it like the soccer world cup... well, I'm not sure if that's it, but instead of division, you have little groups, which would have 4 in each, and play one match against each other char. in the group. then the best 2 go forward and battle in elimination rounds! if there is an indivisible by 4-list, play pre rounds!

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
Well, I enjoyed the activity and most regulars were active here, and the success!

How often did you vote?
Near every-day. Missed... two or three pre/just beginning in division matches... mostly because school was getting in my way!

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
In this order: Story, Presentation/Effoert, Art.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: NeoGeo-x on August 10, 2007, 04:30:09 pm
Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
Potato was fine, a repeat character gets a bit *Yawn, and puting him in an intermezzo match was good, but not again plz! Petey, NO! unfair >:(
What makes you feel that it was unfair to disqualify Petey? Could you elaborate on that a bit please?
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Krynn on August 10, 2007, 05:26:02 pm
First off, did you submit a character? Why/Why not?
- No, I didn't have time to make one

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- Yes

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- I don't think it was useful, I think there should be Quarter Finals, Semi-Finals, Divison Finals, and Finals.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- Yes, there good for categorizing characters.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- I think Petey Piranha should have been allowed to compete, but not Potato.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- No, It was a horrible idea. I think if there is a tie it should be a 3-way match against the next character.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- Yes, they were very good.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right number?
- Just the right amount.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- I think it was kind of pointless because the Potato Vs. Wanderer match only had like 40 votes, if it had of gone through back when it was originally there would have been like 200+ votes.

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- I think you should wait tell there are enough characters to compete with quarter-finals.

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
- Everything was good.

How often did you vote?
- Every Day.

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
- Mostly the art, but the story was also influential.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Hoffy on August 10, 2007, 10:14:15 pm
Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- Yus. Make a comic about your fights against the other opponent. Because it'll take some time, make each round last for 3 days.
I think that'll help keep the people coming back, because at first ZFGC was full into this thing, then it declined as it went on, and improved a little bit at the end (it was sort of plain, because it was only votes and left up to your imagination to play the fight.)

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
- More people participating! Make it huuuuge! It's the people's ideas and interesting characters that make it so very interesting. My favourite part of the competition was when I was actually facing Bobo. That really got me nervous and I even made a first collab art with him  :D
I think these suggestions are great ideas, but somewhat difficult to manage. If we could find a person will to 30+ good looking comics over the span of 3 months, maybe, yeah, that idea would work... But if we're going to have a lot of character, it would be way too difficult.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: sjegtp on August 10, 2007, 11:01:45 pm
First off, did you submit a character? Why/Why not?
- No. I actually wanted to, but I had no ideas for it.

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- Yes.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- Good.
What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- No. We know that Inferno was the most difficult division. Goroneater and FISSURE, for instance, who were very popular characters, had to face each other in their first match.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- Yes.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- Not at all. I even made a topic to complain about it, but most people seemed to prefer the merge. Some people suggested asking the members if they agree on merging their characters, if they prefer to co-create a character together, or if they prefer a triple poll.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- Yes.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right number?
- Because of Hoffy's timezone, sometimes it seemed that there was only one person running it. Maybe 3 or 4 people would have been better.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- Very good.

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- No.

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
- From the 3rd round until the finals.

How often did you vote?
- All the matches, except the ones that took place while I was travelling (I had no access to internet in where I went).

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
- Mostly story and originality, but sometimes art.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: araknidude on August 11, 2007, 12:45:20 am
First off, did you submit a character? Why/Why not?
- No. I wanted to, though.

Do you feel us organizers have done a good job? If not, please specify.
- Sure.

What do you think of the Pre-Round system? Is it a good system or does it need amending?
- No. Just have it start normal elimination rounds. No !@#$%.

What are your thoughts about the Divisions? Are they a good way to categorize characters? Anything else about the Divisions?
- Just division 1, 2, 3 and so forth. divisons should be based into catgeories of how far you got into the comp. newcomers, underdogs, contestants, warriors, semi finalists, finalists, champion.

Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
- In a way, yeah. No repeats from previous comps. But Potato rules.

Twice in the Snowstorm Divisions, there was a draw. In both cases, the characters were "merged". Do you think this was a good solution? If not, what do you think that would be a better alternative?
- Worst decision ever. What if one of the persons didnt want to merge his character? Then the other one moves on, because the other one didnt want to merge? bullpies. in the event of a draw, just have the match put into the next day and push all other matches back one day. if the people really like one character or another,  they'll come back to vote for him again.

There was quite a lot of supporting artwork for the competition (Versus pictures, brackets, trailer). Do you think those were designed nicely? Was there enough supporting artwork? If not, please describe an alternative.
- simple, pre-made stuff will do.

This competition was run by two persons. Should there have been more, less, or was two just the right number?
- two's good, but three's better. if one person feels one way, and the second feels another way, there's a third opinion, like a referee.

Did you think the idea of an "Intermezzo match" was good enough to keep for years to come?
- Intermezzo match?

Do you have any other comments on this year's competition or are there any suggestions for 2008?
- yes. keep the character creators anonymous. several times throughout the match, i felt like a character was winning or losing because of the creator's popularity or status. just show the character and we dont need to know who the creator is. the loser character's creator be revealed at the end of the match. otherwise, it's "halu's character sux, but halu rules! i vote for halu olol"

What was your favorite part of the competition? What would you like to see more of?
- nothing.

How often did you vote?
- only in a match where I wanted one character to win more over the other one.

What aspects of the characters influenced your vote? Eg. Art, Story...
- appearance and story.
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: Vandavil on August 11, 2007, 01:50:23 am
Two characters were disqualified (Petey Piranha and Potato)? Do you think that excluding those from the competition was the right thing to do?
Potato was fine, a repeat character gets a bit *Yawn, and puting him in an intermezzo match was good, but not again plz! Petey, NO! unfair >:(
What makes you feel that it was unfair to disqualify Petey? Could you elaborate on that a bit please?
well,
Why weren't fissure or HB disqualified? If someone entered Mario, then I'd understand. BUT Petey was still a different character. All the info on Petey outside the comp was he was a plant that was an enemy against Mario. I mean, Fissure had fissure's Avatar, and his name, but you disqualify him did you?
,;Sk;,
Title: Re: Evaluation of this year's competition
Post by: NeoGeo-x on August 11, 2007, 07:06:15 am
Why weren't fissure or HB disqualified? If someone entered Mario, then I'd understand. BUT Petey was still a different character. All the info on Petey outside the comp was he was a plant that was an enemy against Mario. I mean, Fissure had fissure's Avatar, and his name, but you disqualify him did you?
First of all, Hyrule_boy was based on the member Hyrule_boy, not on Link. Second of all, his image was specifically designed for the competition. It was made by a ZFGC member, not by a Ninteno-affiliated artist. That's why I thought the character was good enough to keep around.

FISSURE was actually a borderline case. I did recognize that "FISSURE's" head was actually the head from the Saw-guy. Nevertheless, FISSURE was based on the member FISSURE and not on the moviedude. FISSURE has had that avatar of years. Someone it'd feel wrong to introduce a Fiss-character without its well-recognized avatar. There was also custom art created for him.

Petey Piranha on the other hand, had neither original art nor an original name. His "story" included an introduction of Waluigi, so that's not completely original either. Besides, when after the 2005 competition - when Kleaver didn't participate - posted that in 2006 he would be submitting Petey, I already told him that such a submission could never be allowed.

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