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General => Entertainment => Topic started by: 2awesome4apossum on August 23, 2008, 12:42:42 am
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Note: This thread is not for discussing games that never made it to your particular region, but only for games that were never "officially" released and/or were cancelled. (In example, talking about BS Zelda, the original N64 Animal Crossing or Sin & Punishment--which is actually released for the virtual console on the Wii--would be inappropriate.) No links to ROMs.
So what are your favorite games that were never officially released? Of course, the two obvious answers to Nintendo fans would be Star Fox 2, and Earthbound 64.
I really love playing the Star Fox 2 BETA and comparing it to the original and Star Fox 64 (which is what it ultimately became), and I'd certainly recommend it to any Star Fox fan. Earthbound 64 never really interested me. Sure it would be fascinating to play through the e3 demo, but even what they had planned for the game wasn't as impressive as the press hyped it up to be.
A fun Nintendo64 game that I recently found a ROM for (and unfortunately, as far as I can tell, only the (E) region has been dumped) was 40 Winks. Is it as fun as all the people on the emulation sites will tell you it is? No. Is it a "should-be classic"? No. But is it fun? Yes, as any adventure fan who had it on the PlayStation will tell you. I wouldn't put it in my top 10 of the N64... most of that is covered by Nintendo and Rare games, but it certainly is as good as 3rd party titles get for the N64.
And if you're a Rareware fan, like I am, you'll probably wish that we had a dump of Twelve Tales: Conker 64 and Dinosaur Planet. I've gotta tell you, it would be nice to have another platformer, and apparently Conker 64 was just about finished when they decided to do a 180 and turn it into the M-rated "Conker's Bad Fur Day".
Dinosaur Planet would have been lovely... I don't know what it is about Rare's graphics on the Nintendo 64, but for some reason, it's even more appealing to me than the graphics in Star Fox Adventures. It looked awesome, and I didn't care for Star Fox Adventures too much (for those of you who don't know: that's what it turned into), so it would be nice to see a ROM of the BETA. Unfortunately, I think it's less likely that we'll get a dump from any of Rareware's titles than it is for us to be getting a dump of something from Nintendo.
Dinosaur Planet had some lovely mp3s released... you ought to check them out if you're a fan of what Rare did on the Nintendo 64.
So what about you guys? What games have you played that were never "released", and which ones do you wish you *could* play?
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Kirby Tilt n' Tumble 2 for the Gamecube. I loved the original on the Gameboy Color, and it would have been kick-ass to have a 3d one. :)
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Earthbound 64.
'nuff said.
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Duke Nukem Forever.
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@ EB64, Mother 3 was basically EB64-2D :P
My favorite was released but JP only... Mario Artist for the 64DD... :( So awesome... So unattainable D:!
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@ EB64, Mother 3 was basically EB64-2D :P
I know that. EB64 would have come out here aswell as Japan.
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The third Zelda Oracles game!! O:O: And the Spaceworld Zelda, even though it was never supposed to be a game...
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Yeah, probably the third Zelda Oracle game. And Star Fox 2, I guess. Dinosaur Planet would have been better than Star Fox Adventures, but otherwise I didn't really want it.
Other than those, most games I want get released :P.
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"Starfox 2" and The third oracle game (the oracle games ruled) are the only ones I can think of. I wish "Phantom Hourglass" had been a never released title does that count?
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The Final Fantasy 6 remake for the N64.
Eventually made into a demo for some weird system that never got released either.
I remember seeing screenshots of Sabin, Edgar, and someone else in a 3-d battle which probably became part of the FF7 battle system.
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Metal Gear Solid 64. That's right, it was all set to happen man. And if it had gone through, I'm sure there would have been MGS2 and 3 on the Cube. Aw drat.
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Metal Gear Solid 64. That's right, it was all set to happen man. And if it had gone through, I'm sure there would have been MGS2 and 3 on the Cube. Aw drat.
Links please?
Oh here is the proof of FF6 n64 that was to go to SGI(never released here as far as I know?)
I saw screens back about 7 years ago so this isnt fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mzpC9JwAN0
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The Final Fantasy 6 remake for the N64.
Eventually made into a demo for some weird system that never got released either.
I remember seeing screenshots of Sabin, Edgar, and someone else in a 3-d battle which probably became part of the FF7 battle system.
It was Terra.
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Tetra's Trackers?
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Duke Nukem Forever.
Damnit, you beat me to it >_>
But seriously, I'll say...the Sequel to Quest 64. I loved the original.
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Links please?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2466851.html
I can't find the original link where I read it, but having found this second one pretty much confirms that it was at one time a possibility.
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Thanks.
Other non-releases I'd like to gander at:
The WIP 3rd zelda for the nes
The WIP 2nd zelda for snes
Google around and you may just find out what I am talking about.
They didn't know it back in 1987, but Zelda 2 was going to be last Zelda game for the Famicom system. Although Sega's Master System posed no threat to the NES dominance in the '80s, Nintendo knew that it had to come up with something new to continue its console gaming reign in the future. With both NEC and Sega nipping at its heels, Nintendo was busy cooking up the Famicom's successor, a powerful console that it claimed would redefine gaming. Not just a puny little Famicom -- a Super Famicom. Whatever concepts were thrown around for a third NES Zelda game, they were quietly converted into an even bigger project for the Super Famicom: a full-fledged sequel to the original Legend of Zelda called The Legend of Zelda: Kamigami no Triforce (The Triforce of the Gods).
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Foreshadower, there wasn't going to be a remake of FF6. That was a program designed to teach Square game designers how to make games in 3d.
I'll agree with previous posts and say the third Oracle game.
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That too. Oracle of Secrets? Oracle of Emotions? WHAT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN? Its like the popular question abuout getting to the center of a tootsie pop; the world may never know...
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Foreshadower, there wasn't going to be a remake of FF6. That was a program designed to teach Square game designers how to make games in 3d.
I'll agree with previous posts and say the third Oracle game.
Source please?
Everywhere else for the past decade has said otherwise and that it was dropped due to Square and Nintendo's dispute.
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Tetra's Trackers?
That was actually released in Japan, as part of Four Swords Adventures. I wish it was released outside Japan too, though.
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That too. Oracle of Secrets? Oracle of Emotions? WHAT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN? Its like the popular question abuout getting to the center of a tootsie pop; the world may never know...
If I recall, it was going to be something like "The Legend of Zelda: Mystical Seed of Courage".
Edit: Yeah it was.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Mystical_Seed_of_Courage
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That too. Oracle of Secrets? Oracle of Emotions? WHAT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN? Its like the popular question abuout getting to the center of a tootsie pop; the world may never know...
If I recall, it was going to be something like "The Legend of Zelda: Mystical Seed of Courage".
Edit: Yeah it was.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Mystical_Seed_of_Courage
It sucks how Flagship disbanded :(.
They did some really cool things with Zelda.
Tetra's Trackers?
That was actually released in Japan, as part of Four Swords Adventures. I wish it was released outside Japan too, though.
Also this game was weird.
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But if it had kept going along development, it would've been Oracle of Something. I think Seasons and Ages were originally Mystical Seed of Power and Mystical Seed of Wisdom.
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But if it had kept going along development, it would've been Oracle of Something. I think Seasons and Ages were originally Mystical Seed of Power and Mystical Seed of Wisdom.
You're half right. The Japanese titles were...
The Legend of Zelda: Nut of the Mysterious Tree: Chapter of Time and Space
The Legend of Zelda: Nut of the Mysterious Tree: Chapter of Earth
And the third game was titled "Mystical Seed of Courage" after it was announced canceled. I think it would be safe to assume the game would've been called Oracle of Secrets, but otherwise, you don't know.
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Foreshadower, there wasn't going to be a remake of FF6. That was a program designed to teach Square game designers how to make games in 3d.
Source please?
Everywhere else for the past decade has said otherwise and that it was dropped due to Square and Nintendo's dispute.
If by "everywhere else" you mean "on a whole bunch of angry blogs and unofficial sites run by young-uns", I agree with you. I'd leave you alone on this point if you were a little more polite, but... ;)
It was quite clearly a tech demo as Square officially said at the time, and currently says now. Here's an article that discusses how this misconception came to be: http://www.lostlevels.org/200510/
Even the weenie Wikipedia says under FFVII that it was a tech demo. To give you an idea of the numerous places who realize it was a tech demo (much like the Zelda SpaceWorld 2000 demonstration), here's a google link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Final+fantasy+n64+tech+demo
Heck, even web sites that talk about the "dispute" mention that it was a tech demo (as opposed to a planned game): http://archive.gamespy.com/articles/july03/25smartest/readers/
Where are *your* sources coming from?
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Yeah I would definitely have to go with the "Oracle of" game. IGN has a pretty interesting article on the all three of them and why the third wasn't released. The "day, noon, evening and night" aspect that they talk about is kind of intriguing. It's kind of strange though that Nintendo had Nayru pegged as the Oracle of Courage and Farore as the Oracle of Wisdom when it was opposite in The Ocarina of Time.
http://gameboy.ign.com/objects/873/873036.html#aboutThisGame
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Resident Evil 3.5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWpEE_5pDzQ
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Resident Evil 3.5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWpEE_5pDzQ
What's wrong with door-opening animations, huh?
Anyways, apart from that, the fixed camera and the fact that ghosts don't seem to fit into Resi ANYWHERE, it does actually seem to be a bit more survival horror than 4 turned out to be. Could've been a very good game. :/
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I don't care about the rules, I have to say this. Quest 64. But you say "Oh, but Kylink! They released Quest 64!" Yes, but it wasn't finished (obviously).
If they had held onto it and actually finished the game completely, there was supposed to be multiple party members and *shock* actual currency. That way, the N64 would have had an RPG that actually held up (although, I do like Quest 64 as how it was released).
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I would say...
- Twelve Tales: Conker 64 (but sadly, that's now Conker's Bad Fur Day)
- The 3rd Oracle Zelda game (for sure)
- Twilight Princess (the game was meant to be harder and have more depth but they took it out so it was easier for casual players because of the Wii)
- The sequel to Conker's Bad Fur Day (apparently there was one but it was canceled - it was titled "Conker 2: Getting Medieval").
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If they had held onto it and actually finished the game completely, there was supposed to be multiple party members and *shock* actual currency. That way, the N64 would have had an RPG that actually held up.
Have you never played Aidyn Chronicles? D:
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If they had held onto it and actually finished the game completely, there was supposed to be multiple party members and *shock* actual currency. That way, the N64 would have had an RPG that actually held up.
Have you never played Aidyn Chronicles? D:
No, in my life of going to and from the stores to buy or rent N64 games, I have never once seen that game. It must not have been very popular.
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Am I missing something here? Since when was a third Oracle game announced. Hell, Since when was one posible since farore was the oracle of secrets in both games?
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Am I missing something here? Since when was a third Oracle game announced. Hell, Since when was one posible since farore was the oracle of secrets in both games?
The game was planned very early on but they canned it because it would be too difficult to link three games. Originally they probably didn't plan to have Farore in the other two games.
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Oh yea. They had planned 3 games, but back then they werent even the oracle games >_>
Personaly, Id rather have an NDS LTTP/MC like game. PH sucked. But a third oracle would've been cool.
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It was actaully at Miyamoto's suggestion that they go with 2 instead of 3. The reason was that with 3 games, they had trouble figuring out which one bugs originated from. When they axed the third game, it was much easier to debug.
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Meta, the only made one engine. thats it. THEN they added some story. a third one wouldnt have the effect you speak of.
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That's not what I heard. Sure they had one engine, but when transmitting between three games the origin of a bug can be somewhat lost. Which is what happened.
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It was eventually scrapped due to problems in the debugging process, specifically how all three interacted with one another.
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That's what I was trying to say, Zidane. Thanks.
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Lazy programmers.
This. =[ How can you go and cancel a ZELDA game?
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Lazy programmers.
This. =[ How can you go and cancel a ZELDA game?
Easily.
Team: k let's cancel this game.
Team: k
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Star Fox 2 easily.
The beta was spectacular. No other Star Fox game compares.
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Star Fox 2 and Zelda: The third oracle game.
although now I seem boring as they're what everyones saying.
Actually the things I most like to have seen was the early OoT Beta stuff: No child Link, you started in Hyrule town which looked different etc, and Dinosaur Planet. It looked cooler on N64 then it ended up on GCN. whats up with that?
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I would also loved to see a beta rom :(
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- Twilight Princess (the game was meant to be harder and have more depth but they took it out so it was easier for casual players because of the Wii)
Wha? Where did you hear this? And if you didn't think Twilight Princess had depth...I really don't understand you.
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There's at least a few things that we know were taken out of Twilight Princess by viewing trailers. Moblins, the chase with the giant spider, the tree beast thing, all the cats in the forest,... uhm, other stuff? They took out all the cool stuff.
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There's at least a few things that we know were taken out of Twilight Princess by viewing trailers. Moblins, the chase with the giant spider, the tree beast thing, all the cats in the forest,... uhm, other stuff? They took out all the cool stuff.
People always say the beta stuff was cool, when most of it clearly isn't. For instance, in the beta of TP, there is a big forest with random trees in it. In the regular TP, the Faron Woods are organized and actually look good. I mean, most of the time beta-liking is just people wanting what they don't have.
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- Twilight Princess (the game was meant to be harder and have more depth but they took it out so it was easier for casual players because of the Wii)
Wha? Where did you hear this? And if you didn't think Twilight Princess had depth...I really don't understand you.
Various sites. This was a few years ago. Twilight Princess barely has that much depth if you compare it to Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. There were pretty much no side-quests at all for starters and that's a staple in Zelda games. Like Shefali said, some enemies like Moblins were taken out. The giant spider (Armogohma) is a boss in the game but never chased after you like in the trailer. The Skulltulas were supposed to cover you in web as well. The forest areas in the trailers were cool. There was even that one graveyard looking area that was taken out where it was raining.
TP was supposed to be a GCN exclusive as we all know. When the Wii came along, they moved it to Wii and stop the development for the game on GCN. Since they were far in development, they decided to move it onto both systems. Some people complained that the game was too easy. I find part of the reason for that is the new audience Nintendo is trying to bring in with the Wii so anybody can play it. So if you think about it, if the game wasn't released on Wii and if they didn't focus on the casual thing for the game, it could have been harder. There was supposed to be more to the game as well. I saw in on a site before but I can't remember which sites.
I know this is off topic but the thing that bugged me the most with TP is that any damage you took never went over a heart. Heck, even Ganondorf's sword attacks didn't even reach it. I think I might be wrong though but it was like that for most of the game, I know that.
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There's at least a few things that we know were taken out of Twilight Princess by viewing trailers. Moblins, the chase with the giant spider, the tree beast thing, all the cats in the forest,... uhm, other stuff? They took out all the cool stuff.
People always say the beta stuff was cool, when most of it clearly isn't. For instance, in the beta of TP, there is a big forest with random trees in it. In the regular TP, the Faron Woods are organized and actually look good. I mean, most of the time beta-liking is just people wanting what they don't have.
Way to ignore the things I mentioned and focus on the Woods...
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There's at least a few things that we know were taken out of Twilight Princess by viewing trailers. Moblins, the chase with the giant spider, the tree beast thing, all the cats in the forest,... uhm, other stuff? They took out all the cool stuff.
People always say the beta stuff was cool, when most of it clearly isn't. For instance, in the beta of TP, there is a big forest with random trees in it. In the regular TP, the Faron Woods are organized and actually look good. I mean, most of the time beta-liking is just people wanting what they don't have.
Way to ignore the things I mentioned and focus on the Woods...
Well, I wasn't neccessarily talking about you, but just that people want stuff in the game that might have just been stupid if it had stayed in. IE: People wanting what they don't have.
- Twilight Princess (the game was meant to be harder and have more depth but they took it out so it was easier for casual players because of the Wii)
Wha? Where did you hear this? And if you didn't think Twilight Princess had depth...I really don't understand you.
Various sites. This was a few years ago. Twilight Princess barely has that much depth if you compare it to Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. There were pretty much no side-quests at all for starters and that's a staple in Zelda games. Like Shefali said, some enemies like Moblins were taken out. The giant spider (Armogohma) is a boss in the game but never chased after you like in the trailer. The Skulltulas were supposed to cover you in web as well. The forest areas in the trailers were cool. There was even that one graveyard looking area that was taken out where it was raining.
TP was supposed to be a GCN exclusive as we all know. When the Wii came along, they moved it to Wii and stop the development for the game on GCN. Since they were far in development, they decided to move it onto both systems. Some people complained that the game was too easy. I find part of the reason for that is the new audience Nintendo is trying to bring in with the Wii so anybody can play it. So if you think about it, if the game wasn't released on Wii and if they didn't focus on the casual thing for the game, it could have been harder. There was supposed to be more to the game as well. I saw in on a site before but I can't remember which sites.
I know this is off topic but the thing that bugged me the most with TP is that any damage you took never went over a heart. Heck, even Ganondorf's sword attacks didn't even reach it. I think I might be wrong though but it was like that for most of the game, I know that.
I don't argue that it was too easy, but that's every single Zelda game since OoT. You always start off with 3 hearts, and it is sort of normal difficulty, but by the time you are half way through the game, you have enough hearts that you never have to worry about dying. This is a flaw with ALL zelda games, not just Twilight Princess, so you can't just assume that Twilight Princess would be harder when most likely it would have been just as easy as Wind Waker, etc. to begin with.
I think that some of these things were cool, but then again it was beta. Things get taken out, better things get put back in, Nintendo has their reasons, and there really isn't any way to say that they were wrong unless we had an old, unchanged version of the game with these things in.
The graveyard with rain WAS in the game. Didn't you see the secret graveyard in Hyrule Castle? It was awesome when I first found it. You might have missed it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6omKufZKmQ
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Battlefield Bad Company. The Original one for the PSP :(
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The graveyard with rain WAS in the game. Didn't you see the secret graveyard in Hyrule Castle? It was awesome when I first found it. You might have missed it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6omKufZKmQ
Nevermind, I meant this area at 0:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzcJ1PGuY9U