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Title: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Hoffy on November 27, 2007, 01:52:34 am
http://wii.ign.com/articles/837/837799p1.html

A 6.0 by IGN. I thought this game was going to be good. Obviously not. Come on Namco, if Capcom could do it with Zack & Wiki, why couldn't you do it with Soul Calibur? This raises more concerns about Nintendo's third-party scene. Even though the Wii is selling really quite well, we still haven't seen many impressive third-party games, as developers would prefer to release their amazing titles on consoles that allow for better AI, graphics, etc... Umbrella Chronicles wasn't that good either.

Just have hope for No More Heroes and NiGHTS.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: FISSURE on November 27, 2007, 01:56:56 am
The review makes it sound fun
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Mamoruanime on November 27, 2007, 02:02:00 am
I trust IGNs reviews about as much as I am able to turn water into wine without a time travel device or jesus machine :s
I think the game looks neat... but I also think IGN looks stupid :P...

But anyway, SC has always had some very in-depth controls, and it'll be nice to see how that'll play out in this game...

Then again, I'm a fan of dynasty warriors and button mashers, so...
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Swoftu on November 27, 2007, 04:48:01 am
I did not expect this at all.

Maximum sarcasm.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Dantztron 3030 on November 27, 2007, 05:05:53 am
developers would prefer to release their amazing titles on consoles that allow for better AI, graphics, etc...

Can you blame them? :(

As much as I love the Wii, the awesome controls alone do not a game make. More power doesn't just mean PHOTORELISTAC GRAPHIX, it means you can create deeper play experiences with larger worlds, better AI, better sound design.

The Wii will still sell, but I think Nintendo is going to find their biggest audience in the mainstream market at this point, despite still having their signature franchises that the hardcore love.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Swoftu on November 27, 2007, 05:11:14 am
developers would prefer to release their amazing titles on consoles that allow for better AI, graphics, etc...

Can you blame them? :(

As much as I love the Wii, the awesome controls alone do not a game make. More power doesn't just mean PHOTORELISTAC GRAPHIX, it means you can create deeper play experiences with larger worlds, better AI, better sound design.

We could do that just fine last gen. Now it's just overkill.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Dantztron 3030 on November 27, 2007, 05:44:29 am
developers would prefer to release their amazing titles on consoles that allow for better AI, graphics, etc...

Can you blame them? :(

As much as I love the Wii, the awesome controls alone do not a game make. More power doesn't just mean PHOTORELISTAC GRAPHIX, it means you can create deeper play experiences with larger worlds, better AI, better sound design.

We could do that just fine last gen. Now it's just overkill.

So a game like, say, Oblivion is possible on the PS2?

In before /v/ style flaming.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Uppy on November 27, 2007, 12:38:23 pm
Knivu, look at mario galaxy and tell me that could be done on PS2? The Wii is cabable of far better things than the Gamecube but even so, we play games for escapism not realism. This is the reason we play games like Mario and Zelda and even Soul Calibur. This isn't about the graphics, it's about Namco trying to give us what we don't want. Seriously, Soul Calibur 2 sold better on Gamecube than PS2 and X-Box and yet they could be arsed to do a proper Soul Calibur for Wii? Instead they try to be innovative and fail. hard. Now gimme my proper Soul Calibur Namco, you dickheads! lol.

I for one am incredibly bored with all the ultra realistic (usually FPS) games on PS3 at the minute, it's swamped with them and you know what the problem with games that look so realistic? they all look the SAME. The real world looks boring, realistic looking games look boring because they look well...real.

I believe on this occasion IGN have got it right. I won't be buying this heap of crap.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: bertfallen on November 27, 2007, 01:00:13 pm
Knivu, look at mario galaxy and tell me that could be done on PS2? The Wii is cabable of far better things than the Gamecube but even so, we play games for escapism not realism. This is the reason we play games like Mario and Zelda and even Soul Calibur. This isn't about the graphics, it's about Namco trying to give us what we don't want. Seriously, Soul Calibur 2 sold better on Gamecube than PS2 and X-Box and yet they could be arsed to do a proper Soul Calibur for Wii? Instead they try to be innovative and fail. hard. Now gimme my proper Soul Calibur Namco, you dickheads! lol.

I for one am incredibly bored with all the ultra realistic (usually FPS) games on PS3 at the minute, it's swamped with them and you know what the problem with games that look so realistic? they all look the SAME. The real world looks boring, realistic looking games look boring because they look well...real.

I believe on this occasion IGN have got it right. I won't be buying this heap of crap.

I'd like to point at that the GC version of Soul Calibur over taking the PS2 version in sales is just a huge rumour. Fact of the matter is, several sites report several different things. And this is not including the sites: IGN, and GameSpot (being huge biased fuckers they are.) Oh and also not including anything with a title layout like so: [Console Name] Fanboys.

But still if you can provide a link to where you got that. Plz send :(
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Post by: Piers on November 27, 2007, 01:30:56 pm
developers would prefer to release their amazing titles on consoles that allow for better AI, graphics, etc...

Can you blame them? :(

As much as I love the Wii, the awesome controls alone do not a game make. More power doesn't just mean PHOTORELISTAC GRAPHIX, it means you can create deeper play experiences with larger worlds, better AI, better sound design.

We could do that just fine last gen. Now it's just overkill.
Not really.... I like games where you can experience huge wars with hundreds of enemies on screen at once...

 Dead Rising is an example of graphics that could've been done last gen but game play that couldn't have.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Trask on November 27, 2007, 01:44:01 pm
Same old !@#$% different day unfortunatly; I've had the Wii since day 1 and I fought for it for 2 reasons: Twilight Princess and the renewed relationships between Nintendo and 3rd party publishers. Now since then, Nintendo has gone on this damn 'casual game' craze !@#$% and all the other companies are either following that, making PS2 ports, or just in general spending as little money as possible on their Wii projects.

But why? I mean, the Wii can boast some serious graphics if they try... it has the largest install base out of the 3 next gen consoles, I mean there's definitly a market there for some serious games... so I say... wtf?
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: bertfallen on November 27, 2007, 01:55:02 pm
Same old !@#$% different day unfortunatly; I've had the Wii since day 1 and I fought for it for 2 reasons: Twilight Princess and the renewed relationships between Nintendo and 3rd party publishers. Now since then, Nintendo has gone on this damn 'casual game' craze !@#$% and all the other companies are either following that, making PS2 ports, or just in general spending as little money as possible on their Wii projects.

But why? I mean, the Wii can boast some serious graphics if they try... it has the largest install base out of the 3 next gen consoles, I mean there's definitly a market there for some serious games... so I say... wtf?

Consoles that cost less to develop for are a breeding ground for !@#$% games. After all companies only care about making money (non of this 'WEL NINTEDO LIEK TOTALI CAER BOUT ITS FANS' !@#$%, please.) And games that are, for lack of a better term, mini games are cheap to develop. And just to get some !@#$% use out of your wiis, they'd probably end up selling well. I hope Nintendo pull their fingers out and do something about this buggery from the developers.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Dantztron 3030 on November 27, 2007, 02:12:18 pm
Knivu, look at mario galaxy and tell me that could be done on PS2?

I actually agree with you on this point, but actually the game itself COULD. Graphically, hell no, perhaps the original Xbox. But the spherical worlds? Ratchet and Clank did it.

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I for one am incredibly bored with all the ultra realistic (usually FPS) games on PS3 at the minute, it's swamped with them and you know what the problem with games that look so realistic? they all look the SAME. The real world looks boring, realistic looking games look boring because they look well...real.

I completely agree with you on that. Just because developers have power to do something different or bold doesn't mean they will. :P
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Ricky on November 27, 2007, 02:48:10 pm
Nope. They can do much better, and they know they can. Don't blame the system, nor the control. If you can't plan well a !@#$% game, then it's your fault.
But I don't care, since the beginning I knew that game would fail, as well as Mario and Sonic @ Olympic Games and well, after all the hype on both games, they can't get a 7.0... Insert a new coin and try again.
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Post by: Uppy on November 27, 2007, 03:39:01 pm
Hehe, Hey Fox the source was N-Gamer or at the time, NGC as it was then called, of course.....they were bound to be bias in Nintendo's favour. Either way having played all 3 versions of Soul Calibur 2 I can say that IMO the GCN was by far the best, even though spawn is awesome *nerdgasm*

Anywhoo hey Knivu, yeah, when I said about SMG I was referring to the games gorgeous graphics. I've always thought that the Wii was more comparable to the original X-Box than the GCN in terms of graphical abilities.

Either way these games developers need to stop telling us what we want and listen to their customer base for a !@#$% change. Can you imagine any other industry not giving customers what they want?

"No no people don't want chocolate, they want sugar coated dogshite, trust us, we're market research"
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: bertfallen on November 27, 2007, 03:43:29 pm
Hehe, Hey Fox the source was N-Gamer or at the time, NGC as it was then called, of course.....they were bound to be bias in Nintendo's favour. Either way having played all 3 versions of Soul Calibur 2 I can say that IMO the GCN was by far the best, even though spawn is awesome *nerdgasm*

Anywhoo hey Knivu, yeah, when I said about SMG I was referring to the games gorgeous graphics. I've always though that the Wii was more comparable to the original X-Box than the GCN in terms of graphical abilities.

Either way these games developers need to stop telling us what we want and listen to their customer base for a !@#$% change. Can you imagine any other industry not giving customers what they want?

"No no people don't want chocolate, they want sugar coated dogshite, trust us, we're market research"

I'm not Fox :P. But yeah arguably that source could be biased. But ahwell. And yeah thats the problem with most of these game developers. There uptight in thinking what they make is what we want.
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Post by: Moon_child on November 27, 2007, 03:45:17 pm
I never thought it would be fun! they should've made a fighting game of it. Not some dumb 3rd person action adventure.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Trask on November 27, 2007, 04:17:02 pm
I for one am incredibly bored with all the ultra realistic (usually FPS) games on PS3 at the minute, it's swamped with them and you know what the problem with games that look so realistic? they all look the SAME. The real world looks boring, realistic looking games look boring because they look well...real.

I do agree that the FPS are way too much as of late. It's probably Halo's success to blame, everyone wants a piece of the pie. I do like realistic looking games, but the Wii doesn't need to follow that to have fun games.

Look back at the 16bit days, best games were mario, sonic, comic zone, vectorman, etc... plenty of others that didn't rely on the most realistic settings. Wii can pull of some good !@#$%, companies just need to want to invest in the console, not use it as a filler.
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Post by: Uppy on November 27, 2007, 04:35:10 pm
LOL! Sorry Bertfallen, I didn't actually read your name, just quickly reading the topic and saw your sig and assumed you were Fox. Anyway, as far as liking Realistic games, thats fine, of course Trask, all I was pointing out is that games don't need to look photo realistic in order to look amazing and in my opinion the more realistic the graphics become the more generic the games look, I mean it's one step away from the "dreaded" interactive movies "If you want him to go to the firework factory press one" NOOOO JUST PLAY THE !@#$% MOVIE!

As for Namco, one word springs to mind: "Sellout". That is all.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Kylink on November 28, 2007, 12:17:00 am
Since when is 6.0 a bad score? 4 or 3 might be, but 6.0 is above average  XD (Not really worthy of Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass).

But I do think that they should have made an actual soul caliber fighting game for the wii...with link...and ganondorf! that would have been fan-gasmic.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Hoffy on November 28, 2007, 02:07:43 am
Since when is 6.0 a bad score? 4 or 3 might be, but 6.0 is above average  XD (Not really worthy of Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass).

But I do think that they should have made an actual soul caliber fighting game for the wii...with link...and ganondorf! that would have been fan-gasmic.
6/10 is generally a bad score. Games cost $50USD (sometimes more, I don't know, I'm not American) and generally if you're going to be paying large amounts such as this, you'd want to get your money's worth. And for the Soul Calibur franchise, a series that's usually been so critically acclaimed, this is disgraceful.

I hope all the developers play Super Mario Galaxy. They need to realise not only how to make their games look good, but how to really use the power the Wii is capable of to create an enjoyable experience. Maybe then they'll stop messing up their usually good franchises.
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Post by: Dracon on November 28, 2007, 05:19:26 am
Nintendo Power didn't like either. =/
Umbrella Chronicles is good though, so don't mess with it.

Since when is 6.0 a bad score? 4 or 3 might be, but 6.0 is above average  XD (Not really worthy of Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass).

But I do think that they should have made an actual soul caliber fighting game for the wii...with link...and ganondorf! that would have been fan-gasmic.
Dude, 6.0 is just scraping the wire of mediocrity. Since when do people like playing 6/10 games when there are games of much higher caliber out there? 6.0 is not really a score given in positive reviews. Just read the text, and you'll see that the reviewers didn't find this game much fun at all.
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Domo on November 28, 2007, 06:08:06 am
Nintendo Power didn't like either. =/
Umbrella Chronicles is good though, so don't mess with it.

Since when is 6.0 a bad score? 4 or 3 might be, but 6.0 is above average  XD (Not really worthy of Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass).

But I do think that they should have made an actual soul caliber fighting game for the wii...with link...and ganondorf! that would have been fan-gasmic.
Dude, 6.0 is just scraping the wire of mediocrity. Since when do people like playing 6/10 games when there are games of much higher caliber out there? 6.0 is not really a score given in positive reviews. Just read the text, and you'll see that the reviewers didn't find this game much fun at all.

True.  In my mind, a 6/10 is just "passable"...sort of like the "C-" of the gaming world.  Anything below 5/10 is usually a complete failure and as such would be given a "F".
Title: Re: Just in: Soul Calibur Legends sucks ass.
Post by: Garoth Moulinoski on November 29, 2007, 01:42:35 am
Somehow... The game does sound like fun though... :/ Maybe I'll rent it when I have money and try it out for myself rather than rely on IGN. I'm generally bad at Soul Caliber games anyways, though. (I'm better at old-school fighting games where you only have to retreat in order to block... Mortal Kombat, some Guilty Gear, Samurai Shodown. And even then, I'm bad.)

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