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Title: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Martijn dh on September 23, 2010, 08:29:56 pm
Let's go over the latest rules first. (Since I'm not going to override 4Sword's info topic I'll just post them here)

Updated rules:
- Projects to vote for will still be pre-selected as usual. Your project will be pre-selected if it has shown some form of relevant progress during the current month. Think along the lines of a new demo, screenshot, video etc.

- Normally selection only applies to the projects in the topics: Sponsored, Completed, WIP, WIP other and Concepts. We now expand the range to also include projects from Templates, Graphics and Audio. The projects also need to have shown some form of relevant progress. There are added rules for them though: they will need to contain more then just one sound/picture or template (whichever applies). It may not be a request topic. Basicly the aim is to only nominate continued projects.

- You now have the option to vote in the poll. (If one is not yet present when you read this, then one will be added shortly). Posting a comment explaining why you voted for one project over another is no longer needed, but it is still highly encouraged. I will obviously do creator's good to read some friendly feedback, but it will also make the difference in case of a tie. If there is a tie and no relevant comments are present then I'll have to favor one over the other personally and I'd rather avoid that.

- Every project to get votes in a month will have earned a place in the Sponsored section for the month that follows. If a project does not get any votes during month then it will not be in Sponsored in the following month. This also happens if the project was not nominated due to lack of progress. The project with the most votes is crowned Project of the Month. The creator will receive a message from me in regard to a short interview and the creation of a PotM topic.

- You all gets the option to vote for multiple projects a month (if they so please). As each voted project moves to Sponsored you could use your votes for moving various interested topics as a sign of support. Or you could vote for just that one topic you really favour for PotM. And if you're always torn up between multiple topic then this is the sollution for that too. Just vote for both. Just remember that each vote hold equal weight. If for you vote for more projects, but really only favor one in particular for PotM then you can always add a comment and explain. It'll make a difference in the case of a tie or it could convice others to vote for your favourite as well.


This month's nominations:
Tech demo - Horn of Balance (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=33701.0)
Ode to Zelda GB (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=36938.0)
The Legend of Zelda (Remake) (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=36911.0)
The Legend of Zelda: Black Crown (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=31527.0)
Pokemon MMORPG - PokemonCraft (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=36356.0)
Surface (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=35381.0)
The Myth of Heroa (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=36951.0)
[Alpha] Map Editor 0.7a (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=33139.0)
Sonic X-treme GM8 (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=36914.0)
Final Fantasy ~no name~ (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=36906.0)
The Legend of Zelda: The Awakening of a Shadow (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=36980.0)
OOT2D Map Project (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=36601.0)
Zelda Custom Tiles (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=35905.0)
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Martijn dh on September 23, 2010, 09:22:33 pm
That's a nice list of projects this month (and there are even some more topics I was in conflict about).
It's a tough call because there is definatly something to choose again, but I think I'll go with the Sonic game.
It's not really my type of gameplay, but I really appreciate the development side of things.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Theforeshadower on September 23, 2010, 11:50:16 pm
You can take down the Final Fantasy game.  It is still very well into the concept stage so i won't be providing any updates soon.

Votes:
My project for obvious reasons.

Legend of Zelda: Black Crown.
Even though it has some pretty high requirements with packages that are required, this game has not gotten the attention it deserves.
Updates are not frequent, however, I do believe it should get at least my vote.  It is very solid and actually plays nicely in a Zelda environment for being a "heck n slash" style game.

Surface
Though I have yet to get a chance at a demo(come on Travis), and the development updates are slow, I love the style of the game.  I know it will be a pretty solid engine too once he gets done.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on September 24, 2010, 12:14:56 am
I voted for Myth of Heroa because it's had a lot of progress, and I love the idea of making a retro clone game that doesn't stick to someone elses IP entirely.

I also voted Surface because c'mon; an NES exploration game focusing on speed running? !@#$% sweet.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: 4Sword on September 24, 2010, 06:35:51 am
The ones I voted for were:

The Legend of Zelda (Remake)

I really like Minish Cap projects and Freki's project has a potential for some good updates.

Sonic Xtreme GM8
The project is really neat in that in how it shows Game Maker can do 3D type games. While there could be improvements the technical aspects of the game so far are really impressive. Also it is cool when new users post good stuff.

OOT2D Map Project
There are multiple users working together on this which doesn't happen often. Also there is a lot of attention to detail.

Zelda Custom Tiles
Leduardo has been posting custom Minish Cap stuff and has been open to constructive criticism about how he can make his stuff better. The project has been around for a while and hasn't been spotlighted all that much.

Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Theforeshadower on September 24, 2010, 06:41:24 am
Freki's game is an interesting vote considering no update in 2 weeks. 
Though, I guess everyone can vote for their own reasons, I think voting based on potential is not a good thing.
Just my opinion.  I vote based upon what is actually available for the player to play/test(if it is a demo).
How solid does it operate? Does is make sense?  Are there alot of glitches?  Does it feel very clunky for what it is based upon?
etc etc

I am making intelligent discussion, not trying to start any flames.  I find that vote interesting though since you said it has potential...
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on September 24, 2010, 07:07:41 am
^But you voted for Surface :P

Just sayin XD
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Theforeshadower on September 24, 2010, 07:09:01 am
^But you voted for Surface :P

Just sayin XD
Had to...God made me do it.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: 4Sword on September 24, 2010, 07:12:02 am
Freki once posted an engine that he made with Minish Cap graphics. It had a lot of features and I am biased in that I know what it is like to work on coding with Minish Cap graphics so I know more closely what he is doing. I understand when people are busy for 14 days. Because the Sponsored board now accepts up to 4 projects monthly, the Project of the Month will still be the project with the most votes which should represent the one which is the most deserving.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Theforeshadower on September 24, 2010, 07:13:53 am
Well, I was just wondering. lol
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Martijn dh on September 24, 2010, 02:24:54 pm
Theforeshadower: I'm unsure what'll happen if I remove one of the voting options somewhere in between so I'd like to just keep the topic in the poll. We could agree that it won't be moved to sponsored if voted for should you have objections.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: barlendo on September 24, 2010, 02:49:17 pm
The best Pokemon game : pokemon craft
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Martijn dh on September 24, 2010, 02:59:47 pm
Yeah, right. The pokemon game just jumped from zero to seventeen votes.
I suspect a serious case of fraud here!
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Wasabi on September 24, 2010, 03:58:02 pm
Yeah, right. The pokemon game just jumped from zero to seventeen votes.
I suspect a serious case of fraud here!
I didn't know there was money involved in the PotM prizes, who witholds this information from all but one contestant :P?
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Zaeranos on September 24, 2010, 05:04:19 pm
I vote:

Ode to Zelda GB: Real nice game and I hope that the revision becomes even better.

The Myth of Heroa: A real good homage to the NES Zelda. Just love it.

OOT2D Map Project: A project with a lot of potential to be actually used in a game one day.



Yeah, right. The pokemon game just jumped from zero to seventeen votes.
I suspect a serious case of fraud here!
That or CeFurKan has asked a number of people playing his game to vote here anonymously. Maybe you should make the rule you can only vote anonymously when you have over 10 posts somewhere else in the boards.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: FISSURE on September 24, 2010, 06:02:09 pm
I vote:

Ode to Zelda GB: Real nice game and I hope that the revision becomes even better.

The Myth of Heroa: A real good homage to the NES Zelda. Just love it.

OOT2D Map Project: A project with a lot of potential to be actually used in a game one day.



Yeah, right. The pokemon game just jumped from zero to seventeen votes.
I suspect a serious case of fraud here!
That or CeFurKan has asked a number of people playing his game to vote here anonymously. Maybe you should make the rule you can only vote anonymously when you have over 10 posts somewhere else in the boards.


He probably asked in game, seeing as how the most votes any other game has gotten has been 5, while his is at 18\

All these people registered on the same day

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Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Theforeshadower on September 25, 2010, 12:06:26 am
Theforeshadower: I'm unsure what'll happen if I remove one of the voting options somewhere in between so I'd like to just keep the topic in the poll. We could agree that it won't be moved to sponsored if voted for should you have objections.
Yeah.  Just keep it from being put in sponsored.  Don't think it'll get a vote, but you never know :/
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on September 25, 2010, 03:47:16 am
Okay; I'm going to mildly abuse my power and expose this;

Pokemon MMORPG - PokemonCraft  19 (34.5%)
Pirgah, CeFurkan, barlendo, firebast, bojovnik, kaiko, TeckTonik, ZHAN, serseri_41_1907, PhoenixTR, Skywalker, Pichuman, ash_on, brkekinci, yenilmez12, sezgin2x, afilliaynasiz, hao chen, max_musquetar@yahoo.com

Tampering with votes = ban under the vash'n'mammycakes regime; I don't know what 4Sword plans to have done about it; but uh. Disqualification anyway should be imminent.

ZFGC's PotM is for ZFGC users BY ZFGC users; not everyone you can invite in to vote for you.

~For a good read, click me~ (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=33015.0)
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: FISSURE on September 25, 2010, 04:44:52 am
Okay; I'm going to mildly abuse my power and expose this;

Pokemon MMORPG - PokemonCraft  19 (34.5%)
Pirgah, CeFurkan, barlendo, firebast, bojovnik, kaiko, TeckTonik, ZHAN, serseri_41_1907, PhoenixTR, Skywalker, Pichuman, ash_on, brkekinci, yenilmez12, sezgin2x, afilliaynasiz, hao chen, max_musquetar@yahoo.com

Tampering with votes = ban under the vash'n'mammycakes regime; I don't know what 4Sword plans to have done about it; but uh. Disqualification anyway should be imminent.

ZFGC's PotM is for ZFGC users BY ZFGC users; not everyone you can invite in to vote for you.

~For a good read, click me~ (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=33015.0)

Well that was easy to call. Vote stuffing is bad.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on September 25, 2010, 05:00:54 am
XD damnit 2 for 2, meant to edit my post Fish not yours XD
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: DJvenom on September 25, 2010, 05:03:08 am
Voted for your own project. What a chump.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Zaeranos on September 25, 2010, 05:39:09 am
That is why I think that the name should be a respected ZFGC member, before anonymous voting is allowed. But here is the dilemma. I think that CeFurkan invited other people in, people that "might" (with might being the keyword) become real members of ZFGC. I don't think CeFurkan made those accounts on his own. It won't be any good to scare those people away for ballot stuffing.

That is why I think before people can vote (anonymous) they should have posted a X number of post in a Y number of different boards. Or have a project going on ZFGC themselves.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: FISSURE on September 25, 2010, 05:46:07 am
That is why I think that the name should be a respected ZFGC member, before anonymous voting is allowed. But here is the dilemma. I think that CeFurkan invited other people in, people that "might" (with might being the keyword) become real members of ZFGC. I don't think CeFurkan made those accounts on his own. It won't be any good to scare those people away for ballot stuffing.

That is why I think before people can vote (anonymous) they should have posted a X number of post in a Y number of different boards. Or have a project going on ZFGC themselves.

He didn't make the accounts himself i don't think, a few of those accounts are users on his pokemoncraft or whatever forum. Another i found on another forum, that posted in a topic about his game. Honestly it may not be nice of me to say, but i doubt any of the ones that voted for his game will be coming back here. They probably just made quick throw away accounts to vote. Sucks that he had people from his game come here to vote specifically for his game. So far i don't see any mention of the contest on his forum, but i didn't search every nook and cranny on his forum. I'm assuming he mentioned it during Gameplay in his game chat, while may or may not offering a reward, no clue.

It's not really fair to all the projects in this contest if he invites people from his game to come and vote specifically for it. It gives the wrong intention  to the poll and PoTM in general, where the winner is determined by how many people get invited just to vote for one game, not on who the ZFGC community as a whole thinks is the best for project of the month.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mirby on September 25, 2010, 05:56:50 am
That is pretty messed up to do. BANHAMMER! owait


Ode to Zelda GB - It looks nice, and great to see dlbrooks back after so long. ^.^ Or at least the project. I think... IT LOOKS NICE!

Surface - Because I always vote for it. Because it's friggin' awesome.

The Myth of Heroa - Same reasons Mammy gave, actually...

OoT2D Map Project - MaJoRa's workin' his ass off on this one, and it looks extremely good. Plus the community involvement it has generated is always nice.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: 4Sword on September 25, 2010, 06:00:11 am
I posted this in the Post Report Feed board around the time that it was reported:

Some of the names of the people who registered were also the usernames of some of the people on the Turkish version of his forum; so yeah the accounts that joined and voted either were just people from there he told to vote or possibly accounts [he] registered to vote. But meh, it kind of goes unsaid because it is implied by it being here that voting for things like this is meant for the users here - if someone comes here to just vote for a project and then just goes away, like they don't make an effort to be here, then their vote isn't really valid.

So yeah, it is tough cookies but his project's nomination is revoked or won't be considered a winner. There aren't any bugs in our rules or anything, we just have the right to define our voting system how we want to. Any claims that this is unfair have less validity than the potential loss to other projects here who are worked on and voted on by forum members who go here; and everyone who voted for PokemonCraft only voted for that game.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: FISSURE on September 25, 2010, 06:12:32 am
I posted this in the Post Report Feed board around the time that it was reported:

Some of the names of the people who registered were also the usernames of some of the people on the Turkish version of his forum; so yeah the accounts that joined and voted either were just people from there he told to vote or possibly accounts [he] registered to vote. But meh, it kind of goes unsaid because it is implied by it being here that voting for things like this is meant for the users here - if someone comes here to just vote for a project and then just goes away, like they don't make an effort to be here, then their vote isn't really valid.

So yeah, it is tough cookies but his project's nomination is revoked or won't be considered a winner. There aren't any bugs in our rules or anything, we just have the right to define our voting system how we want to. Any claims that this is unfair have less validity than the potential loss to other projects here who are worked on and voted on by forum members who go here; and everyone who voted for PokemonCraft only voted for that game.

I doubt any of them will even come back to try and call it unfair, except cefurkan. I don't think any of them really have any reason to call it unfair, seeing as how it messes up the nominations for everyone else who wants to participate fairly in it. With no disrespect to cefurkan in regards to his project, i definitely can't do anything close to what he has made. It just isn't fair for people from his forum to come here and screw with this contest.  While i may not be much the fan games here, well fan games or indie games in general, i do respect the fact that ZFGC needs projects f the month and such.  This is Zelda Fan Game Central, this contest is one of the things that helps give people hope for their projects, it helps show off the projects in a nice little list that people can vote on, and check out projects that they may not originally have checked out.

Ruining that by pretty much stuffing the votes just isn't nice.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on September 25, 2010, 06:16:04 am
Well the point remains that it's 'ballot stuffing'. You can't just invite your friends to vote for you on a private forum :p it makes the meaning of the whole thing null and void.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: FISSURE on September 25, 2010, 06:19:59 am
Well the point remains that it's 'ballot stuffing'. You can't just invite your friends to vote for you on a private forum :p it makes the meaning of the whole thing null and void.

That's pretty much what i said >.> <.<
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on September 25, 2010, 06:21:39 am
D: I made it official? I dunno; I skimmed XD
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Zaeranos on September 25, 2010, 06:38:41 am
That means OOT2D Map project is leading the pack this time. It is good to see that a resource project gets some attention as well.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Martijn dh on September 25, 2010, 09:31:29 am
I've disqualified the pokemon project from voting due to it getting an unfair amount of outside support.
Further discussion is in the Feedback section so place regard the matter here closed.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Colbydude on September 25, 2010, 03:56:34 pm
I vote:

Ode to Zelda GB: Real nice game and I hope that the revision becomes even better.

The Myth of Heroa: A real good homage to the NES Zelda. Just love it.

OOT2D Map Project: A project with a lot of potential to be actually used in a game one day.

Not even gonna lie, but I agree and vote with this as well.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: King Tetiro on September 25, 2010, 06:05:37 pm
I vote:

Ode to Zelda GB: Real nice game and I hope that the revision becomes even better.

The Myth of Heroa: A real good homage to the NES Zelda. Just love it.

OOT2D Map Project: A project with a lot of potential to be actually used in a game one day.

Not even gonna lie, but I agree and vote with this as well.

Me too. They're good games
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: The Boy on September 26, 2010, 04:11:55 pm
Cool- my game's a nominee! And it's only been going on this forum for a couple of days XD!
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Zaeranos on September 26, 2010, 04:39:10 pm
Cool- my game's a nominee! And it's only been going on this forum for a couple of days XD!
As long as there have been posts of progress or is newly added this month then it is viable to be nominated.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: CeFurkan on September 27, 2010, 12:23:08 pm
I've disqualified the pokemon project from voting due to it getting an unfair amount of outside support.
Further discussion is in the Feedback section so place regard the matter here closed.

wow this is not fair

as long as they are different people nominating

it should be counted
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: 4Sword on September 27, 2010, 01:48:27 pm
So yeah, it is tough cookies but his project's nomination is revoked or won't be considered a winner. There aren't any bugs in our rules or anything, we just have the right to define our voting system how we want to. Any claims that this is unfair have less validity than the potential loss to other projects here who are worked on and voted on by forum members who go here; and everyone who voted for PokemonCraft only voted for that game.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Xiphirx on September 27, 2010, 05:49:54 pm
I've disqualified the pokemon project from voting due to it getting an unfair amount of outside support.
Further discussion is in the Feedback section so place regard the matter here closed.

wow this is not fair

as long as they are different people nominating

it should be counted

lmao, you acted in the same way everyone envisioned you would :P

It is indeed fair the people who voted for your project will probably never come here again, thus they are not a part of the community. I won't continue to explain as it has already been explained on the previous page by Mammy, 4Sword and Fissure.

I suppose, we could remove all of the first time joiner votes from your project and keep it in... but that wouldn't stop you from doing it another time around now would it?
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: DJvenom on September 27, 2010, 06:32:41 pm
in before he tells all of his buddies to be active, and they are for a bit, but once they go inactive we call him out again, and then they become active once more...
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Wasabi on September 28, 2010, 03:04:34 am
I've disqualified the pokemon project from voting due to it getting an unfair amount of outside support.
Further discussion is in the Feedback section so place regard the matter here closed.

wow this is not fair

as long as they are different people nominating

it should be counted
Honestly, I thought you'd realize by now that doing stuff like this and making all those claims back in your project's topic is just tarnishing its image.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mirby on September 28, 2010, 03:15:39 am
There's a difference between famous and infamous. In relation to your project, I came up with this.

Famous means that all your claims are true and votes it gets are earned by those who have been here for a while. It will be known all over the internet for that stuff.

Infamous means all your claims are false and votes it gets will be earned unfairly by vote tampering caused by inviting a bunch of one-shot followers of yours to vote for it, thus tarnishing the feasibility of your game. It, and you, will be known all over the internet for this.

Which would you rather have?
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mamoruanime on September 30, 2010, 12:18:28 am
Yeah, right. The pokemon game just jumped from zero to seventeen votes.
I suspect a serious case of fraud here!
I didn't know there was money involved in the PotM prizes, who witholds this information from all but one contestant :P?

XD Well; we used to have real world prizes when we'd do the contests... Things like GM keys that we paid for to other things... It would be nice to do that sorta stuff again to add incentive.

Catch 22 is to do real world prizes, we need active ad revenue (which does not belong to any current active staff), or donations :P
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: FISSURE on September 30, 2010, 12:28:10 am
I've disqualified the pokemon project from voting due to it getting an unfair amount of outside support.
Further discussion is in the Feedback section so place regard the matter here closed.

wow this is not fair

as long as they are different people nominating

it should be counted

Oh it's definitely fair, getting your forum lackies to comes in and vote for your game doesn't make it better then any game here. Those people won't ever be coming back here again. Getting them to register just to vote isn't fair for the people that get legit votes.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Wasabi on September 30, 2010, 01:23:55 am
Yeah, right. The pokemon game just jumped from zero to seventeen votes.
I suspect a serious case of fraud here!
I didn't know there was money involved in the PotM prizes, who witholds this information from all but one contestant :P?

XD Well; we used to have real world prizes when we'd do the contests... Things like GM keys that we paid for to other things... It would be nice to do that sorta stuff again to add incentive.

Catch 22 is to do real world prizes, we need active ad revenue (which does not belong to any current active staff), or donations :P
Yeah I remember there used to be stuff like that, I was just saying he's taking this vote too seriously :p
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mirby on September 30, 2010, 01:25:13 am
What I think is funny is that the OOT2D Map Project almost has more votes than that ever had.
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: 4Sword on October 01, 2010, 08:37:52 am
I locked the voting, the Project of the Month for September is the OOT2D Map Project with 19 votes. The other three, runner-up projects which will also be going to the Sponsored board are Horn of Balance (11 votes), Ode to Zelda GB (11 votes), and Surface (9 votes).
Title: Re: Nominations - September 2010
Post by: Mirby on October 01, 2010, 08:56:57 am
Holy crap. This is hilarous.

OoT2D ended up with the SAME number of votes as that disqualified entry. XD

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