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Title: 3DS Topic
Post by: Random on April 10, 2010, 05:10:54 am
I read an article that stated ten very important expectations for 3DS that I hope Nintendo takes into consideration. Here is a list on some immensly important ideas.
As such, Nintendo better not holdback in there next DS title. They are probably working on a ne title as we speak. They wee working on PH before TP's title was announced, and looks at what is happening to ZWii... What do you think?
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 10, 2010, 05:27:33 am
I read an article that stated ten very important expectations for 3DS that I hope Nintendo takes into consideration. Here is a list on some immensly important ideas.

Since SM64DS was released, we have been begging Nintendo to make OoTDS. What better way to do this than with 3D features. Majora's Mas would be even better for such a thing. Imagine your riding Epona across Termina Field, but then, Oh No!, themoon smashes into you becuase you spent up too much time.[/li][/list]
Considering that it's about 1 real minute = 1 in-game hour, I don't think anyone would enjoy riding Epona for 72 minutes in a row without doing anything.
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Although PH and ST made very good use for the touchscreen, but doesn't everyone one agree they should make an optional joystick or D-pad option for controls? (P.S.: How did D-pad get to be known as D-pad?)
Well, the joystick would be an attachment to the D-Pad. And really? You don't know? Directional pad!
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Add some of the real world. Imagine, having TP, in the palm of your hands, and zant's head throws an attack towards you in 3D. As much as I think TWW style is best for handhelds, adding real world attributes in the third demention would be in the making for an excellent game.
TP wouldn't fit on a DS game cart, genius.
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With the added avancments in the new DS, we can easily bring back old classics such as ALttP to the DS. Many classics have been revived and been use on handhelds. Why not give another chance at ALttP-Handheld?
Ummm... wait for them to release it via DSiWare or something...
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Tilting is a definite acomplishment for the DS. Why not utilising it a little more to ZDS3D? If they make OoT2D, one use of the tilting action could be to twist the forest temple. Or in MM2D, apon gaining the ability, you can tilt the Stone Tower at will.[/li][/list]
Nintendo will never remake any 3D games in 2D. That realm belongs solely to fan game developers like Xfixium. And we've already had tilting, on the GBC (Kirby's Tilt 'n Tumble) and GBA (WarioWare: Twisted!). So it's nothing new.
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The Vitility sensor is something added to ZWii that checks your pulsation. The more you get scared or freaked out by an enemy, the harder they become. It works kind of like a lie detector.
If this is 3DS Expectations, why did you list something for Wii?
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ST had a larger overworld than TP did, but it felt smaller than it becuase there was so much limitation to the game. No doubt, ZDS3D would have a larger overworld. (That is if they make it.) If they don't use too many limitations, than it will really pull you into the world of Hyrule. Especialy if it is in 3D.
Ummm... I think you're wrong on that... otherwise PH would have a larger OW since, unless I'm mistaken, the PH and ST overworlds are the same size. And technically, the OW is everything that isn't indoors or underground. Therefore, I think TP did, in fact, have the larger overworld.
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There isn't much to say about this, but cutscenes need to be more elaborate. Although they have been weekened in most handheld games, they definitly need to use it more and make the more interactive. Especialy if they are going to make it 3D.
How can they elaborate on cutscenes more, when cutscenes are basically just scenes that flesh out the story? And that's up to the developers, not Nintendo.
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We now have a very overqualified game executor. We have the D-pad, touch screens, Z-targeting possibilities, vitility sensors, motion sensors, tilting, and third demention possibilities. We probably have more stuff then I know of, which overlyqualifies Nintendo for making a phonominal Zelda expierence that can make use of all of these features without abusing, or givving too many limitations to the actions.
Hey, there's no Z-button, hence no Z-targeting.
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Nintendo really needs to start making people want to buy Wii and DS games. This probably isn't good for people who have only one (like me). What I mean is, how bout making TWW for wii, PH for 3DS, ST for Wii, and you get my points. (Abvoisly not those exact games.)
They already have; both the DS and Wii have unique control schemes, and there's also the buying power that Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, and other venerable series bring to the plate.
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As such, Nintendo better not holdback in there next DS title. They are probably working on a ne title as we speak. They wee working on PH before TP's title was announced, and looks at what is happening to ZWii... What do you think?
TP was *technically* announced back in 2004, if memory serves. Around the same time the DS Phat came out. So that is probably another false tidbit you've provided.

Also, technically the DS has always been 3D. If you can move along the X, Y, and Z axis as opposed to the X and Y axis, you're in 3D. Which many DS games offer. All the 3DS adds is the tilting feature that gives the player the illusion of looking around via tilting the system, as opposed to hitting a certain button for first-person view or a camera change.

One last thing: if you're going to provide facts, or reference an article, provide links please so we know you're not making this all up.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 10, 2010, 05:28:14 am
I read an article that stated ten very important expectations for 3DS that I hope Nintendo takes into consideration. Here is a list on some immensly important ideas.
  • Since SM64DS was released, we have been begging Nintendo to make OoTDS. What better way to do this than with 3D features. Majora's Mas would be even better for such a thing. Imagine your riding Epona across Termina Field, but then, Oh No!, themoon smashes into you becuase you spent up too much time.
  • Although PH and ST made very good use for the touchscreen, but doesn't everyone one agree they should make an optional joystick or D-pad option for controls? (P.S.: How did D-pad get to be known as D-pad?)
  • Add some of the real world. Imagine, having TP, in the palm of your hands, and zant's head throws an attack towards you in 3D. As much as I think TWW style is best for handhelds, adding real world attributes in the third demention would be in the making for an excellent game.
  • With the added avancments in the new DS, we can easily bring back old classics such as ALttP to the DS. Many classics have been revived and been use on handhelds. Why not give another chance at ALttP-Handheld?
  • Tilting is a definite acomplishment for the DS. Why not utilising it a little more to ZDS3D? If they make OoT2D, one use of the tilting action could be to twist the forest temple. Or in MM2D, apon gaining the ability, you can tilt the Stone Tower at will.
  • The Vitility sensor is something added to ZWii that checks your pulsation. The more you get scared or freaked out by an enemy, the harder they become. It works kind of like a lie detector.
  • ST had a larger overworld than TP did, but it felt smaller than it becuase there was so much limitation to the game. No doubt, ZDS3D would have a larger overworld. (That is if they make it.) If they don't use too many limitations, than it will really pull you into the world of Hyrule. Especialy if it is in 3D.
  • There isn't much to say about this, but cutscenes need to be more elaborate. Although they have been weekened in most handheld games, they definitly need to use it more and make the more interactive. Especialy if they are going to make it 3D.
  • We now have a very overqualified game executor. We have the D-pad, touch screens, Z-targeting possibilities, vitility sensors, motion sensors, tilting, and third demention possibilities. We probably have more stuff then I know of, which overlyqualifies Nintendo for making a phonominal Zelda expierence that can make use of all of these features without abusing, or givving too many limitations to the actions.
  • Nintendo really needs to start making people want to buy Wii and DS games. This probably isn't good for people who have only one (like me). What I mean is, how bout making TWW for wii, PH for 3DS, ST for Wii, and you get my points. (Abvoisly not those exact games.)
As such, Nintendo better not holdback in there next DS title. They are probably working on a ne title as we speak. They wee working on PH before TP's title was announced, and looks at what is happening to ZWii... What do you think?

Ugh I don't like any of those suggestions :\

I'm going to bullet my responses in the order of your suggestions-


Also @ Mirby; why wouldn't TP fit on a DS cart? DS cart's don't have a set storage capacity... They're little SSD's... You could probably fit 3 to 6 gigs on there easy.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 10, 2010, 05:39:54 am
  • A remake of PH/ST would also be horrible. There's not enough demand for that anyway, so it'd be a waste of Nintendo's money.
> .> Why would you remake something that was just made... You completly missed my point there.
  • Zant throwing an attack at what? Your thumb? It wouldn't feel intense at all, but rather... novelty
To be honest, you know they are going to do something like that anyway.
  • Anything that draws you away from the screen is a bad thing. Tilting is a bad thing.
Yes, but a game shouldn't be obessesed on any single feature.
  • Wait, WHAT?... Have you played either of those games? Larger overworld my ass.
Yes I have. Look t them both and compare. If ST didn't have the limitations of what the train added, it has a way larger terrain than TP does. But, TP feels bigger becuase the lack of limitations.
  • Zelda isn't a jrpg. It doesn't need super elaborate cutscenes.
What does jrpg stand for? (Something-with-a-"j" role playing game?)
  • You're saying the new features shouldn't be abused, but also say the vitality sensor should be used in a zelda game... I'm having a really hard time following these :/
What I am saying is that they should use everything not to much, but not too little, just at a moderate amount.
  • If they want people to buy them, they should actually put some time into them instead of making waggletron features like motion sensors and "3d screens".
I never said they shouldn't take too much time into it. What I said is that they should make dirrect sequals and reverse in terms of release.[/list]
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 10, 2010, 05:48:36 am
  • A remake of PH/ST would also be horrible. There's not enough demand for that anyway, so it'd be a waste of Nintendo's money.
> .> Why would you remake something that was just made... You completly missed my point there.
  • Zant throwing an attack at what? Your thumb? It wouldn't feel intense at all, but rather... novelty
To be honest, you know they are going to do something like that anyway.
  • Anything that draws you away from the screen is a bad thing. Tilting is a bad thing.
Yes, but a game shouldn't be obessesed on any single feature.
  • Wait, WHAT?... Have you played either of those games? Larger overworld my ass.
Yes I have. Look t them both and compare. If ST didn't have the limitations of what the train added, it has a way larger terrain than TP does. But, TP feels bigger becuase the lack of limitations.
  • Zelda isn't a jrpg. It doesn't need super elaborate cutscenes.
What does jrpg stand for? (Something-with-a-"j" role playing game?)
  • You're saying the new features shouldn't be abused, but also say the vitality sensor should be used in a zelda game... I'm having a really hard time following these :/
What I am saying is that they should use everything not to much, but not too little, just at a moderate amount.
  • If they want people to buy them, they should actually put some time into them instead of making waggletron features like motion sensors and "3d screens".
I never said they shouldn't take too much time into it. What I said is that they should make dirrect sequals and reverse in terms of release.[/list]
- What was your point then? They'd have to remake the games to add D-Pad controls into it!
- Maybe they are, but it won't be Zant throwing an attack. And that would just be way too gimmicky and impractical from a gaming point of view, if you ask me.
- You've pretty much mentioned games that should be obsessed on a single feature. You're contradicting yourself yet again.
- Really? How long does it take to get from the Blizzard Temple to the Lost at Sea Station? Hmmm? Long, because the train isn't the quickest mode of transportation. How long does it take you to get from one end of TP Hyrule to the other on Epona? Even longer, because it is bigger!
- JRPG: Japanese RPG. See: Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest. WRPG: See any BioWare game.
- Constant contradiction is a bad thing Random; it's the reason your Zelda II Theory topic was locked. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TIMELINES BUT THE TIMELINE STATES.... see? That's the gist of your argument from that topic. Let's not have a similar one here.
- Quality > Quantity. Always has been Nintendo's policy. They won't remake games just to sell stuff for the sake of making money; they'll take their time making a quality product so it sells even more.

Basically, all your arguments are now invalid.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 10, 2010, 05:57:14 am
Sorry Mirby, I missed your post.
Considering that it's about 1 real minute = 1 in-game hour, I don't think anyone would enjoy riding Epona for 72 minutes in a row without doing anything.
You know what I ment...
Well, the joystick would be an attachment to the D-Pad. And really? You don't know? Directional pad!
I didn't. :P
TP wouldn't fit on a DS game cart, genius.
I ment using the TP style in a 3D game that is also handheld.
Ummm... wait for them to release it via DSiWare or something...
That is kind of what I ment.
Nintendo will never remake any 3D games in 2D. That realm belongs solely to fan game developers like Xfixium. And we've already had tilting, on the GBC (Kirby's Tilt 'n Tumble) and GBA (WarioWare: Twisted!). So it's nothing new.
Sorry, the 2D was a typo, I ment 3D. And I know it has been used before. I never said it was anything new.
If this is 3DS Expectations, why did you list something for Wii?
Becuase, I'm trying to say it would be better used in a handheld than attaching something to your finger while you play on a wii remote.
Ummm... I think you're wrong on that... otherwise PH would have a larger OW since, unless I'm mistaken, the PH and ST overworlds are the same size. And technically, the OW is everything that isn't indoors or underground. Therefore, I think TP did, in fact, have the larger overworld.
Nope, ST had over double the area of PH. Which is also larger than TP.
How can they elaborate on cutscenes more, when cutscenes are basically just scenes that flesh out the story? And that's up to the developers, not Nintendo.
Well, what I ment is its just an area were the player is left doing nothing which slowly but surely, looses the players interest.
Hey, there's no Z-button, hence no Z-targeting.
Actualy, the 3DS does have a Z-button. (Although not called that.)
They already have; both the DS and Wii have unique control schemes, and there's also the buying power that Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, and other venerable series bring to the plate.
What I ment is, they'd get the players attention by making a dirrect sequal to the Wii game on the DS. (And vice verca.) Which would make them want to buy more DSs/Wiis
TP was *technically* announced back in 2004, if memory serves. Around the same time the DS Phat came out. So that is probably another false tidbit you've provided.
I thought the DS was announced the same year as the DS?
One last thing: if you're going to provide facts, or reference an article, provide links please so we know you're not making this all up.
Verywell.

Update:
(About your post that you made while I was writing this)
I am not contradicting myself. When you say that it just gets on mynerves. take your time to reread. Also, I never said remake DS games with the D-pad, I said make the next games with a D-pad option. Also, I was the one to lock the ZII topic.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 10, 2010, 06:14:10 am
On the discussion of overworld size in ST vs TP, what exactly are you using to base your statements? <_<;; Don't just say "it looked bigger", because that's not viable at all...
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 10, 2010, 06:15:06 am
Here's a tip: read your posts before posting. It's a lesson I learned, ironically, from talking to you here. I THOUGHT THE DS WAS ANNOUNCED THE SAME YEAR AS THE DS? Of course it was! >_> Now for points in no particular order.

- I'm not the only one who says you contradict yourself. And if you don't want anyone to say it, don't do it.
- If it's not called the Z-Button, then there isn't a Z-Button; it's whatever button it is called.
- Hastily making games to sell more systems is not Nintendo's policy, as I've already stated. Just because you think they should doesn't mean they magically will!
- There are few direct sequels in the Zelda series (as was explained in your Z2 topic). So they won't make them JUST TO SELL GAMES!
- We've already established that PH/ST should've had a D-Pad option; that complaint is now off the table.
- TP Style is just OoT/MM style, but better looking due to better graphics. Just like AC style for FF7 is the original style but with BETTER GRAPHICS!
- I still don't believe you on the OW thing. Post proof, and maybe I'll believe you then.
- What did you mean about MM? That's exactly what you said. I merely elaborated upon the implied facts, bringing them to the forefront to prove you wrong.
- To elaborate upon Mammy's reply above this, I think the only reason that the ST OW would look bigger that TP's is the reduced viewpoint. You can see much more in a glance in TP than in ST. But "looks like" isn't a standard of measurement, I'm afraid.

The rest of my points are in my second post that you still haven't replied to.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 10, 2010, 06:27:37 am
- Hastily making games to sell more systems is not Nintendo's policy, as I've already stated. Just because you think they should doesn't mean they magically will!
Wil you try to grasp what I am saying here? I said they should take 3 or 4 years making a game. Then make the next game a dirrect sequal. I at no point said for them to hastly make it.
- There are few direct sequels in the Zelda series (as was explained in your Z2 topic).
The reason I locked the topic is because people kept linking it to another game. The only time I mentioned another game is when I said at some point, ganon was defeated before Z2.
- We've already established that PH/ST should've had a D-Pad option; that complaint is now off the table.
Agreed. When I said DS should have a D-pad option, I ment for non-already-existing games.
- TP Style is just OoT/MM style, but better looking due to better graphics. Just like AC style for FF7 is the original style but with BETTER GRAPHICS!
What are you dirrecting this part too?
- What did you mean about MM? That's exactly what you said. I merely elaborated upon the implied facts, bringing them to the forefront to prove you wrong.
What I ment by the MM thing is that the 3D effects would make it look like hte moon really is cashing onto you.
- To elaborate upon Mammy's reply above this, I think the only reason that the ST OW would look bigger that TP's is the reduced viewpoint. You can see much more in a glance in TP than in ST. But "looks like" isn't a standard of measurement, I'm afraid.
Actualy, on the looks-like thing, TP is much bigger. But if you look at the pixils and details, (heck the details) ST has more area is what I mean. I'll try giving you my proof in a legal way...
The rest of my points are in my second post that you still haven't replied to.
Actualy, I replied to your second post in my post to you under the update.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 10, 2010, 06:34:57 am
Okay well here's the deal... You keep mentioning the 3d effects and ways it makes things *pop* out at you...

Well, ever been to an Imax 3d movie?.......

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The 3d only works within the screen. Things "moving towards you" will lose that effect once it becomes too big for the screen.

Okay, now think about it this way- the screens are going to be as small if not smaller then your hands. You are literally only going to see things pop a small amount, and it's not even enough to care. Even further, for such an effect to work properly, it means your 3DS will come with... *gasp* glasses for it. It'll be horrible. The effect isn't going to be anything you're thinking it will be.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 10, 2010, 06:38:05 am
- Hastily making games to sell more systems is not Nintendo's policy, as I've already stated. Just because you think they should doesn't mean they magically will!
Wil you try to grasp what I am saying here? I said they should take 3 or 4 years making a game. Then make the next game a dirrect sequal. I at no point said for them to hastly make it.
- There are few direct sequels in the Zelda series (as was explained in your Z2 topic).
The reason I locked the topic is because people kept linking it to another game. The only time I mentioned another game is when I said at some point, ganon was defeated before Z2.
- We've already established that PH/ST should've had a D-Pad option; that complaint is now off the table.
Agreed. When I said DS should have a D-pad option, I ment for non-already-existing games.
- TP Style is just OoT/MM style, but better looking due to better graphics. Just like AC style for FF7 is the original style but with BETTER GRAPHICS!
What are you dirrecting this part too?
- What did you mean about MM? That's exactly what you said. I merely elaborated upon the implied facts, bringing them to the forefront to prove you wrong.
What I ment by the MM thing is that the 3D effects would make it look like hte moon really is cashing onto you.
- To elaborate upon Mammy's reply above this, I think the only reason that the ST OW would look bigger that TP's is the reduced viewpoint. You can see much more in a glance in TP than in ST. But "looks like" isn't a standard of measurement, I'm afraid.
Actualy, on the looks-like thing, TP is much bigger. But if you look at the pixils and details, (heck the details) ST has more area is what I mean. I'll try giving you my proof in a legal way...
The rest of my points are in my second post that you still haven't replied to.
Actualy, I replied to your second post in my post to you under the update.
The TP Style? Maybe to this:
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Add some of the real world. Imagine, having TP, in the palm of your hands, and zant's head throws an attack towards you in 3D. As much as I think TWW style is best for handhelds, adding real world attributes in the third demention would be in the making for an excellent game.
And this:
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I ment using the TP style in a 3D game that is also handheld.
Twice you mentioned TP style. Thus, you just contradicted yourself. Don't want me to say that? Then don't do it!

Also, the 3DS uses the tilting; 3D glasses are not required nor are they needed. So all your points regarding that are bunk. Sure, it may look like it but it's not how you're describing it at all! It's more like this:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/dakirbymaster/Dinowobble.gif)

And Mammy's right; the screens will probably only be 4 inches. The 3DS won't need glasses! It's specifically designed so one won't need glasses! Research the 3DS before spouting off misled beliefs about it!
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 10, 2010, 06:42:40 am
Well, ever been to an Imax 3d movie?.......
Weird you mention that becuase I'm going to a 3D movie tomorow.
The 3d only works within the screen. Things "moving towards you" will lose that effect once it becomes too big for the screen.
Well, doy! Everyone knows that! And to this date, the only commonly used solution to explain what happens when they do that is that it crashes on the screen or a liquad splatters on the lens.
Okay, now think about it this way- the screens are going to be as small if not smaller then your hands. You are literally only going to see things pop a small amount, and it's not even enough to care. Even further, for such an effect to work properly, it means your 3DS will come with... *gasp* glasses for it. It'll be horrible. The effect isn't going to be anything you're thinking it will be.
You people have no faith what so ever. (Or atleast arn't showing anything.)
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 10, 2010, 06:45:23 am
We are just being realistic; you on the other hand are, at the same time, being both as stubborn as an angry rhino and as blind to the truth as a schoolchild. We're stating facts. The screen will be no more than 4 inches; that means nothing can "pop out" to the extent you're describing. Not only that, but on an average sized screen, the moon (your favorite example) from MM is probably much more than 4 inches on screen; even if shrunken to fit on the 3DS, all you'd see was pixelated grayness. It wouldn't work!
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 10, 2010, 06:46:55 am
Also, the 3DS uses the tilting; 3D glasses are not required nor are they needed. So all your points regarding that are bunk. Sure, it may look like it but it's not how you're describing it at all! It's more like this:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/dakirbymaster/Dinowobble.gif)

I probably should have been more clear in my post; I was referring to how it would be if it did work the way he's mentioning it should work (IE things crashing down on you, and in-coming attacks)
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 10, 2010, 06:50:16 am
Twice you mentioned TP style. Thus, you just contradicted yourself. Don't want me to say that? Then don't do it!
The problem with the both of us is that nieter of us likes being told we are wrong and won't take no as an answer. Hence, causing our constant arguements. Its just a clash of two people with the same personality. I am sorry. Also, I wasn't contradicting myself. I was just asking which you were refering to there. You overuse the exuse of contradiction.
Also, the 3DS uses the tilting; 3D glasses are not required nor are they needed. So all your points regarding that are bunk. Sure, it may look like it but it's not how you're describing it at all! It's more like this: *Jurastic Park Image*
That is actualy exactly what I was trying to point out.

Regardless of all that. I guess I was wrong.Happy? Oh my gosh! I am contradicting myself! Small Text. > .<
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 10, 2010, 06:51:45 am
Well, I see your point, Mammy. My point is that it also works more like the image I posted: small scale = not as much 3D as he's describing.

Twice you mentioned TP style. Thus, you just contradicted yourself. Don't want me to say that? Then don't do it!
The problem with the both of us is that nieter of us likes being told we are wrong and won't take no as an answer. Hence, causing our constant arguements. Its just a clash of two people with the same personality. I am sorry. Also, I wasn't contradicting myself. I was just asking which you were refering to there. You overuse the exuse of contradiction.
Excuuuse me? I'm afraid you're mistaken. We DO NOT have the same personality. I'll freely admit when I'm wrong; you have to have it hammered into your head before you'll admit defeat.
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Also, the 3DS uses the tilting; 3D glasses are not required nor are they needed. So all your points regarding that are bunk. Sure, it may look like it but it's not how you're describing it at all! It's more like this: *Jurastic Park Image*
That is actualy exactly what I was trying to point out.

Regardless of all that. I guess I was wrong.Happy? Oh my gosh! I am contradicting myself! Small Text. > .<

Also, contradiction is not admitting you're wrong. It's when you say one thing that is the opposite, or cancels out, something you just said.
EXAMPLE: THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, AND IF IT DOES...
See? The first part shows that it WILL happen, and the second part CONTRADICTS the first by saying it MIGHT happen. You saying one thing, and then saying the opposite claiming you never said the first thing, is contradiction. You admitting you were wrong is NOT contradiction. /lesson

Also:

con·tra·dict [kon-truh-dikt]
–verb (used with object)
1.
to assert the contrary or opposite of; deny directly and categorically.
2.
to speak contrary to the assertions of: to contradict oneself.
3.
(of an action or event) to imply a denial of: His way of life contradicts his stated principles.
4.
Obsolete. to speak or declare against; oppose.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 10, 2010, 06:55:04 am
Well, I see your point, Mammy. My point is that it also works more like the image I posted: small scale = not as much 3D as he's describing
I'm a girl! >:(
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 10, 2010, 06:57:45 am
Well how was I to know that! I've referred to you as he before...

Hmm... maybe if you didn't share your account...
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 10, 2010, 06:59:44 am
Well how was I to know that!
You didn't notice the marin in my PMs? Or did you think Link was transgender?
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 10, 2010, 07:02:01 am
Well I forgot... yeesh.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 10, 2010, 07:05:40 am
Hmm... maybe if you didn't share your account...

Aannnnddd I'm going to have to stop you right there.

The account has only one IP address to it. Don't exacerbate things by adding speculative !@#$% to the mix.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Zaeranos on April 10, 2010, 06:40:43 pm
Wow, some bad blood in this topic. But good, back to topic. I came in here thinking it was another topic talking about the hardware innovations of Nintendo's new handheld. Guess my surprise.

But I think I doubt Nintendo will actual listen to what is said on some topic. They will make the hardware the way they like. Speculating about the software is still to premature because Nintendo has revealed too little yet.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 10, 2010, 06:50:59 pm
Wait until E3 for more info; it will be playable there.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Zaeranos on April 11, 2010, 06:30:53 am
Mirby, you are going to be so disappointed at the E3. You expect everything to be playable there, but chances are that it will only be demonstrated or not even that. Like I said earlier: Don't expect anything from the E3.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 11, 2010, 06:36:35 am
The only thing I expect to be playable at E3 is the 3DS, because it was said to be playable there. Everything else I'm hoping for is just at least a sliver of new info.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: DJvenom on April 15, 2010, 07:28:20 am
I'm pretty pissed that they kept the 2 screens, because nothings more fun than having a giant bar down the middle of a game you're playing... After watching the tech demo, it's just stupid... Awesome concept, executed completely wrong.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: hawthorneluke on April 15, 2010, 02:19:19 pm
Having one screen with a big gap in it sucks, but I often think "thank god this thing has 2 screens" when playing DS games that use them wisely. Can be so useful in so many cases, especially with the one closest to your fingers being touch, yet the other not having your hands in the way to display all visually important goods.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 15, 2010, 03:55:40 pm
I'm with DJ on this one.

Honestly, if there was a way to make the hinge seamless, I think it'd be alright, however the bar there is disorienting. I can't stand playing Sonic Rush amongst other games that use both screens actively at all.

Bottom screen = menu
Top screen = game

That's how I roll.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 15, 2010, 05:29:45 pm
Although I love the DS, the hinge can be annoying. When I emulate the DS, I prefer to have a small a gap as possible when playing double-tall games like Contra 4. The DS really shines when one screen is the menu and the other is for gameplay. The Star Force games were good with this; FF4DS did a decent job too (even though the background of the stats in-battle is a continuation of the terrain from the top screen). That being said, although double-tall games are nice, I prefer the two screens to be used for separate things.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: DJvenom on April 17, 2010, 06:17:11 am
Animal Crossing DS was one of the only games that utilized both screens for gameplay efficiently in my opinion :P
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Zaeranos on April 17, 2010, 06:51:52 am
Hmm, I never had such a problem with the two screens. At a certain point I didn't even notice the hinge anymore.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 17, 2010, 06:54:54 am
The gap between the two screens gets on my nerves so much! (My friend broke her DS because she was high and got mad at the gap.)

P.S.: What exactly is animal crossing about?
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: MG-Zero on April 17, 2010, 02:53:58 pm
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Just like AC style for FF7 is the original style but with BETTER GRAPHICS!

I'm sorry, I was reading the thread and I saw this and just..had to stop.


...WHAT?!  How the hell can you call those the same style? O_o

anyway..

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P.S.: What exactly is animal crossing about?

To be completely honest...nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  You get a house and live your life with a bunch of animals.  Pretty fun game for a while, I have to say.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 17, 2010, 05:46:21 pm
MG, what I meant is that in the same way that TP has much better graphics, it's the same as OoT but, due to better graphics, more details can be made. Same with AC to FF7. Back when FF7 came out, they didn't have mouths. Now they do! And more details were able to be shown, hence the basic character redesigns. Or something... I don't know, I'm rambling again...
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 17, 2010, 07:26:52 pm
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Just like AC style for FF7 is the original style but with BETTER GRAPHICS!

I'm sorry, I was reading the thread and I saw this and just..had to stop.


...WHAT?!  How the hell can you call those the same style? O_o

XD I know; I saw that and I had a major wtf moment... Especially considering AC was meant to be at least close to photorealistic, and FF7 was pretty much.... Gobbledegoop between chibi and big-eyed anime styles. Even if I reread that replacing "AC" with "CC", or even "DC" I think to myself "No, and no." since those two are more Kingdom Heartsy. Blegh.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 17, 2010, 08:53:30 pm
It was a bad comparison. Shut up! :P
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Breedlove on April 17, 2010, 09:00:19 pm
I haven't read any of the topic, but I'm just throwing in my two cents. I expect the 3DS to have some really fun games, be innovative, make Nintendo the more richer-est, sell better in Japan, be something I won't want to buy. :P
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 17, 2010, 09:06:21 pm
You didn't miss much. Most of the topic was an argument...
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 17, 2010, 10:29:27 pm
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P.S.: What exactly is animal crossing about?
To be completely honest...nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  You get a house and live your life with a bunch of animals.  Pretty fun game for a while, I have to say.
So its like a N64 kids' version of The Sims.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Breedlove on April 17, 2010, 10:45:19 pm
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P.S.: What exactly is animal crossing about?
To be completely honest...nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  You get a house and live your life with a bunch of animals.  Pretty fun game for a while, I have to say.
So its like a N64 kids' version of The Sims.

I actually like Animal Crossing a lot more than The Sims. Animal Crossing understands how to control my life better than my parents D:

I'd cancel plans with friends so I could play Animal Crossing on the DS last year. I'd like to pick it back up again but I'm afraid I'd waste more of my life on it. It's impossible for me to play that game in moderation. So I had to quit completely :P
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 17, 2010, 10:47:50 pm
So its really addictive. You must confuse reality and gaming world like that. (Especialy if they make it in the 3DS. X .x!)
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 17, 2010, 10:53:00 pm
You must confuse reality and gaming world like that. (Especialy if they make it in the 3DS. X .x!)

I would assume only someone without any form of mental capacity would confuse reality with a cheap 3d effect... Seriously, 3ds isn't going to be that great, and only incredibly stupid people would believe a gimmick in a game is "reality".

Anyway; Never really cared for Animal Crossing personally. The game was really boring :\
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 17, 2010, 11:13:34 pm
You must confuse reality and gaming world like that. (Especialy if they make it in the 3DS. X .x!)
I would assume only someone without any form of mental capacity would confuse reality with a cheap 3d effect...
I was joking... My point was, he'd probably be even more addicted to the 3DS. :P
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 18, 2010, 12:09:18 am
Ummm.. no not at all. In Animal Crossing (which was only on the 64 in Japan), you move into a house in a rural town. You fully control your character. You can fish, catch bugs, dig up fossils, make clothing... Visit this link for more information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_crossing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_crossing)
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Source on April 18, 2010, 12:30:57 am
Eh, I really don't see this getting used to its full potential with the exception of a rare few times. For the most part, it's probably going to be used for shitty simulations and the like.

Kind of like, you know, the Wii.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 12:42:44 am
Ummm.. no not at all. In Animal Crossing (which was only on the 64 in Japan), you move into a house in a rural town. You fully control your character. You can fish, catch bugs, dig up fossils, make clothing.
I know, I just got a patched rom of it for Project64. The patch translated some words to english, but it was still impossible to play without knowing japanease. (Got upto the part were you have to write and deliver a letter.)
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Breedlove on April 18, 2010, 12:52:41 am
I don't think a 3DS Animal Crossing could get me addicted. I'd just think of it as the stupid gimmick that it is and never buy a 3DS in the first place. And I don't easily get addicted to games, just Animal Crossing on the DS for whatever reason or another. Currently I only own five video games :P

All 360 titles, since I sold my other consoles so I could buy condoms, drugs, music (jk lol i torrent that) ...stuff. >_>
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: NickAVV on April 18, 2010, 02:16:19 am
All 360 titles, since I sold my other consoles so I could buy condoms, drugs, music (jk lol i torrent that) ...stuff. >_>
Ahahahaha.

Get a job.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Breedlove on April 18, 2010, 02:49:40 am
All 360 titles, since I sold my other consoles so I could buy condoms, drugs, music (jk lol i torrent that) ...stuff. >_>
Ahahahaha.

Get a job.

Ahahahaha.

Illegally I already have one...!
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 03:37:51 am
All 360 titles, since I sold my other consoles so I could buy condoms, drugs, music (jk lol i torrent that) ...stuff. >_>
Ahahahaha.

Get a job.

Ahahahaha.

Illegally I already have one...!
Ahahahaha.

GO QUOTE PYRAMIDS. :P
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: शेफाली on April 18, 2010, 04:03:45 am
Random, don't spam.  And Breedlove & Moldorma, try not to veer off-topic.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Breedlove on April 18, 2010, 05:07:50 am
I apologize Shefali, getting back on topic, 3DS better have two joysticks. Not that I'm going to purchase one if it does, but handheld gaming needs two joysticks now. It's only logical since the PSP revolutionized one >_>
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 06:44:31 am
Few of the possible candidates. It is possible that none of them are the true appearance, especialy since it is in early development.

(http://media.techeblog.com/images/nintendo3ds.jpg)
(http://media.techeblog.com/images/nintendo3dsconcept.jpg)
(http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/FCKEditorFiles//3ds-impression-9.jpg)
(http://media.techeblog.com/elephant//ul/30824-450x-a_5.jpg)
(http://media.techeblog.com/elephant//ul/30825-450x-a_6.jpg)
(http://media.techeblog.com/elephant//ul/30820-450x-a_1.jpg)
(http://media.techeblog.com/elephant//ul/30821-450x-a_2.jpg)
(http://www.gaj-it.com/wp-content/uploads/nintendo-3ds.jpg)
(http://www.dasreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/nintendo-3ds-ninja-ban.jpg)
(http://www.4colorrebellion.com/media/pics/3ds_mockups/Nintendo_3DS_Concept_1_by_Vischal_Fex.jpg)
(http://www.4colorrebellion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/3ds.png)
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(http://www.4colorrebellion.com/media/pics/3ds_mockups/ws1wrl.png)


Okay, so they are all pretty much self explanitory. Chances are none of these are even remotly close to it. The one I like the most would be the first one which resembles a Game Cube remote. I also like the idea of two joysticks. What I think they should do is replace the D-pad and the letter pad with two joysticks. If you are right handed, they can make the left one act like a D-pad an the right one act like a letter pad. (Vice verca for lefties.) Also, note the ninth one with three screens. It is probably a paint edit, but I think if it were real, it would be two 3DSes (each with 2 screens) with the second screen of both folded down all the way and an extention that costs extra attached. (Or, one is folded down and they put a connection on the other.)
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Zaeranos on April 18, 2010, 06:56:17 am
Random, I know for a fact that those will look nothing like the 3DS. Simply because all of them are Photoshopped.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 18, 2010, 07:05:09 am
That and one of those photos is older than the DS.

(God I seriously !@#$% hate with a burning passion speculative mockup !@#$% when it comes to new systems. Every !@#$% time it's the most retarded looking designs and people either buy into them like morons, or they help sling the godaweful !@#$% all over the internet hoping to get people to buy into it. Seriously. "Fans" have ruined Nintendo and everything Nintendo.)
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 07:35:01 am
(God I seriously !@#$% hate with a burning passion speculative mockup !@#$% when it comes to new systems. Every !@#$% time it's the most retarded looking designs and people either buy into them like morons, or they help sling the godaweful !@#$% all over the internet hoping to get people to buy into it. Seriously. "Fans" have ruined Nintendo and everything Nintendo.)
I agree. And as I said, there is a 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 chance that any of these are really by nintendo, who'd have posted it on their website unless it was an image leak. And even if it were, it is in early development. The design for it could possibly change 8 times before E3 and between then and release. :P
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 18, 2010, 07:38:11 am
There's no "chance" involved; none of those are by Nintendo. Gracing those things with words like "chance" and "possibility" and "hopefully" is giving them too much credit and showing a total disregard for reality.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 18, 2010, 07:39:51 am
Would the 3DS really be early in development if there'll *supposedly* be a playable version at E3, which is in less than two months? If a playable version will be ready that soon, then I don't think it's *that* early in development. In fact, that probably means it's relatively far along... There won't be enough time for the design to change that drastically in that little amount of time. Pull yourself into reality, Random. Not everything can happen that severely that quickly.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Zaeranos on April 18, 2010, 07:41:55 am
I agree with Mammy. There is no way Nintendo would leak that. If a designer would have posted it on his "personal" website, he/she would be instantly fired with no change of ever getting a job again.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mirby on April 18, 2010, 07:48:44 am
Also, it will *most likely* have the same basic design as all DS line systems. A top screen with speakers, and a bottom screen with the buttons and stuff. The mic will most likely be located in the center of the hinge as it has been in the last three DS line systems (Lite, DSi, and the DSiXL), and probably three lights for power, charge, and WiFi as it was in the DSi and the DSiXL. The core design of the system won't be some drastic redesign; it's still a Nintendo DS at it's core. Stop posting BS speculation, Random. The 3DS won't be as new and different as you imagine it.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 07:51:04 am
Would the 3DS really be early in development if there'll *supposedly* be a playable version at E3, which is in less than two months? If a playable version will be ready that soon, then I don't think it's *that* early in development. In fact, that probably means it's relatively far along... There won't be enough time for the design to change that drastically in that little amount of time. Pull yourself into reality, Random. Not everything can happen that severely that quickly.
When I say early in development I mean that it isn't near release, but it is inough along the way. My point is, what if nintendo has three possible designes read and they have to decide or something like that. There are possibilities, but as I said, it is unlikely. Remember, Never say Never (Such a cliche :P), becuase there is always a possibilitie.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 07:54:18 am
Also, it will *most likely* have the same basic design as all DS line systems. A top screen with speakers, and a bottom screen with the buttons and stuff.
Look at the three GBA designs. The Gameboy Advance, the Gameboy Advance SP, and the Gameboy Advance micro all looked drasticly different.
Stop posting BS speculation, Random.
All I was doing was posting the "clamed to be official" 3DS images.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 18, 2010, 07:59:17 am
But that's the thing; there was never a possibility for any of those designs. Ever.

Barely any of them are practical, and not a single one of them has a professional grade design.

Living in a fantasy world of "what if" is exactly what ruins things in the gaming industry. People who start imagining all sorts of relatively retarded !@#$% for the next trend, and start spilling !@#$% all over the internet, even going so far as to make convincing (to stupid people) mockups just to try to make people think that "THIS is how it's going to be!" when in fact it's nothing like that at all.

Also; both yours and Mirby's newest posts could probably have been made edits instead of new posts <_<;;
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Mirby on April 18, 2010, 08:02:14 am
Listen to Mammy, Random. He's right on all counts. You... not so much...

Also, I'll keep in mind the "edit" part... I meant my post to be in addition to Niek's, but meh... I realize the wording would've worked much better as an edit. My bad.

EDIT: Don't trust things that claim to be official. Only trust them if they really are official! Usually, if someone claims that, they're morons and are trying to get some credibility they wouldn't be able to otherwise... Only trust official images from trusted sites.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 08:11:33 am
Living in a fantasy world of "what if" is exactly what ruins things in the gaming industry.
Believing a world with "what if" is a fantasy, is in fact a fantasy. If it weren't for "what if" there would be no human development, curosity, or life. The world would chaos. Also, the gaming industry is group of companies who make challenges for the player in a world that is altered by "what if". For instance, Z1: What if there was a alternate world were a pig seized a legendery item known as the Triforce of Power and a young hero had too defeat the beast to save the world.
People who start imagining all sorts of relatively retarded !@#$% for the next trend, and start spilling !@#$% all over the internet.
If it weren't for people who start imaginating, this website would be nonexsistant.
"THIS is how it's going to be!" when in fact it's nothing like that at all.
I am not saying this is how it is going to be. I am saying they are deaming just that and there is practicly no chance of it, but there is a possibilites. (There is ALWAYS a possibility!)
Also; both yours and Mirby's newest posts could probably have been made edits instead of new posts <_<;;
Sorry. I sometimes double post becuase I worry that people wouldn't notice an update.
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: शेफाली on April 18, 2010, 08:34:31 am
Sorry. I sometimes double post becuase I worry that people wouldn't notice an update.

Don't do that.  ;{
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Mirby on April 18, 2010, 08:34:31 am
Living in a fantasy world of "what if" is exactly what ruins things in the gaming industry.
Believing a world with "what if" is a fantasy, is in fact a fantasy. If it weren't for "what if" there would be no human development, curosity, or life. The world would chaos. Also, the gaming industry is group of companies who make challenges for the player in a world that is altered by "what if". For instance, Z1: What if there was a alternate world were a pig seized a legendery item known as the Triforce of Power and a young hero had too defeat the beast to save the world.
Random, why do you go off on wild-ass tangents when people refute your points? Don't be so defensive; it harms your case more than it helps. And how is "what if?" responsible for human development and life? I'm pretty sure millions of years of random things happening were responsible for life. Seeing as there was nothing to think "what if?" before life, it can't be responsible for life. And it's not "what if this world existed?" It's an original interactive story! Your point makes no sense whatsoever and is therefore completely invalid! We're only trying to help you here. We're not on a mission to prove that you're completely wrong and that we hate you, ya know. (and don't bring up the so-called grudge; I've dropped it, it's time you did too.)
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People who start imagining all sorts of relatively retarded !@#$% for the next trend, and start spilling !@#$% all over the internet.
If it weren't for people who start imaginating, this website would be nonexsistant.
Imaginating? That's not even a word. We don't imagine retarded things like OMG THE NEXT DS WILL HAVE THREE SCREENS! DS stands for Dual or Double Screen; therefore if it had three screens it wouldn't be a DS, now would it? And we just imagine what we want; not everything ties together the way you see it.
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"THIS is how it's going to be!" when in fact it's nothing like that at all.
I am not saying this is how it is going to be. I am saying they are deaming just that and there is practicly no chance of it, but there is a possibilites. (There is ALWAYS a possibility!)
Yes, anything is possible. But you have to factor in probability. Sure, a giant walrus could fall from the sky and sink Florida, that's possible. But it's completely improbable.
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Also; both yours and Mirby's newest posts could probably have been made edits instead of new posts <_<;;
Sorry. I sometimes double post becuase I worry that people wouldn't notice an update.
Well, stop worrying.
Title: Re: 3DS Expectations
Post by: Mamoruanime on April 18, 2010, 08:34:31 am
Living in a fantasy world of "what if" is exactly what ruins things in the gaming industry.
Believing a world with "what if" is a fantasy, is in fact a fantasy. If it weren't for "what if" there would be no human development, curosity, or life. The world would chaos. Also, the gaming industry is group of companies who make challenges for the player in a world that is altered by "what if". For instance, Z1: What if there was a alternate world were a pig seized a legendery item known as the Triforce of Power and a young hero had too defeat the beast to save the world.

... Your logic is massively flawed, because you're confusing your post's speculation with actual development. One has a logical, well grounded basis, and the other is simply some geeks on the internet farting out stupid ideas to get people like you to believe them :x

People who start imagining all sorts of relatively retarded !@#$% for the next trend, and start spilling !@#$% all over the internet.
If it weren't for people who start imaginating, this website would be nonexsistant.

Considering this website was created because one guy played a game (that exists) and wanted to make it in another style (that *gasp* also exists), there's not really much imagination behind it's creation. It's not like ZFGC was created because a group of people wanted to make fangames. It was created because one guy wanted to make a 2d version of a 3d game. Nothing really imaginative.

"THIS is how it's going to be!" when in fact it's nothing like that at all.
I am not saying this is how it is going to be. I am saying they are deaming just that and there is practicly no chance of it, but there is a possibilites. (There is ALWAYS a possibility!)

And I'm saying "No, there's not a possibility". I don't know how old you are, but I assume if you've been on the internet longer then 8 years you'd know that every time a new system comes out, people like you post a bunch of mockups saying exactly what you're saying right now. It's like clockwork. I'm just glad people on this forum aren't stupid enough to buy into that !@#$%. 3DS wont look like anything you posted, and every "hope" you've posted for it will never come into fruition. At all.
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 08:59:49 am
responsible for human development and life?
Not so much life as in "he's alive!" but life as in a way of life. What if raised plants? What if we made a machine to wright things? What if we make a rising and falling room that allows one to go up floors without the use of stair cases?
it's time you did too
I'm not holding a grudge. > .>
Imaginating? That's not even a word. We don't imagine retarded things like OMG THE NEXT DS WILL HAVE THREE SCREENS! DS stands for Dual or Double Screen; therefore if it had three screens it wouldn't be a DS, now would it? And we just imagine what we want; not everything ties together the way you see it.
You know that I ment Imagining. >:( I never said there would be three screens. > .>
Yes, anything is possible. But you have to factor in probability. Sure, a giant walrus could fall from the sky and sink Florida, that's possible. But it's completely improbable.
That is exactly my point. It is highly improbable that any of these are of the real 3DS, but it is possible.
Well, stop worrying.
Sorry. > .<

Also, some people may make quote pyramids and may get confused if one quote is nameless. Can you please list the name of the person who made the quote in the tag?

Update:
I don't know how old you are, but I assume if you've been on the internet longer then 8 years.
I'm 22 and I've been on the internet for a long time. (But I've only known english for a few years.)
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Mirby on April 18, 2010, 09:08:01 am
responsible for human development and life?
Not so much life as in "he's alive!" but life as in a way of life. What if raised plants? What if we made a machine to wright things? What if we make a rising and falling room that allows one to go up floors without the use of stair cases?
What if I design stupid mock-ups for a system? What if I think they're real?

What if is not the reason for everything. For instance, the machine for writing was just a natural evolution of the pencil, which was a natural evolution for the quill and ink... And the elevator? It was designed so people wouldn't have to climb tens of flights of stairs to get to their destination, it wasn't a WHAT IF for that reason.
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it's time you did too
I'm not holding a grudge. > .>
It's your go-to complaint when I refute your points... but enough on this subject...
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Imaginating? That's not even a word. We don't imagine retarded things like OMG THE NEXT DS WILL HAVE THREE SCREENS! DS stands for Dual or Double Screen; therefore if it had three screens it wouldn't be a DS, now would it? And we just imagine what we want; not everything ties together the way you see it.
You know that I ment Imagining. >:( I never said there would be three screens. > .>
You posted a pic of one with three screens, therefore you did.
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Yes, anything is possible. But you have to factor in probability. Sure, a giant walrus could fall from the sky and sink Florida, that's possible. But it's completely improbable.
That is exactly my point. It is highly improbable that any of these are of the real 3DS, but it is possible.
No, you said they could be. Once again, you're contradicting yourself. Stop.

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Also, some people may make quote pyramids and may get confused if one quote is nameless. Can you please list the name of the person who made the quote in the tag?
You're the only one getting confused. Most people know they can scroll up to the original post...

Also, Mammy's honestly got much better refutations than me... WHY IS HE SO SMART? AND HANDSOME? I mean...
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Zaeranos on April 18, 2010, 09:30:47 am
Random, when you post an update after a day and there hasn't been any activity since in the topic then you can worry about people not seeing your update, but it also means that people are no longer interested in the topic (unless it is a project topic). You double post after measly minutes, when people didn't even get the time to read the original post.

About the "what if" you are right that it takes imagination to develop things and that it progresses human society. But something you fail to recognize is that you have two "what if" types.

One is the "what if" that scientists, developers, writers and all that work in. They imagine something and work to make it a reality. It results in products, scientific discoveries or fiction. And when the "what if" can't be realised they drop it and leave it at that. It is the controlled "what if". This community was founded on the idea that a guy had to make an existing 3D game in 2D. He worked on it, there were demos and he proved it could be done.

The second type is the complete hogwash, rampaging "what if". It is speculating about things they have no control over and theorizing about things that have no foundation to work on. This  would only result delusions. People that believe in it build up hope and in the occasion that they will get an answer, they end up disappointed and angry.

Random, you should learn to recognize the two and not hammer on the matter when dealing with the second type.


Mirby: You are wrong as well. Imagining things first is always the cause to progress. No technological advances occur naturally, without people thinking it up first.

And if you two don't hold a grudge why continue on it and bring it up again. Please get a hotel room. You two bicker like a married couple. 
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Mirby on April 18, 2010, 09:35:46 am
I don't even know why I posted again... I meant to leave it to Mammy...
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 10:11:02 pm
What if I design stupid mock-ups for a system? What if I think they're real?

What if is not the reason for everything. For instance, the machine for writing was just a natural evolution of the pencil, which was a natural evolution for the quill and ink... And the elevator? It was designed so people wouldn't have to climb tens of flights of stairs to get to their destination, it wasn't a WHAT IF for that reason.
Everything in the world is created by two main factors: "what if" and accidental/natural. I also agree that both of these can be furthur catagorized, but this is the main reasons.
It's your go-to complaint when I refute your points... but enough on this subject...
I just said that once. > .> You say I said one thing a million times, but then you contadict yourself. (Like how you said I use the language excuse a million times when I only said that once.)
You posted a pic of one with three screens, therefore you did.
It's not like I made the image.
No, you said they could be. Once again, you're contradicting yourself. Stop.
Contradicting?... Could be and What if are the same thing. > .>
You're the only one getting confused. Most people know they can scroll up to the original post...
Not when you take a fraction of a post that you can't find unless you use ctrl-f. (But it may be on another page also...)
Also, Mammy's honestly got much better refutations than me... WHY IS HE SO SMART? AND HANDSOME? I mean...
0 .0;
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Mirby on April 18, 2010, 10:35:54 pm
Technically, you used the language excuse for as many posts as it was in your siggy, because it was technically always in your post. Therefore, you used it quite a few times. And if you posted the pics, some part of you believed that it was possible that it was the design. Not probable, but you apparently don't believe in that. And I never said you made the image. Could be and what if are two different things, btw. And if the post I'm quoting is on another page, I put that there.

One last thing: Stop taking everything so personally and so seriously. If you can't handle the fact that very little on the internet is serious, you have no business being on it. First rule of the internet is to never take anything seriously! So stop it!
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Pedlya on April 18, 2010, 10:36:13 pm
What if I design stupid mock-ups for a system? What if I think they're real?

What if is not the reason for everything. For instance, the machine for writing was just a natural evolution of the pencil, which was a natural evolution for the quill and ink... And the elevator? It was designed so people wouldn't have to climb tens of flights of stairs to get to their destination, it wasn't a WHAT IF for that reason.
Everything in the world is created by two main factors: "what if" and accidental/natural. I also agree that both of these can be furthur catagorized, but this is the main reasons.
It's your go-to complaint when I refute your points... but enough on this subject...
I just said that once. > .> You say I said one thing a million times, but then you contadict yourself. (Like how you said I use the language excuse a million times when I only said that once.)
You posted a pic of one with three screens, therefore you did.
It's not like I made the image.
No, you said they could be. Once again, you're contradicting yourself. Stop.
Contradicting?... Could be and What if are the same thing. > .>
You're the only one getting confused. Most people know they can scroll up to the original post...
Not when you take a fraction of a post that you can't find unless you use ctrl-f. (But it may be on another page also...)
Also, Mammy's honestly got much better refutations than me... WHY IS HE SO SMART? AND HANDSOME? I mean...
0 .0;

Random, youre a real smartass you know that?
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: DJvenom on April 18, 2010, 10:36:49 pm
(http://media.techeblog.com/images/nintendo3ds.jpg)
I have a feeling this is what the 3DS is gonna look like... Oh wait, no I don't, because it's playing a gamecube game, only has 1 screen and looks nothing like the 3DS from the tech demo video.
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Pedlya on April 18, 2010, 10:39:50 pm
(http://media.techeblog.com/images/nintendo3ds.jpg)
I have a feeling this is what the 3DS is gonna look like... Oh wait, no I don't, because it's playing a gamecube game, only has 1 screen and looks nothing like the 3DS from the tech demo video.

I lol'd.
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Random on April 18, 2010, 10:46:04 pm
Technically, you used the language excuse for as many posts as it was in your siggy, because it was technically always in your post. Therefore, you used it quite a few times.
What kind of mixed logic are you using? When I realised I put it in the wrong area, I removed it.
And if you posted the pics, some part of you believed that it was possible that it was the design. Not probable, but you apparently don't believe in that.
Were did I show that I didn't believe in that? This what I believed the whole time: It is possible that one of these are the design, but it isn't likely.
One last thing: Stop taking everything so personally and so seriously. If you can't handle the fact that very little on the internet is serious, you have no business being on it. First rule of the internet is to never take anything seriously! So stop it!
Sorry, that is just the way I am. You have to take things serously. "Oh look, this website wants my credit card number so they can charge me $100 every mounth so I could look at a picture of a racoon." First rule of the internet is not reveal your whole life too the world that is unkown too you.
Random, youre a real smartass you know that?
Was that ment as an insult?...
Quote from: DJvenom
I ment, I'd like it too look like that. (It is just becuase I miss the Gamecub design. :P) But again, that is highly inprobable.
(http://www.zfgc.com/forum/Themes/midnight/images/warnpmod.gif) arguing over trivial hypotheticals / continuing forum drama
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: bertfallen on April 18, 2010, 10:51:57 pm
Oh god, is this going to be another Mirby vs Random?
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: Mirby on April 18, 2010, 10:55:11 pm
NOT EVERY !@#$% PLACE ON THE !@#$% INTERNET IS GOING TO STEAL YOUR IDENTITY! YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CREDIT CARD NUMBERS AND !@#$% HERE! WE DON'T USE THEM! THIS IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN !@#$% RELAX, OKAY! I UNDERSTAND TAKING THINGS SERIOUSLY IS IMPORTANT IN REAL LIFE, BUT GUESS WHAT! THIS IS ZFGC! TAKE A !@#$% BREATHER, RELAX, HAVE SOME !@#$% FUN! GOT IT?

you know what, I'm leaving ZFGC until you're gone. Because I know that if I stay, I'm gonna be banned because you think you know everything about everything. Well guess what. You don't. No one does. THIS SITE WAS STARTED BECAUSE SOME ONE SAID WHAT IF I DID THIS? You know nothing about ZFGC. Take a trip in a !@#$% time machine back to 2003 when ZFGC was founded by Daniel Barras, alias TheRealMethuselah, and we'll talk then. Otherwise, shut the !@#$% up and STOP ARGUING EVERY LITTLE !@#$% THING! Yeesh.

Farewell, ZFGC! Until Random's gone, I'm gone!

@bert: No, because I quit.
Title: Re: 3DS Topic
Post by: 4Sword on April 18, 2010, 11:03:20 pm
Actually, to ensure that you'll keep your word, you're banned for 2 months (there was actually discussion about this in the staff area). Random, also really, you need to stop being so argumentative over hypothetical trivialities (you're being put on post moderation). Also, either myself or some moderators might go back and delete some of the pointless posts.

Also, while I look forward to the Nintendo 3DS, I won't have the money to afford it and would rather focus on making my own games. If it was in some way GameCube game compatible, I'd consider it more because it'd be awesome to play some Melee on the go, but the 3D technology introduced on the system seems to be indicative that they're not really going to much in that route.

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