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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2008, 07:56:21 pm »
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Quoted for Truth. Straight pride parades make no real sense. How often are you persecuted for being straight Pyro?

Gay pride parades make no sense. Why do you guys need to celebrate being gay? WHY? This is exactly why gays are hated so much generally. They don't need all this parade !@#$%. They don't need to protest. Just be gay and get on with your day, ignore everyone else.

Can you people not read? I explicitly stated on two occasions I only want mature, intelligent replies in this topic. And even the moderators are incapable of acting like adults. This is sad. No wonder this forum is dying. There are plenty of other topics for you to go act like asses in.

Oh right. Nobody can talk bad about gays or else they aren't acting like adults and are very immature.

Also I don't get this OMG MODERATOR IS IMMATURE !@#$% seriously, we're normal members too, expect we moderate the forums. Oh right, cause we are moderators we have to act like emotionless robots.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2008, 07:59:19 pm »
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Quoted for Truth. Straight pride parades make no real sense. How often are you persecuted for being straight Pyro?

Gay pride parades make no sense. Why do you guys need to celebrate being gay? WHY? This is exactly why gays are hated so much generally. They don't need all this parade !@#$%. They don't need to protest. Just be gay and get on with your day, ignore everyone else.


The Gay Pride Parade is to celebrate the removal of the laws preventing homosexuality. THATS WHY IT EXISTS.

Can you people not read? I explicitly stated on two occasions I only want mature, intelligent replies in this topic. And even the moderators are incapable of acting like adults. This is sad. No wonder this forum is dying. There are plenty of other topics for you to go act like asses in.

Oh right. Nobody can talk bad about gays or else they aren't acting like adults and are very immature.

Also I don't get this OMG MODERATOR IS IMMATURE !@#$% seriously, we're normal members too, expect we moderate the forums. Oh right, cause we are moderators we have to act like emotionless robots.

There have been immature comments in this topic, and furthermore we're moderators we're supposed to set an example to the members. A GOOD example.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2008, 04:28:58 pm »
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FFS people, you could have given me an easier job of cleaning this topic up.

Anyway Aliento, I've removed most of the posts I think are off-topic. Don't have time to individually remove quotes from all current posts though, sorry.

I've also moved to debates, since thats what this is bound to turn into.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2008, 05:03:16 pm »
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TDJ, I cleaned up this topic for a reason. Continue that discussion and you will get punished.

EDIT: Infact, removed your post.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2008, 05:07:04 pm »
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Ok, this sounds good. I thank you sincerely Infini. Anyone who thinks poorly of you is very deeply mistaken <3.

OK, Back on topic, people!

So yes, is there anyone who would NOT vote "No" on prop 8, if given the chance? Why or why not? As I said, serious, mature responses only please.

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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2008, 05:13:41 pm »
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Sorry, I actually posted that before I read your post, I was about to edit it out with another message when I got distracted by my parents coming home and Half-Life 2 finishing installing...sorry :P

Anyway, yeah I'd vote "no" on it myself (if I could), marriage is a legal contract, gender/sexuality differences shouldn't exist. I don't care about 'church marriages', that'd be down to the religion in question, and views of the vicar or whatever they are called nowadays in this craaazy world.

And on something you, Aliento, mentioned about Homosexual porn involving different things, I wonder what women who have anal sex in porn are paid? Of course it's not strictly the same really, but could still shown a clear price difference...hmm...

I must now find some porn...for...uhh...science, yes for science.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2008, 06:04:39 pm »
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Voting yes deal with it.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2008, 06:26:30 pm »
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2008, 06:27:12 pm »
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So what! I wanna get out! 'Cos there's so much out there! So many different people, living different lives! Incredibly good guys, bad guys... Folks completely different from us! It's one huge melting pot! See, it's not about success, dying in the streets, who's better, who's not! I just want to be a part of it! I realized that even if I've no connections, no talent, even if I'm one big loser, I want to use my hands and feet to think and move, to shape my own life! We can just die here or we can try, see what we've got!
Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2008, 06:32:38 pm »
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Just feel like it.
Haven't you said before that you are bi? How can you vote AGAINST gay marriage?

Let it be known that I respect anyone's choice to vote "yes" if they so choose, I simply want to know WHY.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2008, 06:37:35 pm »
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Just feel like it.
Haven't you said before that you are bi? How can you vote AGAINST gay marriage?

Let it be known that I respect anyone's choice to vote "yes" if they so choose, I simply want to know WHY.

Im bi correct, simply because I have homosexual tendencies does not mean I think or feel a certain way. I came upon asking this question of prop 8 to two of my gay friends, they both believe that marriage (as I do) is religious and should remain religious between a man and a women. This is simply my belief i'm not against gays in the slightest I just don't think that we/they should be married.

tl;dr gay/bi != same belief
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So what! I wanna get out! 'Cos there's so much out there! So many different people, living different lives! Incredibly good guys, bad guys... Folks completely different from us! It's one huge melting pot! See, it's not about success, dying in the streets, who's better, who's not! I just want to be a part of it! I realized that even if I've no connections, no talent, even if I'm one big loser, I want to use my hands and feet to think and move, to shape my own life! We can just die here or we can try, see what we've got!
Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2008, 06:51:58 pm »
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Technically, marriage IS strictly between a man and a woman. No man can marry a man and no woman can marry a woman.

It's called civil partnership, so technically they're not getting married, so technically it's not against religion.

mirite?
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2008, 06:54:17 pm »
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Ur rite thats why i'm voting. The law isn't to ban gays from partnering its to ban them from the act of marriage :3
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So what! I wanna get out! 'Cos there's so much out there! So many different people, living different lives! Incredibly good guys, bad guys... Folks completely different from us! It's one huge melting pot! See, it's not about success, dying in the streets, who's better, who's not! I just want to be a part of it! I realized that even if I've no connections, no talent, even if I'm one big loser, I want to use my hands and feet to think and move, to shape my own life! We can just die here or we can try, see what we've got!
Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2008, 06:58:35 pm »
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Well if you wont vote no, why dont you just....NOT vote on it? Please? I'll love you forever and ever!
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2008, 07:01:10 pm »
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The problem is marriage is a legal contract, that carries certain benefits to the recipitants; if there were no legal issues regarding it (removal ALL legal protection and benefits for those in marriage), then who gives a !@#$%?

Seriously, male/male and female/female commited partnerships analogous to those in marriages do not get the same legal protection as those who are actually married, and there's seriously unfair.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2008, 07:03:57 pm »
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Well if you wont vote no, why dont you just....NOT vote on it? Please? I'll love you forever and ever!

My vote is swung pretty fuckin easily. Not voting now :D
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2008, 08:01:54 pm »
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Aliento, if only I was 18...

(I'm 15 turning 16 soon :P)
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2008, 08:05:33 pm »
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Technically, marriage IS strictly between a man and a woman. No man can marry a man and no woman can marry a woman.

It's called civil partnership, so technically they're not getting married, so technically it's not against religion.

mirite?

Depends what you view as marriage, and even then like Pyru said, they still don't have exactly the same benefits.

Besides, Religious Marriage and Legal Marriage are completely separate things nowadays. They may have started the same, but that's irrelevant in the modern world: They became separate entities when church and state became separate entities.

For the former, I say it's up to the religions beliefs and beliefs of the vicars/ministers/whatever involved.

For the latter, it's a contact, nothing more. It's there to protect those who marry because it traditionally involved leaving one career "for the family", and as much as some try to deny it, on average one of the partners in a marriage relies on the other to earn the most money, and without this income could not live the life they lead.

This means some legal protection is required, in the event the person they gave up their career for dies, they need protecting. Now, this protection should not extend to people based on whether it's a man and a man or a man and a women or a women and a women, it should extend to all such couples or none at all, anything else cannot be justified. This doesn't subtract from the meaning of marriage, nor the wonder, it simply makes society as a whole better.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2008, 09:51:58 pm »
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People that are against gay marriage really sadden me. You can try to point the blame away from religion, but, seriously, what other reason is there for an otherwise sane politician to attempt to suppress a large group of people for their sexual orientation, other than outright homophobia?

You claim you want to punish all homosexual people for the protests of some (which they deserve to hold). Isn't that the exact same thing as blaming Christianity for anti gay marriage laws? You're not trying hard enough.

It doesn't matter what marriage is. I agree: it's a stupid, self-restricting tradition which will probably only hurt you in the end. However, these people want it. Not only that, but there's absolutely no reason for them to be denied it.
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Re: To all Californians...vote NO on prop 8!
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2008, 09:54:22 pm »
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^ If that's directed at me, I said if I were in California I probably wouldn't vote based on my perceptions of the gay community. Show me some more of gays educating people on their beliefs instead of throwing bitchfits they can't get married, show me more of gays feeding the hungry, helping the weak, and then I'll put the idiots aside and swing pro-gay marriage.
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