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ZFGC.com => Feedback => Topic started by: FISSURE on July 11, 2007, 12:07:38 am
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ZFGC was founded for two reasons, 1. To promote Ocarina of Time 2D. and 2. A place for Zelda Fan Game Makers and Game Makers alike to post about their games and post in general. ZFGC has destroyed the first reason under good intent, but is the second reason falling into oblivion? Let's take a look at a few things before we decide.
If we look at both the: Zelda Project Development. and Indie Project Development boards. The Zelda Project Development board currently has 42 topics. While the Indie Project Development currently has 54 topics. Game making takes a lot of work. Let's say roughly 10% of those fan games will get finished. Now i don't want to be a negative nelly, but like i said, Game making takes a lot of work, and games get abandoned all the time when they become too big to make.
Ocarina of Time 2D was the reason everyone came here. It brought people, it brought game makers. It populated the forum with everything needed to make it what it is today.
If more and more people made games, that would be kind of good. That would also mean more and more topics about games that would most likely not get finished. Again, we're talking about roughly 10% of fan games and indie games being finished.
If we really want this forum to get bigger, and more game makers to come and for people to start making games. Then we need to advertise. We need to promote ZFGC to other forums, we need to have sigs on other forums chatting up ZFGC.
If we want to get people interested, we need to promote fan games more, We need to post more comments about games, we need more people playing demo's and giving feedback, looking at screenshots and giving feedback. People make games for others to play, if we aren't looking at more games that people make and commenting on them, then whats the point in people making games?
Yes, this was kind of random.
Please give some feedback on improving the forum and general game making.
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God damn it, I was going to make an announcement to this effect, but whatever, I'll just comment in this one and share some of my ideas that I had.
I had an idea about the Zelda and Indie Development areas in general, so here it is from a text of something larger I was planning:
Secondly, the Zelda and Indie Project Development boards are going to be tweaked due to confusion with the Graveyard. The Graveyard isn’t for posting predevelopment projects! It is for dead development projects that are not being worked on anymore. With that being said, the Zelda and Indie Development areas are going to get gutted a bit as old topics are cleaned out. Also, all topics in the Graveyard will be like topics in the Forum Archive; you won’t be able to post in them.
About the Development area, I was thinking about bringing back the Ideas and Fan Fiction. This is mainly due to people still being confused over where to just post ideas or where to post fan fiction at all. Although not a lot of people post fan fiction, separating ideas out of development if they are not intended to be developed will be a good thing. It was also make the area look more like Invisionfree and past iterations of this place, so the nostalgia will be there too. However, I will ask for your ideas on that before it gets implemented.
I'm going to move this to Forum Feedback though and put in a news item for it as well though, I hope you don't mind.
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God damn it, I was going to make an announcement to this effect, but whatever, I'll just comment in this one and share some of my ideas that I had.
I had an idea about the Zelda and Indie Development areas in general, so here it is from a text of something larger I was planning:
Secondly, the Zelda and Indie Project Development boards are going to be tweaked due to confusion with the Graveyard. The Graveyard isn’t for posting predevelopment projects! It is for dead development projects that are not being worked on anymore. With that being said, the Zelda and Indie Development areas are going to get gutted a bit as old topics are cleaned out. Also, all topics in the Graveyard will be like topics in the Forum Archive; you won’t be able to post in them.
About the Development area, I was thinking about bringing back the Ideas and Fan Fiction. This is mainly due to people still being confused over where to just post ideas or where to post fan fiction at all. Although not a lot of people post fan fiction, separating ideas out of development if they are not intended to be developed will be a good thing. It was also make the area look more like Invisionfree and past iterations of this place, so the nostalgia will be there too. However, I will ask for your ideas on that before it gets implemented.
I'm going to move this to Forum Feedback though and put in a news item for it as well though, I hope you don't mind.
Sorry, if i had known i would have waited.
I don't mind about moving it and the news item and such.
The Graveyard isn’t for posting predevelopment projects! It is for dead development projects that are not being worked on anymore.
I'm one of the people that wondered about that. I was looking at the graveyard earlier and was wondering if new topics about games go there. I checked the sticky in the Zelda and Indie project boards and it still said how the topics on that board were topics mods would move if it they thought it should and such and said how to post it on the pre-development board, but i looked and couldn't find a pre-development board.
the Zelda and Indie Development areas are going to get gutted a bit as old topics are cleaned out. Also, all topics in the Graveyard will be like topics in the Forum Archive; you won’t be able to post in them.
That makes sense especially making the graveyard read-only.
About the Development area, I was thinking about bringing back the Ideas and Fan Fiction. This is mainly due to people still being confused over where to just post ideas or where to post fan fiction at all. Although not a lot of people post fan fiction, separating ideas out of development if they are not intended to be developed will be a good thing.
Thats a good idea. Although like you said not a lot of people seem to post fan-fiction. Maybe having a fan-fiction board will intrigue people so they decide to try and post a fan-fiction. Also, if someone is scrolling down the forum and they see their are new post's in the fan fiction it may incline them to post and rate the fan fiction.
It was also make the area look more like Invisionfree and past iterations of this place, so the nostalgia will be there too. However, I will ask for your ideas on that before it gets implemented.
Indeed. It will also make it look more organized.
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We need a spam board! ^^
No, but seriously. We just need to get more people making games... I, for one stopped programming because it took up WAYYYY to much time and killed my social life. I might start up another project but not obsess over it and starting trying out new stuff for like 10 hours a day. >_<. I remeber during the school year i would come home at like 3PM and just sit there on my computer tell like 10PM and be like. "woh wtf, whered the day go?"
So yah, I dunno >_> I might start working on some projects again, but I dont want it to be a social liferuiner. I'm not 100% sure where I stand on this issue.
But, I know for sure that we need more game makers developing games and having the community more centered around fangames, NOT off-topic and community speech. Although spam is fun sometimes ^^
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Sorry, if i had known i would have waited.
I don't mind about moving it and the news item and such.
Meh, it worked out better this way.
Thats a good idea. Although like you said not a lot of people seem to post fan-fiction. Maybe having a fan-fiction board will intrigue people so they decide to try and post a fan-fiction. Also, if someone is scrolling down the forum and they see their are new post's in the fan fiction it may incline them to post and rate the fan fiction.
Yeah, bringing back the Ideas and Fan Fiction as sub-boards of the Zelda and Indie Development section would create two more boards, but it would also serve an important point. It would bring fan fiction closer to development rather than it being posted in Other Discussion. It would also allow ideas to just be posted; and that should be encouraged, just posting ideas and not being so stigmatized to that would be a good thing. Finally, with all of that in place, the actual Zelda and Indie sections would be less cluttered, more organized, and the whole development cycle could be contained and without leaks.
We need a spam board! ^^
If there is more development occurring, then that would be a possibility. The diversion of spam, as spam is a diversion, will only work if development is at the same level of activity.
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A SPAM BOARD? FO' REAL!?
/cruise control
Lol, that would be so awesome ^^
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Well, one thing I really think people need to stop doing is keep their projects secret. I know, you have this awesome idea and want it to be revolutionary when it is released, but it doesn't help us. Even if it is just in idea form, it would be good to type it up and post it.
I myself, have been thinking of making a programming blog on ZFGC ,discussing all my ideas that I have had. Not sure if it is allowed though.
Anyway, advertising is something else that has to be revamped. If you had seen one of my previous posts, I discussed that we should advertise like we are selling something; Make it seem better then it actually is. Show (Pre-rendered) pictures of huge explosions with Link and Zelda jumping out of a glass window in front, sword in hand, ready to kick some ass. Even if the game sucks in comparison to the screen, we still have people interested and possible joiners. (Especially if we do an Oot2d, saying this is real gameplay yet never releasing a demo.)
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A SPAM BOARD? FO' REAL!?
/cruise control
Lol, that would be so awesome ^^
spam board sucks, makes you look more stupid Well, we need a project that catch people attention like OoT not a community project, just a project that makes people say "I need to join this forum"
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If we want to attract more people..
The Z must go.
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If we want to attract more people..
The Z must go.
Let's outsource our problems, that will solve everything. >.>, seriously, looking out so much without improving what is here isn't going to make anything better. Sure people some people will get over here, but nothing will make them stay if this place doesn't improve what it has in its existing members and forum itself. The name is something that stays. Mainly because it's what we started with and because going to just FGC will cut our boards to shits.
Well, one thing I really think people need to stop doing is keep their projects secret. I know, you have this awesome idea and want it to be revolutionary when it is released, but it doesn't help us. Even if it is just in idea form, it would be good to type it up and post it.
I myself, have been thinking of making a programming blog on ZFGC ,discussing all my ideas that I have had. Not sure if it is allowed though.
Anyway, advertising is something else that has to be revamped. If you had seen one of my previous posts, I discussed that we should advertise like we are selling something; Make it seem better then it actually is. Show (Pre-rendered) pictures of huge explosions with Link and Zelda jumping out of a glass window in front, sword in hand, ready to kick some ass. Even if the game sucks in comparison to the screen, we still have people interested and possible joiners. (Especially if we do an Oot2d, saying this is real gameplay yet never releasing a demo.)
Yeah, I am a little guilty of that too. I have been working on a project, but haven't really brought it here because I think it sucks. Not sure what you mean by the blog, but if it is programming as you say then it could always go in the Programming section. Seriously, anything with content is welcome here >.<. Yeah, and about the advertising, that could always be beefed up too. Anything that gets people to post in topics or gets people to join to post in those topics would help out.
A SPAM BOARD? FO' REAL!?
/cruise control
Lol, that would be so awesome ^^
Confidentiality sucks, so this is a public warning in case the other ones weren't working. Just don't spam; I am referring to other incidents that you had today. The next warning will be for ignoring staff warnings. Just try to keep it civilized, please. I said please.
But yeah, any more ideas? I am actually going through all of the ones you may have. How about finishing the Zora theme (well, mostly hidden staff buttons are still green, but still). Moldorma get to it if you see this, you are back from the doctor now!
How about Member of the Month? How do you think that should be chosen? By staff nomination, by member nomination, by manager choice, etc? What do you want from that and what should being MoTM get you? Stuff like that.
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All I really want from the ZFGC is for people to join and instantly become hooked because of its atmosphere. I don't really come for the fangames, rather, I come to have a good time.
Also, I want my post count to literally say "ONE BAJILLION"
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i don't think it really matters, ive never designed a game and although i like pretending that im going 2 i never will. nowdays fangaming is only one section.
note what do u do 2 a topic where people arn't ontopic
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I don't really know what we can do to attract new members to our forums. I mean... what's the point of this forum anyway? What do we do here? Its basically all the old members making posts about how great the old days were containing high entrails of nostalgia.
I just don't know what our options are, because I have no idea how any new members could be attracted to this place.
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I agree with Source, I don't come for fangames.. In fact, I can't stand them.
I just come for the feeling.
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Well, I have decided to dislike fangaming because they are really controlled in the way that you can't add certain things, I prefer indie gaming more creative,imo.
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I agree with Kren, actually. I am working on a Zelda fangame, I haven't posted it because I'm taking it very slowly and I think posting it would cause me to get on a rush for it and then totally forget it. I'd rather hide it and go it slow, then post when it's done or well underway. But all we really need is people to be regular. To keep working. Whether it's writing, developing, spriting, tiling, reviewing, or posting interesting stuff in off-topic, get people doing stuff, make other people excited to be a part of what goes on adn get them, in turn, doing stuff themselves. I'd stopped spriting and developing before I came back here and it got me excited about that again, and I've become much better now, particularly at pixelling, but also somewhat at developing. Just get people excited and active. Too many lurk and don't post. 90 views, 5 replies, you see it everywhere, and it's crap.
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The lack of (fan)games is not the problem on ZFGC but the interests of people in (fan)games. For example after 5 billion years someone(imflecter) finally finished a Zelda Fangame which is unique! His topic doesn't gets the attention it deserves.
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People here pay more attention to debate and drama topics than fan game topics.
We need to change that, this is supposed to be a zelda forum not a drama hang-out.
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Zelda Drama Hang-out Central...I like the sound of it </sarcasm>
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Part of having an aged community is dragging along some form of 'drama with it'. We have to allow some public opinion on matters, because it was done so in the past, its only right we do it now. We also need to better control how we manage how the public gives their opinion. Not oppressing, but making sure things don't get out of hand. We don't want flamey angry posts starting off in the feed back section, those are the kind of posts I out right ignore, if someone can come to me and discuss something civil, in a serious way I'll be happy to discuss it with them.
We've discussed dropping the "Z" in the past, I think as everyone else said, and I agree with, that would ruin the concept of what we're here for. Zelda are getting to a bleh point, but we don't suppress the development of other fan games, or indie games (in fact I encourage them so users continue to grow their skills at game development). I fully assume Nintendo is 100% aware of this forum, as we've been ranked fairly high on Alexa on the past, and indirectly been on Digg several times, they're not ignorant of us. We can only assume that they actually enjoy what they see, they're impressed by some of the creativity we have. Obviously fan game creation is not 'legal' in most aspects, which is why we should always try to give as much credit as we can to the original creators of the game concepts, trade marks, artists, ect. Not doing so would be very disrespectful.
People need to remember the moderation team can and will be lenient on issues, however its best if everyone follows the terms of service and rules that are given in the board. If you flame, troll, post naked pictures, do anything weird or random, its most likely that something will happen to you. If you whine/!@#$% about these, its most likely nothing will get done (unless it was an honest mistake -- which has happened). If you want attention from an administrator, further worsening the situation wont get you there, sit down and discuss it with them or a moderator, figure out why/what went wrong. Last of all, don't post it in the public, query mod/admins, and or email us .
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One of the things that is happening right now and I think more of this projects should be made is the zfgc sprite project or whatever is call, it brings all the community together and the "main" theme of the site,Zelda.
We should have a fan game project as well,etc.
More organized sprite competitions,fan game competitions, and so on.
I would love to participate but most of the times people just drop out or forget about them and it really brings you down to think that people are not here for zelda but more for a hang-out.
Also, don't get me wrong I'm not saying you guys are doing a bad job.
But as long as the community still alive everything is good right?...o_0
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I think we could attract more members if we had better fangames, or better projects in general. For some reason every Zelda fangame here has almost always stuck to the generic Zelda formula; *Evil entity* wants to take over *land game takes place in* by using *incredibley powerful mysterious artifact*. In order to stop him, Link must go through the first 3 dungeons and collect *elemtal collectables* then another 5 to get the *peices of thing that is more/as powerful as the incredibley powerful and mysterious artifact*.
Though Kingmob's fangame doesn't stick exactly to that mold, it still isn't the most original fangame it could be. Throw in some talking dinosaurs in place of ganon, then we might be able to talk. I don't even come here for the fangames anymore; I just like being here. Zfgc has some pretty cool people on it and its just fun to well... post here. Its probably the best forum I've ever been on, honestly.
I have been working on my game(Not a fangame of any kind) and I think its what the community of Zfgc really needs, something that this, maybe even any other forum has never seen before. I can't say anything, but it'll be different. I think if we have more different games, it will encourage others to do the same; Think outside of the box.
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First of all, how the hell am I meant to chat up a message board? Apart from that, sure, we should get more game makers. I'll advertise.
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First of all, how the hell am I meant to chat up a message board? Apart from that, sure, we should get more game makers. I'll advertise.
I'll advertise on some forums I go on as well.
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I'll advertize as much as I can.
I agree with Uma. People should get away from the formula, it's overused.
~Piks
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I think we could attract more members if we had better fangames, or better projects in general. For some reason every Zelda fangame here has almost always stuck to the generic Zelda formula; *Evil entity* wants to take over *land game takes place in* by using *incredibley powerful mysterious artifact*. In order to stop him, Link must go through the first 3 dungeons and collect *elemtal collectables* then another 5 to get the *peices of thing that is more/as powerful as the incredibley powerful and mysterious artifact*.
Though Kingmob's fangame doesn't stick exactly to that mold, it still isn't the most original fangame it could be. Throw in some talking dinosaurs in place of ganon, then we might be able to talk. I don't even come here for the fangames anymore; I just like being here. Zfgc has some pretty cool people on it and its just fun to well... post here. Its probably the best forum I've ever been on, honestly.
I have been working on my game(Not a fangame of any kind) and I think its what the community of Zfgc really needs, something that this, maybe even any other forum has never seen before. I can't say anything, but it'll be different. I think if we have more different games, it will encourage others to do the same; Think outside of the box.
You could check out my completed Zelda fan game, Hall of the Dead.
It's more of a Mario plot than it is a Zelda one...even has a Mario 64 type star system for progressing.
/plug
But yeah..maybe just more advertising. (Didn't read the whole topic)
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What im wondering is how we could market zfgc... what are the pros of coming to zfgc and becoming an active member?
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You could check out my completed Zelda fan game, Hall of the Dead.
It's more of a Mario plot than it is a Zelda one...even has a Mario 64 type star system for progressing.
/plug
But yeah..maybe just more advertising. (Didn't read the whole topic)
Hmm... any talking dinosaurs? How about gunshot weilding llama samurais? Oh no, wait is Link a Gunshot weilding samurai? Or at least a Llama? Like in the Emperors New Groove when the main dude turned into a llama except he had no samurainess. You should totally put samurai llamas in there. Better yet, Samurai Pizza Llamas! They could be enemies, people who help Link or the npcs that teach Link how to fight. And they could have robot type armor and have names based off of popular types of cheese. *If anyone can guess my reference, cookies to you*
Edit: Just checked it out. Based on the screen shots, I think I can assume there are no llamas of any type in there what so ever. Shame, shame, shame!
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I totally agree with you FISSURE,
Since OoT2D is .. (who knows?) ZFGC kind of lost his title.
I think there are too less good Zelda fan games made, the half of all topics are all gone into the graveyard. For example: Hyrule_boy's OoTGB stopped, Tompel's CoG is on hold, bla bla bla. There are only 1 "completed" Zelda fan games (impfletcher lol). Like FISSURE said, if we go to a site and tell them about ZFGC. We aren't able to talk about our "Fan games", we actually got "Mini-Games made by fans".
I still think the best choice for making the place "ZFGC" more populair, by choosing our best programmers, spriters, writers, mappers etc. To work on 1 big project like OoT2D which gave us a good name in the past (like ZFGC's project what we got now (I don't think there is process in it)). And make one big "(Zelda) FAN game" since nobody completed a fangame (except impfletcher lol again), we still got great talented game creators here :)
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AoDC's fangame attracted some people. I think when he gets a really good demo up thats something we can market...
People like the game and the project lol... he has like 200+ pages.
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NO! No no no no! No! We can NOT have our best programmers, spriters, writers and other best people working on a fangame! Why make a fangame with all that talent when you could make an original game? An original game opens many more doors to stuff like a different story, better characters, better "levels" and just better everything.
I know its called Zfgc, but we can't have our best people working on a fangame. We need an original game that will set Zfgc apart and maybe encourage others to make something different to.
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What im wondering is how we could market zfgc... what are the pros of coming to zfgc and becoming an active member?
No one has answered my question. I'm still not sure what to advertise with.
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No one has answered my question. I'm still not sure what to advertise with.
Well... Theres a lot of cool people here. Its just fun here I guess.
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"Its a really fun place to post at, and theres really cool people"
lol... I need something zelda related to advertise with. We can't really advertise OoT2D... so, could we advertise OoL?
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I could make my game a Zfgc exclusive... but now no one cares because its secret.[/Hype]
Maybe if we had more original games we could attract more people like I've been saying the past 2 posts.
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We can't really advertise OoL, it's going to be a (dead) finished project to AoDC.
He said he'll be releasing the codes so people can do whatever they want with them.
*I'm happy to do artworks for potential games in this forum after I finish school, as long as it has depth and quality 8)
Maybe pretty artworks with awesome games (created by the likes of you guys on ZFGC) can attract more fans and game developers to ZFGC. =/
But what I honestly want from ZFGC is more ongoing games/fangames- and events like Character Competition.
It's good to see an active, lively forum with people dedicated to their work =/
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People think so many bad things about fan games "oh you have limits". Yeah, but that doesnt limit your creativity. if you have limits, that only means you have to use your brain to figure out how the hell point a reaches point b and still makes sense. original games are good too, but that doesnt mean they're not better then fan games. just the programming experience from making a fan game makes it all worth it.
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People think so many bad things about fan games "oh you have limits". Yeah, but that doesnt limit your creativity. if you have limits, that only means you have to use your brain to figure out how the hell point a reaches point b and still makes sense. original games are good too, but that doesnt mean they're not better then fan games. just the programming experience from making a fan game makes it all worth it.
I agree, fan games are only as limited as their creator. My Super Mario World 3 Game will prove that theory!
Wait for demp 0.1.1 and see!
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if your going to advertise why not just put fan games on some zelda sites. a few I know have a fan game section with about 3 games. in one case 2 of them are abandoned demos.
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I know that advertising is a good thing, but honestly, if we don't have !@#$% to show and we aren't even close to the best we can be, then is it even worth it? And all of you are thinking too grandly or too extravagantly, in my opinion. Here are some things that we should do that are easy and targeted so that they are more effective, practical, and smart:
- For custom sprites that are "show worthy", we should make a ZFGC tagging system that advertises and links back to here in the images themselves. For example, I see on Spriter's Resource several sprites that are from users here, but almost all of them have no reference to here. To bring in members and spriters, add my proposed tags.
- Put an image in your signature on other places you go to that is a clickable image link to here. Not only is it easy to do, but it is also helpful and reaches a bigger audience.
- cuff's idea (didn't see if it belonged to others) is also fine. It targets fans of Zelda and advertises good games. However, it should most likely be left to the people making the games to do it.
- Finally, if you do advertise somewhere, don't break the rules to do it. Doing so only makes us look bad because of your association to us.
Also, any ideas beyond advertising. If you posted one and I didn't see it, post in again anyway.
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I agree, fan games are only as limited as their creator. My Super Mario World 3 Game will prove that theory!
Wait for demp 0.1.1 and see!
The only problem is we don't have that many really creative fangame makers... >_>
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Seriously, if you guys and girls want something and can get enough support for it, then I will probably implement it. If you don't want anything though, then I will ban those people who complain that the staff doesn't do enough for you. I mean, I am listening, what the hell do you want?
Here, I will even ask the questions for you and give suggestions for you again:
- Goron Theme?
- Ideas and Fan Fiction subforums?
- Better and more fairer rules (give examples if you think so)?
- More Events (again examples please?)
- People you think could make a good staff member (and honestly, don't inflate yourselves)?
- Staff member evaluations?
- Clans (I know there was a topic about it, but give a way that they will mean something, like groups based in game development that to be in, you have to be working in those areas in particular, and then those groups would have hidden boards where they could talk, you like that, well say so if you !@#$% do)
- ZFGC Sprite Tagging System?
- Member of the Month (I have everything set up, really, I just don't know if you want it or not)?
If you want something, then !@#$% ask. I am going out of my way here and doing more than any admin has or will. Remember what I did with the ranking system? I listened and got it done quickly and well. Just say what you want; so long as it is not spam. Well, I was toiling around with a lite variety of it, such as a topic that I will make in forum games and lock at specific times or something.
ASK ASK ASK, what more do you damn well want? You want me to put your fangame that you are working on in the news box or something? Ask.
What the hell is wrong with you, why haven't you done anything yet? Well, if it is because of the Character Contest, then that is fine, but come on. I am using all of the Character Contest time to basically do Possum's and my own job, and I have a lot of free time, but college is coming up. I will be fine in that regard, I have a lot of downtime there too, and I rarely sleep during a school year.
Ask, suggest, and post now.
Oh, and you know how I said Goron theme? Well, I have the buttons all done for that even, so I did the !@#$% work for you. Want to see them? Click on a current button in any theme and "view image". Then change the theme name to "goron". Do it, you can. Uh, or don't if you don't care.
Just do something already so I can shut up now.
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We can't really advertise OoL, it's going to be a (dead) finished project to AoDC.
He said he'll be releasing the codes so people can do whatever they want with them.
*I'm happy to do artworks for potential games in this forum after I finish school, as long as it has depth and quality 8)
Maybe pretty artworks with awesome games (created by the likes of you guys on ZFGC) can attract more fans and game developers to ZFGC. =/
But what I honestly want from ZFGC is more ongoing games/fangames- and events like Character Competition.
It's good to see an active, lively forum with people dedicated to their work =/
Join us now and share the software... :D
err... anyway, the sprite tagging system sounds like a very good idea, maybe it could also apply to games, sfx, etc.
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Hmm, I think that idea sounds good too. If people would put in their games a little credit back to ZFGC, then it would be a good and easy thing to do. Although no one could force you, it would still help and would be appreciated greatly. Any game that would do this would be put in the news box, and anything that pays homage back to here will be on a pedestal.
Keep ideas coming.
Here's one. Putting the most active and presumably the best game topics stickied so that they are easier to find. If you want yours to be there, then you could work harder or try to convince the staff that your game is worth it. Separating this way would make games easier to navigate and who knows. It's just an idea. I am still listening.
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Hmm, I think that idea sounds good too. If people would put in their games a little credit back to ZFGC, then it would be a good and easy thing to do. Although no one could force you, it would still help and would be appreciated greatly. Any game that would do this would be put in the news box, and anything that pays homage back to here will be on a pedestal.
Keep ideas coming.
Perhaps we could make ZFGC more than a forum. Web 3.0...
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Well, the website is still chugging in development, which sucks balls honestly, but hell, it is kind of out of my jurisdiction. However, if you think that you can honestly help the site, talk to Windy or the person working on it, I forgot who right now, and see. If you want a banner for the site a certain way, think you have a good layout for it, etc. then put it up on the forum and get opinions. Just try and stuff. I will try for you.
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Like I said, it is out of my jurisdiction whether or not you can be admitted to help directly on that, but talk to Windy; he's probably pissed that people will be bugging him though. However, I will consider adding you to the ZFGC Staff because that is in my power and I know you have experience in regards to other forums and sites and stuff.
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Yeah, I know this is double posting, but it is fine for me because I am using it to keep the synergy and it is kind of an update.
What are your thoughts solely on the Ideas and Fan Fiction subforums coming back?
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IMO, they were not used that often, and there was hardely any good content, I think the forum sections are good as they are.
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Yeah, I know this is double posting, but it is fine for me because I am using it to keep the synergy and it is kind of an update.
What are your thoughts solely on the Ideas and Fan Fiction subforums coming back?
Ideas could be good, but I wasn't here long enough to know what the board was like.
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http://www.s4.invisionfree.com/ocarina
My idea was along those lines, but instead of them being separate from the Zelda/Indie Project Development boards, they would be child boards under them. It seemed to work well then, and that is what I want to see a return to.
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http://www.s4.invisionfree.com/ocarina
My idea was along those lines, but instead of them being separate from the Zelda/Indie Project Development boards, they would be child boards under them. It seemed to work well then, and that is what I want to see a return to.
That sounds like a good idea.
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The last thing I saw in terms of website development was looking pretty good. Windy was moving along faster with it than anyone else had.
The original 'idea' was too far fetched and too hard to archive for such a small website. Its something someone could sit down and code fairly easy with time set aside to do it that is. I haven't spoken to Windy for almost two weeks I'd say. Hard to say where we are at that level.
There are a lot of places I've wanted to take ZFGC and a lot of places I've wanted to go with it, but most of the time the ideas are unpopular, even though they're really nothing in the means/ways of Project-X people still seem to think focusing this website purely on Zelda is the best thing we can do, when realistically there are very few fan games even in motion.
As I see it now ZFGC is just a community with a few projects that are turning out to be pretty good, other than that, we troll/flame each other because thats all we have left. I can't really control that, since no one has favored many of my ideas over the past few months. ^.^ Another reason I've down played my role considerably.
I think 4sword has given you guys a good opportunity to share your ideas/thoughts with everyone, you should take it and go with it.
PS: I'm still working on the dark blue theme. Just been slow with work.
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- Goron Theme? - Yes, and dark blue. D:
- Ideas and Fan Fiction subforums? - Are the other "Fan" subforums populated? Not really, I'd hate to see a bare area. I think some form of a 'creativity' area is more suitable. . DSR had one It did well there if I remember right.
- Better and more fairer rules (give examples if you think so)? The rules constantly need revamped, but when revamping them we need to ensure 1) the moderators follow them 2) the users follow them 3) when rules are broken they're acted upon not !@#$% around.
- More Events (again examples please?) - More events would better tie the community together. Thus far I feel the events 'team' has been a 100% failure. Part of that is surely on me, yes, but thats my thoughts on it.
- People you think could make a good staff member (and honestly, don't inflate yourselves)? - ME D: Kirby would be great if he was around more. :(
- Staff member evaluations? - I think the ability for the users to evaluate/report staffers would be good.
- Clans - Moot on this idea.
- ZFGC Sprite Tagging System? - Not sure what that is.
- Member of the Month - Member of the month would be good, as would Project of the month. or.. idea of the month or something to highlight creativity of our user base.
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On that note, woot..
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The last thing I saw in terms of website development was looking pretty good. Windy was moving along faster with it than anyone else had.
The original 'idea' was too far fetched and too hard to archive for such a small website. Its something someone could sit down and code fairly easy with time set aside to do it that is. I haven't spoken to Windy for almost two weeks I'd say. Hard to say where we are at that level.
There are a lot of places I've wanted to take ZFGC and a lot of places I've wanted to go with it, but most of the time the ideas are unpopular, even though they're really nothing in the means/ways of Project-X people still seem to think focusing this website purely on Zelda is the best thing we can do, when realistically there are very few fan games even in motion.
As I see it now ZFGC is just a community with a few projects that are turning out to be pretty good, other than that, we troll/flame each other because thats all we have left. I can't really control that, since no one has favored many of my ideas over the past few months. ^.^ Another reason I've down played my role considerably.
I think 4sword has given you guys a good opportunity to share your ideas/thoughts with everyone, you should take it and go with it.
PS: I'm still working on the dark blue theme. Just been slow with work.
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- Goron Theme? - Yes, and dark blue. D:
- Ideas and Fan Fiction subforums? - Are the other "Fan" subforums populated? Not really, I'd hate to see a bare area. I think some form of a 'creativity' area is more suitable. . DSR had one It did well there if I remember right.
- Better and more fairer rules (give examples if you think so)? The rules constantly need revamped, but when revamping them we need to ensure 1) the moderators follow them 2) the users follow them 3) when rules are broken they're acted upon not !@#$% around.
- More Events (again examples please?) - More events would better tie the community together. Thus far I feel the events 'team' has been a 100% failure. Part of that is surely on me, yes, but thats my thoughts on it.
- People you think could make a good staff member (and honestly, don't inflate yourselves)? - ME D: Kirby would be great if he was around more. :(
- Staff member evaluations? - I think the ability for the users to evaluate/report staffers would be good.
- Clans - Moot on this idea.
- ZFGC Sprite Tagging System? - Not sure what that is.
- Member of the Month - Member of the month would be good, as would Project of the month. or.. idea of the month or something to highlight creativity of our user base.
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On that note, woot..
Maybe it's time that you did away with the Zelda theme. Many users here aren't here for fangames (myself included), and those who used to be moved on to bigger things. Maybe you should make it into an indie development site, but still with a similar flavor to ZFGC.
For ideas for the site, you should look at examples like Digg, especially for things like the tagging system.
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Thats what i mean in not a 'project-x' sense.. Is just focusing on indie development, not limiting us to just that.. but indie means anything... fan based even.. we can still keep the name too.
There are a lot of simple ways to do things.. we just have to have user base support before we do them. There was little support for GA, but we were pig-headed and wanted our user base to stay the same, that was a massive failure.. This in itself would just be a refocus.
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I'm happy how the forum is... but we do need to move forward in one way or another. I saw we just develop the "site" part of zfg and pretty much leave the forum how it is. For the development of the actualy site I think we could do some pretty awesome things.
Pages for viewing:
ZFGC's Custom Sprites (by members): Show different sprite sheets and or animations by members of zfgc (with there permission of course)
Recommended Zelda Projects: Having reviews, screenshots, download mirrors, etc.
Recommended Indie Projects: Same as above.
Have different things like that? I dunno, I could help out with the whole site part of it. I doubt anyone here would trust me, but if you every did you know who can help. I have hours of free time... as you can tell I spend it posting here like 100+ times a day...
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I'm happy how the forum is... but we do need to move forward in one way or another. I saw we just develop the "site" part of zfg and pretty much leave the forum how it is. For the development of the actualy site I think we could do some pretty awesome things.
Pages for viewing:
ZFGC's Custom Sprites (by members): Show different sprite sheets and or animations by members of zfgc (with there permission of course)
Recommended Zelda Projects: Having reviews, screenshots, download mirrors, etc.
Recommended Indie Projects: Same as above.
Have different things like that? I dunno, I could help out with the whole site part of it. I doubt anyone here would trust me, but if you every did you know who can help. I have hours of free time... as you can tell I spend it posting here like 100+ times a day...
Thats basically what the site consisted of, last time i saw it.
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I'm happy how the forum is... but we do need to move forward in one way or another. I saw we just develop the "site" part of zfg and pretty much leave the forum how it is. For the development of the actualy site I think we could do some pretty awesome things.
Pages for viewing:
ZFGC's Custom Sprites (by members): Show different sprite sheets and or animations by members of zfgc (with there permission of course)
Recommended Zelda Projects: Having reviews, screenshots, download mirrors, etc.
Recommended Indie Projects: Same as above.
Have different things like that? I dunno, I could help out with the whole site part of it. I doubt anyone here would trust me, but if you every did you know who can help. I have hours of free time... as you can tell I spend it posting here like 100+ times a day...
Thats basically what the site consisted of, last time i saw it.
So only staff can see the "site" part of zfgc? Normal members can only see the forum right? I'm so confused >_<
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My suggestion: make the site name 'ZFGC', make 'ZFGC' stand for nothing, and make 'ZFGC' a plain old nerd hangout forum
lets face it: not many people outside of those here are interested in making Zelda fan games anymore and 2D fan games are a dying breed :/
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My suggestion: make the site name 'ZFGC', make 'ZFGC' stand for nothing, and make 'ZFGC' a plain old nerd hangout forum
lets face it: not many people outside of those here are interested in making Zelda fan games anymore and 2D fan games are a dying breed :/
I agree with Kirby partially, but the new ZFGC should be a combination of indie games and nerd hangout.
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IMO it should be a free content forum-indie games included.
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IMO it should be a free content forum-indie games included.
With a leaning towards Free Sofware. XD
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free content as in free whatever you post :P
i.e. a video games board [board as in the place where you post the topics, not the whole forum :p - the term gets misused often], a gadget board, mobile device board, a development board, server administration boards, whatever people talk about these days. free software will always find its home at repositories like sourceforge--stuff like that should stay where it belongs. but a free nerd discussion forum would be nice.
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Better idea! Let's just remove "General Discussion" and watch most of the members disappear! :D
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Better idea! Let's just remove "General Discussion" and watch most of the members disappear! :D
Was that intended as sarcasm to my reply? I'm not saying remove general discussion, i'm just saying pull the plug on Zelda Fan Games :P Make the whole forum general discussion!
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Better idea! Let's just remove "General Discussion" and watch most of the members disappear! :D
I'm not saying remove general discussion
I am! :D
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I think focusing on indie/general game development would be better. Things are just getting too stale right now.. I've had this opinion/thought since I took ZFGC over last sept. :p
Yet here we are!
*shrugs*
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I'd like to suggest two things:
1-We could make a second community project (an indie one), and change ZFGC's name to "[Name of the project] Central" or "[Name of the project] Forums". Doesn't matter if 40% of the projects or something like that are zelda fangames.
2-(This may be sort of pointless, but anyway...) Split ZFGC in two different sites: "General Discussion" and "Projects and Resources". Just because there are too many people who don't read the Projects and Resources topics.
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free content as in free whatever you post :P
i.e. a video games board [board as in the place where you post the topics, not the whole forum :p - the term gets misused often], a gadget board, mobile device board, a development board, server administration boards, whatever people talk about these days. free software will always find its home at repositories like sourceforge--stuff like that should stay where it belongs. but a free nerd discussion forum would be nice.
I meant Free Software indie games/nerd discussion.
I think focusing on indie/general game development would be better. Things are just getting too stale right now.. I've had this opinion/thought since I took ZFGC over last sept. :p
Yet here we are!
*shrugs*
I agree.
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I don't think making any of these sorts of changes would be worth it. Seems like an attempt at a "quick fix" to me, we're still going to be the same on the inside.
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free content as in free whatever you post :P
i.e. a video games board [board as in the place where you post the topics, not the whole forum :p - the term gets misused often], a gadget board, mobile device board, a development board, server administration boards, whatever people talk about these days. free software will always find its home at repositories like sourceforge--stuff like that should stay where it belongs. but a free nerd discussion forum would be nice.
I meant Free Software indie games/nerd discussion.
I think focusing on indie/general game development would be better. Things are just getting too stale right now.. I've had this opinion/thought since I took ZFGC over last sept. :p
Yet here we are!
*shrugs*
I agree.
Agree,
But really, we don't want anything from ZFGC, we should think more what ZFGC has given us and how to improve it =).
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What needs to be fixed besides the lack of interest in Zelda fan games outside of this community? It would be cool if ZFGC grew and picked up more active members :P
Its not really a quick fix, its an opportunity. An opportunity to make ZFGC appeal to a bigger audience.
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I don't even like zelda... I don't even own a zelda game. I've never even played one. Why the hell did I come here >_<
FOR THE COMMUNITY.
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I don't even like zelda... I don't even own a zelda game. I've never even played one. Why the hell did I come here >_<
FOR THE COMMUNITY.
You've never played a Zelda game? o_O ... I wonder why you registered here.
I discovered this site because of OoT2D, but I only registered because there were other programmers here (ZFGC was the first forum I joined, lol). But I only remained here because of the community, too, otherwise I'd have quit and joined an "FGC" or whatever.
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Well, I lied. I played Oracle of Seasons a couple of times and I sucked.
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I know this is a bit of a longshot (no OoT reference intended), but maybe do a half-join with another zelda website?
There are loads of Zelda websites, Zeld aWorld, Zelda Universe, Legends and Adventures... Im sure lots of the people who post fan art and fan fic on there would be intreseted in ZFGC and it might inspire some people to try and make their own games.
I used to just visit Legends and Adventures and read the Fan Fic, then I haerd about OoT2d somewhere, and by then had fallen in love with the world of Hyrule.
But seeing as they're seperate websites I see how this could be impossible.
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I know this is a bit of a longshot (no OoT reference intended), but maybe do a half-join with another zelda website?
There are loads of Zelda websites, Zeld aWorld, Zelda Universe, Legends and Adventures... Im sure lots of the people who post fan art and fan fic on there would be intreseted in ZFGC and it might inspire some people to try and make their own games.
I used to just visit Legends and Adventures and read the Fan Fic, then I haerd about OoT2d somewhere, and by then had fallen in love with the world of Hyrule.
But seeing as they're seperate websites I see how this could be impossible.
Pre-me taking over, I suggested doing this with my zelda website 'tloza'. Kirby liked the idea, no one else did.
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well we dont have to merge completley.
Just maybe let the website post some of the finished games (wit hthe makers permission) and let them advertise here?