[SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D FSA

Zaeranos

Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D

« Reply #500 on: October 16, 2010, 05:59:17 am »

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I am very interested in how you do the drawing of sprites then, because the sprites are made out of components. Do you use GM's sprite_index, image_index and image_speed variables (although I doubt that) or do you defined your own algorithm for timing frames. What do you do when the head is looping at a different rate then the body?

For an example of what I am talking about look at this discussion: http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=36898.0

I found out that GM's image_speed variable can only be set once per object per cycle. Thus when drawing multiple sprites per object the value last set for image_speed will be used for all the sprites. I found this out when trying to add water ripples for shallow water. A real pain in the ass.

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Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D

« Reply #501 on: October 16, 2010, 06:38:34 am »

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I haven't even delved into that yet. My easiest solution was to not go against the engine, and use an invisible dummy sprite to still use the object constants. Then telling it what I need drawn based on the state, and on that image index. There would be scripts that would explain how to draw that state. (The details created by the sprite builder tool)

Method (Mind you this hasn't been tested, but I imagine it would work):

- Object state has changed.
- Where drawing of state happens, a script for that state animation is called.
- Check if the needed dummy sprite is being used.
- If not, a blank dummy sprite is called based on the number of sub-images needed.
- Draw the sub-image parts using the Sprite Builder information, and object constants.

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Brutus Kirby Master	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #502 on: October 16, 2010, 10:58:11 pm »
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Cypras	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #503 on: October 16, 2010, 10:59:12 pm »
Team Dekunutz Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 292	Quote from: Brutus on October 16, 2010, 10:58:11 pm How many people are on the team for this project? Team Dekunutz Xfixium Cypras Ethelon TomPel Mamoruanime DJvenom noseblunt3 SinkinDevil darklink45 dotyue Jeod Logged

Brutus Kirby Master	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #504 on: October 16, 2010, 11:01:15 pm »
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Zaeranos	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #505 on: October 17, 2010, 07:06:25 am »
Reputation: +9/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 3725	I know I sound greedy, but damn I would love to take a look at the source code of your sprite builder, Gmare and OOT2D. I think I would be able to learn a lot from it. It seems you have a good grasp of how GM works. Logged

Mamoruanime @Mamoruanime	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #506 on: October 17, 2010, 07:07:51 am »
^Not actually me. Reputation: +9/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 9786	Eeeeetttss confusing D: It's bad enough I don't know C#, but the additional pyx stuff confuses me Logged

Xfixium

Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D

« Reply #507 on: October 17, 2010, 09:07:01 am »

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I have no problem releasing source for the sprite builder. Although I have nothing commented out. (Mainly because I was rushing to get it done) The source for OOT2D will be released when demos are released. That's when I'd feel the most comfortable releasing it anyways. GMare sadly was so close to being done, but it is a complete mess. (Just ask the dev team) I was working on an OpenGL version and a DirectX version, and both are pretty weird. I know what is wrong with it, but cannot find the latest source of it. If I find it, I'll share.

Mammy, for what your interested in, I'd focus on the panel controls within the sprite builder project. The main thing is the UpdateBackbuffer() method, and overriding the OnPaint events. There's where all the magic happens. The PyxPanel just adds a border to the control in the current visual style. PyxTools are just controls I made awhile back that make my life easier. So you can ignore them completely.

I have completed the sprite builder tool. I'm going to submit it as a completed project.

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Mamoruanime @Mamoruanime	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #508 on: October 17, 2010, 09:09:23 am »
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Xfixium

Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D

« Reply #509 on: October 17, 2010, 08:55:24 pm »

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Update:

- Sprite Builder complete.
- Dotyue designed some more Deku Tree designs.
- The Kokiri house interior tileset is almost complete.
- Deku tree inside tileset complete.
- Cypras is working on the Deku Scrub enemy.
- Queen Ghoma battle behaviors being discussed.
- Ethelon is going to designing more side view rooms for various points in the game.
- DarkLink45 added more to the Deku Scrub animations.

** screens are samples.

kokiri_inside_sample_01.png (37.42 kB, 336x240 - viewed 516 times.)

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Kleaver	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #510 on: October 18, 2010, 06:32:14 pm »
Reputation: +4/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 4747	It's a nice blend between aLttP style and OoT. I like that. Kind of a waste to try and copy everything exactly as it looks in the original game. This way you can get a bit more creative. Logged

pxl_moon (dotyue) Team Dekunutz	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #511 on: October 18, 2010, 08:42:46 pm »
.越// Reputation: +5/-1 Offline Gender: Posts: 2280	Quote from: Kleaver on October 18, 2010, 06:32:14 pm It's a nice blend between aLttP style and OoT. I like that. Kind of a waste to try and copy everything exactly as it looks in the original game. This way you can get a bit more creative. We don't just try to copy everything exactly 1:1 from 3D to 2D, please note that all screenshots and mockups are WIP... There are already some designs to make it more entertaining in 2D than it would be as a 1:1 conversion Logged
.越// Reputation: +5/-1 Offline Gender: Posts: 2280	~~Resources~~ ~Minish Cap Style~ Minish Cap Beta:Firerod Icon, Majoras Mask:ChuChu, Ocarina of Time:Gossip Stone, Oracle Series:Link plays the "Herpes of Ages", Impa, Wand Maker: HUD ~GB-Zelda Style~ Ocarina of Time: Deku Caca ~Other~ Paper Mario Style Zelda&Link, Tetra Trackers HUD-Cleanups

Cypras	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #512 on: October 18, 2010, 08:49:49 pm »
Team Dekunutz Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 292	Quote from: dotyue on October 18, 2010, 08:42:46 pm Quote from: Kleaver on October 18, 2010, 06:32:14 pm It's a nice blend between aLttP style and OoT. I like that. Kind of a waste to try and copy everything exactly as it looks in the original game. This way you can get a bit more creative. We don't just try to copy everything exactly 1:1 from 3D to 2D, please note that all screenshots and mockups are WIP... There are already some designs to make it more entertaining in 2D than it would be as a 1:1 conversion Dotyue, I think Kleaver was complementing the way we are doing it, not saying it's a waste of time. Though Dotyue is right in saying that some designs will make this game greater in 2D than a straight conversion. « Last Edit: October 18, 2010, 08:55:11 pm by Cypras » Logged

pxl_moon (dotyue) Team Dekunutz	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #513 on: October 18, 2010, 08:54:50 pm »
.越// Reputation: +5/-1 Offline Gender: Posts: 2280	Quote from: Cypras on October 18, 2010, 08:49:49 pm Quote from: dotyue on October 18, 2010, 08:42:46 pm Quote from: Kleaver on October 18, 2010, 06:32:14 pm It's a nice blend between aLttP style and OoT. I like that. Kind of a waste to try and copy everything exactly as it looks in the original game. This way you can get a bit more creative. We don't just try to copy everything exactly 1:1 from 3D to 2D, please note that all screenshots and mockups are WIP... There are already some designs to make it more entertaining in 2D than it would be as a 1:1 conversion Dotyue, I think Kleaver was complementing the way we are doing it, not saying it's a waste of time. oh you're right ^^ now when i read it... its just about the style and not about the game itself xD well, so i've done some minor spoilers... sorry for that =P Logged
.越// Reputation: +5/-1 Offline Gender: Posts: 2280	~~Resources~~ ~Minish Cap Style~ Minish Cap Beta:Firerod Icon, Majoras Mask:ChuChu, Ocarina of Time:Gossip Stone, Oracle Series:Link plays the "Herpes of Ages", Impa, Wand Maker: HUD ~GB-Zelda Style~ Ocarina of Time: Deku Caca ~Other~ Paper Mario Style Zelda&Link, Tetra Trackers HUD-Cleanups

Mamoruanime @Mamoruanime	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #514 on: October 20, 2010, 01:30:02 am »
^Not actually me. Reputation: +9/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 9786	New computer/New server this week; I'm going to pump out Dodongo's Cavern (been itching to do it ). I know it's a little ways away before it's implemented, but if there's anything uniquely needed resource wise for that dungeon lemme know. (IE: do you want new tiles for it, or are you sticking with the cave tiles, etc) Logged

Xfixium	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #515 on: October 20, 2010, 01:52:04 am »
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« Reply #516 on: October 20, 2010, 01:57:08 am »

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Quote from: Xfixium on October 20, 2010, 01:52:04 am

Sweet. Use the Cave tiles for a place holder. I'm sure there will be parts when we will use that tile set in there anyways.

I was going to expand the tileset to fill in some more of the gaps and make it more stylish. Some things will need to be custom anyway; like the dodongo head and such. I also have a few ideas on how to improvise on the more 3d areas of that dungeon as well ;p

« Last Edit: October 20, 2010, 02:12:00 am by Mamoruアニメ »

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Kren	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #517 on: October 20, 2010, 10:44:11 pm »
Reputation: +2/-1 Offline Gender: Posts: 2376	the second screen contains a tiling error on the right tile next to the door instead of being in ''\" it is in just "I" I guess you already fixed that :p Logged

Xfixium	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #518 on: October 20, 2010, 10:49:22 pm »
Reputation: +9/-0 Offline Posts: 728	I noticed that last night when I was looking at it. It's only a sample. Just messing with the tile set, and we won't be using it. Logged

Zaeranos	Re: [SCREENS]Ocarina Of Time 2D « Reply #519 on: October 21, 2010, 04:45:03 pm »
Reputation: +9/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 3725	Quote from: Xfixium on October 20, 2010, 10:49:22 pm ... and we won't be using it. You mean the map right and not the tileset. Logged

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