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Story Pass: Fifth Chapter

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Kami:
Though I recall the beast that I ended up making, was more of a break everything in it's path, they possibly summoned it, but since it doesn't obey anybody it just went off to do it's thing, and the sheikah happen to be close by so it could of unintentionally did what it was supposed to and go terrorise the sheikah or a while, but ends up failing since they sealed it away in their temple and such, so they wouldn't call it a victory I guess. Which would show that the gerudo initiated the conflict, or started it back up. And at this point since it's been so long most don't even remember why they are fighting each other aside for land, even though on the sheikah's end it was originally, and since nobody except the really old elders know the full story, it's more so turned into
a kinda land war that the sheikah wanted to avoid.

And my thoughts on the other mentioned things is that I think Ganon is just letting his people do whatever, since I think that they wouldn't know that ganon was the one who ended up throwing him in the desert to fend for himself and when he grew able went after ganon to hyrule's castle city.

and even though the sheikah are allies with hylians, due to maybe some political tensions, or that hylians find themselves more important than the 'poor' desert dwelling sheikah. So that could possibly prevent the hylians from even listening to pleas for help and such with the hylians egos which could have been started by ganon himself to hinder the sheikah who know the truth.

and I went and did a look back on Abigail since it says something along the lines of her opening up the proving grounds for link to earn the fire and ice arrows to unseal the temple, I agree that it should be used to break the weakened seal for the temple. and when link is about to open up the temple he is ambushed by a group of remaining sheikah but then the door opens and they flee in different directions since all anybody remembers about the temple, is that opening it is deadly bad luck for everyone around it.

That's about all I can think of at the moment.

Max.:

--- Quote --- This one [Gerudo are led by Abigail alone] currently fits the best with current character designs.  I would imagine Abigail to be in a similar position of power as Nabooru.  This would make her second in command, with her only superior being the king.  Considering the absence of the king, this would make her first in command.
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Cool, this fits with what I proposed in Farin's NPC topic, and I kinda liked that backstory :p  So the Gerudo cast Farin out when he was younger, due to Ganon framing him for a crime. They've been led by female warlords ever since.

This also gives us the opportunity to throw in some confusion if Link meets a Gerudo who says they have no king, because Ganon is supposed to be representing them. The player might think, hmm, that's suspicious. I think it might work out well if Ganon doesn't directly tell Link to go find the Gerudo, because he does risk them revealing that he isn't the king if Link does see them. Maybe Link should find them on his own.



--- Quote --- We never actually established this, unfortunately.  We've always said there is just a rivalry between them.  Maybe the beast sealed in the temple has a connection to the Gerudo?  Possibly summoned/created by them to attack the Sheikah in hopes of claiming their land?
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This is actually good news, I was kind of getting a headache trying to figure out what they were fighting over and how that would all work out. What about this: The shiekah's mission, given to them ages ago, was to enforce the Gerudo's exile. So that's why the Gerudo dislike them, and also why they stay out of things in Hyrule, they're busy in death valley, protecting the only passage into the desert.

Or there could be something else. Maybe the Hylians don't like them because they're poor, and they're ignored with the rest of the races of Hyrule, as Kami suggested. The shiekah resent this, but they're so loyal to the royal family that they won't leave death valley.

Or something else. I feel like maybe we can adapt whatever their conflict is to whatever gameplay problem / quest we're gonna have Link do.



--- Quote from: Kami --- and then well since they can't do anything against link being the village elders link kinda takes the scroll and goes and uses it to break the seal of the temple and go inside.
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Personally, I don't like the idea of having the shiekah refuse to do anything to Link. I picture them as very willing to take matters into their own hands to protect their temple, their duty, and the triforce. Especially if, as we discussed a while ago, we have shiekah do so much as pursue Link to his final reunion with Ganon... although I guess we didn't finalize that, I just remember discussing it :p

Anyway, point being, I think the shiekah should kick ass.

MG-Zero:

--- Quote ---This is actually good news, I was kind of getting a headache trying to figure out what they were fighting over and how that would all work out. What about this: The shiekah's mission, given to them ages ago, was to enforce the Gerudo's exile. So that's why the Gerudo dislike them, and also why they stay out of things in Hyrule, they're busy in death valley, protecting the only passage into the desert.
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Ok, this is pretty !@#$% cool.  The Sheikah are at a constant issue of how to get rid of the Gerudo after the war and the Gerudo are at a constant issue of how to get rid of the Sheikah to protect themselves.  At this point, it's gone beyond that and is now also to gain control of the entire desert. 

Maybe the arrival of Link in the desert is in itself the Sheikah's conflict (or builds on their conflict with the Gerudo).  They know damn well what Link is up to, so maybe they could turn on him upon meeting with them.  Link would have to escape into the desert to avoid them, maybe with some subtle help from the Hero?

Max.:
Good point, the Shiekah don't really need a problem, because Link isn't gonna help them- they're antagonists right now. They seem to be succeeding in their task of keeping the Gerudo out of Hyrule anyway.

The Gerudo need some problem that Link can immediately solve for them. What would be cool is if Link helps them, and then it isn't all sunshine and puppies like when he helps the Zora or Gorons. Maybe the Gerudo, even though they're downtrodden and remind Link of his poor people back home, aren't nice.

Perhaps the Gerudo have a problem, and by solving it for them, Link causes a young Shiekah boy to be captured. Feeling really bad about this, Link helps him escape (some Gerudo could say that this reminds them of when the last King escaped, referencing Farin). Through this helping, then going back, it cements the sentiment of "wait, who should we trust?", and Link can acquire the fire and ice arrows as he escapes.

For that one to work, Link would have to encounter the Shiekah first, and then be turned away by them, so he initially thinks they're bad guys and wants to help the oppressed Gerudo.

Then he'd go to the Gerudo town, and meet Abigail, who'd be nice to him and work up sympathy just before they're "attacked". A masked Shiekah apparently stole some important maps or something and disarmed three guards before running into the desert.

Link, trying to help, chases the Shiekah and defeats him, only to find that it's just a kid. The kid explains: "these are maps of my city's infrastructure, the Gerudo are planning to destroy a tunnel the underground river goes through, which will divert the Shiekah water supply and we'll all die". But before Link can do anything, the Gerudo show up and capture the kid. Abigail takes his weapon, the fire and ice arrows, and the Gerudo, Shiekah hostage in tow, return to their city.

Link now has a choice- the Shiekah seem bad, oppressing the Gerudo and trapping them in the desert. But the Gerudo plan to execute a kid who was trying to save his people. Link decides to save the kid. He goes back to the Gerudo city, and finds the fire and ice arrows, and steals them.

The Gerudo have the kid tied to a pole in the center of a courtyard. As Link arrives on the second level, looking down into the courtyard, they light a fire to burn the kid at the stake. However, Link can freeze the flames with the ice arrows. The Gerudo are confused, and Link can go around and shoot the ropes with the fire arrows, allowing the kid to escape. The Gerudo are now furious, Abigail especially, who drops her guise of being sweet to reveal her bloodthirsty, vengeful nature. She screams about how this is just like the king, escaping fate! the shiekah kid runs past Link, telling him to meet him at the place where the Gerudo are planning to divert the underground river.

Link goes to meet the kid there, and they stop the Gerudo. The kid thanks Link, and uses a secret entrance to get into the tunnels that lead to the Shiekah city. Link now can use these tunnels himself to sneak into the Shiekah city.

He does so, and evades notice for a while, but is inevitably caught by the Shiekah, who recognize him as the one who was looking for the cogs. They take him to the elders, who confer, the agree- he can go into the temple. One of the elders- Seere, who is obviously looked down on as crazy by the others- volunteers to escort him.

Seere walks Link into the entrance. He tells Link that he's had visions of doom for the past months, and terrible nightmares of cogs. "They must not be used for evil, and I senses that you are pivotal in all of this, Link. You might bring great salvation to Hyrule..." At this point, Seere opens the door to the temple and pushes Link in. "Or great doom. Good luck!" And Seere leaves and closes the door.

Link, trapped in the dungeon, is attacked by the monster. He can use the fire and ice arrows to fend it off, but not destroy it. Once the monster turns away, Link can explore the dungeon.



The only thing with this one is that it doesn't involve the Hero very much...

Mirby:
Well I think Link can do some things on his own without the help of the Hero, right?

Plus if this is the final normal part before the finale in the Celestial Clock...

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