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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2007, 04:11:56 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2007, 04:22:11 pm »
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Mars is not Earth. Mars has differnt cycles.
Quote from: Lunar on July 11, 2007, 03:29:28 pm
I've come up with a couple (expensive) solutions to this.

Number one: Cover the planet Mercury in solar panels, transfer the energy back to earth.

Number two: Build a "shell" of fans around the outside of the Sun, and let them be spun by the solar wind. Transfer the energy back to earth.


Do you realize that solar wind is not wind at all? Solar wind is pure electricity.
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And now after years of mocking him the pretending he played a massive part in our lives when really we couldn't care less just to ease our consciounse over said mocking healing can begin <_<

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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2007, 04:54:10 pm »
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Quote from: Issac_Amisov on July 11, 2007, 04:03:16 am
The temperature on Mars is increasing at about the same rate as Earth! Maybe the martians should cut down on the Co2.
Hippies fail again.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece

Yes they should. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars#Atmosphere

Read: 95% carbon dioxide.

I dunno, that's uh, a lot?

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Quote from: Source on July 11, 2007, 04:09:12 am
Oh, Global Warming is real, just not at the rate people say it is. It's a natural part of a planet's climate patterns; just let it run its course.
How can you say its real, yet mars is having drastic increases in temperature as well?

Oh, Global Warming is real, just not at the rate people say it is. It's a natural part of a planet's climate patterns; just let it run its course.

Read plx kthxbai.

And in the mean time, the polar ice caps melt, species go extinct, millions of people are killed, trillions of dollars are lost in property and lowered productivity, with the poorest countries - the ones least responsible - suffer the worst?
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2007, 05:12:29 pm »
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I'm confused, if none of us are responsible, how are they the least responsible?
He's saying: "No matter what we do, it'll continue to rise until it falls again. That is because it's a natural cycle of the earth."
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2007, 05:15:16 pm »
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Yep, polar ice caps melt, species go extinct, million of people die. Just like how they die from earthquakes, tsunami's, volcanoes. It's because nature doesn't really go 'Hey theres people living there! Let's not errupt that volcano then!'

A LOT more people die from disseases than global warming. We can help those people with all the money saved from Kyoto and what not. Just think about it for a second. What if it's true that it's natural? Then we are wasting so much money on nothing!
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Watch An Inconvinient Truth. The growth of heat is going way faster than the natural cycle.
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Quote from: TheDarkJay on June 25, 2009, 11:28:56 pm
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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2007, 05:25:29 pm »
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The Inconvenient Truth is a load of horseshit. In my eyes, it's nothing more than a movie made by a bunch of rabid envromental extremists who are willing to blow the entire situation completely out of proportion in order to have their way. If greenhouse gasses are causing global warming, it's on an incredibly small scale. In fact, I once read an article written by a respected scientist who debunked the whole movie. I'll see if I can find it.

Also, anyone who listens to Al Gore deserves to be shot.

Quote from: Pyru on July 11, 2007, 04:54:10 pm
And in the mean time, the polar ice caps melt, species go extinct, millions of people are killed, trillions of dollars are lost in property and lowered productivity, with the poorest countries - the ones least responsible - suffer the worst?

No offense, but that's a really poor argument. Like Kleaver said, the planet can't and doesn't differentiate between whether or not there's life living on it. Just because we're here doesn't mean that it will stop erupting volcanoes, causing super storms, or quaking the earth. In my opinion, the planet doesn't know or care that we're here.
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Plus, with all the CO2 we're making, we're accelerating it!

There's like, hardly any CO2 in the atmosphere at all. It's risen something like 0.04% in the past 30 years- and it made a pretty big change.

Also, whoever said there's millions of volcanoes spewing out CO2, that's not dissimilar to all the cars in America, whose govenment refuses to make alterations to minimize their outputs.

I mean, India and China are doing all that as well and won't quit- but that's because they know it's gonna get them rich, just like it did for us, and because of that it seems like we're being total assholes to them, because it's like "we got rich, but we won't let you be rich". So I sympathise with them.

But when you're the richest country in the world, there really is no excuse.
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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2007, 05:39:13 pm »
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I love how people blame the government for everything. I suppose when Christ returns and the Apocalypse begins, people are STILL going to blame the government. (Note that I was making a comparison and I don't actually mean that)
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Yes and there is no way we are saying don't stop using fossil fuels and building windmills, solar cells. Those things are all brilliant. Because there's nothing good about smog, polluting oceans and fossil fuels are going to run out anyway. All I mean is that its NOT causing global warming. Thats just a way to shock people into accepting it. Kinda like how they use terrorism to drive fear into the people.
And how they used to use religion. 'If you dont do this or that, you're going to hell!'

Like I said...without the greenhouse effect we would all be dead so it makes sense this has always been around.
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Quote from: Kyubi on July 11, 2007, 05:30:43 pm
Plus, with all the CO2 we're making, we're accelerating it!

There's like, hardly any CO2 in the atmosphere at all. It's risen something like 0.04% in the past 30 years- and it made a pretty big change.

Wrong, it's risen TO 0.04%. it used to be something like 0.035%.

Some books have it as 0.03% and rising to 0.035%, others go from 0.035% to 0.04%
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Quote from: MG-Zero on July 11, 2007, 05:45:31 pm
I'm wondering if I should move this to the debates board..

That would be wise...
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Quote from: Kleaver on July 11, 2007, 02:12:32 pm
Global warming is very real, jut as real as it was 1000 years ago, where the temperature was even higher than today.
There wasn't any CO2 back then either.

CO2, just like water vapor, is a geenhoue-gas. Only CO2 only raises the temperature by about 0.07 degrees C.
That's right kids, the entire Kyoto-protocol and Live Earth stuff is to stop the planet increaing it's temperature by 0.07 degrees!

Also, whatever An Inconvienent Truth tells you, with the graphs about that the CO2 and temperature are in almost perfect synchronisation. That's because a higher temperature CAUSES more CO2 discharge. Not the other way around. Every sinlge living being  gives off CO2, without it life cannot excist.


Err.. I am an environmentalist and I still think Live Earth is/was the most idiotic thing in the world :S

I mean "OLO WE USE ENVIROMENT FRIENDLIE EQUPMENT".. but no equipment is better than environment friendly equipment. Just like less consumption is better than environment friendly consumption. If they blow it up that big, it will not be environment friendly in total anymore.

And the bands and artists almost did ten times around the planet in PRIVATE jet airplanes, releasing several thousands of tons of carbon. And as cherry on top, quote Razorlight, one of the bands from the events: "The Razorlight singer is really passionate about the environment and assured Al [Gore] that he will off-set all his carbon emissions by planting loads of trees." which they said when Al Gore was unhappy that they would go with tour bus with police escort to their private jet *cough* losers.
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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2007, 08:11:32 pm »
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Okay, bear with me; some very rough calculations here, and they're hardly what you'd call scientific. But here goes:

I took the minimum distance of Earth from the sun - 147,098,074 km - and the maximum distance of Mars from the sun - 249,228,730 km (using the minimum for Earth and the maximum for Mars so it would not be skewed in favour of what I'm trying to prove) and used those figures to get a relative figure for the amount of light each gets from the sun.

Basically, as light radiates from the sun in a sphere, the amount of energy at any two points are related by the equation for the surface area of a sphere: a=4r2, where r is the radius of the sphere. I did this for both figures and got (sorry for Excel's crappy version of standard form here): 8.65514E+16 for Earth and 2.4846E+17 for Mars. To get the relative amount, I divided the figure for Mars by the figure for Earth. So Mars gets about 2.870663161 times less energy from the sun than Earth.

Then, I set about calculating the effect of warming as a result of CO2 in Mars' atmosphere. I couldn't find any figures for the volume of Mars' atmosphere - only its scale height, which, to be honest, I don't really know how to use in this calculation, but Mars has a higher scale height of atmosphere than Earth's, whatever that means. It's not a huge difference though.

Anyway, the pressure of Mars' atmosphere is, on average, at the surface, 0.6kPa. This is a lot less than Earth's - at 101.3kPa. However, Earth only has 0.038% carbon dioxide by volume, compared to Mars' huge 95.3%. To get a relative arbitrary figure for the mass of CO2, I multiplied the measurement of pressure against the proportion of carbon dioxide by volume, to get 57.18 for Mars and 3.8494 for Earth. So Mars has, in relative terms, 14.854263 times more carbon dioxide per litre of air than Earth, even if the air is a lot thinner.

Now, combining those two relative figures - 14.854263 and 2.870662161 - I got a figure for how much of a difference CO2 should have in climate change on Mars compared to Earth (by dividing the relative mass of carbon dioxide by the lowered energy from the sun) per litre of air. Incredibly, it would CO2 related warming would be 5.174505739 times greater on Mars than Earth.

So, yeah, you'd expect the temperature to rise much more on Mars than Earth as a result of this; and it throws a LOT of doubt onto the "olo global warming is fake" argument you guys are throwing around.
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Ok, that made little sense to me all those calculations. There are a lot of factors though, Mars is at a much larger distance from the sun, has a different composition of oxygen and other substances.

And also, Mars has no life. Why compare with Mars? We're talking about Earth here.
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Quote from: Kleaver on July 11, 2007, 08:36:58 pm
Ok, that made little sense to me all those calculations. There are a lot of factors though, Mars is at a much larger distance from the sun, has a different composition of oxygen and other substances.

If you notice, those were the EXACT factors I was covering. <__<

Okay, I didn't cover the amount of oxygen (oxygen having very little effect) or water vapour or methane, which both have large effects, but there IS methane in Mars' atmosphere, and high water vapour levels are generally accepted as being a symptom of climate change, as well as a continuation effect.

In other words, the rate of temperature increase is likely to be stable on Mars - where there is a constant ratio of gases - while on Earth, it is likely to accelerate, as water vapour levels increase, and CO2 is released from melting ice caps, and as oceans - a large CO2 sink - become saturated.

Quote from: Kleaver on July 11, 2007, 08:36:58 pm
And also, Mars has no life. Why compare with Mars? We're talking about Earth here.

Because that's what the topic is about? o.O
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Okay, played with my model a little, adding in average orbit distances for Mars and Earth.

Just factoring that in, Mars has a much higher relative amount of CO2 related global warming - 6.398434906 times greater per litre of air, up from the distorted figure of 5.174505739.

Then, I decided to fiddle with the model to see what the relative amount was like at pre-industrial levels of CO2 on Earth.

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A 0.005 point drop in CO2 concentration changes the relative value to 7.36789474. To put that in a better way, at current levels, Earth has 15.62882196% of the CO2 related warming effect of Mars. At pre-industrial levels, it was 13.57239802%. That's a fairly significant increase of 2.056424, or 13.15789471% of the current total CO2 caused warming effect.

Again, that's not even beginning to factor in the effects of increasing levels of water vapour in the atmosphere or methane levels.
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