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Other Discussion / Re: My Canadian friend got an $80 fine today for yawning at a police officer.

« on: April 06, 2008, 02:54:23 am »

im pretty sure there was probably more to it than them simply yawning and a police officer catching them. Possibly they were getting warned for something else and the yawn sort of sealed the deal.
At the same time, im sure the office was to blame aswell.

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Entertainment / Re: GTA IV edited for Australia

« on: April 06, 2008, 02:52:29 am »

who really cares, doesn't take away anything useful from the game.

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Debates / Re: Truth is not relative!

« on: January 08, 2008, 11:57:11 pm »

First, I extend my apologies for my warning. I wasn't aware of your long lasting interest in ZFGC. I was merely trying to be helpful. I suppose I look foolish now. I hope we can put that misunderstanding behind us.

On to the topic at hand!

You still haven't answered my question. What defines something as right? Who decides what is right and what is wrong? If all people agreed that killing is ok, would killing still be wrong?

To refraise my point, what is it for something to be ok? How do you define ok?

You're right that saying, "truth is relative" is an absolute. I think what would make more sense would be to say, "some truths are relative"

Nah no worries about it, i havent really been around for the last 2 years anyway so i wasnt offedned in any way.

I think im on with the last part you say "Some truths are relative" that seems more correct. Although I wouldnt call those them truths, id have another name for them.

Ultimately I would have to say that God is the reason why truth is absolute, that he sets the perfect moral standard, and I guess to those who don't believe in him, then according to their ideological view of life they could call truth relative. However I would disagree with their viewpoint because there are things like theft, murder etc.. that should never be supported, and only result in corrupt governments.

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Debates / Re: Religion

« on: January 08, 2008, 11:51:06 pm »

I don't believe in evolution. Why? Because its a theory, an ideology, which has religious routes to it. Although you might not call it religious, instead atheistic. Basically it came from a rejection of the history according to the Bible, which then had them describing how the earth came to being through small changes. These small changes seemed like they could possibly happen if you gave it enough time. Then a study of the earth was done, ie the fossil record, which was subsequently interpreted as supporting their philosophy.
But I believe you can study the earth scientifically, and fit those fact according to the Bible. And yes it does require supernatural events, but nothing more amazing than Jesus rising from the dead, walking on water, telling a storm to stop by just speaking to it, etc.


I just saw your Richy dawkins quote, personally theres nothing that guy says that moves Christianity even a millimeter. In fact, sections of his book have been read at the church I go to quite a few times. I get a good laugh out of the stuff he says, but theres nothing lethal in there, nothing that honestly attacks Christianity, its just ramblings of an angry guy who doesn't wanna bother looking at the facts properly and instead tries to irrationally attack Christianity through his own ideology.


Anyway, heres my modification of that quote above:
Richard Dawkins
Many of us saw human ideologies as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where's the harm? The holocaust and Stalins killing of up to 30 million people in the name of evolution changed all that. Revealed evolutionary ideology is not harmless nonsense, it can be lethally dangerous nonsense. Dangerous because it gives people unshakeable confidence in their own race's superiority. Dangerous because it gives them false courage to kill people who they see as inferior/ unevolved human beings, which automatically removes normal barriers to killing others. Dangerous because it teaches enmity to others labelled only by a difference of skin colour and facial features. And dangerous because we have all bought into a weird respect, which uniquely protects evolutionary ideology from normal criticism. Let's now stop being so respectful!

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Updates / Re: A Hoffy Review: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. *SCORES UPDATED*

« on: January 08, 2008, 05:58:32 am »

Your reviews are so professional. Keep them coming.

Thank you .

I can't believe you didn't thank me for sending my full paid for TP to you free of charge O_O.

+Rep for a great review.
-Rep for read above. =(.

Ah !@#$% >_<. Seriously AoDC, when I started writing the review, I was like "will thank AoDC somewhere" but then I just forgot O___o. Now I feel bad. I suppose I'm done with the game now. If you like, I can send it back?

wait hoffy, are you the old member Hero of Fire? Back in the day at zfgc? Sort of just clicked with me as hof was the acronym for hero of fire, and yeh so on.

Yes, I actually am Hero of Fire . Basically Hero of Fire = HoF = Hoffy. Sorry if I was a bit rude to you before, Redding, you're still one of my favourite Australian members .

haha nah no worries, sorry that i was with my comments, its a very thorough review, and awesome that you've written such a thing.
Yeh youd be one of my favourite aussie members here too, good to see theres still a few, despite me being absent a couple of years.

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Updates / Re: A Hoffy Review: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. *SCORES UPDATED*

« on: January 08, 2008, 05:53:24 am »

Your reviews are so professional. Keep them coming.

Thank you .

I can't believe you didn't thank me for sending my full paid for TP to you free of charge O_O.

+Rep for a great review.
-Rep for read above. =(.

Ah !@#$% >_<. Seriously AoDC, when I started writing the review, I was like "will thank AoDC somewhere" but then I just forgot O___o. Now I feel bad. I suppose I'm done with the game now. If you like, I can send it back?

wait hoffy, are you the old member Hero of Fire? Back in the day at zfgc? Sort of just clicked with me as hof was the acronym for hero of fire, and yeh so on.

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Debates / Re: Truth is not relative!

« on: January 08, 2008, 05:51:19 am »

The statement "truth is relative" is also relative then, because youre saying that you know something concrete about truth, that it is relative. Yet that in itself is not a relative statement. So if you want to stick to you opinion of truth being relative, then you have to acknowledge that your opinion on truth is also a relative one, meaning that it is not true. Thus if its not true, then truth must not be relative. Simple.

I know youre giving examples like "Don't leave your room" and saying its truth. But that doesn;t even relate to this topic. Truth is something like, the Air is made of oxygen and other gasses. Sure we have names for them which may be different in another country, but the fact remains the same, air is made up of those elements.

Sure we may call Red, Red, but even if we did call it blue, it would not be a different colour, it would just have a different name. So those arguments youre giving are not relevant to this topic.

What youre trying to say is for example that Murder is not ok in our culture, but in others it may be ok. But the truth is, murder is never ok, what right does someone have to take the life of another, who cares what culture you live in, each individual is still a full human being, and even if their culture permits murder, doesn't make it right.

Ok, first, a word of warning. Try not to sound so sure of your own rightness. Being as new as you are to ZFGC you aren't really in a position to be making so many harsh comments. You are likely to find yourself in the middle of a large flame war witch would just destroy your credibility from the start. (Just a note: I'm not trying to flame. I'm just offering some friendly advice.

Now, on to the topic at hand.

You say murder is wrong but what makes it wrong? I personally agree with you on the matter but I want to hear your reasoning.

Hypothetical speaking, if the world was destroyed and the only people who survived were you and 200 people who supported murder, would murder be ok? If not, why? What makes the truth you see any better than the truth those 200 people see. This leads us right back to, "truth is relative". Since you probably don't have any actual reason why killing is wrong than you cannot prove your truth is right. Note: Reasons such as "Because god said not to kill", "killing is just plain wrong", "people get sad when you kill people:, etc... don't count.

Well firstly CelestialEsper is right, ive been a member of ZFGC since around January 2004, but i left some time in 2006 when it changed to gamers advanced, and then merged with another website, but then came back to being zfgc.

But on to the matter of Murder, the reason I said it was wrong, was because think of it on an individual level. What right does someone else have, to take away your life? Or your friends? Or a family members? Is it not wrong for that thing to happen, despite what everyone else thinks?

Just because everyone says something is ok, doesnt make it ok. As with the example of black slaves. Just because everyone said black slavery was ok, didn't make it right. Do you think the african americans were happy and accepted being slaves? Or do you think they felt they were being treated wrongly.

Secondly, how is it not an absolute to say that truth is relative? Isn't that statement in itself claiming to be an absolute. If it were an absolute, then it would make void what it is saying, because it itself would prove truth being absolute through its very statement.

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Debates / Re: Piracy... >>

« on: January 08, 2008, 05:42:57 am »

Just say I thought that murder was ok according to my morals. How would I go in court?

You think of morals as what is intrinsically right. thibledorf thinks of morals as what he himself feels is right.

Thus you can't argue and will always clash.

Then we are defining different things, thus 2 words should be used rather than the same.

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Debates / Re: Religion

« on: January 08, 2008, 05:41:21 am »

completely unretarded Christian theology

I'm going to be an ass here and say that that's an oxymoron

well, the christian theology that seems to be mainstream these days is nowhere near what Christianity really is :p thats my point with that

What is then?

I defo agree that there are many churches in the western world that don't care about what Christianity really is anymore and focus on the social aspect, but in the words of hillary clinton in regards to the methodist church "I think that the Methodist Church, for a period of time, became too socially concerned, too involved in the social gospel and did not pay enough attention to questions of personal salvation and individual faith." http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/117043.aspx

Or places like Lakewood church, they don't really care about the the atoning death of Jesus, they just care about making your life comfortable now, about making you the best you can be and focusing on YOU. Which is completely opposite to what Jesus taught.

Eh, theres really not many out there these days; thats why I don't do church ... Theres been only 1 church I've found so far that actually studies the bible the way I prefer to (Shepherds Chapel, google it or something). They're expository, meaning they read chapter by chapter throughout the bible and break it down into the original languages it kinda opens the doors a bit. It's also almost a 180 from mainstream christianity, which again, isnt really all that *Christian* anymore

bah I'm bored

There are plenty of churches that teach from the Bible. My church, and others in the group of sydney anglican churches, all affirm that the Bible is the Word of God, 100% truthful and 100% trustworthy. We go through the Bible book by book, chapter by chapter, and study what it has to say.

The shepherd chapel I would be cautious about because they deny the Trinity, denial of the trinity has been condemned since the earliest Church, because denial of it is taking away something essential to Christianity. The fact that God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are all 1, yet at the same time 3. Each fully God, yet apart fully God aswell.
The Bible may not explicitly state that, however it is strongly implied, and Jesus' full deity, the Holy Spirit's fully deity, and God the father's, cannot be denied. Yet at the same time, it cannot be denied that there is one God.
The Shepherds chapel says that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are just different forms of God, but this directly contradicts the scriptures.

They also teach that our souls had an existence prior to creation. But that is no where taught in the Bible. As these verses state, the Spiritual body is something after the resurection and has never existed prior.
"it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven" (1 Cor. 15:44-47).

There are a few other false teachings in there which derive from human thought and philosophy interpreting the Bible, rather than reading the Bible as is, and letting it interpret itself.

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Debates / Re: Piracy... >>

« on: January 08, 2008, 05:22:10 am »

in the same way its immoral to download music.

Morality is relative.

Morality isn't relative.

For example, it used to be legal to have african americans as slaves. Did that make it moral? Just because white people viewed themselves as superior and black people as inferior, didn't make their actions moral.

Or what about theft, its never ok to steal something from someone else, no matter what culture you live in. Who has the right to take something that is yours? Even if a corrupt government supported that, i can assure you the person who had the thing being stolen from him would feel exactly the same as someone would feel today.

Or oppression of people groups. Over the centuries different groups of people have been oppressed, whether it be because of race or some other commonality, these people were terrorised and tortured because of that thing they had in common. This happened to the Jews, its now happening to the Palestinians in Israel, and there are plenty more examples. Just because a society deems it acceptable to do that, doesnt make their actions right.

Actually, morality is relative. My morals may differ from your morals and I'm sure many other ZFGCers have different versions of morals as well. Now that I think about it my morals do differ from your morals. I don't think it is immoral to download songs.

What is morality but a concept created by man to be a guideline for every day behavior?

But just because your opinion says that it is not immoral to download songs illegally, doesnt make it moral.

Just say I thought that murder was ok according to my morals. How would I go in court?

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Debates / Re: Religion

« on: January 08, 2008, 04:28:56 am »

completely unretarded Christian theology

I'm going to be an ass here and say that that's an oxymoron

well, the christian theology that seems to be mainstream these days is nowhere near what Christianity really is :p thats my point with that

What is then?

I defo agree that there are many churches in the western world that don't care about what Christianity really is anymore and focus on the social aspect, but in the words of hillary clinton in regards to the methodist church "I think that the Methodist Church, for a period of time, became too socially concerned, too involved in the social gospel and did not pay enough attention to questions of personal salvation and individual faith." http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/117043.aspx

Or places like Lakewood church, they don't really care about the the atoning death of Jesus, they just care about making your life comfortable now, about making you the best you can be and focusing on YOU. Which is completely opposite to what Jesus taught.

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Debates / Re: Piracy... >>

« on: January 08, 2008, 04:24:25 am »

in the same way its immoral to download music.

Morality is relative.

Morality isn't relative.

For example, it used to be legal to have african americans as slaves. Did that make it moral? Just because white people viewed themselves as superior and black people as inferior, didn't make their actions moral.

Or what about theft, its never ok to steal something from someone else, no matter what culture you live in. Who has the right to take something that is yours? Even if a corrupt government supported that, i can assure you the person who had the thing being stolen from him would feel exactly the same as someone would feel today.

Or oppression of people groups. Over the centuries different groups of people have been oppressed, whether it be because of race or some other commonality, these people were terrorised and tortured because of that thing they had in common. This happened to the Jews, its now happening to the Palestinians in Israel, and there are plenty more examples. Just because a society deems it acceptable to do that, doesnt make their actions right.

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Debates / Re: Piracy... >>

« on: January 08, 2008, 01:48:32 am »

Look its illegal download music unless stated that the music/ tv show/ movie is free for download. Who cares if you aren't getting a physicaly copy of it, when you buy a cd or dvd or tape or whatever, are you buying it just for the physical dvd and not the content on it? Do you buy a wii game because you want the disc?
If so, just buy blank dvds/ cds becasue they are a lot cheaper than buying a propper cd/ dvd.

Most of you people have no idea about the rights to intellectual property, property that is not tangible or physical, but is still counted as an asset and has an assigned monetary value to it. Its just as illegal to steal intangible (no-phyisical property) as it is to steal tangible property. Sure the authorities may be targeting the people who distribute the music/ movies rather than the people who download it, but thats because its easier to do that, instead of finding millions of individuals, why not try and cut off the source. The exact same thing with drug crimes, people who supply drugs are punished more severly than those that buy the drugs. But people who buy drugs or use them, are still punished, in the same way its immoral to download music.

Why do you think authorities are trying to stop the people who supply the music and the p2p frameworks, if downloading music is legal? There would be no point.

Why does itunes music shop exist? So people can download music, legally. Thus it should prove that downloading music for free, that normally you would pay for, is illegal, there should be no question about it.

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Updates / Re: A Hoffy Review: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. *SCORES UPDATED*

« on: January 08, 2008, 12:43:28 am »

Id have to say I disagree, Zelda:TP is no where near as good as OOT, MM or TWW. Sure it has great graphics, but its way too linear, pretty much you can't break out of the normal pattern to do something in a different order because the 50 million cut scenes dictate where you go next.
Too much of the lacking story was told through cut scenes, rather than gameplay as it has been in previous 3d titles. Don't get me wrong, I love the cut scene, but just not as many as TP had.

Also, it felt a lot more lonely than previous 3d zeldas, pretty much you just explored by your self, what I mean is, in OOT and after, you went to different towns that were filled with people who you had to interact with in order to complete the next objective. In this game Ordon is the only town like that, and you leave that at the start. Kakariko is deserted and only has the shamen and the bomb guy plus some kids. Zoras domain is small, and you don't really need to talk to anyone there, the Goron place has a few people, but its nothing like it was in OOT. But thats all, the desert, the hidden village, the sky, the sacred forest, have maybe 1 person to talk with at max, but they arent central like they used to be.

Over all, a dissapointing game, nintendo tried to fit too much in, but in the end sacrificed a lot of the classic zelda elements. Hyrule field was large, but it was empty. The story left all these loose ends which were never addressed, but ignored in the end.

Okay, I realise now why I enjoyed this game so much.

Because I'm such a sucker for Zelda, I like to take my time. In taking my time, during both of my playthroughs of Twilight Princess, I visited Kakariko Village, Ordon Village and Castle Town between the dungeons... not always all three, but I did regularly check up on Kakariko to see how the kids were going. I was regularly interacting with characters, because they usually have something new to say. This stuff wasn't forced on me like the cutscenes, I just did it. This made Hyrule seem less empty for me, and I can understand what it would be like for someone who didn't waste time.

Also, I did not say Twilight Princess was better than OoT, MM and TWW. Actually, if you read my review, I said it was the least impressive out of the four 3D games. Yes, I said it was the best in terms of gameplay, but I didn't say it was the best overall game. Please take note of such things before you criticise me.

Though a lot of you do have a point. I realise now I may have rated the story too high considering how many flaws I also noted. I think I might lower that score.
I'm "selling out" to you guys just because I changed the scores. I feel better about these scores anyway. I think they back-up my argument a little more.

Sorry, wasn't meaning to attack your review like that. Its definately not a bad game, and I guess we do have similar opinions on it then.

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Debates / Re: Truth is not relative!

« on: January 08, 2008, 12:41:00 am »

The statement "truth is relative" is also relative then, because youre saying that you know something concrete about truth, that it is relative. Yet that in itself is not a relative statement. So if you want to stick to you opinion of truth being relative, then you have to acknowledge that your opinion on truth is also a relative one, meaning that it is not true. Thus if its not true, then truth must not be relative. Simple.

I know youre giving examples like "Don't leave your room" and saying its truth. But that doesn;t even relate to this topic. Truth is something like, the Air is made of oxygen and other gasses. Sure we have names for them which may be different in another country, but the fact remains the same, air is made up of those elements.

Sure we may call Red, Red, but even if we did call it blue, it would not be a different colour, it would just have a different name. So those arguments youre giving are not relevant to this topic.

What youre trying to say is for example that Murder is not ok in our culture, but in others it may be ok. But the truth is, murder is never ok, what right does someone have to take the life of another, who cares what culture you live in, each individual is still a full human being, and even if their culture permits murder, doesn't make it right.

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Updates / Re: A Hoffy Review: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

« on: January 08, 2008, 12:27:50 am »

This game was so much better than TP but that being said it was one of the worse zeldas, though there never terrible. Also why does everybody like Midna she's pretty much Navi in imp form?

Rule 34 works well for her, man. And lol TP was better than TP. 

lol i meant it's better than OOT.

WTF??  Duplicate accounts?  I thought you were brothers, but....posting under each others accounts?  Seems a bit fishy.

Probably just forgot he was signed into his "brothers account"

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Updates / Re: A Hoffy Review: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

« on: January 08, 2008, 12:24:08 am »

Id have to say I disagree, Zelda:TP is no where near as good as OOT, MM or TWW. Sure it has great graphics, but its way too linear, pretty much you can't break out of the normal pattern to do something in a different order because the 50 million cut scenes dictate where you go next.
Too much of the lacking story was told through cut scenes, rather than gameplay as it has been in previous 3d titles. Don't get me wrong, I love the cut scene, but just not as many as TP had.

Also, it felt a lot more lonely than previous 3d zeldas, pretty much you just explored by your self, what I mean is, in OOT and after, you went to different towns that were filled with people who you had to interact with in order to complete the next objective. In this game Ordon is the only town like that, and you leave that at the start. Kakariko is deserted and only has the shamen and the bomb guy plus some kids. Zoras domain is small, and you don't really need to talk to anyone there, the Goron place has a few people, but its nothing like it was in OOT. But thats all, the desert, the hidden village, the sky, the sacred forest, have maybe 1 person to talk with at max, but they arent central like they used to be.

Over all, a dissapointing game, nintendo tried to fit too much in, but in the end sacrificed a lot of the classic zelda elements. Hyrule field was large, but it was empty. The story left all these loose ends which were never addressed, but ignored in the end.


EDIT: You got a ruppee, its worth 5. Ok thats fine hearing the first time you find a rupee, but not almost every time afterwoods, what was with that, was it a mistake because everytime i found a rupee on the ground that was bigger than 1 rupee, it would say "you got a blue ruppee worth 5, yellow worth 10 and so on" it actually got me scared of collecting rupees and i started ignoring them in the end.

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Entertainment / Re: The: 'VC recommendations' topic

« on: January 06, 2008, 01:29:47 pm »

Recomend:
Sin & Punishment
Sin & Punishment
Sin & Punishment

Seriously, why isn't this on the popular titles list on the VC? Not only is it an awesome game, it hasn't been released outside of Japan before.

Sin and Punishment final battle was so epic. It was epic in a Gurren Lagann epic way. HUEG HUEG HUEG things doing battle .
The sidescroller level was awesome as well . Can't wait to see Treasure's Wii title.

whats so good about Sin & Punishment? I wanna know cause if its awesome i would probs buy it, but who knows.

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Other Discussion / Re: Haha, Jesus Camp was on A&E

« on: January 06, 2008, 08:10:09 am »

o.o lol funny thing is; the christians (lower case c ) in that video are the stupid "milk" christians who only listen to what other people say their religion says rather than looking it up themselves... That guy on the mic in the intro is an idiot. rofl.

"JESUS IS COMING TO TAKE US AWAY FROM EARTH"

my thoughts-

"... NO YOU RETARD. IF YOU READ THE BIBLE IT SAYS EARTH WILL BE THE NEW HEAVEN, NOT THAT WE'LL BE TAKEN OFF EARTH."

And that kid "speaking in tongues"... !@#$% idiot. "tongues" means languages. If you're speaking in a tongue, you're speaking in another countries language... Jibbrish is NOT a language >_<. And if they think they're speaking the "Cloven Tongue", they're idiots too since that's supposed to be something EVERYONE can understand...

*runs*

Seriously though. Skim Milk christians give Christianity a bad name

Well even thats incorrect, this whole universe will be destroyed on judgement day, and a new heaven and new earth will be created. Heavens simply refer to the sky, so basically Christians will probably be living on a perfect earth like planet. Again though, no one knows what heaven will be like, only God. Wait till judgement day.

I think some of those Christians do seem like brainwashed people, like the mormons, point is, theres no need to act like that because Christianity is based in reality, to be a Christian one does not have to follow man made philosophies and ideologies, all they need to do is repent of their sins and trust in Jesus' death and resurection, which takes away their sins. IN MY OPINION.

Fixed for you thar.

Pretty much I hate all kinds of brainwashing tactics and stuff. It just reminds me of Nineteen Eighty-Four and stuff like that. When you lose all that free will and stuff to think for yourself, it kind of loses the point of being human...in my opinion 

Actually its not my opinion, that is exactly what is said in the Bible, becasue the Bible is historically the most accurate ancient history book, the events within can be trusted. IN MY OPINION.

Fixed for you again IN MY OPINION.. Everything would go a heck of a lot smoother if you just added those three simple words to every single sentence.

Actually Jesus Camp is pretty bad, but I don't really take much consideration to that. These people are a very low minority and make up less than 1% of North America. Actually, if they only knew how many people weren't just brainwashed people with no personal religiousness (Just "Faith" gotten from a book read to them probably over and over).

Finally caught on, if everything is an opinion, you can never be wrong, rad. Technically then, the west didn't lose the war against north vietnam, in my opinion, they did win it, don't see the logic to it, but thats not really important.

on topic: Ive only ever seen this on a news story, doesnt come out in australia.

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Other Discussion / Re: Haha, Jesus Camp was on A&E

« on: January 05, 2008, 07:06:13 am »

o.o lol funny thing is; the christians (lower case c ) in that video are the stupid "milk" christians who only listen to what other people say their religion says rather than looking it up themselves... That guy on the mic in the intro is an idiot. rofl.

"JESUS IS COMING TO TAKE US AWAY FROM EARTH"

my thoughts-

"... NO YOU RETARD. IF YOU READ THE BIBLE IT SAYS EARTH WILL BE THE NEW HEAVEN, NOT THAT WE'LL BE TAKEN OFF EARTH."

And that kid "speaking in tongues"... !@#$% idiot. "tongues" means languages. If you're speaking in a tongue, you're speaking in another countries language... Jibbrish is NOT a language >_<. And if they think they're speaking the "Cloven Tongue", they're idiots too since that's supposed to be something EVERYONE can understand...

*runs*

Seriously though. Skim Milk christians give Christianity a bad name

Well even thats incorrect, this whole universe will be destroyed on judgement day, and a new heaven and new earth will be created. Heavens simply refer to the sky, so basically Christians will probably be living on a perfect earth like planet. Again though, no one knows what heaven will be like, only God. Wait till judgement day.

I think some of those Christians do seem like brainwashed people, like the mormons, point is, theres no need to act like that because Christianity is based in reality, to be a Christian one does not have to follow man made philosophies and ideologies, all they need to do is repent of their sins and trust in Jesus' death and resurection, which takes away their sins. IN MY OPINION.

Fixed for you thar.

Pretty much I hate all kinds of brainwashing tactics and stuff. It just reminds me of Nineteen Eighty-Four and stuff like that. When you lose all that free will and stuff to think for yourself, it kind of loses the point of being human...in my opinion 

Actually its not my opinion, that is exactly what is said in the Bible, becasue the Bible is historically the most accurate ancient history book, the events within can be trusted.