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[Theforeshadower]

Theforeshadower

Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

So, in Michigan, the proposed bill to ban smoking in bars/pubs and restaurants is all buzz in the media.
This is such a crock of !@#$%.  People for years have decided whether or not to have smoking/non-smoking bars.  It has always been upto the business owner whether or not he wants his bar to be a smoke-free environment.  The government has no right to come in and say,"You are no longer allowed to smoke in the bars in Michigan. Period."  First, it takes away the customers freedom, second it takes away the business owners freedom to allow smokers.  Yes, second-hand smoke is dangerous.  No arguement from me, there.
But, there are just as many, if not more non-smoking bars here than smoking ones.  I am all for the restaurant ban.  Kids are at restaurants and can't decide for themselves to go to restaurants. Their parents do.  So, I have no problem with that.  But a bar is an adult place.  If you don't like smoke, then go to another bar.  You have the choice.  No one is forcing you to go to Pete's Pub that has smoking.  The thing is that smoking bars have more business than non-smoking bars.  It's just a fact here.  I don't care how many reports say otherwise because all those reports are from people that have an agenda against smoking in public.  Too many people have called into the radios saying that there is more business in their smoking bar than the non-smoking one across the street.  It's just where the party is apparently.  And the non-smoking businesses don't like to lose business.  Seriously.  Leave it upto the business owners.  I also heard from the radios that alot of people are now opening up "underground" pubs in their basements since they can smoke freely in their homes, in the states that have smoking in bars illegal.

My opinion...Discuss.

BTW: After a smoking ban from pubs, what's the next thing the government is going to try to control?  Sounds alot like the USA is headed for socialism/communism more and more every year.

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[FISSURE]

FISSURE

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

Smoking sucks !@#$% anyway.

[Mamoruanime]

Mamoruanime

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

They banned smoking in the bar in the hotel I work in Biggest mistake evar, and also one of the biggest complaints we get... and they just banned smoking for employees on the property, which caused productivity to go down... lol yay michigan, the suckiest state evar

[Theforeshadower]

Theforeshadower

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

Smoking sucks !@#$% anyway.

Doesn't matter.  It's still a freedom we have.  You don't have to be around it, just like if topless women offend you, then don't go to a topless bar. lol

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[a Hint of Lime]

a Hint of Lime

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

I don't smoke cigarettes myself, but I kinda agree with you.  Smokers have been kinda pushed out of EVERYWHERE, there are even street corners you can't smoke on lol-- bars were like... their place.  Sure smoking is bad for you, but who cares, just don't do it yourself, let other people do what they want :/

[Kren]

Kren

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

I agree with theforeshadower, the only solution would be to add some non smokers area. but still if you go to a pub with your friends it is probable that one of your friends smoke.. so there is no good reason for this.

[FISSURE]

FISSURE

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

Sorry about my earlier post.

While i agree that owners should have the right to choose to have smoking, non, both, etc. But i honestly think that everyone should get away from smoking period, it doesn't help anything.

[Pyru]

Pyru

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

It's actually about an employee's right to have a smoke-free environment more than anything. :/

Employees have a right to their health, and working in an environment where it's impossible to avoid smoke doesn't give them any room for that.

It's a gross over-simplification, sure, but that's pretty much the jist of it.

[Theforeshadower]

Theforeshadower

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

It's actually about an employee's right to have a smoke-free environment more than anything. :/

Employees have a right to their health, and working in an environment where it's impossible to avoid smoke doesn't give them any room for that.

It's a gross over-simplification, sure, but that's pretty much the jist of it.

Employees also have the right to not work at said bar.  Never once was it brought up about employees except that bartenders said that they don't like serving the non-smokers' section because they get less action (ie tips) because , and this is not my words but the words of bartenders and the radio hosts, the smoking section is were the party is usually at in the bars.  So, bartenders also said that they make more tips in smoking bars than non-smoking bars, becuase they have more customers.

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[Pyru]

Pyru

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

It's not whether or not the staff is asking for it; it's the potential health risks to staff. And you say staff have a right not to work there - well, that goes for any job. Would you like health and safety to be completely scrapped at your job because you could choose to work somewhere else?

[Hoffy]

Hoffy

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

This bill passed in Australia ages ago. Apparently it was just "because Ireland did it".

I don't really see a problem with it, and it hasn't caused any issues in Australia recently. I guess everyone here took it like men, and got back to doing what Australia do best - drinking.

Hoffy.

[Pyru]

Pyru

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

This bill passed in Australia ages ago. Apparently it was just "because Ireland did it".

I don't really see a problem with it, and it hasn't caused any issues in Australia recently. I guess everyone here took it like men, and got back to doing what Australia do best - drinking.

'Tis true - the Irish and Aussies would never care about such a ban; while they might occassionally smoke while drinking, as long as no-one can stop them drinking, there's no harm in it.

[TheDarkJay]

TheDarkJay

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

It's illegal to smoke in a pub in England, and it's a godsend. I brake out in coughing fits if I'm inside a building and people are smoking, even if I'm in the non-smoking area and they aren't. If people want to smoke, sure, fine, I shouldn't have to suffer in any way over it though. They can go outside and smoke if they want to. If it's windy or raining? Tough !@#$%.

[NickAVV]

NickAVV

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

In Massachusetts and New York it's illegal to smoke in any public building and any public taxi cab. And nobody complained. They went into the smoking area places outside to slowly kill themselves without killing everyone else in the process.

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[Zero Beat]

Zero Beat

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

I dislike taking our freedoms.

So give me you're code and add mine:
Code: 4296-2644-3642

Sorry guys.  I just don't have the time anymore for the CP.  Working two jobs and just having a couple hours to play my Wii and continue learning programming just is not leaving me free time to focus on the CP.  I feel that it's my obligation to step aside as Level Director.  It's just a time issue.  Since I am also a global mod that also takes some of my focus from the CP.  So, it's nothing against anybody or what not, I'm just out of time anymore it seems.  Sorry again.

wtf, i remember posts that used to have content explaining reasons rather than ways to get rises out of users with a youtube video and no reason as to why!

How to post maturely:

epic intolerance, I caught aids from the stupidity in your post

why not issue everyone 5 opinion tokens for each year, if they voice their opinion without presenting a token- they can be legally murdered

Make sure every post you make is mature like these two (and there's many more). You just can't beat ZFGC's friendliness and maturity!

[Dantztron 3030]

Dantztron 3030

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

I don't smoke cigarettes myself, but I kinda agree with you.  Smokers have been kinda pushed out of EVERYWHERE, there are even street corners you can't smoke on lol-- bars were like... their place.  Sure smoking is bad for you, but who cares, just don't do it yourself, let other people do what they want :/

This. Smoking was also recently banned on my college campus, which SUCKS. I mean I agree it shouldn't be allowed in buildings, obviously. But seriously, what about designated smoking areas? It makes me so angry that people are so hostile to something that you can so easily avoid if you want to. And I smoke hookah on occasion, which also means this is outlawed now

well i dont have that system and it is very hard to care about everything when you are single

[Fraz]

Fraz

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

I agree, it's the business owner's right to decide what is done on THEIR private property.  That aside, have you heard about stage nights?  Apparently there's a loophole in a few states (or all of em) where it's legal to smoke in a bar or restaurant or other establishment provided you're an actor and you're in a performance.  So some bars are getting around the smoking ban by having 'stage nights' where all patrons are declared actors and bar is the 'stage'.

-M-SA-DA-UER-LFM-C-CC-

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[Ryan]

Ryan

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

!@#$% smoking.
It's a waste of money.
It's stupid.
It kills.

I hope to God that Canada and the US ban smoking all together.
I hate smoking and I don't want to see it in my country.

I don't care if you smoke. Not everyone that smokes is a !@#$%-bag but I don't get why people start in the first place.
It doesn't make you look cool and you're not cool if you need to smoke to fit in.

/end of pointless rant

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[Dracon]

Dracon

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

Smoking sucks !@#$% anyway.

QFT

And now after years of mocking him the pretending he played a massive part in our lives when really we couldn't care less just to ease our consciounse over said mocking healing can begin <_<

It's Steve Irwin all over again.

[Cuddle♥Bunny]

Cuddle♥Bunny

Re: Smoking ban in pubs/bars...are we serious?

It's been banned in public places here for quite a while, it's actually quite cool. I understand the complaints about the legislation, but it all works out.

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