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[Pyru]

Pyru

Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Okay, hear me out. If you read into the games, there's a lot of racist imagery. Lemme talk you through it:

The protagonist and damsel in distress are both Aryan. Both blonde, blue eyes, pale skin. The Hylians and Hyruleans - the people you fight to defend - are all white, and there are a surprisingly large number of blonde people, and relatively few with darker hair.
Hyrule is sometimes referred to as a "realm" - a word that mirrors the word used by the Nazis, "Lebensraum".
With that in mind, it becomes clear that Link serves as the military defender of this realm from outsiders. And all of these outsiders are racially different from Hylians:
Moblins are the clear example. Pig like, large, uncultured, disgusting. They are the visible sign of Hyrule's decay. Ironically, they seem to be a characteriture of the Nazi view of Jews: beastial and inhuman (though if you look beyond the surface, this clearly isn't the case - they are intelligent and have culture). By showing them as the pigs they find "unclean", it shows this minority as being hypocritical and greedy.
The Gerudo clearly reflect Muslims; the women wear viels, they come from a desert nation, and their symbol (in the original version of OoT) is the same as that used by most Islamic nations. Again, ironically, their society is shown to be chronically lacking in men; though able to defend themselves, their inherent femininity represents weakness. They are also shown as terrorists: the Gerudo attack - led by Ganondorf - on the castle, at the end of the "child" section of the game, involves the assassination of the King. They too are power hungry, unsophisticated (they live in an unfurnished cold, barren fortress - their land itself represents a lack of spirit, life, or power).

Link, the Aryan defender of the "realm" fights back all of these defenders, none of whom wield European weapons, instead using those inspired by Asian or Middle Eastern weapons, with his large gleaming weapon, that resembles a Zweihander, but with his enormous strength, he is able to wield it with a single hand. His courage and strength overcomes their greed for power.

So, yeah, that's only a single reading of it - not one that I feel is necessarily correct - but it certainly seems valid, huh?

[Mamoruanime]

Mamoruanime

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Okay, hear me out. If you read into the games, there's a lot of racist imagery. Lemme talk you through it:

The protagonist and damsel in distress are both Aryan. Both blonde, blue eyes, pale skin. The Hylians and Hyruleans - the people you fight to defend - are all white, and there are a surprisingly large number of blonde people, and relatively few with darker hair.
Hyrule is sometimes referred to as a "realm" - a word that mirrors the word used by the Nazis, "Lebensraum".
With that in mind, it becomes clear that Link serves as the military defender of this realm from outsiders. And all of these outsiders are racially different from Hylians:
Moblins are the clear example. Pig like, large, uncultured, disgusting. They are the visible sign of Hyrule's decay. Ironically, they seem to be a characteriture of the Nazi view of Jews: beastial and inhuman (though if you look beyond the surface, this clearly isn't the case - they are intelligent and have culture). By showing them as the pigs they find "unclean", it shows this minority as being hypocritical and greedy.
The Gerudo clearly reflect Muslims; the women wear viels, they come from a desert nation, and their symbol (in the original version of OoT) is the same as that used by most Islamic nations. Again, ironically, their society is shown to be chronically lacking in men;
though able to defend themselves, their inherent femininity represents weakness. They are also shown as terrorists: the Gerudo attack - led by Ganondorf - on the castle, at the end of the "child" section of the game, involves the assassination of the King. They too are power hungry, unsophisticated (they live in an unfurnished cold, barren fortress - their land itself represents a lack of spirit, life, or power).

Link, the Aryan defender of the "realm" fights back all of these defenders, none of whom wield European weapons, instead using those inspired by Asian or Middle Eastern weapons, with his large gleaming weapon, that resembles a Zweihander, but with his enormous strength, he is able to wield it with a single hand. His courage and strength overcomes their greed for power.

So, yeah, that's only a single reading of it - not one that I feel is necessarily correct - but it certainly seems valid, huh?

Link didn't have blond hair until OoT. So no, it's not a Nazi game series.

/thread

[TheDarkJay]

TheDarkJay

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

His pink hair in LttP could represent Hitler's theorised Bi/A/Homosexuality?

[Kyubi]

Kyubi

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Zelda has green hair.

Gannon-banned brother.

[Fox]

Fox

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

I didn't even read all of this.

Link is also like a warrior for christian beliefs.
And the Smurfs are nazis, too. Fighting off Azrael and Gargamel with their Jewish names.

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[Pyru]

Pyru

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Link didn't have blond hair until OoT. So no, it's not a Nazi game series.

/thread

aLttP was the only game where Link had pink hair. He had blonde hair in LA.

And in almost all of the series he's blonde.

Not only that, but Moblins and Ganondorf are present from the first game in the series. From the very start, Link has been a defender of the white inhabitants of Hyrule, but not of anyone else; he slaughters the other inhabitants of the nation.

[Mamoruanime]

Mamoruanime

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Link didn't have blond hair until OoT. So no, it's not a Nazi game series.

/thread

aLttP was the only game where Link had pink hair. He had blonde hair in LA.

And in almost all of the series he's blonde.

Not only that, but Moblins and Ganondorf are present from the first game in the series. From the very start, Link has been a defender of the white inhabitants of Hyrule, but not of anyone else; he slaughters the other inhabitants of the nation.

aLttP he only had pink hair in the game itself; not in the product art/comics based on it/promos/etc. Same with LA, if I'm not mistaken

[Giverny]

Giverny

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

The only racist is you, my freind. Just because you can think up a scenario where the developers suported nazis does not mean that it is true, especially if you have no proof.
 Just because link woul look better with blonde hair does not mean anybody is racist.Also, in WW he has black eyes and in LTTP he has brown hair(the sprite actually has pink hair olo)
The gerudos are based of amazonian culture if I remember correctly. Is Ganon supposed to be Mohammud or something?
The moblins are not jews, they are beasts that can walk.
Lemme geuss Oktorocs are also symbolistic to something nazis hated.

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[Kyubi]

Kyubi

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Link didn't have blond hair until OoT. So no, it's not a Nazi game series.

/thread

aLttP was the only game where Link had pink hair. He had blonde hair in LA.

And in almost all of the series he's blonde.

Not only that, but Moblins and Ganondorf are present from the first game in the series. From the very start, Link has been a defender of the white inhabitants of Hyrule, but not of anyone else; he slaughters the other inhabitants of the nation.

He saves the Zoras and Gorons- he is the sworn brother of the leader of the latter, and Gorons could be said to represent the black stereotype. He also earns the respect of the Gerudo tribe and saves their leader. Link is most likely Aryan to better reflect his elvish characteristics.

Gannon-banned brother.

[Pyru]

Pyru

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

The only racist is you, my freind. Just because you can think up a scenario where the developers suported nazis does not mean that it is true, especially if you have no proof.

Don't use the word proof when you don't know what it means.

And I'm not saying it's a correct reading, and it's certainly not the reading I support. But it's a reading, and it seems to be a valid reading.

Just because link woul look better with blonde hair does not mean anybody is racist.Also, in WW he has black eyes and in LTTP he has brown hair(the sprite actually has pink hair olo)

But there's a distinct lack of positively portrayed black, asian or muslim characters in the games. The protagonist never strays too far from an Aryan stereotype - he always has light hair, even if not blonde. The black eyes and pink hair are stylistic anyway.

The gerudos are based of amazonian culture if I remember correctly.

Nope, they're undeniably Islamic.

Is Ganon supposed to be Mohammud or something?

Nope, "just a terrorist".

The moblins are not jews, they are beasts that can walk.

They can speak, write, they have culture. And they are invaders, and you can't deny that they represent the decay in the Hylian society.

Lemme geuss Oktorocs are also symbolistic to something nazis hated.

Octorocks are symbolic of tasty octopus sushi.

He saves the Zoras and Gorons- he is the sworn brother of the leader of the latter, and Gorons could be said to represent the black stereotype. He also earns the respect of the Gerudo tribe and saves their leader. Link is most likely Aryan to better reflect his elvish characteristics.

But Gorons are violent, dim-witted, unable to defend themselves, and isolationist. Not only that, but Link's actions of fighting through the Goron's border defences are ultimately justified because he is shown as being ultimately superior than them, as they entirely unable to protect themselves from the slightest threat, despite their huge strength.
And if you're going down the "symbolic of black people" route, they eat rocks and dirt. Don't tell me that's a positive portrayal.

[शेफाली]

शेफाली

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Since when do Gorons eat dirt? And what's wrong with eating rocks?

[Pyru]

Pyru

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Since when do Gorons eat dirt? And what's wrong with eating rocks?

Dirt = rocks.

I know I rubbed the rock sirloin in a little dirt before I gave it to that guy in MM.... he sure didn't mind.

And it's... just not a positive portrayal, k? Trust me on this one.

[शेफाली]

शेफाली

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

So how 'bout them Gerudos? Clearly Irish, mirite?

[Giverny]

Giverny

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Where do moblins write?

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[शेफाली]

शेफाली

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Where do moblins write?

If they Moblins really were civilised in the games, then it clearly wouldn't be showing them in a negative light, so Pyro's theory would be busted. If the Moblns were meant to represent Jews from the Nazis point of view, they'd be shown more negatively.

[mit]

mit

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Just, no. There are so many inconsistencies and crap in that that I can't be bothered to point them all out. Just, no.

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[Giverny]

Giverny

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Gerudo
 
Nabooru, a member of the Gerudo tribe

The Gerudo (ゲルド (Gerudo?)) are a tribe of shrewd thieves who appear in Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Four Swords Adventures. Stylistically, many aspects of Gerudo dress, environment, and combat were probably inspired by Arabian culture. Functionally, they suggest Amazons.

In most instances, the Gerudo are depicted as desert-dwellers. In Ocarina of Time, the Gerudo guard their fortress near the Haunted Wasteland, which lies to the far west of Hyrule Castle; in Four Swords Adventures, they live in tents amid the Desert of Doubt; and in Twilight Princess (though the race itself does not appear in the game, Ganondorf excepted) the Gerudo Desert implies the race’s eponymous occupation of the region in the past. Majora's Mask stands alone as the only game in which the Gerudo do not reside in an utterly arid climate; instead, as pirates, they make their stead in a fortress on the coast of the Great Bay, west of Clocktown.

Perhaps the most peculiar attribute of the Gerudo race pertains to its gender distribution; with the exception of a single male born every hundred years, the race consists entirely of women. By Gerudo law, this man must become king of the tribe. [16] Ganondorf, the most notable Gerudo and chief antagonist of the series, is one such man and serves as both King and god of the Gerudo in Ocarina of Time.[17] Concordantly, Ganondorf stands as the only man whom the Gerudo do not find “useless” by default (Link gains Gerudo respect only after demonstrating his thieving skills by freeing the carpenters from Gerudo Fortress). [18] Despite their negative opinions of men, it is suggested that Gerudo are forced to seek out men from outside the tribe to procreate in light of their sexual deficit. [19]

Distinguishing physical traits of Gerudo typically include rich, bronzed skin (particularly evil members of the race, such as Twinrova and Ganondorf, have vaguely green-tinted skin), scarlet hair, aquiline noses, gold eyes, and — unlike the Hylia — round ears. The Twilight Princess character Telma resembles a Gerudo, however her true ethnicity is never revealed. Similarly, the pirate Jolene in Phantom Hourglass looks and acts like to a Gerudo, although she has black hair, instead of red.

It is implied in Twilight Princess that Ganondorf once led the Gerudo to establish dominion over the Sacred Realm, [20] though to apparent stymie. The Sages later tried to execute Ganondorf for his various crimes, but underestimated his power foolishly bringing him to the Mirror Chamber where he was able to revitalize his power and escape, setting in motion the events of the game.

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[Pyru]

Pyru

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

So how 'bout them Gerudos? Clearly Irish, mirite?

<__<

Where's the green?

Where do moblins write?

In Wind Waker, Maggie had you send letters to a Moblin named Moe. He wrote back.

Where do moblins write?

If they Moblins really were civilised in the games, then it clearly wouldn't be showing them in a negative light, so Pyro's theory would be busted. If the Moblns were meant to represent Jews from the Nazis point of view, they'd be shown more negatively.

I'm not Pyro. Okay? Distinct difference in names, I've been a member of the forum longer than he has, it's not hard to get it right. Jeeze.
Anyway, in the letter he writes that he wants to eat Maggie. She misinterpretes that as being romantic, but he actually wants to eat her.

Just, no. There are so many inconsistencies and crap in that that I can't be bothered to point them all out. Just, no.

Not really. It seems to be an over all theme.

combat were probably inspired by Arabian culture. Functionally, they suggest Amazons.

Functionally. Not stylistically. Stylistically, they are Islamic. Look at the frikkin' moon and star banners, people. The same symbol on the flag of virtually every Islamic nation in the world.

And note:

Distinguishing physical traits of Gerudo typically include rich, bronzed skin (particularly evil members of the race, such as Twinrova and Ganondorf, have vaguely green-tinted skin), scarlet hair, aquiline noses, gold eyes, and — unlike the Hylia — round ears. The Twilight Princess character Telma resembles a Gerudo, however her true ethnicity is never revealed.

Apart from the red hair and gold eyes, sounds like a representation of someone of Middle Eastern descent.

[शेफाली]

शेफाली

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Gerudo
 
Nabooru, a member of the Gerudo tribe

The Gerudo (ゲルド (Gerudo?)) are a tribe of shrewd thieves who appear in Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Four Swords Adventures. Stylistically, many aspects of Gerudo dress, environment, and combat were probably inspired by Arabian culture. Functionally, they suggest Amazons.

In most instances, the Gerudo are depicted as desert-dwellers. In Ocarina of Time, the Gerudo guard their fortress near the Haunted Wasteland, which lies to the far west of Hyrule Castle; in Four Swords Adventures, they live in tents amid the Desert of Doubt; and in Twilight Princess (though the race itself does not appear in the game, Ganondorf excepted) the Gerudo Desert implies the race’s eponymous occupation of the region in the past. Majora's Mask stands alone as the only game in which the Gerudo do not reside in an utterly arid climate; instead, as pirates, they make their stead in a fortress on the coast of the Great Bay, west of Clocktown.

Perhaps the most peculiar attribute of the Gerudo race pertains to its gender distribution; with the exception of a single male born every hundred years, the race consists entirely of women. By Gerudo law, this man must become king of the tribe. [16] Ganondorf, the most notable Gerudo and chief antagonist of the series, is one such man and serves as both King and god of the Gerudo in Ocarina of Time.[17] Concordantly, Ganondorf stands as the only man whom the Gerudo do not find “useless” by default (Link gains Gerudo respect only after demonstrating his thieving skills by freeing the carpenters from Gerudo Fortress). [18] Despite their negative opinions of men, it is suggested that Gerudo are forced to seek out men from outside the tribe to procreate in light of their sexual deficit. [19]

Distinguishing physical traits of Gerudo typically include rich, bronzed skin (particularly evil members of the race, such as Twinrova and Ganondorf, have vaguely green-tinted skin), scarlet hair, aquiline noses, gold eyes, and — unlike the Hylia — round ears. The Twilight Princess character Telma resembles a Gerudo, however her true ethnicity is never revealed. Similarly, the pirate Jolene in Phantom Hourglass looks and acts like to a Gerudo, although she has black hair, instead of red.

It is implied in Twilight Princess that Ganondorf once led the Gerudo to establish dominion over the Sacred Realm, [20] though to apparent stymie. The Sages later tried to execute Ganondorf for his various crimes, but underestimated his power foolishly bringing him to the Mirror Chamber where he was able to revitalize his power and escape, setting in motion the events of the game.

I don't know what point you're trying to make, but try going somewhere other than Wikipedia for "facts".

[SlimmyG]

SlimmyG

Re: Is Zelda a Nazi game series?

Gerudo
 
Nabooru, a member of the Gerudo tribe

The Gerudo (ゲルド (Gerudo?)) are a tribe of shrewd thieves who appear in Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Four Swords Adventures. Stylistically, many aspects of Gerudo dress, environment, and combat were probably inspired by Arabian culture. Functionally, they suggest Amazons.

In most instances, the Gerudo are depicted as desert-dwellers. In Ocarina of Time, the Gerudo guard their fortress near the Haunted Wasteland, which lies to the far west of Hyrule Castle; in Four Swords Adventures, they live in tents amid the Desert of Doubt; and in Twilight Princess (though the race itself does not appear in the game, Ganondorf excepted) the Gerudo Desert implies the race’s eponymous occupation of the region in the past. Majora's Mask stands alone as the only game in which the Gerudo do not reside in an utterly arid climate; instead, as pirates, they make their stead in a fortress on the coast of the Great Bay, west of Clocktown.

Perhaps the most peculiar attribute of the Gerudo race pertains to its gender distribution; with the exception of a single male born every hundred years, the race consists entirely of women. By Gerudo law, this man must become king of the tribe. [16] Ganondorf, the most notable Gerudo and chief antagonist of the series, is one such man and serves as both King and god of the Gerudo in Ocarina of Time.[17] Concordantly, Ganondorf stands as the only man whom the Gerudo do not find “useless” by default (Link gains Gerudo respect only after demonstrating his thieving skills by freeing the carpenters from Gerudo Fortress). [18] Despite their negative opinions of men, it is suggested that Gerudo are forced to seek out men from outside the tribe to procreate in light of their sexual deficit. [19]

Distinguishing physical traits of Gerudo typically include rich, bronzed skin (particularly evil members of the race, such as Twinrova and Ganondorf, have vaguely green-tinted skin), scarlet hair, aquiline noses, gold eyes, and — unlike the Hylia — round ears. The Twilight Princess character Telma resembles a Gerudo, however her true ethnicity is never revealed. Similarly, the pirate Jolene in Phantom Hourglass looks and acts like to a Gerudo, although she has black hair, instead of red.

It is implied in Twilight Princess that Ganondorf once led the Gerudo to establish dominion over the Sacred Realm, [20] though to apparent stymie. The Sages later tried to execute Ganondorf for his various crimes, but underestimated his power foolishly bringing him to the Mirror Chamber where he was able to revitalize his power and escape, setting in motion the events of the game.

I don't know what point you're trying to make, but try going somewhere other than Wikipedia for "facts".

The point hes making is that the gerudo have more influence from Amazonian culture than islamic.

As has been stated, link originally had brown hair, I can say why it was changed though, but his being being blonde and blue eyed doesnt mean nintendo are making a Nazi game. And He and Zelda are pretty much alone in this being Aryan, but surely thats so they stand out as different from the rest, as theyre main characters?

They can speak, write, they have culture. And they are invaders, and you can't deny that they represent the decay in the Hylian society.

True but this doesnt mean theyre a represtentation of Jews.

But Gorons are violent, dim-witted, unable to defend themselves, and isolationist.

Well except for Link theyre the most able bodied species (Darmani anyone? Darunia? Darbus? Big ass muscly guys who are said to be good at fighting usually, jsut no in circumstance that we see them in...)
The goron elder in MM and all of the elders in TP are clever and wise (ie. NOT dim witted)
In TP you have gorons IN hyrule castle town, and they obviously have a good relationship with Kakariko. In MM you have the one that stays in the inn. so some are sociable.

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