What's up with the Gerudo symbol?

Chesu Carrot	What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « on: July 19, 2008, 08:44:05 pm »
Power! Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 155	I'll cut right to the chase. In OoT, there were symbols representing each race. Deku Shields have the Kokiri Emerald symbol, Gorons have the Goron's Ruby tattooed on them, an emblem like the Zora's Sapphire is in King Zora's throne room, the Shiekah carved the Lens of Truth into rubbery stones, the Gerudo signs and flags are adorned with the moon and star from the Mirror Shield, and the Hylians.. well, they put the Triforce onto anything within reach. However, after OoT's release, the Gerudo symbol was changed to sort of a face, or mask. Possibly a wrench in secure storage. Whatever it is, it appeared in a few places in the Pirate's Fortress in MM, and on Twinrova's servants Onox and Veran in the Oracle games. My question is, what could this be based on? Is it a reference to something from A Link to the Past that I'm forgetting? Does anyone have any ideas? (..and no, it doesn't really look like the entrance to the dungeon in the Desert of Mystery.) Logged
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Mirby Drifter	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #1 on: July 19, 2008, 08:48:45 pm »
To bomb or not to bomb... Reputation: +6/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 4162	I think they changed it in OoT from the Moon and Star to avoid offending Muslims. Logged
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Porkchop	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #2 on: July 19, 2008, 08:58:54 pm »
Super Hero Time! Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 4859	Yeah, they changed it cause Muslims were bitching, just like they bitched about the original Fire Temple's music. I don't think it's related to anything in the past. Logged
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Kylink	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #3 on: July 19, 2008, 09:10:01 pm »
Don't Worry Sir, I'm From The Internet. Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 2339	Quote from: Pyro on July 19, 2008, 08:58:54 pm Yeah, they changed it cause Muslims were bitching, just like they bitched about the original Fire Temple's music. I don't think it's related to anything in the past. Somewhere in the Fire Temple music, the original voice chants said something like "I bear witness that there is no god but Allah" or something. It offended their religion, plus the Muslim symbols seemed to typify the Muslim religion as a random desert religion. Logged
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Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol?

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Quote from: Pyro on July 19, 2008, 08:58:54 pm
Yeah, they changed it cause Muslims were bitching, just like they bitched about the original Fire Temple's music.

I don't think it's related to anything in the past.
Somewhere in the Fire Temple music, the original voice chants said something like "I bear witness that there is no god but Allah" or something. It offended their religion, plus the Muslim symbols seemed to typify the Muslim religion as a random desert religion.

Woah, thats freaky, after to listening to the soundtrack on my pc that weird chant isn't there, I swear they were just mumbling

Koji Kondo is a muslim I guess

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Mirby Drifter	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #5 on: July 19, 2008, 09:36:23 pm »
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शेफाली Shefali	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #6 on: July 19, 2008, 09:43:02 pm »
虫めづる姫君 Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Posts: 2990	To me, the new symbol kind of resembles one of Twinrova's faces. Logged

Chesu Carrot	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #7 on: July 19, 2008, 09:59:37 pm »
Power! Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 155	Ah... I didn't ask why the symbol was changed. I'm well aware of the whole Islam thing, I was there when the controversy initially erupted (though I didn't find out about the Fire Temple thing until I played Master Quest in 2005). What I'm asking is what the symbol could represent. I've looked at it plenty of times, recreated it in pixels once or twice... but before today, I've never thought about what it means. Nintendo artists/directors/whoever had to have gotten it from somewhere. Logged
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Kylink	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #8 on: July 19, 2008, 10:41:20 pm »
Don't Worry Sir, I'm From The Internet. Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 2339	Quote from: Chesu on July 19, 2008, 09:59:37 pm Ah... I didn't ask why the symbol was changed. I'm well aware of the whole Islam thing, I was there when the controversy initially erupted (though I didn't find out about the Fire Temple thing until I played Master Quest in 2005). What I'm asking is what the symbol could represent. I've looked at it plenty of times, recreated it in pixels once or twice... but before today, I've never thought about what it means. Nintendo artists/directors/whoever had to have gotten it from somewhere. None of the symbols make any sense. The only one I can think of is the fire temple symbol is like a fireball. But look at the following. It seems that the spiritual stones of the Zora and Kokiri have become the symbols of that tribe, while the gorons have a sort of paw-type symbol. There doesn't seem to be any real correlation to most of the symbols in the Zelda series besides looking cool. Logged
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Hoffy Hero of Fire	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #9 on: July 20, 2008, 01:53:22 am »
Silly cat! Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 3313	I always thought the new Gerudo symbol (which, in Master Quest was placed on all of the blocks, switches etc.) kind of resembled the "Spectacle Rock" thing Nintendo always seem to fit into a lot of their Zelda games. The two circles represent the "spectacles", as it were from Legend of Zelda, and A Link to the Past, and I think it was in Link's Awakening too. And then in Ocarina's Death Mountain Crater you had the two big rocks, and then in Wind Waker you had the Spectacle Rock Isle. That's what I always thought it was, anyway. Logged
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Kylink	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #10 on: July 20, 2008, 01:55:43 am »
Don't Worry Sir, I'm From The Internet. Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 2339	Quote from: Hoffy on July 20, 2008, 01:53:22 am I always thought the new Gerudo symbol (which, in Master Quest was placed on all of the blocks, switches etc.) kind of resembled the "Spectacle Rock" thing Nintendo always seem to fit into a lot of their Zelda games. The two circles represent the "spectacles", as it were from Legend of Zelda, and A Link to the Past, and I think it was in Link's Awakening too. And then in Ocarina's Death Mountain Crater you had the two big rocks, and then in Wind Waker you had the Spectacle Rock Isle. That's what I always thought it was, anyway. It's probably just a coincidence, but that's a cool idea. Logged
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Chesu Carrot	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #11 on: July 20, 2008, 02:52:44 am »
Power! Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 155	Quote from: Kylink on July 19, 2008, 10:41:20 pm None of the symbols make any sense. The only one I can think of is the fire temple symbol is like a fireball. But look at the following. It seems that the spiritual stones of the Zora and Kokiri have become the symbols of that tribe, while the gorons have a sort of paw-type symbol. ...Ah.. I'm talking about the symbols that represent the races, not the medallions. The medallions are tied to the sages, as seen in TP, not the races. I don't know what you mean about a "paw-type symbol".. are you referring to the tattoo? I've never met a person who didn't think that the tattoo was a stylized version of the Goron's Ruby. I've met a person or two who didn't see the Kokiri's Emerald on the Deku Shield (seriously. oh, internet...), but never one who thought the Goron tattoo was a paw. Logged
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Kylink	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #12 on: July 20, 2008, 04:22:00 pm »
Don't Worry Sir, I'm From The Internet. Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 2339	Quote from: Chesu on July 20, 2008, 02:52:44 am Quote from: Kylink on July 19, 2008, 10:41:20 pm None of the symbols make any sense. The only one I can think of is the fire temple symbol is like a fireball. But look at the following. It seems that the spiritual stones of the Zora and Kokiri have become the symbols of that tribe, while the gorons have a sort of paw-type symbol. ...Ah.. I'm talking about the symbols that represent the races, not the medallions. The medallions are tied to the sages, as seen in TP, not the races. I don't know what you mean about a "paw-type symbol".. are you referring to the tattoo? I've never met a person who didn't think that the tattoo was a stylized version of the Goron's Ruby. I've met a person or two who didn't see the Kokiri's Emerald on the Deku Shield (seriously. oh, internet...), but never one who thought the Goron tattoo was a paw. I realize it's probably the Goron's Ruby, just wtf it doesn't look anything like it. Where did the three spikes come from? And remember, it's not always easy to see stuff on N64 graphics. I actually never looked at the tatoo on the drawings of the Gorons. I just always assumed it looked like a paw (I thought it was more rounded). I knew it wasn't actually a paw, it just looked like one. Logged
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Chesu Carrot	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #13 on: July 20, 2008, 04:53:06 pm »
Power! Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 155	Quote from: Kylink on July 20, 2008, 04:22:00 pm I realize it's probably the Goron's Ruby, just wtf it doesn't look anything like it. Where did the three spikes come from? And remember, it's not always easy to see stuff on N64 graphics. I actually never looked at the tatoo on the drawings of the Gorons. I just always assumed it looked like a paw (I thought it was more rounded). I knew it wasn't actually a paw, it just looked like one. Where did the spikes come from? There are already three points on the top of the Goron's Ruby, they didn't come from anywhere. Like I said, it's stylized... and that's nothing compared to how embellished the Gerudo symbol on Zan't costume is. Logged
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Kylink	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #14 on: July 20, 2008, 05:10:36 pm »
Don't Worry Sir, I'm From The Internet. Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 2339	Quote from: Chesu on July 20, 2008, 04:53:06 pm Quote from: Kylink on July 20, 2008, 04:22:00 pm I realize it's probably the Goron's Ruby, just wtf it doesn't look anything like it. Where did the three spikes come from? And remember, it's not always easy to see stuff on N64 graphics. I actually never looked at the tatoo on the drawings of the Gorons. I just always assumed it looked like a paw (I thought it was more rounded). I knew it wasn't actually a paw, it just looked like one. Where did the spikes come from? There are already three points on the top of the Goron's Ruby, they didn't come from anywhere. Heh, I guess you're right, my bad. I just never looked at the symbol that closely. Logged
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zelda fan gamer	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #15 on: July 20, 2008, 05:20:54 pm »
is Awesome Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 185	well, here's my view on it: You know Ganon, right, Ganon is Ganondorf's second form. Ganondorf came from the Gerudo Desert, and in the later games Ganon has been the main villian. That may cause the Gerudo symbols in the later games. May not be correct, but it's ok to guess. $:-\$ Logged
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Kylink	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #16 on: July 20, 2008, 05:28:58 pm »
Don't Worry Sir, I'm From The Internet. Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 2339	Quote from: zelda fan gamer on July 20, 2008, 05:20:54 pm well, here's my view on it: You know Ganon, right, Ganon is Ganondorf's second form. Ganondorf came from the Gerudo Desert, and in the later games Ganon has been the main villian. That may cause the Gerudo symbols in the later games. May not be correct, but it's ok to guess. $:-\$ I think the reason that Zant has it is because Show content the Twili are rumored to be the Gerudo . And Onox has it because he is based off of an Iron Knuckle, which came from Gerudo Desert in OoT. Logged
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Chesu Carrot	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #17 on: July 20, 2008, 06:34:35 pm »
Power! Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 155	Quote from: zelda fan gamer on July 20, 2008, 05:20:54 pm well, here's my view on it: You know Ganon, right, Ganon is Ganondorf's second form. Ganondorf came from the Gerudo Desert, and in the later games Ganon has been the main villian. That may cause the Gerudo symbols in the later games. May not be correct, but it's ok to guess. $:-\$ Well... that would make sense, if the symbol looked like Ganon. What I'm more interested in, though, is where the game's developers got the idea for it. Quote from: Kylink on July 20, 2008, 05:28:58 pm I think the reason that Zant has it is because Show content the Twili are rumored to be the Gerudo . And Onox has it because he is based off of an Iron Knuckle, which came from Gerudo Desert in OoT. I'm pretty sure that Onox and Veran have the Gerudo symbol because they're being controlled by, and got all of their powers from, Twinrova. Logged
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Porkchop	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #18 on: July 20, 2008, 06:38:26 pm »
Super Hero Time! Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 4859	I'm just going to take a guess here and say that the design was most likely random. I mean, there may be a meaning behind it now, but I guarantee at first it was just a random design someone came up with. Same with the Goron Symbol, Kokiri Symbol, etc. Are there really meaning behind those? Other than that they look similar to the stones? The same question could be asked for those, where did they come up with those designs? Logged
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Kylink	Re: What's up with the Gerudo symbol? « Reply #19 on: July 20, 2008, 06:56:35 pm »
Don't Worry Sir, I'm From The Internet. Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 2339	Quote from: Pyro on July 20, 2008, 06:38:26 pm I'm just going to take a guess here and say that the design was most likely random. I mean, there may be a meaning behind it now, but I guarantee at first it was just a random design someone came up with. Same with the Goron Symbol, Kokiri Symbol, etc. Are there really meaning behind those? Other than that they look similar to the stones? The same question could be asked for those, where did they come up with those designs? I agree, it probably just looked cool. This isn't some extensive Norse mythology or something, it's The Legend of Zelda. Logged
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