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Child Abuse

I was at the library not long ago, ok. While I was there, I figured I'd get some time in on the 'net. Well, while I was there, I saw a family come in. A typical family, ok. But, things became ugly. The father decided it would be fun to hit the kids on the head because they couldn't decide which movie to get. Later, he pulled their hair, and said some very vulgar things to them, and even made death threats. Unfortunatley, I didn't have my cell phone. Otherwise, I'd have child services all over his ass.

So my question is: what do you think of child abuse? I, personally, think it's horrific. In fact, I want punishments so severe for it that no one would want to risk it. Things like death.

Post your opinions.

The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone thought to themselves "You know, I really want to set those people over there on fire." - George Carlin

(!@#$%)

Hear the haunting words (They'll find you alone)
lost children with no heart are crying (Turning their hearts into stone)
and you're the lost mother they're calling
Go now, run and hide (seek more than vengeance)
I hear them crying at night (your pain is their satisfaction)
outside when the planets are falling (for the rest of time)
They want to feel and know you hear them (Go now, run and hide)

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[2awesome4apossum]

2awesome4apossum

Re: Child Abuse

You should have seen if you could have used the library's phone

Anyhow, it depends what aspect of child abuse.

I think that child rapists deserve life in prison.  Period.  I think that those stupid probation comittees also ought to be kept out of the matter.

"It's a disease though, you heartless jerk!"

Well, disease or not, we all have the ability to control our actions, and if someone rapes and/or kills a kid, then that person is evil.  Period.  I mean, sure we all have kinda "off" desires sometimes, but that's no excuse to act on them.

And as for the "second chance, you heartless jerk" argument, all I have to say is that they've permanently damaged a child for the rest of their life (or even took away their life), and that's deserving of being locked up forever.

Now as for simple violence against a child, certainly jail time should be a must, IMO.  Although no harm in giving your kid a "spanking" or a little whap on the head as a reminder, but when it gets brutal and overly violent, you're talking about a serious offense.

I have no tolerance for those who abuse children, and no one else should either.

EDIT: And for multiple offenses of child rape/murder, capital punishment ought to be the answer.

[Dantztron 3030]

Dantztron 3030

Re: Child Abuse

You should have seen if you could have used the library's phone

Anyhow, it depends what aspect of child abuse.

I think that child rapists deserve life in prison.  Period.  I think that those stupid probation comittees also ought to be kept out of the matter.

"It's a disease though, you heartless jerk!"

Well, disease or not, we all have the ability to control our actions, and if someone rapes and/or kills a kid, then that person is evil.  Period.  I mean, sure we all have kinda "off" desires sometimes, but that's no excuse to act on them.

And as for the "second chance, you heartless jerk" argument, all I have to say is that they've permanently damaged a child for the rest of their life (or even took away their life), and that's deserving of being locked up forever.

Now as for simple violence against a child, certainly jail time should be a must, IMO.  Although no harm in giving your kid a "spanking" or a little whap on the head as a reminder, but when it gets brutal and overly violent, you're talking about a serious offense.

I have no tolerance for those who abuse children, and no one else should either.

EDIT: And for multiple offenses of child rape/murder, capital punishment ought to be the answer.

Just curious, what are your opinions on chemical castration for child rapists? We were discussing the issue today in Contemporary Law and Justice class with my heavily conservative teacher, and I'm kind of split on it.

And all child rapists, no matter what, deserve to be locked up. As always I'm staunchly against the death penalty, even for the lowest scum of humanity like that.

well i dont have that system and it is very hard to care about everything when you are single

[2awesome4apossum]

2awesome4apossum

Re: Child Abuse

Just curious, what are your opinions on chemical castration for child rapists? We were discussing the issue today in Contemporary Law and Justice class with my heavily conservative teacher, and I'm kind of split on it.

It's hard to form an opinion over something so drastic.  You might say "well you're for capital punishment", but I think that's different.  This almost seems like "second chance" mutilation.

It's a really odd concept, that I'm excited to discuss in my AP Government class (yes, it's in the book-- so we'd better discuss it), but as of yet I'm not declaring my opinion (albeit, I DO have one... it's just limited).

Anywho, I'd rather seen them locked up forever anyway, because many child rapists use rake handles and the likes to force up a little girl's genitals... I don't think that casturating them would solve that problem

I don't think it's exactly the sex that drives them to do it (although it could be a part of it), but the idea that they want to FEEL something.

Why do rapists kill their victims oftentimes?  Well, I've researched, and it doesn't seem to me like they're trying to cover up their crime-- it's because they want to FEEL more and more, and more, and more.

As always I'm staunchly against the death penalty, even for the lowest scum of humanity like that.

I'm cool with that (I'd try to start arguing that, but there's nothing to argue-- besides I wouldn't want to get off-topic ), but what do you think about the comittees who get together (who were NEVER ELECTED) that goes and decides whether the criminal's "behaving well" and deserves a "second chance in society"?

[Dantztron 3030]

Dantztron 3030

Re: Child Abuse

As always I'm staunchly against the death penalty, even for the lowest scum of humanity like that.

I'm cool with that (I'd try to start arguing that, but there's nothing to argue-- besides I wouldn't want to get off-topic ), but what do you think about the comittees who get together (who were NEVER ELECTED) that goes and decides whether the criminal's "behaving well" and deserves a "second chance in society"?

BS. You screw up, you get locked up. Period.

well i dont have that system and it is very hard to care about everything when you are single

[jackofalltrades]

jackofalltrades

Re: Child Abuse

Death would be mercy if I had my way with them.

Seriously.

I am not kidding here. This is what I would do: Lock them in a cage in the middle of an empty field and make them eat their own fesis. No roof, no shelter. And everyday, they would have to give the child they abused anything the child asked for. They might even have to wipe the child's butt and eat it, I don't care.

But like I said, death would be mercy.

Just kinda moseying along.

[TheDarkJay]

TheDarkJay

Re: Child Abuse

I have the perfect punishment.

We put them in a room, tied to a chair hooked up to a heating system. Every minute we turn the heat in the chair up, until it's a hot as a branding iron. When they have been scolded for life, we turn off the chair and cover them in ice cold water.

Then we turn off all the lights, so that the only thing visible is a illuminated sign saying "You have this much time left to live:" and a count down, starting at 24 hours and counting down by the second.

So they just sit there, watching the clock, wondering what is going to happen. Will it be worse that the heating chair? No-one knows...

When it gets down to the last second, we turn on all the lights and yell "Surprise". If they don't die from a heart attack, we hit them in the face with a large pie. Sit back, I'll laugh, pretend it's all a joke. Then we launch them into a false sense of security by saying "You've one one million pounds!". Then we bring out the hobbo, razors and salt...

We put one large cut on their body every 15 minutes, then have the hobbo befoul the cut with his grubby fingers, whilst pouring salt into the cut at the same time!

I could go on, but you've probably had enough of my twisted form of punishment for one night.

[cb43569]

cb43569

Re: Child Abuse

Yes... yes, we have ...

[Kame]

Kame

Re: Child Abuse

Death would be mercy if I had my way with them.

Seriously.

I am not kidding here. This is what I would do: Lock them in a cage in the middle of an empty field and make them eat their own fesis. No roof, no shelter. And everyday, they would have to give the child they abused anything the child asked for. They might even have to wipe the child's butt and eat it, I don't care.

But like I said, death would be mercy.

Hold on a second. Since they abused a child, you're going to torture them. Dude, that's abuse beyond any level of anywhere-near common child abuse as far as I know.

Also, I believe chemical castration is a fitting punishment for rapists/child rapists. It prevents those people from comitting the crimes again. unfortunately, if the person truly idolizes or fetishes it, then they'll probably eventually do something else to sexually abuse the poor kids.

Child abuse is a sick, sick thing, but God knows we can all understand how/why it would and does happen.

I have the perfect punishment.

We put them in a room, tied to a chair hooked up to a heating system. Every minute we turn the heat in the chair up, until it's a hot as a branding iron. When they have been scolded for life, we turn off the chair and cover them in ice cold water.

Then we turn off all the lights, so that the only thing visible is a illuminated sign saying "You have this much time left to live:" and a count down, starting at 24 hours and counting down by the second.

So they just sit there, watching the clock, wondering what is going to happen. Will it be worse that the heating chair? No-one knows...

When it gets down to the last second, we turn on all the lights and yell "Surprise". If they don't die from a heart attack, we hit them in the face with a large pie. Sit back, I'll laugh, pretend it's all a joke. Then we launch them into a false sense of security by saying "You've one one million pounds!". Then we bring out the hobbo, razors and salt...

We put one large cut on their body every 15 minutes, then have the hobbo befoul the cut with his grubby fingers, whilst pouring salt into the cut at the same time!

I could go on, but you've probably had enough of my twisted form of punishment for one night.

Once again, this is the worst thing you could do. Torture as punishment for lesser torture. nuh-uh.

[TheDarkJay]

TheDarkJay

Re: Child Abuse

It'd make good TV though

Plus if you do that a few times, then people would get the message that if they do it, then they will be truly !@#$%. Fear is the one and only true control, all others are illusions we allow to be set up until the time comes to tear it down. Albeit fear is also an illusion we can tear down, but it's a damn sight harder to do so.

Or maybe I'm the ony person who doesn't 'misbehave' because the reward isn't worth the risk/sacrifice...

[King Tetiro]

King Tetiro

Re: Child Abuse

Violence is harsh and should not be tolerated.

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[Sir Cyrus]

Sir Cyrus

Re: Child Abuse

Well, I live in the North-East of England. Things tend to get pretty rough up here, and I see what can be classified as child abuse a lot.
The other day I was walking home and saw a couple threatening their daughter who was walking up the street with them. The mother started shouting and slapped her, then the male started bitching and laughing at her. I was 90% sure that the man wasn't her real father. I now really feel horrible that I didn't do anything.
I live near an infants and junior (4-11) school, so a lot of things happen around there. I swear, I really wish all these 19-year-old Chavs would learn some goddamn parenting skills. It also sickens me how the children there are gradually turning into their parents, six-year-olds cursing at each other and fighting each other.
It's sad, really. When I was their age I wouldn't have said or done half the things they do now...

[jackofalltrades]

jackofalltrades

Re: Child Abuse

Sorry if you think my punishment has gone too far. But I don't. Yes, torture for torture.

Just kinda moseying along.

[Venus]

Venus

Re: Child Abuse

Pedophiles are human too. Pedophiles just have a sexual preference. There are pedophiles who don't rape. There are many pedophiles that get punished because they possess cartoon or drawn pictures of young people (lolicon), where absolutely no one has been harmed (the only reason they get punished is because they are not considered morally right). Also the wrong person IMO is punished when a pedophile get punished for possessing porn with real young people. I.e. I think it should be illegal to make porn with younger people (unless they agree on what they do, which on another note I doubt most would do), but not to actually ..ehm.. "use" it.

The keyword is educating. Educate about how to handle the situation. There are no evil people, only people with preferences (doesn't matter why they have a preference, or what). Inform about the harmless alternatives and inform the facts not (just) the conclusions.

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[Last Wizard of TheCentury]

Last Wizard of TheCentury

Re: Child Abuse

What a DICK thats all I have to say I wouldn't have tolerated that Cronian
I would have walked up and socked that motherfucker in the face

[TheDarkJay]

TheDarkJay

Re: Child Abuse

I know many Psychologists who say the phrase "Once a pedophilliac, always a pedophilliac.", and that these people cannot be helped. Sure, they may behave in prison, but in prison they aren't any children, are they? Let them out, and they will become a repeat offender. Sure the odd one might, but the odd Mosquito might not carry Malaria, and might never do so, but we still spray every one we see.

You say that a Pedophile is a human. But a Murderer is a human, a serial killer is a human, a serial rapist is a human. Are you saying we should show someone who has killed twenty people and doesn't care an ounce of compassion? Of course we shouldn't! Then why show any for someone who has raped kids, and cannot change because they see nothing wrong with what they are doing?

They are making others suffer, and will continue to do so unless stopped, and unfortunately stopping them takes something more than a slap on the wrists.

[Venus]

Venus

Re: Child Abuse

I know many Psychologists who say the phrase "Once a pedophilliac, always a pedophilliac.", and that these people cannot be helped. Sure, they may behave in prison, but in prison they aren't any children, are they? Let them out, and they will become a repeat offender. Sure the odd one might, but the odd Mosquito might not carry Malaria, and might never do so, but we still spray every one we see.

You say that a Pedophile is a human. But a Murderer is a human, a serial killer is a human, a serial rapist is a human. Are you saying we should show someone who has killed twenty people and doesn't care an ounce of compassion? Of course we shouldn't! Then why show any for someone who has raped kids, and cannot change because they see nothing wrong with what they are doing?

They are making others suffer, and will continue to do so unless stopped, and unfortunately stopping them takes something more than a slap on the wrists.

The problem is that society is so naive when punishing them. Be it a slap on the wrist, prison or death. The thing is that pedophiles often know what wrong they do. But they also know that they can't satisfy themselves sexually without breaking the law. Having a crappy life in general and nothing more to do it could be well worth it (death sentence would just be a relief in that case anyway). You all who like physical harm as punishment; it's nothing of worth. You know; if a guy has mental problems, he actully feels better mentally when he also gets physical problems (you know the whole cut yourself deal).

Murderers are created by society. Most often we wait for the murderer to commit the crime before we take action. What if we made sure no one became a murderer to begin with? Many murderers are people who are mentally unstable but can't get help unless they commit a crime. It's ridiculous. In the end they get the help (plus in most cases punishment) but at the price of someone else's life (and don't allow me to call the punishment as "change"). It's selfish yes, but then again, human was constucted to be so (and add mentally unstable to that you get the picture...).

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Re: Child Abuse

Wow, this topic still exists? Hm...

Anyway, the only sure way to prevent pedophiles from raping kids or a murderer from killing someone is to enforce ridiculously harsh punishments for them. Hell, even smaller crimes like theft needs harsh punishments. Simply slapping them on the wrist and saying "bad boy" will only accomplish one thing: giving the criminal the knowledge that he can get away with it.

The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone thought to themselves "You know, I really want to set those people over there on fire." - George Carlin

(!@#$%)

Hear the haunting words (They'll find you alone)
lost children with no heart are crying (Turning their hearts into stone)
and you're the lost mother they're calling
Go now, run and hide (seek more than vengeance)
I hear them crying at night (your pain is their satisfaction)
outside when the planets are falling (for the rest of time)
They want to feel and know you hear them (Go now, run and hide)

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[TomPel]

TomPel

Re: Child Abuse

What a DICK thats all I have to say I wouldn't have tolerated that Cronian
I would have walked up and socked that motherfunker in the face

Yeah, sure you would. They'd propably call the cops and you'd be the only one who goes to jail.
Now, as far as i'm concerned, child abuse is always wrong no matter what (duh).
But, i'm not so sure with the punishments...
I mean, there are so many types of child abuse.
I personally don't believe in death penalties, as i don't think anyone deserves to die.
Torturing? Definetely not!
The punishments depend so much on the case. Some adults teach their childs with physical punishments.
Could that be called child abusing? In some cases, yes, but usually not.
They usually grow up just fine and some even thank later that they got such raising (at least they're not bitching around).
And what goes to the sexual abusing, i think that is just sick and wrong and should be punished with a LONG time in jail.
Or mental hospital. I don't know if it could be considered  into a mental disease (in some cases, maybe).

.TakaM was here

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[jackofalltrades]

jackofalltrades

Re: Child Abuse

Pedophiles are human too. Pedophiles just have a sexual preference.

No. No, they aren't.

Just kinda moseying along.