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General => Other Discussion => Boards => Archive => Debates => Topic started by: Swoftu on December 08, 2008, 03:12:58 am
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Wii = non-games
PS3 = lol
360 = PC with downs
Discuss.
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It is up to us to restore glory to the gaming world. That's why we're here. It is our destiny! :P
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Seriously Swifty? This is the best troll topic you can make?
Weeeeeak.
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I wasn't trolling, I was speaking truth. This console gen is underwhelming.
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Well luckily PC gaming is oka-
dammit
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I wasn't trolling.
I'm straight, George Bush is capable of counting past 10 without taking off his shoes, and Superman 64 is the best !@#$% game ever.
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Well luckily PC gaming is okay with superior versions of console games, and game like Left 4 Dead and TF2.
dammit, PC gaming is awesome
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Yes but there are many games that were NOT as good on the PC.
~Resident Evil 4
~MGS Series(IMO)
~any sports games(if you like sports games as I do)
~jRPGs(uh Phantasy Universe? bleh)
Plus, PC gaming is hampered in that you have to try to make the games playable on a slew of different hardwares.
Meh, it doesn't really bother me anyhow. I'm going to buy what I want to buy and !@#$% on what I want to !@#$% on.
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Yes but there are many games that were NOT as good on the PC.
~Resident Evil 4
~MGS Series(IMO)
~any sports games(if you like sports games as I do)
~jRPGs(uh Phantasy Universe? bleh)
Plus, PC gaming is hampered in that you have to try to make the games playable on a slew of different hardwares.
Meh, it doesn't really bother me anyhow. I'm going to buy what I want to buy and !@#$% on what I want to !@#$% on.
Resident Evil 4 on PC was awesome as !@#$% (after the patch of course).
MGS1 I believe was the only one on PC and it was good >_>
Who plays sports games?
Grandia 2. That is all.
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Who plays sports games?
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Who plays sports games?
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Hmm...people stand in line(and camp out) for the new Maddens all the time.
Tons of people play sports games.
When I boot up NHL 09 on XBOX Live, thousands of people are playing it.
Just because ZFGC may not have many sprots game people does not mean the rest of the world is the same way.
PS I also like other genres more than sports BTW.
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Grandia 2. That is all.
Holy !@#$% agreed. Grandia 2 ftw. Btw MGS2 is also on PC.
Meh, consoles are just kinda gimped PC's... but they aren't remotely doomed. They're still a lot cheaper, which matters right now.
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Well luckily PC gaming is okay with only Left 4 Dead and TF2.
dammit, PC gaming is awesome
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360 Price < 1000+ dollar PC to run most of those games decently let alone 1080p
Valve and WoW are basically the only reason to play anything on the PC. Everything else is either mediocre, on a console with the only difference being a controller, or takes way too expensive a PC to bother.
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You don't use a PC just for gaming. I already bought a PC for personal use, and it cost me $150 more just to make it decent for playing games. That's cheaper than any current gen system.
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Gaming itself will slump, everyone is prepping for economic woes.
Sony is doomed, they were doomed before the PS3 release, they're weak.. very weak as an organization. I think I was highly touted for saying that back in the GA/DSR days when we discussed next gen seriously.
Microsoft is doing okay, they'll most likely pull through everything just fine. Just because of the size of the company and the dependence everyone has on it.. I'm currently waiting for my 360 to arrive in the mail, the thing about console gaming versus PC gaming is I can very easily play with others, physically sitting in my room, that's the 'plus' to it.
Nintendo was.. pretty smart, a cheap and loving console, it's allowed them to be one of the top ten companies in Japan (Ironically knocking out Sony). The wii is entertaining, but definately not a hard-core console (yet). I really, more than anything, bought it for the Shop Channel.
PC's cost a lot, co-op (unless you're playing from far away with somone) doesn't have that same feeling. The games require you to constantly advance your hardware... which is also costy. It's really just not economical.
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Well luckily PC gaming is okay with only Left 4 Dead and TF2.
dammit, PC gaming is awesome
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360 Price < 1000+ dollar PC to run most of those games decently let alone 1080p
Valve and WoW are basically the only reason to play anything on the PC. Everything else is either mediocre, on a console with the only difference being a controller, or takes way too expensive a PC to bother.
I agree 300%.
Sorry, but when the 360 came out it was pretty impressive. Obviously PC's will start getting better during the middle of a consoles life. I don't quite see how it's PC gaming with downs, not everyone can afford a powerful machine. You for one have experienced this first hand, and so have I.
I prefer console gaming, imo.
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
I don't get what you mean… Explain please.
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why is this a debate? lol
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
Not always true. FPS games like Half-Life 2 are better on the PC than on a console.
Only console system that could probably handle an FPS close to as good as a PC, is the Wii.
You see, for games like that.. it relies on a camera controlled by a mouse (cursor) just like the Wii with the remote.
Anyway, the keyboard and mouse may not be the most comfortable setup at times, but it allows for a ton more options and playability at times.
o.0??? I loved HL2 on the 360.
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If Dantz is talking about the controls then, sorry, PC wins. I can play any PC game with my 360 controller and customise the controls any way I want.
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^ GTA:SA would like to have a word with you. It takes loading up a mod which hacks the game's memory everytime you play it to map it to a controller. Possible, but a pain in the ass.
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
I don't get what you mean… Explain please.
As in most people can't be arsed to build a decent gaming PC instead of simply buying a console.
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I use JoyToKey. It maps the mouse and keyboard to a gamepad with no game hecking required. The games behaves just as if the input is coming from the keyboard/mouse.
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I use JoyToKey. It maps the mouse and keyboard to a gamepad with no game hecking required. The games behaves just as if the input is coming from the keyboard/mouse.
I used to use that quite a bit. Havent though since I got my 360 :( just havent played many PC games...
Also Shefali, reply to your PMs XD
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
I don't get what you mean… Explain please.
As in most people can't be arsed to build a decent gaming PC instead of simply buying a console.
I built mine for $1000.
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System Information
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Operating System: Windows Vistaâ„¢ Ultimate (64-bit) (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1
System Model: P5E
BIOS: BIOS Date: 08/04/08 11:36:55 Ver: 08.00.12
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
Memory: 8190MB RAM (DDR 2 800)
DirectX Version: DirectX 10
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GX2
Display Memory: 2540 MB
Dedicated Memory: 495 MB
Shared Memory: 2044 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Mr. Beasty machine.
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
I don't get what you mean… Explain please.
As in most people can't be arsed to build a decent gaming PC instead of simply buying a console.
I built mine for $1000.
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System Information
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Operating System: Windows Vistaâ„¢ Ultimate (64-bit) (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1
System Model: P5E
BIOS: BIOS Date: 08/04/08 11:36:55 Ver: 08.00.12
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
Memory: 8190MB RAM (DDR 2 800)
DirectX Version: DirectX 10
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GX2
Display Memory: 2540 MB
Dedicated Memory: 495 MB
Shared Memory: 2044 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Right, but you're obviously a technology enthusiast. Most people are not.
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
I don't get what you mean… Explain please.
As in most people can't be arsed to build a decent gaming PC instead of simply buying a console.
Which is pretty sad considering how easy it is to build one
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
I don't get what you mean… Explain please.
As in most people can't be arsed to build a decent gaming PC instead of simply buying a console.
Which is pretty sad considering how easy it is to build one
Which is also pretty sad considering how many people call video professor.
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
I don't get what you mean… Explain please.
As in most people can't be arsed to build a decent gaming PC instead of simply buying a console.
Which is pretty sad considering how easy it is to build one
Which is also pretty sad considering how many people call video professor.
Try my product!
Try my Lube!
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Console gaming will never die because consoles are inherently easier to play games on than PCs. Period.
I don't get what you mean… Explain please.
As in most people can't be arsed to build a decent gaming PC instead of simply buying a console.
Which is pretty sad considering how easy it is to build one
Which is also pretty sad considering how many people call video professor.
Try my product!
Try my Lube!
Sure, lend me a hand while you're at it.
You've gone too far!
*gets back on topic*
PC > Console.
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Most people's families cant afford to shell out $1,000 for a PC. I work 5 days a week and make about $200 a week, but between bills and necessities I cant afford to save any ammount.
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Most people's families cant afford to shell out $1,000 for a PC. I work 5 days a week and make about $200 a week, but between bills and necessities I cant afford to save any ammount.
I had to use my credit card.
Unless you paid that credit off you're gonna be under a !@#$% ton of debt. Credit Cards are scams, refuse to touch one here.
Anyways, the age old reasoning to not buy a PS3 is because it costs a lot. Yet PC Gaming costs way more, and will continue to cost much more.
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^ GTA:SA would like to have a word with you. It takes loading up a mod which hacks the game's memory everytime you play it to map it to a controller. Possible, but a pain in the ass.
wut.
What are you talking about. San Andreas for PC doesn't have to do that !@#$%. You configure the keys for the mouse/keyboard or for your Joypad and your set.
Have you visited the Keyboard options or whatever?
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The reason I can't be arsed getting any of the newer (soon to be old) gen consoles? Because:
Wii - Not totally into the motion sensitivity and there's only about 2 games I'd want anyway.
PS3 - Too expensive, again I'd only get it for LBP.
360 - All the 5 direct friends that have it act like it's a gift from god when it's just a computer in a special case with a few things changed. And I've played quite a few games on them, and it seriously sucks balls (IMO, don't get all defensive).
And give me a mouse and keyboard for FPS games anyday, I hate controllers for FPS games, it feels like I have no control and I just end up feeling like throwing it out the window.
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A half-way decent computer that can run the latest games on very low specs will cost like £400 nowadays.
Xbox 360s cost about the same as Nintendo Wiis here in the UK
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/catalogId/1500001151/partNumber/5679223.htm
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/catalogId/1500001151/productId/1500245415.htm
See? That's like half the price of a computer that runs the same games. unlike most people I actually prefer the controllers to the PC for fps games. Then again, my PC throws a fit if I try to press too many buttons at once (4 seems to be too many, so much for running diagonally whilst reloading and jumping <_<). I also don't have to worry about AVG deciding to do a virus scan right in the middle of my game.
It's cheaper to have a 360 and buy a cheap-as-!@#$% second-hand laptop or desktop for all your non-gaming needs :P
(Then again, if you take into account the money saved on PCs by torrenting games...but nobody here does that *shifty eyes*)
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Everyone's still going on about price; I'm just going to repeat myself:
You don't use a PC just for gaming. I already bought a PC for personal use, and it cost me $150 more just to make it decent for playing games. That's cheaper than any current gen system.
We all have computers already. Put in a little extra money and you have a gaming-worthy machine.
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But what if it's cheaper to buy a console and a shitty computer good for only web browsing and office work? Surely, then, this is more logical. Also it means you can play video games and use computers at the same time, which is how I got all my GCSE coursework done ;) Got between B and A* in all of it too, which was nice :P Them damn Bs did drag a lot of my final grades down from A and A* in the tests to an A or B overall though, which sucked :(
Also, Unlike most people I actually prefer the controllers to the PC for fps games. Then again, my PC throws a fit if I try to press too many buttons at once (4 seems to be too many, so much for running diagonally whilst reloading and jumping <_<). I also don't have to worry about AVG deciding to do a virus scan right in the middle of my game.
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You people who keep going COMPUTERS EXPENSIVE really don't get it, do you?
You can buy (and by buy, I mean build your own) a good, decent gaming computer for about $400-$600. Depending on the parts you order it can last you anywhere within 2-3 years before you have to upgrade again. Even then it'll be little upgrades here and there. i.e. RAM, Hard Drive, Graphics Card, etc.
Buying a console is just as expensive especially for all the addons and games.
Console (Let's say 360) = $250-$300
Controllers (Depending on how many, let's say 4 and wireless) $50 x4 = $200
Xbox Live = $8/Month, $20/3 Months, $50/year. (Let's say 1 year for this).
Right there that's just about $550 alone. Then in about 1-2 years a new console will be coming out and they'll stop making games for that console. Games alone are about $50-60 each. PC games are generally $10-20 less. Also where as on PC, gaming online is free. DLC is also free depending on the company. I have yet to see any games I've played on PC charge for downloading new content. There's also all those classic games and crap you can buy from online stores. I can just download those for free on my PC and play them whenever I want instead of playing money to have them emulated on my console while getting framerate issues among others because they're just emulated.
PC also has tons of advantages over consoles. As Devout said, PCs are for everything, consoles are just for gaming in general.
As for your little AVG problem, try getting Common Sense 2008. It helps tons. I also think 2009 is coming soon so you might wanna think about picking that up.
I also don't know why you're pressing like 4 buttons when running and jumping.
Do you have fat fingers or something?
Running and jumping generally takes 2-3 keys depending on the game. In Half-Life 2 it's 3. Hold W to walk forward, Hold Shift to Run, and Space to jump. Depending on the jump as well you should only have to hold Shift for like a second. You must be playing some old FPS game I've never heard of.
People have different opinions on what they like in gaming. Some people prefer PC gaming, some people prefer console game. That whole EXPENSIVE deal really doesn't apply just for PCs.
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I have really thin fingers, but in Half-Life 2 I'm constantly holding down as many buttons as possible in order to play causing a beep from my computer that annoys me greatly :(
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I don't see why pressing four keys at once would cause any problems, I do it all the time in Fable—moving diagonally, running, and attacking. Your computer hates you.
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I just tried it, it takes four buttons because it happens when I hold down W, A, S and D.
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solution:
USB keyboard
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I like console gaming better because I grew up with it. I'm not saying which is better and which is worse. You can basically say that you'd need to spend a lot of money on both PC and Console gaming. For console, it's basically buying a system, extra controllers, and games and any other stuff. For PC, you'd have to keep constantly (well, maybe not) buying upgrades for it which is costly. Another thing is that things like hard drives crashing can happen and things like that, as well as scratched game discs and whatnot.
If anything, PC > Console and PC < Console. Some say one is better and some say the other is better and it will always be like that. I personally find FPS controls better with console gaming and I liked Corruption's controls a lot.
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^^You can't really compare Corruption's controls to an fps on a 360 though. The controllers are just too different, if anything the wiimote + nunchuku is closer to a mouse & keyboard.
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^^You can't really compare Corruption's controls to an fps on a 360 though. The controllers are just too different, if anything the wiimote + nunchuku is closer to a mouse & keyboard.
I wasn't comparing though. I was only saying I like them, that's all. I never even mentioned 360 controls either.
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Eh, my mistake then. You made it sound like you were comparing controllers to pc controls and using corruption as an example.
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Buying a console is just as expensive especially for all the addons and games.
Console (Let's say 360) = $250-$300
Controllers (Depending on how many, let's say 4 and wireless) $50 x4 = $200
Xbox Live = $8/Month, $20/3 Months, $50/year. (Let's say 1 year for this).
Add-ons are not a necessity, but if you really want to bring that in then the same can be said for PC gaming. As well as Live (Being as Microsoft are now attempting to re-release it.)
Also, the 360 has been on the market for nearly 3 years now if not longer. New Technology for PCs comes out something like every 6 months.
Latest AMD Processor £159.99 up to £189.99 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224274)
Bearing in mind thats just the processor, you'll still need a mother board, PSU, Case, Graphics Card, Sound Card, DVD driver, Mouse Keyboard Monitor, Ram and a HDD to build your own computer.
Lets go with an XBOX 360 Bundle pack.
XBOX 360 with Gears of War 1 and 2, Far Cry 2, SEGA Superstars Tennis and PGR 4 £188.99 (http://www.gamestation.co.uk/Xbox360/Hardware/HardwareBundle/~r412539/Xbox-360-60GB-Premium-Pack-with-Gears-of-War-1-and-2-Far-Cry-2-SEGA-Superstars-Tennis-and-PGR-4/?mid=412539)
Yes okay thats on a deal but deals do factor into the equation.
And even if I use an AMD bundle as a comparison:
AMD QUAD CORE Phenom 9550 Motherboard Bundle + 1GB DDR2 800 Memory £239.99 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224598)
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Gah >.< Still talking about prices? Okay, I'll just buy a used Gamecube for $25. Gamecube wins because it's cheapest~
I agree with Weasel here:
You can't fairly compare just by getting economical.
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Buying a console is just as expensive especially for all the addons and games.
Console (Let's say 360) = $250-$300
Controllers (Depending on how many, let's say 4 and wireless) $50 x4 = $200
Xbox Live = $8/Month, $20/3 Months, $50/year. (Let's say 1 year for this).
Add-ons are not a necessity, but if you really want to bring that in then the same can be said for PC gaming. As well as Live (Being as Microsoft are now attempting to re-release it.)
Also, the 360 has been on the market for nearly 3 years now if not longer. New Technology for PCs comes out something like every 6 months.
Latest AMD Processor £159.99 up to £189.99 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224274)
Bearing in mind thats just the processor, you'll still need a mother board, PSU, Case, Graphics Card, Sound Card, DVD driver, Mouse Keyboard Monitor, Ram and a HDD to build your own computer.
Lets go with an XBOX 360 Bundle pack.
XBOX 360 with Gears of War 1 and 2, Far Cry 2, SEGA Superstars Tennis and PGR 4 £188.99 (http://www.gamestation.co.uk/Xbox360/Hardware/HardwareBundle/~r412539/Xbox-360-60GB-Premium-Pack-with-Gears-of-War-1-and-2-Far-Cry-2-SEGA-Superstars-Tennis-and-PGR-4/?mid=412539)
Yes okay thats on a deal but deals do factor into the equation.
And even if I use an AMD bundle as a comparison:
AMD QUAD CORE Phenom 9550 Motherboard Bundle + 1GB DDR2 800 Memory £239.99 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224598)
You CAN'T use prices though. A PC is more than a gaming machine, it's a media player of all kinds, an internet surfer, a calculator, a way of documenting things, and a programmable device among other things. You CANNOT use price to compare a PC to a 360, it doesn't work.
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Buying a console is just as expensive especially for all the addons and games.
Console (Let's say 360) = $250-$300
Controllers (Depending on how many, let's say 4 and wireless) $50 x4 = $200
Xbox Live = $8/Month, $20/3 Months, $50/year. (Let's say 1 year for this).
Add-ons are not a necessity, but if you really want to bring that in then the same can be said for PC gaming. As well as Live (Being as Microsoft are now attempting to re-release it.)
Also, the 360 has been on the market for nearly 3 years now if not longer. New Technology for PCs comes out something like every 6 months.
Latest AMD Processor £159.99 up to £189.99 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224274)
Bearing in mind thats just the processor, you'll still need a mother board, PSU, Case, Graphics Card, Sound Card, DVD driver, Mouse Keyboard Monitor, Ram and a HDD to build your own computer.
Lets go with an XBOX 360 Bundle pack.
XBOX 360 with Gears of War 1 and 2, Far Cry 2, SEGA Superstars Tennis and PGR 4 £188.99 (http://www.gamestation.co.uk/Xbox360/Hardware/HardwareBundle/~r412539/Xbox-360-60GB-Premium-Pack-with-Gears-of-War-1-and-2-Far-Cry-2-SEGA-Superstars-Tennis-and-PGR-4/?mid=412539)
Yes okay thats on a deal but deals do factor into the equation.
And even if I use an AMD bundle as a comparison:
AMD QUAD CORE Phenom 9550 Motherboard Bundle + 1GB DDR2 800 Memory £239.99 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=224598)
You CAN'T use prices though. A PC is more than a gaming machine, it's a media player of all kinds, an internet surfer, a calculator, a way of documenting things, and a programmable device among other things. You CANNOT use price to compare a PC to a 360, it doesn't work.
Yes you can. You do need to buy computers you know...
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Price is still a useless base for comparison. I could argue that a stick of chewing gum is exponentially better than an Xbox 360 if we're not going to look at anything other than cost.
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Price is still a useless base for comparison. I could argue that a stick of chewing gum is exponentially better than an Xbox 360 if we're not going to look at anything other than cost.
If you dont make much money price would be the make or break of your decision. So it is an important factor.
And as to that, you cant argue chewing gums better, because you know, chewing gum doesn't play games...
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You're right, I'm just saying cost is the only thing anyone is discussing in this topic. I should change the title to "Which cost less? PC or Xbox 360?"…
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You're right, I'm just saying cost is the only thing anyone is discussing in this topic.
*looks through topic*
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Good point. Ahem.
So yeah, console controllers to me are far more easier to use, though perhaps thats because I've done very little PC Gaming, I've always been a more console gamer.
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^^You can't really compare Corruption's controls to an fps on a 360 though. The controllers are just too different, if anything the wiimote + nunchuku is closer to a mouse & keyboard.
I actually prefer Corruptions controls to PC controls, but prefer PCs controls to Xbox and PS3 games controls. Its hard to compare consoles to PCs in terms of controls, becaure PC games pretty much all just use Mouse&keyboard, whereas for consoles now, we have the Wii controls and the normal controllers.
You're right, I'm just saying cost is the only thing anyone is discussing in this topic.
Actually people have discussed other stuff, like controls & convenience...
Personally I prefer console gaming. PCs are perfectly suited for FPS's and point and click games (Monkey Island ftw) but I prefer platformers, RPGs, Action, Racing, Sport etc. games on consoles. Its just a preference thing. But I dont see console gaming dying out soon, The 360 and the Wii have sold fantastically and don't seem to be dying down. The PS3 on the other hand...
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Guitar Hero anyone? XD I love PC and Console gaming, I suppose I spend about the same amount of time on both.