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Re: Porn.Should it be banned or stay
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2006, 10:41:21 pm »
There have also been studies saying how it is good to relieve stress and stop prostrate cancer.  Normal people are not born with a tendency to seek out and do drugs, but they are born with a later tendency to be aroused by naked images.
Your analogy doesn't work.  Most people are born with a tendancy to be stimulated by stimulants.  Heroin is a stimulant.  Pornography is a stimulant.

People have a natural tendency to get endorphins from exercise; as a result, people can become addicted to exercise. Should exercise machines be banned?
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2006, 10:57:02 pm »
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That's only because the superbowl is suppose to be for everyone. It's rated TV-14 or something like that.

Uh, then it's not for EVERYONE...only those above 14..who should be able to handle seeing a boob.  :P
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2006, 12:15:50 am »
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Basically, becoming addicted to porn is a choice because it isn't like some physically addictive drug.
Ah, but it is physically addictive.  Remember the debates we had on homosexuality, and how we were talking about the chemistry of it all?  Believe it or not, gay pornography has helped people along the path to being homosexual/bisexual.  Surely that's not always the case-- probably not even mostly the case, but it is a common scenario.

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The dependence is mental.
Of course it's a mental dependence!  Much like heroin, cocaine, etc.  They're all chemically addicting, and that's what makes it such a mental barrier.

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It's no substitute for real sex, which is no substitute for a relationship. If you don't realize that, sorry, but you're an idiot. Go meet a girl, silly porn freak.
Yes, but it's not always the addiction that ruins the relationships (but it is most of the time... say you're not addicted?  well then never look at porn again!  "don't feel like it"?  you're addicted).  I'll admit being addicted to Dr. Pepper.  It's not like if I don't have it daily then I'll feel sick, but I keep on going back to that drink because I like it so much.  If someone asked me to never had it again, I feel like I *could* do it, but wouldn't because "I don't feel like it" which makes it an addiction by definition.

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Since when is it an analogy?  Pornography affects your brain into producing natural stimulants like adrenaline and endorphins.
And you'll find that's EXACTLY what most drugs do.  They trigger your body into releasing natural stimulants in excessive amounts.

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These are chemicals that your body makes naturally.  While pornography is not a natural situation as the hormones and natural chemicals were intended for, it is acceptable.
Because you say so, although don't have any paticular reason other than "hey it's not harming me!"  Which it is (assuming that you view it... not trying to point fingers any direction in this debate).

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It is like working out with free weights.  Maybe people should ban that too, because it is not really working out as much as it is endlessly tuning a muscle through means that it was not intended for: muscle training should be applied through work experience.  You should not hate the artificial method of natural stimulation, but everyone should hate the artificial stimulation of drugs.
Well let's look at the obvious here: porn is COMPLETELY different from excercize.  Excersize makes one physically healthy.  Does it release stimulants?  Absolutely... and that's why you see those guys who go on those 4 bajillion mile marathons, literally killing themselves because they NEED that stimulant to keep on going.  So obviously you CAN overdo it in excersize.

Pornography is a substance that releases extreme amounts of this drug.  Making it very easily addicting.  Between that, the curiosity and the "excitement", it's America's #1 addiction today.

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I never said porn was good, I just said that it was not bad.
So you can tell me it's not bad, but I can't tell you that it IS bad?

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You should learn to respect the opinions of everyone 2awesome4apossum.  I could little your opinion because I know that your sense of morality is being defined by your religious morals on relationships between man and woman.
Do you know that for certain?  Certainly I think it's morally wrong... but do you really think that my religion could convince me of that, when they don't give me much of a reason for it other than "it destroys the family" (which admittedly, I have found to be 100% correct)?

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Do not go all Ad Hominem; just because someone does it does not make opinion wrong.
No, but when something like drugs is being talked about, that this person is addicted to, they'll either be strongly for it or strongly against it.

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Why do you care about them anyway? Oh well, nevermind... you shouldn't little anybody's opinion, as it isn't productive in a discussion.
I care about their well-being, not them per se.  And this isn't a discussion, this is a debate.  They are different things ^_^

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Seriously, it's the same with video-games. People like my grandma don't know !@#$% about it. They see on TV how video-games make terrorists out of little children. And TV says ALL of the people who play video-games become sick murderer.
The endorphin release level on video games is also extremely high (although not near as high as pornography, because it's not stimulating as many areas-- usually), and so kids can become addicted to video games.[/funfact]

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Oh well, I'm talking bull-!@#$%. Ignore.
I'll apply that statement to your previous paragraph, because it's missing a logical thought process (although you've got me wondering how Abraham from the Bible ever figured out how to reproduce without pornography).

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People have a natural tendency to get endorphins from exercise; as a result, people can become addicted to exercise. Should exercise machines be banned?
The two are not comparable for reasons stated above.

I'm not saying that natural endorphins, etc. aren't good for you (it IS needed from time to time), but in the instance of pornography, it is released in extreme unhealthy amounts that will affect your brain permanently.  The scariest thing about pornography is that unlike cocaine, you can't just stop it... you'll always remember the images you see.  Why do you think we're so scared about children seeing it?

But what does the government know legally recognizing it as substance abuse?  And why do you fear science so much when talking about pornography, plastic surgery, abortion, and feminism, and love it so much when talking about "global warming" (although admittedly that theory's based off the logical fallacy that correlation must mean causation)?  (And I won't even bother to talk about Darwinism.)

So forgive my inconsistency of being so liberal on so many of the issues as of late... but I figure better a moderate than a kool-aid drinker (Heck: I love the definition of neo-conservatism simply because it's so broad on domestic issues).

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First of all, I'm not entirely sure about that rating being correct. Not really a football fan. Second, you'd think that 14 year olds could handle a boob, but in this country we don't condone a boob unless you're 18 or older. Wierd eh?
It's because we recognize (as a society, although certain people here choose to ignore facts) that pornography is in fact a substance that is harmful to oneself.
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Re: Porn.Should it be banned or stay
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2006, 12:16:46 am »
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I don't really have an interest in it, so I don't care if it goes or not. Wait, yes I do. I've personally seen lives fall apart and relationships crumble from it. It must go.
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2006, 12:25:14 am »
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Why would they have to be okay with it?
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2006, 12:39:52 am »
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Why wouldn't they be okay with it? :)
Because they may feel it immoral to view pornographic images.
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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2006, 12:45:47 am »
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You are right, that is what drugs do, but they also introduce harmful, foreign chemicals into the body.  This is where it varies from pornography.  Pornography involves a person causing their own body to produce more natural chemicals.  The person is rarely going to get to the point where it is harming the body.  In fact, looking at pornography is a good thing for some; it is the main reason why most people who look at it are not fat, they ???exercise??? while looking at it.  This leads to the body getting benefited and the mind getting relieved of stress.  Those who take it too far or get hurt had other problems to begin with.

In other words, drugs are big steps and pornography is little steps.  Drugs hurt the body due to immediate effects while pornography works over time.  This allows it to not be deadly.

I was not telling you to think that it was not bad; I just said that I thought that it was not bad; I have never abdicated it as good personally.

I do know that the general consensus of your religion and the ones who follow it strictly deal with pornography and male-female relations a little differently than the mainstream.  I saw something on TV about it; Michael Jackson special about what caused him to go insane.

About the Ad Hominem thing, in the rules in says that a person who does pot should not be belittled because they do.  Their opinion may be wrong to you and what you would do, but that does not mean it is wrong for everybody.  People who do drugs will hate them, love them, or have no preference just like most people who do not.  Their opinion is not that different, and the fact that they have done what they did makes their opinion a little stronger; you have not done it, how can you truly know. 
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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2006, 12:53:10 am »
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About the Ad Hominem thing, in the rules in says that a person who does pot should not be belittled because they do.  Their opinion may be wrong to you and what you would do, but that does not mean it is wrong for everybody.  People who do drugs will hate them, love them, or have no preference just like most people who do not.  Their opinion is not that different, and the fact that they have done what they did makes their opinion a little stronger; you have not done it, how can you truly know. 
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You are right, that is what drugs do, but they also introduce harmful, foreign chemicals into the body.
It's not always introducing something foreign.  Often it's triggering your body's functions to release it's "natural drugs" (anti-depressants anyone?).

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This is where it varies from pornography.  Pornography involves a person causing their own body to produce more natural chemicals.  The person is rarely going to get to the point where it is harming the body.  In fact, looking at pornography is a good thing for some; it is the main reason why most people who look at it are not fat, they ???exercise??? while looking at it.  This leads to the body getting benefited and the mind getting relieved of stress.  Those who take it too far or get hurt had other problems to begin with.
Did you not read what I had to say in my rant about excersize vs. pornography?  And talking about excess amounts, etc.?

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In other words, drugs are big steps and pornography is little steps.  Drugs hurt the body due to immediate effects while pornography works over time.  This allows it to not be deadly.
Well, I *would* doubt you can "overdose" on pornography if it wasn't for many of the serial killers, rapists, paedophiles, necrophiles and beastiles in the world.  Often times rapists will kill the victim after doing the rape.  Why is this?  Usually not to cover the crime, but pornography and raping previously has desensitized them, and they want to FEEL something.  The solution?  Violent killing.

Thus you have serial killers that started at porn.  "gateway" drug, if you will.
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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2006, 01:00:30 am »
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Surely, pornography was just an accelerant and the fire of the problem would have burned anyway.  The fact that it spead it up does not mean that it would not have happened.  To the people who kill, they are weak in the head to begin with.  Pornography only accents their problem but pornogrpahy in itself is not the problem.  I do not think that anyone would want to be alive after being raped anyway.
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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2006, 01:03:36 am »
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I really think this whole economy is just plain sexist. We put to much thought into how to protect our kids from the opposite gender just for that to be broken by the age of 16.

 Has anyone ever been to the zoo? All the animals there walk around nude and no one cares, so why can't we. I think humans shouldn't wear clothes and instead just walk around nude. Who gives a !@#$%, we either have one, or the other and its not like by the age of 14 a male/female hasn't seen the opposite gender in one form or another.

 Now what does this have to do with pornography? Well, in a world where we're all as one (Instead of dividing ourselfs) we wouldn't need it. We'd know what the other gender has so theres no need to see all this !@#$%.

 If I ran this world, it would be much better. This is pretty much off topic, but has to do with nudity and crap, so wtf.
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« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2006, 01:08:49 am »
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No offense piers, but if you ran the world you would probably be the anti-Christ or something because that idea was bad.  Islamic people would be outraged and would issue a fatwah on your head and pedophiles wverywhere would have things to look at.  Men and women would be treated more on their looks than their brains, and this would degrade society.  Also, I am glad that clothes are required so that fat people do not walk around like beached whales.
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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2006, 01:56:32 am »
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No offense piers, but if you ran the world you would probably be the anti-Christ or something because that idea was bad.  Islamic people would be outraged and would issue a fatwah on your head and pedophiles wverywhere would have things to look at.  Men and women would be treated more on their looks than their brains, and this would degrade society.  Also, I am glad that clothes are required so that fat people do not walk around like beached whales.

Thats practicly what the world is like now. (Except the religionous part which I can't help) Incase you didn't know or where miss-informed, the whole entire world is based on looks.

 How many fat people do you see in pornographic videos? Zilch. How many burnt/scarred to hell people do you see with hot women/men? Nada Why do you think windows vista does nothing except look better then xp? Because it looks better.

Face it, my idea was bad but atleast didn't seperate us all into caterories. In your post right there, you seperated fat people saying they looked ugly like a whale which wouldn't matter if the world wasn't about looks, wouldn't it?

And yes, I am the anti-christ. I am the one, who you'd never think would show....... (Another reference to my old name on IF ZFGC. I can't beleive you havn't found it out yet.)
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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2006, 02:26:48 am »
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There will always be different people, and having everyone naked would not change that.  A minority of people are nudists, and for the majority to shift to their ways would be outlandish.  What about the winter?  People need clothes.  The summer?  People need to be shielded from UV rays and nobody wants to buy sunblock all the time.  Pornography would still exist, and men would take their shyness to the Internet instead of going through the horrors of having their penis bone up in a nudist public.  People do not look at porn because they want to see the naked so much as they want to see the sex.  When it is only pornography they use their imagination. 
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« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2006, 02:33:50 am »
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There will always be different people, and having everyone naked would not change that.  A minority of people are nudists, and for the majority to shift to their ways would be outlandish.  What about the winter?  People need clothes.  The summer?  People need to be shielded from UV rays and nobody wants to buy sunblock all the time.  Pornography would still exist, and men would take their shyness to the Internet instead of going through the horrors of having their penis bone up in a nudist public.  People do not look at porn because they want to see the naked so much as they want to see the sex.  When it is only pornography they use their imagination. 
Before I say !@#$% it and stop arguing, I'd like to say. An erection is a natural thing that can't be avoided wether your in public or not.

Anyway, !@#$% it, theres not point arguing over something like this. I'll always have my opinion and you'll always have yours.
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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2006, 02:44:40 am »
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It is just that in a naked society, people would revert back to caring about and stressing over physical features.  It is just like people with clothes, they "compete" to see who can wear the better things.  When uniforms are introduced, this makes everyone look the same.  With nudity though, people would "wear" their boobs and stuff to a higher regard.  Guys would stand around the biggest boobed and hottest girl to the point where it got awkward.  People can never be the same when naked. 

I kind of have to debate your opinion do to this being in Debates.  I was a little brash about calling your idea bad and you the anti-Christ, and for that I am sorry.  I was out of line there.
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2006, 02:54:46 am »
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It is just that in a naked society, people would revert back to caring about and stressing over physical features.  It is just like people with clothes, they "compete" to see who can wear the better things.  When uniforms are introduced, this makes everyone look the same.  With nudity though, people would "wear" their boobs and stuff to a higher regard.  Guys would stand around the biggest boobed and hottest girl to the point where it got awkward.  People can never be the same when naked. 

I kind of have to debate your opinion do to this being in Debates.  I was a little brash about calling your idea bad and you the anti-Christ, and for that I am sorry.  I was out of line there.
Yes that will always be true though. =/ And uniforms still don't hide who has bigger whats and that !@#$%.

 Anyway, I'm not offended for you not liking my ideas. You can call them !@#$%, or downright !@#$% up, I really don't care. Most of them are anyway. (Except that one about building a huge dome around the world and air conditioning it to stop global warming but thats for another debate)
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« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2006, 03:05:04 am »
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Yeah, but they do keep it under wraps.  In no way is this next statement comparing women to things, but unwrapping is more fun that having things unwrapped already.  Plus, if girls were naked they would have periods out in the open and people who just took a poop would leave !@#$% stains on chairs.  And that does not even get into the whole sanitation and sweat issue.

(Off-Topic though, the dome would require a massive amount of materials and the loss of UV rays would hurt plants and then up the food chain.  A better solution might be to either distribute ozone gas by clean burning planes or other aeroplane-like devices or increasing the magnetic effect of the Earth to shield more radiation.  The ozone would be easier to implement.)   
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« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2006, 03:10:45 am »
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Yeah, but they do keep it under wraps.  In no way is this next statement comparing women to things, but unwrapping is more fun that having things unwrapped already.  Plus, if girls were naked they would have periods out in the open and people who just took a poop would leave !@#$% stains on chairs.  And that does not even get into the whole sanitation and sweat issue.

(Off-Topic though, the dome would require a massive amount of materials and the loss of UV rays would hurt plants and then up the food chain.  A better solution might be to either distribute ozone gas by clean burning planes or other aeroplane-like devices or increasing the magnetic effect of the Earth to shield more radiation.  The ozone would be easier to implement.)   
Ok, sanitation would be hell. =/


(The dome would be made out of glass so sun rays could still get through and if everyone in the world pitched in meterials it could happen. Also, where would we get ozone gas (Without taking what we already have) or how could we increase the magnetic effect of the earth?)
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« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2006, 03:21:11 am »
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Oh, sanitation would be heck and pubic sweat would stick up the place.  People might not pit out in their arm pits so much, but other stenches would be evident.

(For people to get the curve of the glass to cover the Earth right, to make it out of sand would take a lot of it-Sahara might not be enough, and glass would only change the angle of the incoming light.  Ozone is just O3, so it should not be hard to make, maybe from desalted sea water.  The magnetic idea would involve either satelites, moon station, or something that would not work well due to power availability.  Actually a solar powered reflector magnetic thing could work.  It is just glass is too inefficient and if tinted by old use could heat the Earth even more.)
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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2006, 03:30:10 am »
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banned, this is about people who buy porn and masturbate with it, eventhough the economy runs around the pretty women a kid shouldn't be able to see how a girl has sex <.< since he might think is a game, and do it with a "friend". since people now think sex is "fun" thanks to porn, but beleive me having STDs is not fun..D:
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