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ZFGC.com => Updates => Topic started by: Infinitus on August 02, 2008, 11:30:32 pm
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Just as a heads up guys, the forum may be going down for maintenence in the next few days while I integrate the site.
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ok, so you are going to upgrade :D?
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Also, if there was down time on Aug. 1st. A DDoS was hitting the HostDime/Surpass Datacenter. :)
It was early morning EST, 1-3am :)
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If I remember correctly, yeah, there was some downtime around those hours because I could not connect to the database, it wasn't that much of a big deal; I took it as a sign that I should start sleeping. Anyway, thanks for the heads up Infini.
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Right, site will probably be going down in the next few hours. Site integration is my next priority.
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Are we supposed to be off of it right now? I still have access, I just had to get past "THE BANHAMMER" thing.
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I don't know why but I'm not really a fan of the new look...maybe it just has to grow on me.
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I don't know why but I'm not really a fan of the new look...maybe it just has to grow on me.
To each their own. I'm still fiddling with things anyway, the forum is likely to be modified a lot so it dosen't get squashed as much.
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Hmm... Why is the community project in the archives?
I like the new look so far... except that big advertisement on the right. It takes too much place!
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Hmm... Why is the community project in the archives?
Because the admins fet that it dosen't have any of the traits of a community project. Its more of a private project that just happens to be using the tallent of some of the zfgc members. We've explained this to the main staff of the CP and have given them several weeks to clean everything up, I've just moved it there until they decide what to do.
I like the new look so far... except that big advertisement on the right. It takes too much place!
I actually thinks it takes up the right amount of space. Though I need to widen everything else, as the forum is getting a bit squashed.
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I don't know why but I'm not really a fan of the new look...maybe it just has to grow on me.
To each their own. I'm still fiddling with things anyway, the forum is likely to be modified a lot so it dosen't get squashed as much.
Also it took me more than one try to log in...even when i spelled out my user name right and my password was correct.
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I don't know why but I'm not really a fan of the new look...maybe it just has to grow on me.
To each their own. I'm still fiddling with things anyway, the forum is likely to be modified a lot so it dosen't get squashed as much.
Also it took me more than one try to log in...even when i spelled out my user name right and my password was correct.
Did you use the box in the top-right? If so it uses DICKBUTT, you have to wait for several seconds for it to validate everything with the server.
Try again, I've just sat here for the last 5 minutes logging in and out, I can't find anything wrong. It might be something stupid like having an old cookie from before on your computer still.
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Because the admins fet that it dosen't have any of the traits of a community project. Its more of a private project that just happens to be using the tallent of some of the zfgc members.
I may have to agree...
We've explained this to the main staff of the CP and have given them several weeks to clean everything up, I've just moved it there until they decide what to do.
Who do you call the main staff of the CP?
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Who do you call the main staff of the CP?
TheForeShadower and Scooternew at the moment.
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I think making the template wider should be the new priority ;)
I understand it wouldn't work right for the rest of the site, without a little bit of redesign, but it seriously needs it.
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I'm thinking of actually changing the user-bar on the left, trimming that down a lot will give posts extra room, might even move it to above the posts body. Though I agree it needs widening.
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DISCLAIMER: Not all of the administration agreed with the decision to move the Community Project.
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DISCLAIMER: Not all of the administration agreed with the decision to move the Community Project.
Dantz, that really doesn't help with staff cohesion you know :P.
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DISCLAIMER: Not all of the administration agreed with the decision to move the Community Project.
Dantz, that really doesn't help with staff cohesion you know :P.
Okay...
SECOND DISCLAIMER: It was a majority decision.
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DISCLAIMER: Not all of the administration agreed with the decision to move the Community Project.
Dantz, that really doesn't help with staff cohesion you know :P.
Okay...
SECOND DISCLAIMER: It was a majority decision.
The staff are meant to show a united front you !@#$% :P. No matter what individuals opinions are.
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Yeah, and so are the government officials of the US, but you see how well that works out ;)
Anyways, I actually agree with Tim. It really doesn't seem like a community project, just as ZFGC SDK doesn't really seem to be that way either
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just as ZFGC SDK doesn't really seem to be that way either
The difference is, ZFGSDK isn't meant to be one, rather its just a project that happens to be open source :P.
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DISCLAIMER: Not all of the administration agreed with the decision to move the Community Project.
Dantz, that really doesn't help with staff cohesion you know :P.
Okay...
SECOND DISCLAIMER: It was a majority decision.
The staff are meant to show a united front you !@#$% :P. No matter what individuals opinions are.
Yeah, but it really was a majority decision...so I don't really see how that's a bad thing :P
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The big complaint for me is the links and nearly all the text on the site are white on a white background.
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White on White? How are you getting that? o.O
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Ctrl+F5, you probably have an outdated style sheet.
EDIT: Whoops my bad, forgot to reset everyones themes.
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SMOOTH GOING, TIM :|
I blame you for everything that goes wrong from this point forward. :D
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SMOOTH GOING, TIM :|
I blame you for everything that goes wrong from this point forward. :D
:( *cries in corner*
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Go cut yourself, emo kid <3
Anyways, back on a serious note. Are you planning to make the entire template for the site wider, or just the forums?
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Also (posting this as a reply, rather than an edit, in case you're in the process of responding), are you planning on changing the way user profiles look? The generic SMF one is kinda... bland. Although it's not a big deal, I think things similar to how IPB updated their profile system looks nice, and would be an interesting addition at a later time.
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Also (posting this as a reply, rather than an edit, in case you're in the process of responding), are you planning on changing the way user profiles look? The generic SMF one is kinda... bland. Although it's not a big deal, I think things similar to how IPB updated their profile system looks nice, and would be an interesting addition at a later time.
One thing at a time MiN :P. My next priority is getting zfgcapi up and running.
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(Not to but heads here)
But I don't think that Dantz was an Administrator at the time. :p
That aside, the new site looks sexy.
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Hmm... Why is the community project in the archives?
Because the admins fet that it dosen't have any of the traits of a community project. Its more of a private project that just happens to be using the tallent of some of the zfgc members. We've explained this to the main staff of the CP and have given them several weeks to clean everything up, I've just moved it there until they decide what to do.
I like the new look so far... except that big advertisement on the right. It takes too much place!
I actually thinks it takes up the right amount of space. Though I need to widen everything else, as the forum is getting a bit squashed.
How does the ZFGCSDK or whatever it's called have the traits of a community project more than ZFGCCP?
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Hmm... Why is the community project in the archives?
Because the admins fet that it dosen't have any of the traits of a community project. Its more of a private project that just happens to be using the tallent of some of the zfgc members. We've explained this to the main staff of the CP and have given them several weeks to clean everything up, I've just moved it there until they decide what to do.
I like the new look so far... except that big advertisement on the right. It takes too much place!
I actually thinks it takes up the right amount of space. Though I need to widen everything else, as the forum is getting a bit squashed.
How does the ZFGCSDK or whatever it's called have the traits of a community project more than ZFGCCP?
When did I say it did? I actually said, and I quote: "ZFGSDK isn't meant to be one".
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Personally I think the ZFGCCP (already seems to be done), the SDK and the API board should be sub-boards of a board. I mean there are tons of boards x_x
Edit: Actually maybe the API stays since it's important to the site and all.
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Personally I think the ZFGCCP (already seems to be done), the SDK and the API board should be sub-boards of a board. I mean there are tons of boards x_x
Edit: Actually maybe the API stays since it's important to the site and all.
They are subboards of a seperate 'site projects' board. But I agree, I can probably strim it down a bit and place put them as child boards of another board.
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Personally I think the ZFGCCP (already seems to be done), the SDK and the API board should be sub-boards of a board. I mean there are tons of boards x_x
Edit: Actually maybe the API stays since it's important to the site and all.
They are subboards of a seperate 'site projects' board. But I agree, I can probably strim it down a bit and place put them as child boards of another board.
Child boards. That's the word I was meaning XD
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I love the new update and the theme but don't take me wrong, too much green if you ask me, I think it would be better to have the logo and some other minor stuff(like the green text for example) in different color.
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I love the new update and the theme but don't take me wrong, too much green if you ask me, I think it would be better to have the logo and some other minor stuff(like the green text for example) in different color.
I don't like the green text either. And the logo might look good in silver rather than green.
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I was thinking maybe not a solid black, but a lighter black. Maybe a greenish black like this.
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8646/mockqh5.png)
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Could make the quote text green.. and the normal post text black.
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Could make the quote text green.. and the normal post text black.
That's a good idea.
I also think that the CP would be good for a sub-board. I mean, it seems that even though it's been moving slowly, we WERE making progress.
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I like the green text. If you want your text black just color it.
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I like the green text. If you want your text black just color it.
stop saying stupid stuff.
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I think he is saying just to do it, like this: Pokemon is a slave trade, and Pikachu is a slave master. It takes a while to get used the the green, but it grows on you and it is not so over-imposing as black is and it makes the theme feel good. Especially on the index page, it works out well. Meh, I do not know.
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Hmm... Why is the community project in the archives?
Because the admins fet that it dosen't have any of the traits of a community project. Its more of a private project that just happens to be using the tallent of some of the zfgc members. We've explained this to the main staff of the CP and have given them several weeks to clean everything up, I've just moved it there until they decide what to do.
I like the new look so far... except that big advertisement on the right. It takes too much place!
I actually thinks it takes up the right amount of space. Though I need to widen everything else, as the forum is getting a bit squashed.
How does the ZFGCSDK or whatever it's called have the traits of a community project more than ZFGCCP?
When did I say it did? I actually said, and I quote: "ZFGSDK isn't meant to be one".
But the SDK gets its own board and the CP doesn't?
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The SDK is something that is contributing to ZFGC as a whole. The CP just... exists.
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The SDK is something that is contributing to ZFGC as a whole. The CP just... exists.
What does that even mean? No it's not, it's only contributing to people who are interested in game development. The SDK "just exists" by your definition; in fact, the CP probably has contributed to the community more than the SDK has so far, by drawing various talent together to develop a game.
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Show me what you currently have as far as the source for the CP.
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It's not open source. What does that have to do with anything?
You know what, this topic isn't the place to be arguing this. Obviously the staff made the decision they thought was best and I'm not going to try and change it. I disagree with it and think it's hypocritical that the SDK gets a board of its own (hmm, wonder why that may be. Infini is developing it, maybe, and he's an administrator? Can't contradict that logic).
Whatever, at least now that it's archived the key people working on it can stop dealing with billions of random invalid ideas and pressure from people to release source code (which I was going to do later anyway).
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The "community" aspect of it. How is it a community project if it's closed-source?
You're just a team of developers working on just another fan game, which happens to be on ZFGC.
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It's not open source. What does that have to do with anything?
I've got to agree with Ken here; it's a community project... By definition it should be completely open to the community; source and all. Realistically, it was essentially the same as every fan-game here. It, much like every other fan game here would greatly benefit from the current system. Although, talk to Infinitus about adding access-rights to project pages, so you can assign users who can modify your project page.
As for the SDK; it's a full development kit for Zelda games. It's much more suited for having it's own board, as it will have a learning curve. It's like a much more reliable GameMaker geared towards Zelda games. It's far more complex, and needing of a board.
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The "community" aspect of it. How is it a community project if it's closed-source?
You're just a team of developers working on just another fan game, which happens to be on ZFGC.
The SDK is just a team of developers working on a project. Definitely doesn't involve the entire community in its development.
And I've said this so many times it makes my brain hurt thinking about it; it's a community project by virtue of the fact that a team of members from all over the community were working on it. It doesn't have to be open for everyone to see or open-source coding to be a community project. I just absolutely fail to see why no one can understand this or agree with me here.
I PM'ed various admins requesting the CP boards be private again yet no one responded, and the admins made it public without giving the developers of the CP any true say in it.
You know what, this topic isn't the place to be arguing this. Obviously the staff made the decision they thought was best and I'm not going to try and change it. I disagree with it and think it's hypocritical that the SDK gets a board of its own (hmm, wonder why that may be. Infini is developing it, maybe, and he's an administrator? Can't contradict that logic). I also think the way I was informed of the board's being removed was kinda unprofessional. But I'm done discussing it here.
Whatever, at least now that it's archived the key people working on it can stop dealing with billions of random invalid ideas and pressure from people to release source code (which I was going to do later anyway).
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The "community" aspect of it. How is it a community project if it's closed-source?
You're just a team of developers working on just another fan game, which happens to be on ZFGC.
The SDK is just a team of developers working on a project. Definitely doesn't involve the entire community in its development.
And I've said this so many times it makes my brain hurt thinking about it; it's a community project by virtue of the fact that a team of members from all over the community were working on it. It doesn't have to be open for everyone to see or open-source coding to be a community project. In fact, I PM'ed various admins requesting the CP boards be private again yet no one responded, and the admins made it public without giving the developers of the CP any true say in it.
You know what, this topic isn't the place to be arguing this. Obviously the staff made the decision they thought was best and I'm not going to try and change it. I disagree with it and think it's hypocritical that the SDK gets a board of its own (hmm, wonder why that may be. Infini is developing it, maybe, and he's an administrator? Can't contradict that logic). I also think the way I was informed of the board's being removed was kinda unprofessional. But I'm done discussing it here.
Whatever, at least now that it's archived the key people working on it can stop dealing with billions of random invalid ideas and pressure from people to release source code (which I was going to do later anyway).
Community project isn't supported by ZFGC, therefore "ZFGCCP" =/= Community Project
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*sigh*
SDK is a staff sponsored project.
Community Project is a Community based project created by the users.
I apologize that your boards got 'demoted' during my administration, but it was felt by other administrators that the project was not progressing in a way we saw fit for it to be endorsed by us. -- Maybe it can be reconsidered or better organized in a way that fits the needs of the current admins.. My envision for endorsed projects was something along the lines of specific projects meeting specific requirements to get dedicated boards for discussion areas.. The way the new site is set up that really isn't needed with game pages.
I'm sure the CP will move along successfully if all goes well, don't give up on it, it was imo just a lack of communication on the administrations part and discussions with the head people of the CP. While I did endorse it and agree with it, I never followed up on any of it at all.
I think fighting over it/debating over it is kind of petty at this point.
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How do you check PM's with this new site? I don't know where the old bar was moved to.
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How do you check PM's with this new site? I don't know where the old bar was moved to.
Upper right hand corner, in the titlebar
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Meh, I am also pissed off at the community project, It feels really sad that the admin without asking any opinion just decided to move the board, I completely agree with Scooternew.
For me the SDK is no different than the CP, we have seen many tries at making engines for zelda games, what is the difference on this one? It is another project, following the Admins/Staff logic, the SDK doesn't need a board like the CP, because it is a private project and even if it leaves something to the community it shouldn't have a special board. IMO we should return the CP, I know it has been a year and no important progress has been made, but in the last two months we have seen many NPCs and the Rich side, The only reason there haws not been progress is due to the staff not doing anything productive to make people work at it. Seriously how many Fan games do we have? 10? 20? but the difference is that the CP is for anyone to work at it. As I said to Infini by PM we can always make the SDK the engine to the CP. I know it will take alot for the SDK to be fully developed, but the CP will also take alot to be concidered complete.
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...but the difference is that the CP is for anyone to work at it.
!@#$%. Scooter won't freely give out the source on request, which means that he's the only one able to work on the programming aspects of it. How is that available for "anyone to work at it?"
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...but the difference is that the CP is for anyone to work at it.
!@#$%. Scooter won't freely give out the source on request, which means that he's the only one able to work on the programming aspects of it. How is that available for "anyone to work at it?"
!@#$%, Scooter will give it to anyone who wants to work on it or has contributed on the CP, you just need to ask him. He will not give it to all the people here to see ten games with the exact same walking/stealing engine.
EDIT: and as far as I remember I haven't seen another coder wanting to work in the CP.
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Show me what you currently have as far as the source for the CP.
It's not open source. What does that have to do with anything?
If it's a community project, then it should be open to everybody, for anything, on request. We don't even have proof that he's made progress on it. And by not giving out current copies of the source, he effectively cuts other programmers out of the loop, and prevents others from being able to offer suggestions for improvement of the product.
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Wow, min thats really childish there is a DEMO and if you are going to quote part of it atleast read all his post:
It's not open source. What does that have to do with anything?
You know what, this topic isn't the place to be arguing this. Obviously the staff made the decision they thought was best and I'm not going to try and change it. I disagree with it and think it's hypocritical that the SDK gets a board of its own (hmm, wonder why that may be. Infini is developing it, maybe, and he's an administrator? Can't contradict that logic).
Whatever, at least now that it's archived the key people working on it can stop dealing with billions of random invalid ideas and pressure from people to release source code (which I was going to do later anyway).
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Scooternew has been releasing demos, you know. And they're pretty good. And when was the last time you contributed anything to the CP, Min? As Kren said, Scooter will give it to anyone who wants to work on it or has contributed on the CP. I don't remember you contributing anything to it. So maybe you should if you want to help. Maybe then you can help instead of just whining about it! The only thing I'm good at is ideas, and I've contributed a whole hell of a lot of them! You? Nothing I know of!
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Scooternew has been releasing demos, you know. And they're pretty good. And when was the last time you contributed anything to the CP, Min? As Kren said, Scooter will give it to anyone who wants to work on it or has contributed on the CP. I don't remember you contributing anything to it. So maybe you should if you want to help. Maybe then you can help instead of just whining about it! The only thing I'm good at is ideas, and I've contributed a whole hell of a lot of them! You? Nothing I know of!
That would probably be because I don't give a rat's ass about developing Zelda fan games. But, if it is a "ZFGC community project", then anybody should be able to request any part of it that is complete at any time to see progress on it. Regardless of whether they've "contributed". Otherwise, where the hell is the the "community" aspect of it? What if somebody who wishes to help on the programming front wants to see what has been completed, and what is available at the moment? Then he should be able to get the !@#$% so that he is able to help out :/
As for the plans to release the source later anyways, THAT ISN'T NOW, AND THAT ISN'T ON REQUEST. Releasing it "later" doesn't help people to help now.
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Patience is a virtue, you know. Also, I think someone once said that the CP is no longer really a community project. That said, think about this. It's been in production for how long? and it has been called the Community Project since the start. The CP is now archived, but you can still post there. ZFGC is Zelda Fan Game Central, and has always been called that (notwithstanding the other incarnations in its checkered past). Even though before there weren't many Zelda fan games. Now there is an influx of them. And the CP? anyone can post there (I think) despite it's being archived. Everyone in this forum is a potential idea giver for the CP. Or sprite maker. Or coder. We have the base staff, and I'm sure any other help would be appreciated. And one last thing. If you don't give a damn about making Zelda games, A. Why are you here? and B. Stop complaining about something you don't care about!
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Scooternew has been releasing demos, you know. And they're pretty good. And when was the last time you contributed anything to the CP, Min? As Kren said, Scooter will give it to anyone who wants to work on it or has contributed on the CP. I don't remember you contributing anything to it. So maybe you should if you want to help. Maybe then you can help instead of just whining about it! The only thing I'm good at is ideas, and I've contributed a whole hell of a lot of them! You? Nothing I know of!
That would probably be because I don't give a rat's ass about developing Zelda fan games. But, if it is a "ZFGC community project", then anybody should be able to request any part of it that is complete at any time to see progress on it. Regardless of whether they've "contributed". Otherwise, where the hell is the the "community" aspect of it? What if somebody who wishes to help on the programming front wants to see what has been completed, and what is available at the moment? Then he should be able to get the !@#$% so that he is able to help out :/
As for the plans to release the source later anyways, THAT ISN'T NOW, AND THAT ISN'T ON REQUEST. Releasing it "later" doesn't help people to help now.
hmm... Well why would you request what is completed when they are demos? the demos serve that function, they help people see what it has been done regardless of wheter they've contributed. Well if someone wishes to help he can simply ask scooternew what is missing, and then scooternew can easily give him the Source so he can do that part. And releasing demos help people to see what is done and that there is actual job done, there is no need to release soruce code when the they are demos about what is done, so that should help enough to make people help now,
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Scooter said it's not open-source. That means it's not a community project.
Anyways, it can't be a community project if it isn't supported by ZFGC.
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Scooter said it's not open-source. That means it's not a community project.
Anyways, it can't be a community project if it isn't supported by ZFGC.
sigh, he said that he was going to release it later on. I don't want to see a year of work done for nothing just because the code hasn't been released..
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Exactly, Pyro. For the longest time ZFGC was without Zelda Fan Games. Now the CP is not a community project. It's a CP in name only. And I have no problem with that.
Also, it will be open source, eventually. Patience, people. patience.