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Debates / Re: Christianity
« on: January 12, 2007, 08:53:00 pm »
Yes, it was...but I've learned by now that there's too many people with unchristian beliefs that want to speak...so I've given up on keeping it on topic. Christianity isn't a topic that people seem to want to talk about on here, just the LACK of it.

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Debates / Re: Christianity
« on: January 11, 2007, 10:40:48 pm »
Hmm...first of all, don't use Wikipedia as a valid source for anything, especially a religious debate. Wikipedia is easy to edit...who's to say some guy wouldn't go on there, make all this info on Mithras (who I know exists, along with the pagan holiday...that's why Christmas is on that day, to compete with the pagan holiday) just to disprove God, because religion is a touchy subject and people want their opinion to spread.

Secondly...how does archaeology prove that this Joshua dude was who we think Jesus is? I mean the Old Testament is basically written by Jesus, and while I'm sure there are some mistranslations (it has been translated into many languages afterall, English definately not the first) I doubt it would be that wrong. I mean I've never believed that digging up some artifacts can prove anything about religion, unless they dug up the original drafts of the bible and translated them word for word.

Thirdly, the whole Jesus not being white thing is pretty obvious...I mean by all logical reasons he should be middle eastern, short, and have very curly black hair (due to the whole jew thing). Probably did have the nappy beard and all, because of the times, and MAYBE the robe...although I doubt it was pure white (obviously done in an artistic holy style...but still unrealistic in a world where you can't even get your dirt off of OTHER dirt). We just have to relate to him more...so we make him this skinny white dude with a cool beard, long hair, and a pretty white robe. He is our savior, afterall...don't we have the right to make him into whatever we want? (sarcasm)

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Other Discussion / Re: I'm bored, ZFGC. Time for a short cynical rant.
« on: January 11, 2007, 10:24:50 pm »
I don't think it's dumb that girls put thought provoking phrases in their IMs and things...cause MAYBE someone that isn't brain rotted will read it and be inspired by it...what I hate is that they go on and on about those phrases because they think they have something totally valid to say, which guys do too...I'm a big example of that, but I notice it more with girls. I mean it's ALREADY thought-provoking, we don't need to hear some teenage angst-filled explanation of why it applies to your life and how amazingly the words are put together.

I also hate shortening words like you, are, etc. I mean it's not that hard to type a few extra letters, and you look a lot smarter. No wonder nobody can spell anymore, they don't try to. And then people end up failing English classes, and they're like "How do I fail a class of the language I speak? That's stupid...I hate school!" when in reality it was their own fault in the first place for allowed themselves to be rotted away by their laziness to PRACTICE what they learn in the first place. Instead they just tune it out, go home, and ask "how r u" to their buddies, and then go on a long, assumedly thought provoking speech about the meaning of "To be or not to be, that is the question"

...I'm done.

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You could have found it by now...

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Debates / Re: Christianity
« on: January 11, 2007, 01:13:30 am »
Jesus did not create religion, he created the basis of the Christian religion.  His followers set up things in order to appease and pray to him, but he did not.  Organized Christianity was not founded by Jesus.  Jesus was a messenger telling people the story.  Did he worship himself?  He did kind of paradoxally, so it does not really count; plus he was a human when he taught it.  Plus, at the time of his preaching, the Bible was not complete, so he was not even teaching the rest of the Bible but mainly variations on the ideas of Judeism.   

I did not say that the Bible was a human construct, but the religion that uses it as its basis is a human construct because it involves human interpretation.  Also, I might add, that the religion only became complete when Jesus returned to the right hand of god.  Then it was a religion based on the belief that he did all of those things.  The books of Genesis and the Old Testament were the words of god prior to Jesus' existence.  Well, even though Jesus and God, as you believe, are the same, I doubt that baby Jesus could do all the things god could; human impairment.  Also, if you had leperacy, you would walk up to anyone telling you it was going to be alright.  Finally, the New Testament contains a lot of letters that Jesus did not write himself, but his disciples did, so unless his disciples are perfect, the dictation could have been a human interpretation as well.

I could also say this I guess: There is a reason going to church is not a commandment.


Okay, I go with the fact that the Bible wasn't complete back then, and that it wasn't finished until AFTER Jesus' reign...but that doesn't mean that the people following Jesus and the beliefs he brought were not considered religion. I mean, in somewhat of a comparison, the first actor was considered as such just because he stepped out of the chorus and spoke for the first time ever. Definately not what we'd consider an actor today...but still, that's all it took to start it. Why can't some people believing in Jesus as the messiah be considered the start of Christianity?

And when did I say that I believe Jesus and God are the same person?

Plus...I like that little thing "There is a reason going to church isn't a commandment." Never heard that before...it makes sense. I mean there's Thou Shalt not Kill, and all that...nothing about Thou Shalt Not Practice Religion Outside of Thine's place of worship. I guess church and congregated assembly isn't necessary for religious beliefs...but it's mainly so everyone can share their views and better understand religion together. Although it doesn't make much sense anyway...cause we're just being preached to by some other guy, no better than ourselves, that went to school to learn about God from ANOTHER guy no better than ourselves.

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Other Discussion / Re: weird thing happened...
« on: January 11, 2007, 01:00:26 am »
The basically just slap the Wal-Mart brand on other people's stuff. I think they do have some of their own groceries though, maybe.

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Debates / Re: Christianity
« on: January 10, 2007, 03:54:11 am »
How is religion a human construct? I mean look at the bible...Jesus's words. Not to mention Jesus was sent here by God in the first place to spread his beliefs. Sure...he spread the personal feeling to people...but he created organized religion...because people would come and pray to him and whatnot. Just because Jesus isn't walking around anymore is no reason not to get together and pray to him.

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Debates / Re: So, ZFGC, Who shot JFK?
« on: January 10, 2007, 03:51:06 am »
He wasn't shot...he was killed in the Observatory by Mr. Green with the candlestick.

I need to stop playing Clue...

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Other Discussion / Re: So i bought a pair of girls jeans
« on: January 10, 2007, 03:49:39 am »
True...but I like my Old Navy, it's comfortable. I already don't look good, so I just go for comfort...cause my personality makes up for my looks anyway  :P

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Other Discussion / Re: So i bought a pair of girls jeans
« on: January 10, 2007, 12:05:59 am »
Yeah...I wear a lot of Old Navy...and I notice that they size things weird, like something will fit me...but then the sleeves will be really long. Like they expect people shopping there to have freakishly long arms and small torsos.

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Debates / Re: Christianity
« on: January 09, 2007, 09:52:35 pm »
So he believes in God, but not the organized religions that believe in God?

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Other Discussion / Re: So i bought a pair of girls jeans
« on: January 09, 2007, 09:51:19 pm »
Yeah, cause the 10s won't cut off your circulation enough :p

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Debates / Re: Christianity
« on: January 09, 2007, 02:33:43 am »
ISn't following religion and having Jesus/God in your life the same thing?

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Entertainment / Re: Where is Nintendo waiting for?
« on: January 09, 2007, 02:27:50 am »
I hope nobody learns how to heck the Wii...people need to stop being so cheap and just paying for the games if they think they're worth playing. Pony up like $5...you already saved like $300 by not buying a PS3, splurge on a few VC games!

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Debates / Re: Christianity
« on: January 08, 2007, 03:59:56 am »
Because there were a lot of crazy ideas in the 19th century...people were crazy with their ideals back then.

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Debates / Re: What do you say when an Athiest sneezes?
« on: January 08, 2007, 03:58:29 am »
What does gesundheit mean?

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Entertainment / Re: Where is Nintendo waiting for?
« on: January 08, 2007, 03:57:36 am »
For one, they want to make the virtual console like a real console...all the amazing games don't come out at once, they're stretched out across the life of the console. So by spitting out a few of the well known games with the classics that a lot of people never played...they can please the fan base and also show some games that a lot of people never knew about, or at least never played. They're hoping that instead of everyone just getting all the amazing games and nothing else, that they'll try out a few of the lesser known titles, which sometimes are just as good...but not well known enough names for people to notice at the time.

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Debates / Re: Christianity
« on: January 06, 2007, 11:00:15 pm »
True debating, in my opinion, is not a bombardment contest, but a gradual intellectual progression. 

I believe that different viewpoints make conflict and thus make themselves more concrete.  For example, the different Christian groups, they all claim differences on certain things, and to separate themselves they have more examples of concrete beliefs.  Thus, more groups equals more concrete beliefs.  One Christian group would not have all these concrete beliefs which are also variations in interpretation.  The only thing they have in common is that they derive their interpretations from the same source.

Then a different relgious group comes out, for example radical Islam.  All Christians feel threatened because the radical Islamists derive their beliefs from something else.  This is the source of unity for the Christians.  However, they feel that they have to combine into a single entity to show that they are firmly against radical Islam; they do not necessarily do it, but it is a fear impulse: strength in numbers.  Why could they not just have a unified support without becoming a single entity?  Radical Islam is divided as well.  Those who fight are weak in their argument.

If one thing does not work then something else should be put in?  Just because you feel something has a problem does not mean that a small change might not fix it.  Maybe the whole problem is organized religion.  I say we abolish that.  It breeds hate and bigotry.  People should practice their beliefs without the control and harsh direction of others.  Now that is a radical and new change.





I do agree that to abolish organized religion would stop the religious conflicts...but what you're proposing is religious anarchy, basically. A God free-for-all. To say to everyone "You can all believe what you want, no strings attached" is just asking for trouble. Other than the fact that religion is meant to be shared among fellow believers...which basically wouldn't happen under your concept because any religious congregation would be considered 'organized religion' and be illegal, I would assume, it would also breed much more uncontrolled violence. You can't simply abolish religion...it's too embedded in our culture. Gonna start burning down churches, and getting rid of religious clubs and organizations in schools? Take 'under God' out of the pledge because people shouldn't have to say it if they don't believe it...not allow bibles to be sold in public vendors because some non-believers wouldn't want them around, and once you start abolishing any form of religion...the atheists start to get wise and find ways to get more. And of course bibles couldn't be sold in private vendors either, because they wouldn't be allowed to exist...religious stores would be another form of organized religion. Doing anything to start abolishing religion is to accept atheism, and it will only end in a nation where God is not allowed to live, which is crazy...because he's everywhere.

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Entertainment / Re: Biggest let-downs of 2006
« on: January 06, 2007, 10:43:04 pm »
you people can say the davinci code is fiction all you want, and it is, but that doesn't change the fact that he based the book on "real" facts.  he presents everything in that book as a fact.  to him, the only reason it's fiction is because the people that do things in it aren't real and the events that they do never happened.  but i don't think about it very much. he's just one of the millions out there that don't believe in God.

Um...where does it say that he presents everything as fact? Actually...he states that it's a fiction, with some scientific backing. He found this evidence that people actually believe, and put it in there as the plot for his FICTION book. That doesn't mean that he believes it, or that we should all be offended because he's dissing our beliefs, or whatever. I mean all sorts of books have done that...Jurassic Park is fiction with scientific backing...you don't see anyone believing they can grow dinosaurs. People just have to get offended because it deals with religion, and religion is a sore subject.

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Graphics / Re: Ashe.
« on: January 06, 2007, 10:37:55 pm »
That's something you drew? Looks almost like it was just a screenshot from the game...crazy.

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