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ZFGC.com => Updates => Topic started by: Vash on January 05, 2008, 12:02:37 am
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I'm sorry to say I'll be unable to continue the operation of this forum. I have found that ZFGC is taking up far too much time, with very little productivity out of it. I need something that I can physically see results with and right now I'm just not feeling it with ZFGC. Whether it by my style of leadership or the current state of ZFGC itself, I really don't know. Regardless I can't keep up with the demand ZFGC is requiring when I get no enjoyment out of managing it at all.
I realized this today while chatting with a few former members about the current state of ZFGC. The thought finally clicked when I came to the realization of what I want to see ZFGC become. My vision for the forum consisted of a (Zelda) Fan Game website, which seems fairly achievable from a distance. Looking closer I've come to realize without ZFGC's original purpose (OoT2D) there's nothing that pushes ZFGC towards the fan gaming element. I want to note I do recognize the successes of AoDC, King Mob and others with creating amazing games over the past few years, I just feel there should be more than a handful of games to account for. I've also come to realize that attempting to push ZFGC towards the (Zelda) Fan Game concept is nearly impossible, because its very similar to what was done to the user base during Project-X. We forced users to focus on one thing, while they were attempting to focus on another, which ultimately lead to the downfall of the project over all.
Now, I'm not saying that ZFGC can never achieve these results, but I am saying I am not the person to take ZFGC there.
I will be stepping down from the title of "General Manager" of ZFGC. Due to an agreement with Justin (Metallica) I will not be giving up the domain name, if I did the domain name would ultimately return to his hands if it goes anywhere at all.
With that said I plan on discussing my options as soon as possible with Mammy regarding my replacement.
You're free to comment on this post if you feel the need to do so. I've opened announcements to posting.
Thanks to everyone who have helped me along the way and specifically to those of you who put up a fight with me, and supported me at my side. You've all made me grow in different ways.
Thanks ZFGC! :)
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Cya Andrew, I think my post in the staff board more or less covers my feelings. You'll be missed :).
ZFGC just can't survive at the moment gived its very narrow target audience, especially when users are so resistent to change.
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This was a bit unexpected, but I suppose it's not entirely surprising.
I can't really blame you, as I feel about the same way. I feel as though I put far too much time into ZFGC, (and I'm not even that active of a member, much less a part of the staff), that I could otherwise put to more constructive use. There is a definite lack of focus overall, but it doesn't seem that there is a great deal that can be done to change this without alienating a good portion of the user-base. I feel bad for saying this, but I've started to ignore all the fan game projects almost completely. I would leave, but I enjoy the community for the most part, with only a handful of annoying exceptions.
I hope you stick around in some capacity now that you've freed yourself from official obligations with the site, (not including maintaining ownership of the domain). If you do leave, you will be missed. You've done a great job, and I thank you for that.
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Well, this was kind of out of the blue...
I hope you have a good time doing whatever else you were going to do, I hope Mammy becomes the General Manager :D
Other than that, I just think it is hard for us to attract new members other than through word of mouth, or friends at school... I guess that's just how the cookie crumbles, there is hardly an attraction to Zelda Fangaming anymore, AoDC's project was pretty much our last hope.
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Well, this was kind of out of the blue...
I hope you have a good time doing whatever else you were going to do, I hope Mammy becomes the General Manager :D
Other than that, I just think it is hard for us to attract new members other than through word of mouth, or friends at school... I guess that's just how the cookie crumbles, there is hardly an attraction to Zelda Fangaming anymore, AoDC's project was pretty much our last hope.
If you haven't already, take a look at King Mob's project: http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=3937.0
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As I said before, it's been an honor serving under you.
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I have always been your biggest source of disagreement, but for good reason, so I understood when you were frustrated; I never thought that you would step down when the disagreements were for the most part ended by my voluntary demotion and promotion of Mamoruanime, it seemed like everything cooled down a bit because of that. I know the general feeling of a stressful work load; if I left completely, the moderation would buckle and die. But whatever, your service has been admirable and you did what you needed to do.
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Keep in touch.
Also, I apologize for my recent inactivity. My house has been under remodeling and my net connection goes crazy (the contractors often play with the cables). I will try to be more active.
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Wow, this is really unexpected. I'm sorry to see you step down. We've definitely had our fights in the past, but i respect you. You will be missed.
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O.o this is quite unexpected; and suckful lol
/me stabs
we must talk for a moment lol
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*80% sure zfgc is absolutely !@#$% now*
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very unexpected :( i wish you luck
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*80% sure zfgc is absolutely !@#$% now*
I'm probably gonna have to agree with .TakaM with that one.
Anyhow, we will all miss you, and your very long almost professional-like posts, but also the work you did for ZFGC. I'm sure none of us will forget you though. I also have to say that I hope you don't completely quit, and you will come back every once in a while.
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*80% sure zfgc is absolutely !@#$% now*
I'm surprised it took so long for a cynical response to appear.
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I didn't mean it like I was 100% sure while andrew was admin
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That was really unexpected.
You were the best admin I've ever seen in any forum, but if you think you must resign, then do it :D
Lets just hope that under Mammy(or whoever) we as a forum will prosper.
~LynkW
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I'm sorry to hear this but I understand your reasons completely. It seems like the only thing the members here have in common nowadays is that they've been members of the same forum for four years... :P Whatever happens to this place now, it will be worse off for your resignation. And I'd like to say a thank you too - your help in a couple of matters has been very much appreciated.
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I've been around the block a few times on several other forums (it tends to happen when you join them in 2000 and remain active to this day), so a General Administrator stepping down and handing the power to another is nothing new to me. Regardless, this was a bit of a surprise, as I figured you were doing a pretty good job at keeping the site together. Well, good luck on down the road, Andrew. You will be missed.
Also, don't feel like a failure (you've put yourself down a few times). If and when ZFGC is complete FOR REAL, the lot of us will remember you as the guy to who kick started the whole process. Congrats.
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ZFGC has become less of its self already.
There is hardly even a Z, F, or even a G. It seems that the community, after everyone gave up hope for OoT 2D, it became more of a community central, sure, we all still, or most of us hopefully, still love Zelda. But this community has left Zelda behind. When a new zelda game comes out, we all make a big hype, but other than that, no one cares for Zelda in conjunction with this forum.
Your resignation as general manager is big, but I don't think we should be so focused on Zelda anymore. If we wanted to get Zelda back into the forums, we'd basically have to delete everything and restart it purely for Zelda. The community is making it's own way. ZFGC was only real back in OoT 2D days, now it's just a community. The current core values of the community are itself, graphics, game design in general, itself, gaming in general, and maybe debates. I honestly beleive, no offence, that 'General manager' was a figure head position anyway, In terms of the public. obviously he/she maintains the domain name and hosting etc. But we have a team of staff who take care of the whole site, and the public directs the forum. Only a dictatorship could work to get Zelda back here. So in all honesty, you stepping down as general manager just means you do not hold the hosting/domain name control... unless you do. In which case I don't think there will be any real significant change.
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I honestly beleive, no offence, that 'General manager' was a figure head position anyway, In terms of the public. obviously he/she maintains the domain name and hosting etc. But we have a team of staff who take care of the whole site, and the public directs the forum. Only a dictatorship could work to get Zelda back here. So in all honesty, you stepping down as general manager just means you do not hold the hosting/domain name control... unless you do. In which case I don't think there will be any real significant change.
Being an administrator and general manager is much more than holding the domain name. For example, 4Sword was the general manager but never had control of the site, while Andrew has stepped down from being one yet still owns the domain name. Administrators are essentially the leaders, at the very top of the ladder as far as staff goes. They are the moderators' moderators, they make the final decisions and ultimately dictate the direction the site should go in.
I think that's the general gist of it anyway, it's been a long time since I was a part of the staff so I could be a bit off.
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I think Domo answered it the best. ZFGC's structure (currently) Looks like this.
Owner / General Manager: Andrew
Technical Administrator(s): Kirby, Windy
Moderation Administrator: Mammy
Head Moderator 1: Tom Pel
Head Moderator 2: Vacant (Limey held this position)
The general administrator is the boss of the team leaders, respectably Kirby and Mammy. My job seems fairly stress free from the outside, but when you get to the point of where you can't take your own website, where you want it to go, you've hit a wall.
Perhaps Mammy's plan for taking the website down for a few weeks will help rejuvenate it. I think all of us could use a break.
Just a note: While I have resigned, I've realized I have no one to replace me at this point in time. So currently, I'll still hold the position, but just playing a 'back roll' for now. I don't feel Mammy is on quite enough to take up the position of day-to-day management of the forum. Our Technical Admins are currently both on holiday as well. Perhaps this down time will change my mind anyway.. I don't know yet, we'll see how it goes.
Thanks for the comments, everyone.
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^Indeed
Andrew has a lot on his plate, and I'm sure I'm getting annoying with all of my "Approve this action plx!" questions XD (Yes, I annoyingly run things by him before I take action, but thats because I feel its necessary to properly take on the position)...
:( and also agreed on the not enough time to take on the full position, though I'll have more time here shortly (my 3 days off will soon become 2 again, and it'll be like an 8 hour a night every night thing for me and being on ZFGC).
The down time will be a good time for people to reconnect to things... Chat will still be up anyway, so feel free to go there if anyone's longing to get their ZFGC on :p... I'm also hoping it revitalizes Andrews outlook on managing ZFGC; we need him here :P without him its just kinda... well it wont work lol But while he's on the back roll, everything will be run by him first, at least by me anyway :P arbitrary action without agreement from your superiors isn't quite... good :P
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I could see you were getting heavy into it to a stressful extent, so resignation is no surprise. It's just... upsetting, I guess. You obviously had some good goals.
Hopefully Mamo will not follow the same path, despite every past Admin in ZFGC history giving up eventually.
Edit: And I don't know why you mentioned my work, it was a lost cause from the start. Gorthwogh's Zelda Mobile is more worthy of naming.
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Your leaving. But you were the best Admin ever!!!! The forum may crumble now!! WAHH!!!!!