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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2007, 10:56:41 pm »

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Quote from: Pyru on October 19, 2007, 10:32:32 pm

Artists often don't get paid a set amount for any songs they record; instead, they earn a share of the profits. And considering a lot of artists have to buy their own studio time, making that up on records sales is very important, which can't be done if people just steal their creative work.

And while stealing a car may not be the same thing, you're still denying someone, somewhere, a living. No matter how !@#$% poor you believe yourself to be, you can't condone taking income away from someone else just so can listen to some fuckin' Jay-Z or whatever.

We're taking away POTENTIAL income.

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Dantztron 3030 Mammy's Favorite Storyteller!	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #21 on: October 19, 2007, 11:01:09 pm »
b e p i s Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 3594	Quote from: FISSURE on October 19, 2007, 10:09:30 pm Quote from: Knivu on October 19, 2007, 10:03:55 pm Quote from: Pyru on October 19, 2007, 08:37:02 pm Quote from: Knivu on October 19, 2007, 08:05:56 pm Quote from: Pyru on October 19, 2007, 07:50:12 pm I think people forget that there's actually a third option: buy, pirate and gasp don't buy. You don't just steal everything in a store because you can't afford it; if you don't have the money, just don't buy it. I understand your point, but you have to see: music and games (the only things I pirate) are an integral part of my life and were before this whole college thing. I'm not going to go without because I don't have any !@#$% money. That's like saying that because you used to own a car, and it was a huge part of your life, it's okay to steal one. Or that because you had a girlfriend and she was really important to you, it's okay to go out and rape some random chick. No it's not. Car or woman = video game or music? lolwut? Same basic thing, you said that since Video Games and music is a huge part of your life, you pirate them since you're too poor to buy them. He is saying, the same can be said for stealing a car because you're too poor to buy one. No it can't. Logged
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FISSURE	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #22 on: October 19, 2007, 11:09:10 pm »
Reputation: +9/-1 Offline Gender: Posts: 4654	Quote from: Knivu on October 19, 2007, 11:01:09 pm Quote from: FISSURE on October 19, 2007, 10:09:30 pm Quote from: Knivu on October 19, 2007, 10:03:55 pm Quote from: Pyru on October 19, 2007, 08:37:02 pm Quote from: Knivu on October 19, 2007, 08:05:56 pm Quote from: Pyru on October 19, 2007, 07:50:12 pm I think people forget that there's actually a third option: buy, pirate and gasp don't buy. You don't just steal everything in a store because you can't afford it; if you don't have the money, just don't buy it. I understand your point, but you have to see: music and games (the only things I pirate) are an integral part of my life and were before this whole college thing. I'm not going to go without because I don't have any !@#$% money. That's like saying that because you used to own a car, and it was a huge part of your life, it's okay to steal one. Or that because you had a girlfriend and she was really important to you, it's okay to go out and rape some random chick. No it's not. Car or woman = video game or music? lolwut? Same basic thing, you said that since Video Games and music is a huge part of your life, you pirate them since you're too poor to buy them. He is saying, the same can be said for stealing a car because you're too poor to buy one. No it can't. Can too! Logged
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Ricky	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #23 on: October 19, 2007, 11:41:14 pm »
Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 2690	I reccur to piracy since I'm very poor, and my parents just give me a weekly 4 Euro. It would take, then,15 weeks to buy a full-price game... >_< But I still prefer the original material, and try to find the smallest price possible. Logged

Giverny Christ on Acid	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #24 on: October 19, 2007, 11:41:59 pm »
Bitte ScheiÃŸe Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 1159	Piracy all the way.Somebody offers you a vista disk, you mentally retarded if you don't accept it. Logged
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FISSURE	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #25 on: October 19, 2007, 11:43:07 pm »
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BuffaloBurgers U B DA WAT!?	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #26 on: October 19, 2007, 11:49:09 pm »
Reputation: +7/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 535	Quote from: Pyru on October 19, 2007, 10:32:32 pm Artists often don't get paid a set amount for any songs they record; instead, they earn a share of the profits. And considering a lot of artists have to buy their own studio time, making that up on records sales is very important, which can't be done if people just steal their creative work. And while stealing a car may not be the same thing, you're still denying someone, somewhere, a living. No matter how !@#$% poor you believe yourself to be, you can't condone taking income away from someone else just so can listen to some fuckin' Jay-Z or whatever. The RIAA hordes almost all of that money. Send your artist a check in the mail for the CD and download it. They'll be 10x better off. That's why Radiohead's trying the "You decide what you pay" thing with In Rainbows. Logged
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Nebetsu Harbinger	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #27 on: October 20, 2007, 12:10:14 am »
Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 490	Quote from: Pyru on October 19, 2007, 08:37:02 pm Quote from: Knivu on October 19, 2007, 08:05:56 pm Quote from: Pyru on October 19, 2007, 07:50:12 pm I think people forget that there's actually a third option: buy, pirate and gasp don't buy. You don't just steal everything in a store because you can't afford it; if you don't have the money, just don't buy it. I understand your point, but you have to see: music and games (the only things I pirate) are an integral part of my life and were before this whole college thing. I'm not going to go without because I don't have any !@#$% money. That's like saying that because you used to own a car, and it was a huge part of your life, it's okay to steal one. Or that because you had a girlfriend and she was really important to you, it's okay to go out and rape some random chick. Bad comparison. If you steal a song that you weren't going to buy anyways, nobody loses anything. If you steal a car, some poor guy is out of a car. Logged
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Delko	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #28 on: October 20, 2007, 01:27:22 am »
When you express in one word, â€œthe anusâ€ Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 468	What if you copy the car onto CD. [edit] I realized a CDs too small for a car, you could probably use a DVDR or a flash drive. « Last Edit: October 20, 2007, 01:29:10 am by Delko » Logged

Nebetsu Harbinger	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #29 on: October 20, 2007, 04:07:44 am »
Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 490	Quote from: Delko on October 20, 2007, 01:27:22 am What if you copy the car onto CD. [edit] I realized a CDs too small for a car, you could probably use a DVDR or a flash drive. Then they havn't lost anything and there's no harm done. Logged
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dehvknull	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #30 on: October 20, 2007, 04:15:15 am »
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« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2007, 04:26:21 am »

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I am for piracy, as long as its not used for personal commercial gain. For example; I have fruity loops 5, and Sony Acid. I use them for my own personal, non-commercial compositions and live-input recording; however, if I were to sell anything I make, I would feel obligated to buy the tools I used for whichever commercial product sold.

Its like when my old boss had me pirate Macromedia Flash MX 2004 so he could have a nice website. I told him "I'll do this, but before you launch the site you better buy MX 2004". Ultimately, he did... <_< (what he didnt do is buy Camtasia Studio when I told him to get that to do his product tutorials... *shrugs* the !@#$% lol)

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Giverny Christ on Acid	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #32 on: October 20, 2007, 04:34:02 am »
Bitte ScheiÃŸe Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 1159	I'll pirate any tools I need. Speakin of, that GM7 Crack sux0rz. The chance of you not getting the XTreamLock window is 1 in a million. Too bad its the only one out there. Rock on GM6 Keygen. Anybody here use styleXP Quote from: FISSURE on October 19, 2007, 11:43:07 pm I pirate stuff for the hell of it, tis fun Quote Piracy all the way.Somebody offers you a vista disk, you mentally retarded if you don't accept it. Nah, XP is better Of course, I just said Vista cause its worth more, and newer. XP ALL DA WAI! Logged
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« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2007, 04:01:32 pm »

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Nebetsu, you're wrong. According to you, stealing would only be wrong if someone were to "lose" something. So if I stole a CD from a store, you'd consider that stealing (since the store "loses" the CD)... but if I downloaded the songs then it wouldn't be? But if that was true then that would mean you are just paying for the materials it's made from, which is obviously not the case because a CD with songs is more expensive than a blank CD. A different case is would be not paying for a service... for example if you hire a plumber and then refuse to pay him when he's done then no one physically "loses" anything. Point is, stealing is stealing... it doesn't matter if some actual object is lost or not.
However if it was a song that you didn't intend on buying anyway then piracy might not be so bad, and it might actually help sales. Not that that makes it any less illegal

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Nebetsu Harbinger	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #34 on: October 21, 2007, 07:32:47 pm »
Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 490	Quote from: dannyjenn on October 20, 2007, 04:01:32 pm Nebetsu, you're wrong. According to you, stealing would only be wrong if someone were to "lose" something. So if I stole a CD from a store, you'd consider that stealing (since the store "loses" the CD)... but if I downloaded the songs then it wouldn't be? But if that was true then that would mean you are just paying for the materials it's made from, which is obviously not the case because a CD with songs is more expensive than a blank CD. A different case is would be not paying for a service... for example if you hire a plumber and then refuse to pay him when he's done then no one physically "loses" anything. Point is, stealing is stealing... it doesn't matter if some actual object is lost or not. However if it was a song that you didn't intend on buying anyway then piracy might not be so bad, and it might actually help sales. Not that that makes it any less illegal The thing is that the plumber lost his time. If you download a song that you weren't going to buy anyways, nobody loses anything and can't really be considered as stealing. And it's not illegal in Canada! Logged
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« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2007, 07:40:04 pm »

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How can you prove you "weren't going to buy it anyway"?

I mean, seriously, by your logic, I could download every single work of music ever and excuse it by "Oh, I was never going to buy any of this otherwise". I will have screwed over MILLIONS of people in the music industry - artists, technicians, producers, marketers, hell, even the guys who work in the bloody shops, all over a !@#$% lie.

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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2007, 07:55:16 pm »

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Quote from: Nebetsu on October 21, 2007, 07:32:47 pm

The thing is that the plumber lost his time. If you download a song that you weren't going to buy anyways, nobody loses anything and can't really be considered as stealing. And it's not illegal in Canada!

Well the artist spent time / money recording the song. The difference is that the plumber can only sell his "time" to one person, but the artist is getting money from lots of different people so it seems like nothing is lost. But suppose no one actually bought the CD?
I agree that if you weren't planning on buying the song anyway (or unsure about buying it) then it wouldn't really hurt them at all (it's not much different than hearing the song on the radio)... but if you like the song then you should buy it. And if you don't like the song then there's really no reason to be downloading / keeping it. If you illegally download it just for the purpose of not paying for it then I consider that to be stealing

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Giverny Christ on Acid	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #37 on: October 21, 2007, 07:59:26 pm »
Bitte ScheiÃŸe Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 1159	Quote from: Nebetsu on October 21, 2007, 07:32:47 pm Quote from: dannyjenn on October 20, 2007, 04:01:32 pm Nebetsu, you're wrong. According to you, stealing would only be wrong if someone were to "lose" something. So if I stole a CD from a store, you'd consider that stealing (since the store "loses" the CD)... but if I downloaded the songs then it wouldn't be? But if that was true then that would mean you are just paying for the materials it's made from, which is obviously not the case because a CD with songs is more expensive than a blank CD. A different case is would be not paying for a service... for example if you hire a plumber and then refuse to pay him when he's done then no one physically "loses" anything. Point is, stealing is stealing... it doesn't matter if some actual object is lost or not. However if it was a song that you didn't intend on buying anyway then piracy might not be so bad, and it might actually help sales. Not that that makes it any less illegal The thing is that the plumber lost his time. If you download a song that you weren't going to buy anyways, nobody loses anything and can't really be considered as stealing. And it's not illegal in Canada! Everything is illegal in Canada! Piracy is illegal, but who cares?(save developers) Logged
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TheDarkJay	Re: Piracy... >> « Reply #38 on: October 21, 2007, 08:15:40 pm »
(y)(;>.<;)(y) Reputation: +0/-0 Offline Gender: Posts: 3293	In Canada isn't it illegal to Upload but not to Download? So Bittorrenting copyright files is still illegal I guess Out of curiosity how is downloading music from a sharing program any different to burning them to CD and handing them to the person, aside from the obvious waste of a CD? Or is that also illegal? Logged

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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2007, 08:18:05 pm »

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Quote from: TheDarkJay on October 21, 2007, 08:15:40 pm

In Canada isn't it illegal to Upload but not to Download?
So Bittorrenting copyright files is still illegal I guess

Out of curiosity how is downloading music from a sharing program any different to burning them to CD and handing them to the person, aside from the obvious waste of a CD?

Or is that also illegal?

Technically it is illegal. When you purchase the music cd, you are purchasing the right to play the songs basically. The songs are not your property. But technically, they cannot do anything to you until you ask for money for a burned cd.

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