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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #140 on: July 19, 2006, 11:11:17 pm »
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what made God appear?
Maybe He's always been there.  He didn't have to "appear".  There are plenty of things around us that had no beginning.  Maybe God's one of those things ;)
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #141 on: July 19, 2006, 11:13:18 pm »
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what made God appear?
Maybe He's always been there.  He didn't have to "appear".  There are plenty of things around us that had no beginning.  Maybe God's one of those things ;)

Speculation. Evidence, please? Cite something that's not biased, religious and entirely (or even mostly) fictional, if you will.

Pretty much what you'd say to me in any other debate. :P
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #142 on: July 19, 2006, 11:18:09 pm »
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Are you reffering to things that have had no beginning or God having no beginning, lol.

If you're reffering to the latter, it's in the Bible, lol.

If the former, then there's no real link that I can hand you that will cover every idea (especially if you accept all aspects of the Big Bang theory), but the very best read is possibly here.

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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #143 on: July 19, 2006, 11:21:28 pm »
Quote from: 2awesome4apossum on July 19, 2006, 11:18:09 pm
Are you reffering to things that have had no beginning or God having no beginning, lol.

If you're reffering to the latter, it's in the Bible, lol.

I said refer to something that's not biased, religious and mostly fictious. The bible is, in fact, all three of those.

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If the former, then there's no real link that I can hand you that will cover every idea (especially if you accept all aspects of the Big Bang theory), but the very best read is possibly here

I do believe that somethings have existed for "eternity", because the idea of literally nothing existing (no matter, no energy) defies logic... especially that law saying energy cannot be created or destroyed, merely transfered? Yeah, something coming from nothing would break that law.
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #144 on: July 19, 2006, 11:22:58 pm »
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I said refer to something that's not biased, religious and mostly fictious. The bible is, in fact, all three of those.
Only one of those :)

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I do believe that somethings have existed for "eternity", because the idea of literally nothing existing (no matter, no energy) defies logic... especially that law saying energy cannot be created or destroyed, merely transfered? Yeah, something coming from nothing would break that law.
Then there we go :)
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #145 on: July 19, 2006, 11:37:44 pm »
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I said refer to something that's not biased, religious and mostly fictious. The bible is, in fact, all three of those.
Only one of those :)

1. Biased: Biased towards the religious views and statements it wishes to purvey.

2. Religious: It's... uh... all about a religion. Or two. It's the holy book. What do you expect?

3. Mostly fictious: There is absolutely no evidence for a large number of biblically described events. There are no records kept by the majority of the people the early Israelites/Hebrews/Jews/whatever you wanna call them supposedly interacted with, including the Egyptians, who kept detailed records of everything - their victories AND defeats.

So, yeah. All three. :P
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #146 on: July 20, 2006, 07:19:32 am »
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Ok...how can life simply "appear?" Even micro-organisms had to start somewhere.

That also has nothing to do with evolution; Evolution is changes in a population over time. The thing you're thinking about is abiogenesis, but that doesn't say that they 'appeared'; it's the idea that life started in a primordial sea slowly and gradually.
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« Reply #147 on: August 03, 2006, 08:42:46 am »
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That argument is flawed.  The fact that people were more "behaved" is true in certain areas of the past decades, but that is only because they shared their religion and not because that religion in itself preaches good values.  For example, radical Islamists can hate other people with a passion, but because they are like each other, they do not fight with each other.  Do not go around saying that religion is the grounds for good moral behavior; Christainity in other places of the world can be violent too.  Religion and morals are seperate things.

So, the world may have seemed better to you back then because there was not as much violence.  This was also due to the lack of interaction.  However, I remember there being some excellent examples of violence back a few decades ago.  You probably have not studied or have not learned about it yet.  Some were not religiously based too.  In conclusion, religion, Christianity in particular, is not the salvation from troubles that you are trying to sell it as.  It is just as much of a problem as it is a solution.

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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #148 on: August 03, 2006, 08:10:07 pm »
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I know that they are similar, but what I mean is that believing in God is not a moral, but being a good person is.  The first five books of the Old Testament is the only truly religious part of the book in my opinion; mainly because they are also found in the Torah.  The rest of it is mainly people telling stories, and that is not really religious anyway.  So, most of the Bible is based on faith and stories that were chosen to be canonized and may or may not be true.
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #149 on: August 04, 2006, 01:34:21 am »
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Quote from: Pyru on July 19, 2006, 11:21:28 pm
I do believe that somethings have existed for "eternity", because the idea of literally nothing existing (no matter, no energy) defies logic... especially that law saying energy cannot be created or destroyed, merely transfered? Yeah, something coming from nothing would break that law.

Sorry. I have to quote.

Guess what, buddy? You just unknowlingly debunked the big bang theory. Any other methods to debunk evolution? :P
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #150 on: August 04, 2006, 05:07:18 am »
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How did he debunk the big bang? Unless you're refering to his statement saying that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted. Here's the thing about that: the big bang did not create anything. The theory of the big bang states that all matter that exists (since matter connot be created or destroyed either) was contained in a very small space. At one point it "exploded" as it were, and released large amounts of energy, projecting the mass outwards. Now it may seem like energy was just created out of nowhere, but before that explosion the energy could have been merely potential.That energy was not created, but merely converted into kinetic energy, thus sending the bits of things out into the universe.

As you can see the big bang theory supports the law in that all matter and enrgy were not created, but released and converted. That amount of energy (eg: all energy) would undoubtedly create a huge explosion of sorts, thus giving it the name "The Big Bang".
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #151 on: August 04, 2006, 08:49:48 pm »
Actually, if you let matter collide with antimatter the matter is 'destroyed' and energy is 'created'
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #152 on: August 04, 2006, 09:11:13 pm »
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Actually, if you let matter collide with antimatter the matter is 'destroyed' and energy is 'created'

Nope. Nuclear physics leads to suggest that matter itself is consisted entirely of energy; in "destroying" matter, you are merely releasing the energy that it was formed from.
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #153 on: August 05, 2006, 05:26:41 pm »
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Quote from: Pyru on August 04, 2006, 09:11:13 pm
Quote from: tippz on August 04, 2006, 08:49:48 pm
Actually, if you let matter collide with antimatter the matter is 'destroyed' and energy is 'created'

Nope. Nuclear physics leads to suggest that matter itself is consisted entirely of energy; in "destroying" matter, you are merely releasing the energy that it was formed from.
Yes, I have to back you up on this one.  Matter cannot be created nor destroyed per se. ^_^
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #154 on: August 05, 2006, 11:17:26 pm »
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I was thinking about this kinda stuff before, and confused myself quite a bit

I was thinking, perhaps matter isn't really something in itself, but rather a lack of something, a lack of anti-matter.  With magnetic charges it seems that if you can truly combine them you get a neutral charge, things can react to a positive, or negative charge, but if you combine the two and form a neutral charge?  Matter must be the same way, when you combine it with anti-matter neither gets destroyed.  They combine into a neutral form, and still exist, but things don't react to them...  It takes energy to seperate the two (like oppositely charged magnets), when they're recombined that energy would be re-released.
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #155 on: August 06, 2006, 04:28:21 am »
Quote from: Pyru on August 04, 2006, 09:11:13 pm
Quote from: tippz on August 04, 2006, 08:49:48 pm
Actually, if you let matter collide with antimatter the matter is 'destroyed' and energy is 'created'

Nope. Nuclear physics leads to suggest that matter itself is consisted entirely of energy; in "destroying" matter, you are merely releasing the energy that it was formed from.

'destroyed' and 'created' just refering to the 'rule' that matter cannot be created or destroyed...
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #156 on: April 11, 2008, 01:45:57 am »
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHkMHRDAOlA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHkMHRDAOlA</a>

Also, saying Evolution is a "Theory and not a fact" has no merit.. You know what else is a theory and not a fact? Hm... Gravity..
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Theory?
« Reply #157 on: April 11, 2008, 06:58:35 pm »
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Existence: Theory
Oxygen: Theory
Atoms: Theory
Religion: Hypothesis
Evolution: Theory
The Period of Elements: Theory
Gravity: Theory

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