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General => Other Discussion => Boards => Archive => Debates => Topic started by: Theforeshadower on April 17, 2008, 03:06:28 am
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So, in Michigan, the proposed bill to ban smoking in bars/pubs and restaurants is all buzz in the media.
This is such a crock of !@#$%. People for years have decided whether or not to have smoking/non-smoking bars. It has always been upto the business owner whether or not he wants his bar to be a smoke-free environment. The government has no right to come in and say,"You are no longer allowed to smoke in the bars in Michigan. Period." First, it takes away the customers freedom, second it takes away the business owners freedom to allow smokers. Yes, second-hand smoke is dangerous. No arguement from me, there.
But, there are just as many, if not more non-smoking bars here than smoking ones. I am all for the restaurant ban. Kids are at restaurants and can't decide for themselves to go to restaurants. Their parents do. So, I have no problem with that. But a bar is an adult place. If you don't like smoke, then go to another bar. You have the choice. No one is forcing you to go to Pete's Pub that has smoking. The thing is that smoking bars have more business than non-smoking bars. It's just a fact here. I don't care how many reports say otherwise because all those reports are from people that have an agenda against smoking in public. Too many people have called into the radios saying that there is more business in their smoking bar than the non-smoking one across the street. It's just where the party is apparently. And the non-smoking businesses don't like to lose business. Seriously. Leave it upto the business owners. I also heard from the radios that alot of people are now opening up "underground" pubs in their basements since they can smoke freely in their homes, in the states that have smoking in bars illegal.
My opinion...Discuss.
BTW: After a smoking ban from pubs, what's the next thing the government is going to try to control? Sounds alot like the USA is headed for socialism/communism more and more every year.
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Smoking sucks !@#$% anyway.
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They banned smoking in the bar in the hotel I work in :P Biggest mistake evar, and also one of the biggest complaints we get... and they just banned smoking for employees on the property, which caused productivity to go down... lol yay michigan, the suckiest state evar
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Smoking sucks !@#$% anyway.
Doesn't matter. It's still a freedom we have. You don't have to be around it, just like if topless women offend you, then don't go to a topless bar. lol
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I don't smoke cigarettes myself, but I kinda agree with you. Smokers have been kinda pushed out of EVERYWHERE, there are even street corners you can't smoke on lol-- bars were like... their place. Sure smoking is bad for you, but who cares, just don't do it yourself, let other people do what they want :/
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I agree with theforeshadower, the only solution would be to add some non smokers area. but still if you go to a pub with your friends it is probable that one of your friends smoke.. so there is no good reason for this.
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Sorry about my earlier post.
While i agree that owners should have the right to choose to have smoking, non, both, etc. But i honestly think that everyone should get away from smoking period, it doesn't help anything.
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It's actually about an employee's right to have a smoke-free environment more than anything. :/
Employees have a right to their health, and working in an environment where it's impossible to avoid smoke doesn't give them any room for that.
It's a gross over-simplification, sure, but that's pretty much the jist of it.
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It's actually about an employee's right to have a smoke-free environment more than anything. :/
Employees have a right to their health, and working in an environment where it's impossible to avoid smoke doesn't give them any room for that.
It's a gross over-simplification, sure, but that's pretty much the jist of it.
Employees also have the right to not work at said bar. Never once was it brought up about employees except that bartenders said that they don't like serving the non-smokers' section because they get less action (ie tips) because , and this is not my words but the words of bartenders and the radio hosts, the smoking section is were the party is usually at in the bars. So, bartenders also said that they make more tips in smoking bars than non-smoking bars, becuase they have more customers.
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It's not whether or not the staff is asking for it; it's the potential health risks to staff. And you say staff have a right not to work there - well, that goes for any job. Would you like health and safety to be completely scrapped at your job because you could choose to work somewhere else?
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This bill passed in Australia ages ago. Apparently it was just "because Ireland did it".
I don't really see a problem with it, and it hasn't caused any issues in Australia recently. I guess everyone here took it like men, and got back to doing what Australia do best - drinking.
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This bill passed in Australia ages ago. Apparently it was just "because Ireland did it".
I don't really see a problem with it, and it hasn't caused any issues in Australia recently. I guess everyone here took it like men, and got back to doing what Australia do best - drinking.
'Tis true - the Irish and Aussies would never care about such a ban; while they might occassionally smoke while drinking, as long as no-one can stop them drinking, there's no harm in it.
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It's illegal to smoke in a pub in England, and it's a godsend. I brake out in coughing fits if I'm inside a building and people are smoking, even if I'm in the non-smoking area and they aren't. If people want to smoke, sure, fine, I shouldn't have to suffer in any way over it though. They can go outside and smoke if they want to. If it's windy or raining? Tough !@#$%.
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In Massachusetts and New York it's illegal to smoke in any public building and any public taxi cab. And nobody complained. They went into the smoking area places outside to slowly kill themselves without killing everyone else in the process.
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I dislike taking our freedoms.
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I don't smoke cigarettes myself, but I kinda agree with you. Smokers have been kinda pushed out of EVERYWHERE, there are even street corners you can't smoke on lol-- bars were like... their place. Sure smoking is bad for you, but who cares, just don't do it yourself, let other people do what they want :/
This. Smoking was also recently banned on my college campus, which SUCKS. I mean I agree it shouldn't be allowed in buildings, obviously. But seriously, what about designated smoking areas? It makes me so angry that people are so hostile to something that you can so easily avoid if you want to. And I smoke hookah on occasion, which also means this is outlawed now :(
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I agree, it's the business owner's right to decide what is done on THEIR private property. That aside, have you heard about stage nights? Apparently there's a loophole in a few states (or all of em) where it's legal to smoke in a bar or restaurant or other establishment provided you're an actor and you're in a performance. So some bars are getting around the smoking ban by having 'stage nights' where all patrons are declared actors and bar is the 'stage'.
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!@#$% smoking.
It's a waste of money.
It's stupid.
It kills.
I hope to God that Canada and the US ban smoking all together.
I hate smoking and I don't want to see it in my country.
I don't care if you smoke. Not everyone that smokes is a !@#$%-bag but I don't get why people start in the first place.
It doesn't make you look cool and you're not cool if you need to smoke to fit in.
/end of pointless rant
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Smoking sucks !@#$% anyway.
QFT
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It's been banned in public places here for quite a while, it's actually quite cool. I understand the complaints about the legislation, but it all works out.
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It's been banned in public places here for quite a while, it's actually quite cool. I understand the complaints about the legislation, but it all works out.
Well it's not public places...it's bars. Bars. Where adults go.
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It's been banned in public places here for quite a while, it's actually quite cool. I understand the complaints about the legislation, but it all works out.
Well it's not public places...it's bars. Bars. Where adults go.
Bars are public places.
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It's been banned in public places here for quite a while, it's actually quite cool. I understand the complaints about the legislation, but it all works out.
Well it's not public places...it's bars. Bars. Where adults go.
Bars are public places.
but it's a public place you DO NOT have to enter. It's a choice to go there.
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It's been banned in public places here for quite a while, it's actually quite cool. I understand the complaints about the legislation, but it all works out.
Well it's not public places...it's bars. Bars. Where adults go.
Bars are public places.
but it's a public place you DO NOT have to enter. It's a choice to go there.
The same could be said of all public places.
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I dislike taking our freedoms.
I dislike cancer and lung disease.
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I dislike taking our freedoms.
I dislike cancer and lung disease.
Then don't smoke. Don't go to smoking bars. Don't hang around smokers. Also:Don't inhale lead...that'll also cause cancer as will working in coal mines.
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Does anyone like cancer and lung disease?
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I dislike taking our freedoms.
I dislike cancer and lung disease.
Then don't smoke. Don't go to smoking bars. Don't hang around smokers. Also:Don't inhale lead...that'll also cause cancer as will working in coal mines.
But I'd like to go to bars full stop; and in this country, without laws to enforce it, it's very difficult to find non-smoking bars. Not only that, but the only jobs really available for students my age in the area, are in bars. And I don't wanna have to inhale lungfuls of carcinogenic !@#$% just to earn some money to get by.
Does anyone like cancer and lung disease?
Smokers, apparently? That's the only thing they're getting from smoking. Well, that and bad skin, nails, teeth and a nasty smell.
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!@#$% smoking.
It's a waste of money.
It's stupid.
It kills.
I hope to God that Canada and the US ban smoking all together.
I hate smoking and I don't want to see it in my country.
I don't care if you smoke. Not everyone that smokes is a !@#$%-bag but I don't get why people start in the first place.
It doesn't make you look cool and you're not cool if you need to smoke to fit in.
/end of pointless rant
Sure. While we're at it, we can ban drinking and writing and painting and coding and programming and all the other things you yourself may not agree with.
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I know why people say smoking is bad. It gives you cancer and all that, but we shouldn't be taking away somebody's right to smoke. People eat loads of bad stuff everyday and get really freaking fat, do we outlaw Mcdonalds? No.
I hope that one day all the good stuff (smoking, drinking, etc.) will all be gone but...I hope for a lot...doesn't mean its going to happen.
This kind of reminds me of that South Park episode where they learn about all those bad names for people, and then they go outside and insult that guy smoking...
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We don't take away their right to smoke. We take away their right to smoke in public places. They can go outside in the wind and rain and no-one will complain (except them). I say tough !@#$%.
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Nobody is taking away anyone's "right to smoke." You can still smoke, just not in public buildings.
Smoking is directly dangerous to the people around the smokers, unlike McDonald's or drinking beer or any of that.
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No, your just taking away the BUSINESS OWNER's right to have smoking or no smoking in his business.
Socialism/communism anyone?
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No, your just taking away the BUSINESS OWNER's right to have smoking or no smoking in his business.
Socialism/communism anyone?
You know, I'm glad they're cracking down on the smoking. The tobacco industries are nothing but scandals. What do you get out of smoking? Ok, at first you get the feeling of "feeling good"... but in the future, you'll !@#$% yourself up. But hey, it's not only you you're !@#$% up, but it's other people! If you hate smoking in the rain/wind, then quit or do it in your own house. The government had a decision to make between the people who don't smoke and don't want to get affected by it and the people who do smoke and might/might not care about what happens. If you use some common sense, the government chooses better health over anything else.
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No, your just taking away the BUSINESS OWNER's right to have smoking or no smoking in his business.
Socialism/communism anyone?
You know, I'm glad they're cracking down on the smoking. The tobacco industries are nothing but scandals. What do you get out of smoking? Ok, at first you get the feeling of "feeling good"... but in the future, you'll !@#$% yourself up. But hey, it's not only you you're !@#$% up, but it's other people! If you hate smoking in the rain/wind, then quit or do it in your own house. The government had a decision to make between the people who don't smoke and don't want to get affected by it and the people who do smoke and might/might not care about what happens. If you use some common sense, the government chooses better health over anything else.
It's not the governments right to dictate my life. That's communism. That's the problem with America. People are letting our government run our lives for us like !@#$% sheep...
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No, your just taking away the BUSINESS OWNER's right to have smoking or no smoking in his business.
Socialism/communism anyone?
You know, I'm glad they're cracking down on the smoking. The tobacco industries are nothing but scandals. What do you get out of smoking? Ok, at first you get the feeling of "feeling good"... but in the future, you'll !@#$% yourself up. But hey, it's not only you you're !@#$% up, but it's other people! If you hate smoking in the rain/wind, then quit or do it in your own house. The government had a decision to make between the people who don't smoke and don't want to get affected by it and the people who do smoke and might/might not care about what happens. If you use some common sense, the government chooses better health over anything else.
It's not the governments right to dictate my life. That's communism. That's the problem with America. People are letting our government run our lives for us like !@#$% sheep...
As a communist I will tell you right now that that isn't communism at all.
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No, your just taking away the BUSINESS OWNER's right to have smoking or no smoking in his business.
Socialism/communism anyone?
You know, I'm glad they're cracking down on the smoking. The tobacco industries are nothing but scandals. What do you get out of smoking? Ok, at first you get the feeling of "feeling good"... but in the future, you'll !@#$% yourself up. But hey, it's not only you you're !@#$% up, but it's other people! If you hate smoking in the rain/wind, then quit or do it in your own house. The government had a decision to make between the people who don't smoke and don't want to get affected by it and the people who do smoke and might/might not care about what happens. If you use some common sense, the government chooses better health over anything else.
It's not the governments right to dictate my life. That's communism. That's the problem with America. People are letting our government run our lives for us like !@#$% sheep...
You're such a rebel.
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I mean seriously does anyone even know what communism is anymore or has the red scare brainwashed everyone?
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No, your just taking away the BUSINESS OWNER's right to have smoking or no smoking in his business.
Socialism/communism anyone?
You know, I'm glad they're cracking down on the smoking. The tobacco industries are nothing but scandals. What do you get out of smoking? Ok, at first you get the feeling of "feeling good"... but in the future, you'll !@#$% yourself up. But hey, it's not only you you're !@#$% up, but it's other people! If you hate smoking in the rain/wind, then quit or do it in your own house. The government had a decision to make between the people who don't smoke and don't want to get affected by it and the people who do smoke and might/might not care about what happens. If you use some common sense, the government chooses better health over anything else.
It's not the governments right to dictate my life. That's communism. That's the problem with America. People are letting our government run our lives for us like !@#$% sheep...
So you're saying that communism is the result of one !@#$% law that is preventing smokers from harming other people due to airborne gasses? I have a feeling you smoke, Theforeshadower since you're really angered with this law being passed. I didn't see you posting a topic about the Happy Birthday song being copyrighted and how much you hated that.(Not being sarcastic, by the way) I remember when I went to restaurants with my family that I would always end up caughing a lot and not feeling good after being in that restaurant due to a lot of smoke. I'm asthmetic and we always sat in the non-smokers section, but it always went throughout the entire place. I'm fully against tobacco because it's harmful, and the companies that produce it are money slugs. Besides, they only stated for indoor places. It wouldn't hurt just to walk a few steps to a door and stand outside just to have a smoke now would it? If it's raining, or whatever condition that you don't like then save it for the car or anywhere elsewhere where you'll have people around you that may potentially dislike breathing in smoke.
EDIT: Woah.. I read the topic name as "anywhere" instead of "pubs/bars".. this changes my argument a little. If this ban is going to be for places where people are destroying themselfs( I mean really, drinking destroys you regardless what you say ) then they should just ban drinking too >__>.. I don't think it should be banned anymore, I change my opinion. You normally don't see children at pubs and bars, so smoking shouldn't be as much as a problem as before, right? Meh... I'm starting to side with you on this. Ignore my above idea rofl.
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No, your just taking away the BUSINESS OWNER's right to have smoking or no smoking in his business.
Socialism/communism anyone?
You know, I'm glad they're cracking down on the smoking. The tobacco industries are nothing but scandals. What do you get out of smoking? Ok, at first you get the feeling of "feeling good"... but in the future, you'll !@#$% yourself up. But hey, it's not only you you're !@#$% up, but it's other people! If you hate smoking in the rain/wind, then quit or do it in your own house. The government had a decision to make between the people who don't smoke and don't want to get affected by it and the people who do smoke and might/might not care about what happens. If you use some common sense, the government chooses better health over anything else.
It's not the governments right to dictate my life. That's communism. That's the problem with America. People are letting our government run our lives for us like !@#$% sheep...
When your actions harm someone else (smoking), someone needs to step in and tell you that you can't do it. If the government doesn't ban smoking, then it should also be legal for someone to take out a gun and shoot you if you're smoking near them. Now which makes more sense: Let people do whatever they want, regardless of who's affected, or prohibit them from doing something that harms other people?
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No, your just taking away the BUSINESS OWNER's right to have smoking or no smoking in his business.
Socialism/communism anyone?
You know, I'm glad they're cracking down on the smoking. The tobacco industries are nothing but scandals. What do you get out of smoking? Ok, at first you get the feeling of "feeling good"... but in the future, you'll !@#$% yourself up. But hey, it's not only you you're !@#$% up, but it's other people! If you hate smoking in the rain/wind, then quit or do it in your own house. The government had a decision to make between the people who don't smoke and don't want to get affected by it and the people who do smoke and might/might not care about what happens. If you use some common sense, the government chooses better health over anything else.
It's not the governments right to dictate my life. That's communism. That's the problem with America. People are letting our government run our lives for us like !@#$% sheep...
So you're saying that communism is the result of one !@#$% law that is preventing smokers from harming other people due to airborne gasses? I have a feeling you smoke, Theforeshadower since you're really angered with this law being passed. I didn't see you posting a topic about the Happy Birthday song being copyrighted and how much you hated that.(Not being sarcastic, by the way) I remember when I went to restaurants with my family that I would always end up caughing a lot and not feeling good after being in that restaurant due to a lot of smoke. I'm asthmetic and we always sat in the non-smokers section, but it always went throughout the entire place. I'm fully against tobacco because it's harmful, and the companies that produce it are money slugs. Besides, they only stated for indoor places. It wouldn't hurt just to walk a few steps to a door and stand outside just to have a smoke now would it? If it's raining, or whatever condition that you don't like then save it for the car or anywhere elsewhere where you'll have people around you that may potentially dislike breathing in smoke.
That's from improper ventilation. I also never saw this Happy Birthday issue >.> lol. I didn't mean to say that this law is communism. I meant that it is just a smaller piece of the puzzle. In communism, the government controls businesses, I know this from Government class that I took in highschool. Not saying anything about you personally, but this law is only even thought of here because of a few whiners that have money to feed to politicians. Seriously. It has been shown that smoking bans in bars hurt their business.
I am alright with smoking bans in restaraunts...just to appeal and find middle ground in all this. Do I support it? No, because you are still infringing on the rights of the business owner. Customers don't have to go to Applebee's. Applebee's' here in Michigan have smoking. I never hear anyone complain about the smoke. They are mostly well ventilated.
Just a thought:
So if we ban smoking, what's next? Every restaraunt must serve healthy organic food from now on? You must have a $5 cover charge with 50% going to the government? You cannot enter until well dressed? These sound silly, but where does it stop? It's like with gun control. Okay you got rid of guns...what's next? Knives? Cars? Baseball bats? Golf clubs? Tire irons? pens?
I just really look at it in the perspective of the government exchurting control where it doesn't need to. If you let big brother put his foot in your door, he gains control of your house. You can't stop big brother...lol
Wow that went everywhere >.>
No, your just taking away the BUSINESS OWNER's right to have smoking or no smoking in his business.
Socialism/communism anyone?
You know, I'm glad they're cracking down on the smoking. The tobacco industries are nothing but scandals. What do you get out of smoking? Ok, at first you get the feeling of "feeling good"... but in the future, you'll !@#$% yourself up. But hey, it's not only you you're !@#$% up, but it's other people! If you hate smoking in the rain/wind, then quit or do it in your own house. The government had a decision to make between the people who don't smoke and don't want to get affected by it and the people who do smoke and might/might not care about what happens. If you use some common sense, the government chooses better health over anything else.
It's not the governments right to dictate my life. That's communism. That's the problem with America. People are letting our government run our lives for us like !@#$% sheep...
When your actions harm someone else (smoking), someone needs to step in and tell you that you can't do it. If the government doesn't ban smoking, then it should also be legal for someone to take out a gun and shoot you if you're smoking near them. Now which makes more sense: Let people do whatever they want, regardless of who's affected, or prohibit them from doing something that harms other people?
But you can WALK AWAY from smokers. You guys act like you HAVE to be near them.
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I'm glad that there has been this ban put into place. I dont have a problem with smokers, I just don't want to inhale their second hand smoke.
And saying 'People don't need to be near them, or people can just move away'.
Well smokers can just go outside and light up...
Problem solved, if I want to have a meal at my favourite restaurant I don't want to have inhale my body weight in second hand smoke, whats more why should I have to reorganize my night because someone wants to light up in a restaurant?
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I'm glad that there has been this ban put into place. I dont have a problem with smokers, I just don't want to inhale their second hand smoke.
And saying 'People don't need to be near them, or people can just move away'.
Well smokers can just go outside and light up...
Problem solved, if I want to have a meal at my favourite restaurant I don't want to have inhale my body weight in second hand smoke, whats more why should I have to reorganize my night because someone wants to light up in a restaurant?
Actually, problem's still not solved :P... It's getting to the point now to where you cant even smoke outside in certain areas; grown adults can choose to smoke; we dont need the country to try to make us stop smoking.
ALSO. I'm not a smoker :P but I completely agree with TFS; this ban is stupid. They're doing it in the place I work now; employees must now punch out and LEAVE THE PROPERTY (cant even be in the parking lot to smoke); productivity has gone straight down since this ban took effect. :'(
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When will you people learn, the only government that can ever work is one where I am supreme unquestionable overlord of the world >:D They'd be no war, no poverty, no free will, no crime, no murders. It'd be a utopia.
It comes down to this: People are idiots. When given the choice, practically all landlords (etc) would rather get teh moneyz from smokers than send them outside. You cannot convince them to do otherwise. It just would not work. This means, it comes down to a choice between a person's right to smoke, and a non-smoker's right to good health. A right to kill, or a right to live.
In my mind, smoking in public is the equivalent of playing Russian roulette with a child standing next to you at such a position that if you blow your brains out, the child gets shot as well...except worse because you may not get shot but the child may!
Also the !@#$% smokers inhale is less toxic than the second-hand !@#$% because the latter wasn't filtered.
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It comes down to this: People are idiots. When given the choice, practically all landlords (etc) would rather get teh moneyz from smokers than send them outside. You cannot convince them to do otherwise. It just would not work. This means, it comes down to a choice between a person's right to smoke, and a non-smoker's right to good health. A right to kill, or a right to live.
In my mind, smoking in public is the equivalent of playing Russian roulette with a child standing next to you at such a position that if you blow your brains out, the child gets shot as well...except worse because you may not get shot but the child may!
Also the !@#$% smokers inhale is less toxic than the second-hand !@#$% because the latter wasn't filtered.
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When will you people learn, the only government that can ever work is one where I am supreme unquestionable overlord of the world >:D They'd be no war, no poverty, no free will, no crime, no murders. It'd be a utopia.
!@#$% that !@#$%.
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As long as I can take away people's free will in such a way they won't even know it's gone, and instead just have a 'tether' preventing them from doing certain actions (I.e oppose me, steal, murder etc.) I don't care.
of course they may be some war as I conquer the world one country at a time, but in the end we'll have peace. And doesn't the end justify the means?
Of course it does. I've never heard a convincing argument otherwise.
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Actually, problem's still not solved :P... It's getting to the point now to where you cant even smoke outside in certain areas; grown adults can choose to smoke; we dont need the country to try to make us stop smoking.
Those sort of things are put implace by the managers of the company as the only rule I can think of that comes to mind is you have to be 5 feet from the building or something, thats not that far...
And still why should others suffer because you want to slowly kill yourselves? (Not you personally as you don't smoke)
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Actually, problem's still not solved :P... It's getting to the point now to where you cant even smoke outside in certain areas; grown adults can choose to smoke; we dont need the country to try to make us stop smoking.
Those sort of things are put implace by the managers of the company as the only rule I can think of that comes to mind is you have to be 5 feet from the building or something, thats not that far...
And still why should others suffer because you want to slowly kill yourselves? (Not you personally as you don't smoke)
Car fumes hurt people. We should ban monster-truck rallies, in-door go-kart tracks.
Human gas is harmful to people; it's been proven. So, do we make it illegal when some dude next to you practically air shits in your face?
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In here, smoking is banned from all restaurant without any open space so yeah WTF!, me? I don't give a !@#$%..
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Actually, problem's still not solved :P... It's getting to the point now to where you cant even smoke outside in certain areas; grown adults can choose to smoke; we dont need the country to try to make us stop smoking.
Those sort of things are put implace by the managers of the company as the only rule I can think of that comes to mind is you have to be 5 feet from the building or something, thats not that far...
And still why should others suffer because you want to slowly kill yourselves? (Not you personally as you don't smoke)
Car fumes hurt people. We should ban monster-truck rallies, in-door go-kart tracks.
Human gas is harmful to people; it's been proven. So, do we make it illegal when some dude next to you practically air shits in your face?
You're right. Guns can kill people, so we should ban super-soakers.
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Actually, problem's still not solved :P... It's getting to the point now to where you cant even smoke outside in certain areas; grown adults can choose to smoke; we dont need the country to try to make us stop smoking.
Those sort of things are put implace by the managers of the company as the only rule I can think of that comes to mind is you have to be 5 feet from the building or something, thats not that far...
And still why should others suffer because you want to slowly kill yourselves? (Not you personally as you don't smoke)
Car fumes hurt people. We should ban monster-truck rallies, in-door go-kart tracks.
Human gas is harmful to people; it's been proven. So, do we make it illegal when some dude next to you practically air shits in your face?
Yeah, controlled risk. For example: certain things increase your chances of getting cancer by 0.0001%, others by 5%. The latter should be avoided, the former, in all honesty, isn't that big of a deal :P
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Actually, problem's still not solved :P... It's getting to the point now to where you cant even smoke outside in certain areas; grown adults can choose to smoke; we dont need the country to try to make us stop smoking.
Those sort of things are put implace by the managers of the company as the only rule I can think of that comes to mind is you have to be 5 feet from the building or something, thats not that far...
This is a big property. The actual building is in the center of the property, and theres a ton of parking lots. The only way to physically leave the property is to drive off and go across the street (as the owners "Forwards Corporation" own most of the lots around as well). Across the street is- 1) Burgerking 2) McDonalds 3) Big Boy 4) Tanger Outlet Center (mall)... Now, when people leave the property to smoke, where are they going to go? lol They're going to DICK around at any one of those places. They cant even sit in their cars in the parking lot to smoke. They have to DRIVE off the property to even do it.
It's going a bit overboard. 5 ft would be okay. 20 yards is a bit excessive.
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Does any smoker realize how annoying it is for a non-smoker, to smell that !@#$%? It stinks and some people get serious asthma attacks.
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Does any smoker realize how annoying it is for a non-smoker, to smell that !@#$%? It stinks and some people get serious asthma attacks.
<_< again, *is a nonsmoker* and *is defending their stance on the issue*... It's not annoying at all, ESPECIALLY in a bar. People go to bars to smoke and drink. That's almost their entire purpose. And, people who get asthma attacks shouldn't go to bars anyway. It's not the proper environment for them.
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Not in England ;)
We aren't allowed to smoke in Bars now, and it is fine. Society isn't collapsing. Maybe it's just our British etiquette, but very few people seem to actually mind going outside to smoke, and those that do just keep quiet.
Now, I realise America is nothing like Britain, as we Brits seem to have a certain inbred, natural sense of order and class. Do you even queue up to get onto Buses there or is it more of a mad scramble?
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Actually, problem's still not solved :P... It's getting to the point now to where you cant even smoke outside in certain areas; grown adults can choose to smoke; we dont need the country to try to make us stop smoking.
Those sort of things are put implace by the managers of the company as the only rule I can think of that comes to mind is you have to be 5 feet from the building or something, thats not that far...
This is a big property. The actual building is in the center of the property, and theres a ton of parking lots. The only way to physically leave the property is to drive off and go across the street (as the owners "Forwards Corporation" own most of the lots around as well). Across the street is- 1) Burgerking 2) McDonalds 3) Big Boy 4) Tanger Outlet Center (mall)... Now, when people leave the property to smoke, where are they going to go? lol They're going to DICK around at any one of those places. They cant even sit in their cars in the parking lot to smoke. They have to DRIVE off the property to even do it.
It's going a bit overboard. 5 ft would be okay. 20 yards is a bit excessive.
ahem nearly modified your post <_< Its too early :(
Anyways, I'm ignoring all your points till you tell me;
WHAT THE !@#$% IS BIG BOY!? O_o?
But yeah, your management seem to !@#$% you about :/ Around here you just have to go out the town center or bar and stand 5 feet away to light up. Plus in doing so could be considered more social as you'll all be bunched together and talking to one another. Meeting new people... Thats somewhat pushing it but hey it could work.
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XD Big Boy is a restaurant here in the states :P
They offer a huge ass buffet and !@#$% XD
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XD Big Boy is a restaurant here in the states :P
They offer a huge ass buffet and !@#$% XD
haha! I need to check that place out.
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http://www.bigboy.com/ <lol there ya go :p
on topic.
You can smoke in Big Boy lol
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http://www.bigboy.com/ <lol there ya go :p
on topic.
You can smoke in Big Boy lol
Thats cos its for the big kids.