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General => Other Discussion => Boards => Archive => Debates => Topic started by: bertfallen on July 06, 2008, 05:24:25 pm
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Now me and Pyru had this debate a while back over MSN; which after awhile I got sidetracked by some girl with big !@#$%. But yeah anyway; I'd like your oppinion on this.
Mine is that there never will be World Peace. The idea of 6 Billion people getting along all fine and pushing aside their oppinions or beliefs so's not to offend someone, or the idea of peaceful debates, to me is but a wild fantasy.
I will type more of mine when others begin to post their oppinions.
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It is a fact that there will be no world peace. For example, Me and Source want Sharon. Me and Source hate each other, ergo, no peace. And what about the extremists? They think guns kill people, and want to ban guns. Yet, I want to own a gun so I can go to the local range and shot it. And Im not even going to say anything about robbery and things like that.
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Now me and Pyru had this debate a while back over MSN; which after awhile I got sidetracked by some girl with big tots. But yeah anyway; I'd like your oppinion on this.
Mine is that there never will be World Peace. The idea of 6 Billion people getting along all fine and pushing aside their oppinions or beliefs so's not to offend someone, or the idea of peaceful debates, to me is but a wild fantasy.
I will type more of mine when others begin to post their oppinions.
No, world peace is a myth. On a global scale we may one day achieve a more peaceful way of doing things, but it seems that someone would just come in and start a bad government or something. We could have universal health care and everyone with a great education, but people would still get angry and kill other people.
The day you have world peace is the day everyone is dead. XD
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It is a fact that there will be no world peace. For example, Me and Source want Sharon. Me and Source hate each other, ergo, no peace. And what about the extremists? They think guns kill people, and want to ban guns. Yet, I want to own a gun so I can go to the local range and shot it. And Im not even going to say anything about robbery and things like that.
You've said basically what I think. But mine also included extremist religious parties.
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Oh, I forgot about religon.
Building off of what Kylink said, if there were no religons, no extremists(srsly, dont these people belon in mental homes?) and everybody(in America) was productive, since mostly everybody are fat and lazy, there would be much more peace.
~LynkW-.
Also, HB wants sony to die.
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There can easily be world peace, what you are saying is dumb:
he idea of 6 Billion people getting along all fine and pushing aside their oppinions or beliefs so's not to offend someone, or the idea of peaceful debates, to me is but a wild fantasy.
Actually, even if you offend someone you just need to tolerate his opinion, it is not like you will kill some one who disagrees with you.. you only tolerate him.
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There can easily be world peace, what you are saying is dumb:
Thank you for proving my point.
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WHat who is saying? Me, Pyru of Bertfallen?
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Never going to happen. Human nature is synonymous with conflict, getting everyone to respect and tolerate each other is just a pipe dream, there will always be one nutcase ready to break the peace, be he a religous zealot or a plain sadist.
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Never going to happen. Human nature is synonymous with conflict, getting everyone to respect and tolerate each other is just a pipe dream, there will always be one nutcase ready to break the peace, be he a religous zealot or a plain sadist.
No, it's not even one of those people. It's everybody.
How many people do you personally know get annoyed sometimes? I know I do. Everybody does. There will never be a time where somebody goes "I can't find my wallet, but I'm going to smile like an idiot because I REALLY AM HAPPY!". NO, most likely that guy will kick a puppy (or something?).
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Never going to happen. Human nature is synonymous with conflict, getting everyone to respect and tolerate each other is just a pipe dream, there will always be one nutcase ready to break the peace, be he a religous zealot or a plain sadist.
No, it's not even one of those people. It's everybody.
How many people do you personally know get annoyed sometimes? I know I do. Everybody does. There will never be a time where somebody goes "I can't find my wallet, but I'm going to smile like an idiot because I REALLY AM HAPPY!". NO, most likely that guy will kick a puppy (or something?).
Nope he'll end up pushing it all aside then getting a stress related illness :P
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And if thar is an earthquake or something, the victims will not be peaceful.
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Humans are pathetic. Those living in poverty have more and more children so that the children can work and having all of these children just multiplies the problem to an even greater extreme. Resources are getting used up, and it is even predicted that it gas prices increase significantly that there will be riots; which is sad because bicycles exist as well. Resources are getting wasted and if the people who existed who waste them did not exist, then it would be shocking how much resources could be saved. Peace will never be attained because there is always someone who wants more than they deserve or there is always someone who is unwilling to compromise so that more than one party can be somewhat satisfied. Globally, most adults are over-sized children in a selfish sandbox.
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I think world peace is possible, but not so long as we have people with such childish mindsets in power.
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Even if you don't think it's possible, it's still the best goal to have. Over time hopefully more people will get the right idea.
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We will never attain world peace. Humans by nature are a selfish and aggressive species, and will always resort to violence at some point to accomplish their goals. The fact that we actually have a civilized society defies our innermost primal urges.
Oh, pagebreak get.
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Exactly, because of human nature, there is no absolute state of peace. If there were a completely peaceful world, someone who wants something would scheme through means of violence to attain an unfair share or resources or power. The only way that peace is actually maintained in this world is by lack of interest in an area or by things like guns. It doesn't always work, due to the inequalities of sides (local interests compared to global, and one side having more strength), but deterrence works.
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Dont forget that in order to have peace, we cant have homosexuals, femenist problems, mental retards, and other disabled people.
Have anybody read that book "The Giver"?
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Dont forget that in order to have peace, we cant have homosexuals, femenist problems, mental retards, and other disabled people.
Those themselves are not a cause of unrest, the cause is peoples intolerance.
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The Giver himself knew basically everything and was still a kind person. I find Brave New World as a good book for peace; there are orgies, clones, brainwashing, and drugs.
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Have anybody read that book "The Giver"?
Yes, and it was great. But you see, Jonas lived in a society where peace was attained via the use of genetic modification and drugs that deaden emotion and instinct, making more of a dystopia than a utopia.
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We will never attain world peace. Humans by nature are a selfish and aggressive species, and will always resort to violence at some point to accomplish their goals. The fact that we actually have a civilized society defies our innermost primal urges.
Oh, pagebreak get.
I diagree, humans aren't by nature a selfish and agressive species, nature itself asks for humans to be selfish and agressive.
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We will never attain world peace. Humans by nature are a selfish and aggressive species, and will always resort to violence at some point to accomplish their goals. The fact that we actually have a civilized society defies our innermost primal urges.
Oh, pagebreak get.
I diagree, humans aren't by nature a selfish and agressive species, nature itself asks for humans to be selfish and agressive.
Not really humans are also selfish for materialistic things. If it was selishness for Food and Drink then yeah I'd agree with it.
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There are too many stupid/selfish/power hungry/IQ = zero/etc people out there to make world peace more than just a dream-
I don't think it's something impossible though, people (those stupid/selfish...) are just making it seem to be so and hard to get
through.
Never going to happen. Human nature is synonymous with conflict, getting everyone to respect and tolerate each other is just a pipe dream, there will always be one nutcase ready to break the peace, be he a religous zealot or a plain sadist.
Agree'd.
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War makes the world go round. Man kind is able to see past everything but the strength of the opposition. Say you have a great productive city with oil and lots of doctors and firemen and what not, but no Army, and another country with a massive army, but nothing else, the Army country will just charge straight into it and take it, a country can't defend itself by anything but it's manpower and strength, it's not like a country is going to say 'Well our average IQ is better than yours so we can conquer you" it's all to do with capturing the enemy. Peace does not work, the more we put war off, the worse it comes to us, it gives people jobs to manufacture weapons, War, unfortunately, is an important part of this world.
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Whatever we're doing now, it's certainly not going to get better.
Wouldn't surprise me if a war emerges because of rising gas prices, not everyone is ever going to have the one same goal. My dad for example is biased and says global warming is a load of !@#$% and people are just using it as an excuse for greed and making money since 'environmental friendly' products are more expensive, despite many people believe global warming exists and such. Skeptics will be skeptics, not much can be done except to fuel the greed of mankind.
Many people want the death penalty back, there will always be ethical issues and there will not be peace until the death of this planet. It wont last forever, peace will be obtained at last when everyone is dead and gone, no one will exist to create any conflict cus we b ded lolz.
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We will never attain world peace. Humans by nature are a selfish and aggressive species, and will always resort to violence at some point to accomplish their goals. The fact that we actually have a civilized society defies our innermost primal urges.
Oh, pagebreak get.
I diagree, humans aren't by nature a selfish and agressive species, nature itself asks for humans to be selfish and agressive.
Not really humans are also selfish for materialistic things. If it was selishness for Food and Drink then yeah I'd agree with it.
It's the culture.
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We will never attain world peace. Humans by nature are a selfish and aggressive species, and will always resort to violence at some point to accomplish their goals. The fact that we actually have a civilized society defies our innermost primal urges.
Oh, pagebreak get.
I diagree, humans aren't by nature a selfish and agressive species, nature itself asks for humans to be selfish and agressive.
Not really humans are also selfish for materialistic things. If it was selishness for Food and Drink then yeah I'd agree with it.
It's the culture.
Wait I just re-read your post. Disregard mine >_<
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As long as humans exist, so will violent conflicts, and as long as governements exist, violent conflicts will become wars.
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No world peace = false; besides everyone at some time and point in there life goes, "I hate those people over there."
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Humans are selfish by nature BECAUSE nature requires humans to be selfish (except with regard to their off-spring, but that's genetic selfishness anyway), so it was effectively bred into us. Human instinct is to fight for the best resources for ourselves and our offspring, and what are we if not slaves to our instincts? I remember hearing of an idea in psychology that the 'human consciousness' is at best a lie, and that it could be best described as taking the back-seat, not actually in control of anything. In other words, they is no such thing as a conscious act, everything is done on impulse and instinct. Not sure if I agree with it or not, but it is food for thought.
I also kinda agree with the robots in The Matrix, humanity acts like a parasite, go forth and multiply, consuming the natural resources of the world. Even 'isolated tribes' do this, just at a much slower rate.
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I've never called being selfish a bad thing. In fact, I don't think bad and good really exist, the world is, always has been, and always will be nothing more than an eternal shade of grey.
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Jay's right, selfishness and so-called materialism have been evolved by most species, the human race no exception, in order to aid survival and procreation. Who could survive if they never attended their own needs?
Now, individually, world peace is obviously just not feasible. Nobody can expect everybody to be completely tolerant at the same time - if that happened for a split second it would be remarkable, let alone for a controlled, extended period of time.
Political world peace, however... that I can believe in. Still a very distant picture, but possible with a radical shift in direction.
Kucinich? =D
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Am I the only one here who doesn't want world peace? I mean seriously that would make for one heck of a boring world. No one would have any reason for doing anything, there wouldn't be any competitions worth competing in. History would be quite dull to, I mean people think history is dull now? Can you imagine what it would be like if it was all like and the 15th century was marked by an era of peace with the no fighting or war just like all the other centuries whoop-de-doo and hurray.
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Well... Theres a quote that pretty much sums it up...
"To secure peace is to prepare for war."
World peace wont happen. Ever.
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Am I the only one here who doesn't want world peace? I mean seriously that would make for one heck of a boring world. No one would have any reason for doing anything, there wouldn't be any competitions worth competing in. History would be quite dull to, I mean people think history is dull now? Can you imagine what it would be like if it was all like and the 15th century was marked by an era of peace with the no fighting or war just like all the other centuries whoop-de-doo and hurray.
are you !@#$% serious? it would be exactly the opposite. without heaps of money being tied up in war-related purposes, there'd be even more being circulated for cultural consequence. life would be far from boring.
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War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies,
by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of
life - has become a well-oiled machine.
War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons,
use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance
and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information
control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is
monitored and kept under control.
War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of
control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from
weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the
battlefield... Controls history.
War has changed. When the battlefield is under total
control... ...War becomes routine.
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War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies,
by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of
life - has become a well-oiled machine.
War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons,
use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance
and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information
control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is
monitored and kept under control.
War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of
control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from
weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the
battlefield... Controls history.
War has changed. When the battlefield is under total
control... ...War becomes routine.
Metal Gear reference, but righty-o it still rings true...kind of. Not really the nanomachine thing.
Am I the only one here who doesn't want world peace? I mean seriously that would make for one heck of a boring world. No one would have any reason for doing anything, there wouldn't be any competitions worth competing in. History would be quite dull to, I mean people think history is dull now? Can you imagine what it would be like if it was all like and the 15th century was marked by an era of peace with the no fighting or war just like all the other centuries whoop-de-doo and hurray.
are you !@#$% serious? it would be exactly the opposite. without heaps of money being tied up in war-related purposes, there'd be even more being circulated for cultural consequence. life would be far from boring.
I think with a lot of money lying around, people would HAVE to make weapons. I can't fathom a large government not manufacturing weapons with their free money. It seems like an alien concept to me.
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War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies,
by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of
life - has become a well-oiled machine.
War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons,
use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance
and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information
control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is
monitored and kept under control.
War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of
control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from
weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the
battlefield... Controls history.
War has changed. When the battlefield is under total
control... ...War becomes routine.
Kyubi wins a sandwich for MGS4 reference.
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There's no such thing as "human nature". There are too many kinds of people to put them into one single slot.
The problem is that there will always be aggressive people. And they can get pretty high in politics, maybe even run a country.
As much as I'd like to believe in world peace, I don't think its possible. There are too many greedy people running things. Wars are just a way to gain more power and resources to one country/group. And nowadays it just gets more scary, because you can destroy a whole country with one single push of a button. As longs as weapons exists, there's no chance of peace.
That's why I don't like to think about that stuff. I'll just live my life in peace, so I can do my part of the world peace. :P
Spread the love.
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I've never called being selfish a bad thing. In fact, I don't think bad and good really exist, the world is, always has been, and always will be nothing more than an eternal shade of blank canvas.
Edited to reflect my opinion.
If you ask me, the only way we would be able to attain "world peace" is if we sacrifice our individual freedom. I'm sure most people would agree that it isn't worth that.
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War is Peace. Read 1984. You'll understand that world peace can be obtained through constant, unending war.
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War is Peace. Read 1984. You'll understand that world peace can be obtained through constant, unending war.
Care to explain?
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War is Peace. Read 1984. You'll understand that world peace can be obtained through constant, unending war.
Care to explain?
Being as he hasn't replied yet I'll say what I got from that post. Basically what I think hes saying is that we're so used to war its our world peace. Or something like that anyway.
Also the way I see war now is that war is just a business. So many people and organisations can make millions from it. Like; Mercenaries, Missionaries, Private Military Contractors, Aid Groups, Builders, Oil Companies (in some cases) and heck even the army (They get paid to fight in them).
So really War is the biggest business of them all...
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War is like Crime, if you didn't have it unemployment rates would rise massively :P
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War is Peace. Read 1984. You'll understand that world peace can be obtained through constant, unending war.
Care to explain?
Sorry, I completely forgot about this post. Anyway, I highly suggest you give 1984 a read. It's my favorite book of all time. Anyway, part of the motto of the Party is "War is Peace." This refers to the constant, never-ending war in the novel. The book at some point goes into extreme (and extremely brilliant) detail about how peace was achieved by said war.