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General => Entertainment => Topic started by: Hoffy on April 03, 2009, 08:39:45 am
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... the Wii does some stuff better.
Case in point: backwards compatibility. Anyone who says "all the Xbox originals you could possibly want to play on the 360 have patches available" is a damn liar. Now I didn't own an Xbox, mainly because there was nothing good on it, but my friend was so kind as to let me borrow Beyond Good & Evil, one of the most highly-acclaimed games of the generation past. I was looking forward to playing it, so much so that I decided to sign up to Xbox LIVE finally (Hoffy17, add me if you will, etc) and get the necessary patches and what not. With my idiot brain in tact, it took me an hour or so to figure out that there wasn't a goddamn patch for it. One of the best games ever (apparently), and there's no support to play it on a current-generation console, when there damn well should be.
Forgive me saying so, but it's nice to be able to turn on my Wii and just play my large selection of GameCube games, without having to pull out the purple little lunch box to do so. Every game is playable, for some reason, I don't really know why, or care. I sound ignorant in saying that, sure, but point is, the games are playable. They just are. Granted it would be nice not to have to change controllers on the Wii all the friggin' time, but... Nintendo do as Nintendo do.
Actually, after my experience with the 360, I find there are several things the Wii does better. I was confused today to find the 360 needed a wireless adapter to connect to my router, where the Wii doesn't. Luckily I had a semi-broken Ethernet cable lying around... which is annoying because I'd rather not go out and buy a $27,000 wireless adapter. Micro$oft just wants my money? Indeed.
I'm not trying to take a shot at the anti-Nintendo fanboys here, I'm just saying this backwards compatibility issue bothered me quite a lot. Actually, there are a lot of things I like about the 360. I started to play around with LIVE, and I think it's great. The integration of the online components are seamless, which is the way it should be. Bit worried about my download limits, though, but you get that.
... My rant!
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Obviously every gaming console is going to have it's strengths and weaknesses. Nintendo has done an excellent job at making the Wii backwards compatible.
What I don't understand is why the PlayStation 3 is no longer backwards compatible. Honestly, I would rarely play the original PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games if my PlayStation 3 was not backwards compatible. It's almost as if the gaming companies want us to forget about older generation games.
I see no reason why a console should not be backwards compatible if the game data is stored on media the current console can read. I presume there could be some issues with hardware, but the Nintendo was able to create an excellent backwards-compatible console.
I'm curious to find out what the next generation gaming consoles are going to be like. Console developers have been researching many new and unique ideas to the industry recently, and it will be interesting to see how many of those become integrated in their consoles.
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... the Wii does some stuff better.
Case in point: backwards compatibility. Anyone who says "all the Xbox originals you could possibly want to play on the 360 have patches available" is a damn liar. Now I didn't own an Xbox, mainly because there was nothing good on it, but my friend was so kind as to let me borrow Beyond Good & Evil, one of the most highly-acclaimed games of the generation past. I was looking forward to playing it, so much so that I decided to sign up to Xbox LIVE finally (Hoffy17, add me if you will, etc) and get the necessary patches and what not. With my idiot brain in tact, it took me an hour or so to figure out that there wasn't a goddamn patch for it. One of the best games ever (apparently), and there's no support to play it on a current-generation console, when there damn well should be.
Forgive me saying so, but it's nice to be able to turn on my Wii and just play my large selection of GameCube games, without having to pull out the purple little lunch box to do so. Every game is playable, for some reason, I don't really know why, or care. I sound ignorant in saying that, sure, but point is, the games are playable. They just are. Granted it would be nice not to have to change controllers on the Wii all the friggin' time, but... Nintendo do as Nintendo do.
Actually, after my experience with the 360, I find there are several things the Wii does better. I was confused today to find the 360 needed a wireless adapter to connect to my router, where the Wii doesn't. Luckily I had a semi-broken Ethernet cable lying around... which is annoying because I'd rather not go out and buy a $27,000 wireless adapter. Micro$oft just wants my money? Indeed.
I'm not trying to take a shot at the anti-Nintendo fanboys here, I'm just saying this backwards compatibility issue bothered me quite a lot. Actually, there are a lot of things I like about the 360. I started to play around with LIVE, and I think it's great. The integration of the online components are seamless, which is the way it should be. Bit worried about my download limits, though, but you get that.
... My rant!
Hence the reason I don't own any of the latest consoles, and chose to build a computer. Some idiots who think computers are !@#$% (read: 360 fanboys retards) still don't realise that a computer made all their games.
tl;dr, consoles suck, computers are better, big companies want money, etc etc.
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The Wii may have backwards-compatability, but that's all it has. May as well buy a Gamecube. Wii sucks!
*flees*
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The Wii may have backwards-compatability, but that's all it has. May as well buy a Gamecube. Wii sucks!
*flees*
Yeah, its not like the Wii has online gaming (unlike the GC) or a completely new control system, which I'll admit people have mixed opinions on, but I like. To be honest, all the people who say its just a waggle-fest, the other consoles are just press-button-fests.
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... the Wii does some stuff better.
Case in point: backwards compatibility. Anyone who says "all the Xbox originals you could possibly want to play on the 360 have patches available" is a damn liar. Now I didn't own an Xbox, mainly because there was nothing good on it, but my friend was so kind as to let me borrow Beyond Good & Evil, one of the most highly-acclaimed games of the generation past. I was looking forward to playing it, so much so that I decided to sign up to Xbox LIVE finally (Hoffy17, add me if you will, etc) and get the necessary patches and what not. With my idiot brain in tact, it took me an hour or so to figure out that there wasn't a goddamn patch for it. One of the best games ever (apparently), and there's no support to play it on a current-generation console, when there damn well should be.
Forgive me saying so, but it's nice to be able to turn on my Wii and just play my large selection of GameCube games, without having to pull out the purple little lunch box to do so. Every game is playable, for some reason, I don't really know why, or care. I sound ignorant in saying that, sure, but point is, the games are playable. They just are. Granted it would be nice not to have to change controllers on the Wii all the friggin' time, but... Nintendo do as Nintendo do.
Actually, after my experience with the 360, I find there are several things the Wii does better. I was confused today to find the 360 needed a wireless adapter to connect to my router, where the Wii doesn't. Luckily I had a semi-broken Ethernet cable lying around... which is annoying because I'd rather not go out and buy a $27,000 wireless adapter. Micro$oft just wants my money? Indeed.
I'm not trying to take a shot at the anti-Nintendo fanboys here, I'm just saying this backwards compatibility issue bothered me quite a lot. Actually, there are a lot of things I like about the 360. I started to play around with LIVE, and I think it's great. The integration of the online components are seamless, which is the way it should be. Bit worried about my download limits, though, but you get that.
... My rant!
Hence the reason I don't own any of the latest consoles, and chose to build a computer. Some idiots who think computers are !@#$% (read: 360 fanboys retards) still don't realise that a computer made all their games.
tl;dr, consoles suck, computers are better, big companies want money, etc etc.
Yea seriously, my computers faster than a 360 anyway =)
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Why do you need a new-gen system for your last gen games?
If I want to play Xbox games or GC games I'll just plug in one of those and play. And if you were stupid enough to sell one of them, then it's your own fault.
Wii still sucks !@#$%.
Micro$oft just wants my money? Indeed.
And Nintendo doesn't? You know, Nintendo hands everything out for free, those thoughtful bastards.
Yeah, its not like the Wii has online gaming (unlike the GC)
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LOLFRIENDCODESANDLAG.
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The Wii was originally a GCN peripheral, and its mostly GCN hardware. Of course its going to be bc.
360 on the otherhand had an entire rehaul on its architecture, which makes the fact that it has any bc incredibly impressive.
EDIT: As for Beyond Good and Evil, just play it on PC. Problem solved.
EDIT2: Next item up for bid: The WiFi conundrum. Wii has WiFi. Yes. Wii charges you to use a CAT5 cable. Yes. Which is really better now? WiFi online on games like Smash sucks. You'd think Nintendo fans would want to have the option for smooth online play. Guess not.
EDIT3: Then there's the issue of pricing. Wii with no memory - $250. 360 with no memory - $200. One year of Live - $30 if you're frugal, $50 if you're into convenience. That puts 360 at the very worst the same price as the Wii for startup. Then the peripherals. Oh God, the peripherals. Wii Wheel, Wii Baseball Bat, Wii Balance Board, Wii Tennis Racket, Wii Motion Plus (Wait wasn't that the point of the Wiimote?), Wii Lightgun, Wii Classic Controller, Wii Classic Controller Plus, Wii Speak, Wii Guitar, and I'm sure many others that I'm missing here. 360, besides GH, you can pick up your controller and just play your damn games. It shouldn't take buying an external wheel or a new controller to make a game like Mario Kart playable.
Nintendo's dropped the ball for those of us who enjoy games. 360 isn't a saint, your complaints are valid. However, its much better on all fronts than anything the Wii has to offer, sans BC which isn't much of an issue.
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Well, backwards compatibility is a valid point, indeed. You have not only the gamecube games working 100% with the Wii(partly due to the hardware only being a re-vamp) and the list of Virtual Console games.. it's quite cool. But does that really make the Wii a good console? What about the Wii's software architecture? Do you know how horrible it is? Or as to WHY Nintendo only releases security patches that erase the game saves? Partly the reason is because they're lazy. Another reason is because they simply can't. I'll elaborate.
The 360 and PS3 can both offer new updates to the games expanding their features. They even tie in the OS(dashboard for the 360, xmb for the PS3) with the game which is awesome because you can do stuff such as achievements, or you could sit in a party talking to your friends while playing a game. The reason why the Wii isn't capable of doing stuff such as this is because of not having some form of shared code. If you were to look at this in a kernel hackers perspective you'd look at that as taking a step back to operating systems before Unix was even around. Do you know about I/O OS? Every Wii game runs on a separate I/O OS. The I/O OS is a very low-level OS that passes on device drivers and what have you so that your game can have direct access to the hardware. Let's say that Twilight Princess runs on I/O OS version 1 and version 9 was released today. Well, Twilight Princess wouldn't be able to use I/O OS version 9 so any security flaws or new features wouldn't be able to be utilized. The 360 had a huge revamp that we know as NXE. Changed the menu setup and dropped the blade system and I believe it added the party system (I didn't own a 360 before NXE, so I don't know if the party system existed before it). The Wii Photo Channel is a good example of why the software stack in the Wii sucks ass. Just to add one little feature they had to completely update the channel with a brand new I/O OS just to be able to utilize it whatever feature (USB Keyboard support is a good example, mind you.). They were only able to make the update possible because they were able to have direct access to the software. Do you think the Wii's disc drive has writing capabilities on the optical discs? Or if the optical discs were re-writable, for that matter? You would think that you would be able to download a new executable of the game and pass it from your internal storage to the game, but no that's not possible. In fact, having all of the I/O OS's stored on your internal storage isn't really fun either. I don't understand with what they were thinking when they decided to slap on a 512MB flash memory. Why not have some sort of SSD variant that you can plug into the Wii? Oh, wait, you have the SD cards for that. You're only able to boot stream virtual console games from the SD card, though(to my knowledge). I can understand if Nintendo was trying to make a very basic system.. but this was all half-assed. Why do you think homebrew channel can sit there and be fine while you update to System Menu 4.0? Hell, I literally did try my luck with updating to 4.0 and it worked fine. Ran snes9x and played my Terranigma >_>. The update isn't really even worth it except the SD card storage for Virtual Console games. That should've been a feature from the very start. Why did they wait this long to add it? Why half-ass the software architecture and suffocate the gamers from extra features that get added on in later updates? Why make the Wii only a minor upgrade to the GameCube?
The gaming library is another story. In fact, I'm completely excluding all Virtual Console and Gamecube games from the Wii's game library because I can play them on their original systems just fine. "Well... I want to play Zelda Wind Waker! I guess I'll go turn on my Gamecube and start playing it." The only thing I see good about the Wii staying so true to its older brother is that with homebrew, I was able to burn a pirated copy of Zelda Wind Waker and play it for the first time because my parents never bought me that game when I was younger. "UHUHHUUHUHUHUUUU... I WANT TO PLAY STAR FOX! Damn.. it's not on Virtual Console." See, this is why we have emulators these days. It's not so hard to download the whole entire SNES, NES, Genesis, Mega Drive, etc. game library via bit torrent. I'm not saying you have to, I'm just pointing out how easy it is to get access to these games and boot them up in your emulator.
Alright, the game library is really a joke. There's a couple games that catch my eye "No More Heroes", "Twilight Princess", "Super Smash Bros. Brawl", and "Metroid Prime 3 Corruption" just to name a few. Are there any more good games you might ask? Well, let's see here.... the game library from both the 3rd party and 1st party game developers betrayed their loyal fanbase and decided to go completely mainstream on us. I wouldn't mind if it was like what the 360 has going on where it was both mainstream and staying true to their "loyal fans". But seriously, cmon... would I rather play "Touch the dot!" instead of "Star Wars Unleashed" on my 360? Oh, wait, it's on the Wii.. but the control scheme sucks. Waggle.. WAGGLE CMON GUYS! Twilight Princess isn't waggle on the Wii.. why is more than half of the native games for the Wii half-assed with their control scheme? I was really excited to actually get a little interactive with my games. But HEY! Let's just do masturbating gestures with my Wiimote while I am scoring 100% on my game! Yes, I literally did try that at one time and it worked..
I'm not saying that you have to be completely non-mainstream. In fact, I don't mind having main stream gamers. The 360 has a couple of games that might appeal to the main stream audience. Anyone remember back in October - December when Microsoft had that holiday bundle? Indiana Jones and Kung Fu Panda for the 360 in one case came. I never played it because I don't really care for either. I'm sure other people did, though.
Not every system is perfect. The 360 had the red ring of death issue, and isn't 100% perfect with XBOX emulation. The PS3 is overpriced; blu-ray technology was still too young at the time of its release so games use your internal storage to increase load times.. But, the Wii... I just listed a whole entire page of flaws. The only THING it seems to be good at is backwards compatibility. I'm not a PS3 fan, and I'm not too crazy about Microsoft.. Nintendo has been lacking their vibe that they had back when the Gamecube came out, or when even the 64 came out. They just don't care anymore and I don't believe they will anytime soon seeing as how the lol DSi just came out. The DSi is a portable equivalent to the Wii. A very slight upgrade to its predecessor. I remember reading somewhere that the older DS games can't utilize the RAM or the faster processor speeds the DSi has. So I guess that means that the DSi will have its own gaming library because of that. If that's the case, then WHY even bother making it a slight upgrade like that? Meh.
On second thought, I think I made my point.
EDIT: Hoffy, I know you're just posting your opinion :P. I figured it'd be nice to follow the trend and post my thoughts, too. I guess this thread sorta turned into a "share your thoughts on a current-gen console".
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Fortunately my PS3 has ended up providing where my Wii and 360 don't:
-Free online gameplay
-Wel-designed interface (best of ALL the current-gen-- doesn't lag/freeze up like 360)
-PSN, which has lots of awesome exclusive !@#$%
-HD graphics (via HDMI)
-Wireless AND wired internet built in
-More powerful than Wii
-Full backwards compatability with PS1 AND PS2 (I have 60gb ps3)
-RECHARGABLE WIRELESS CONTROLLERSS (which use standard usb to charge)-- one annoying part of the current gen is the batteries required for both the 360 and the Wii.
-I can stream video from my pc easily (also available on both 360 and wii, easiest to set up on ps3)
-Full, functional web-browser
-New features and updates for ps3 OS more often than 360 or Wii
-Came with more HDD space than either my 360 or Wii (360 has 120gb option, but I just have 20gb lol, Wii had 0 :))
To be completely honest, I don't really play my Wii AT ALL. I've got several games, but I don't want to play any of them. I play my PC the most, then my PS3 and 360 about the same amount.
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-Wel-designed interface (best of ALL the current-gen-- doesn't lag/freeze up like 360)
Clear your cache.
-PSN, which has lots of awesome exclusive !@#$%
Less than XBOX360.
-HD graphics (via HDMI)
*looks at HDMI connected 360*
-More powerful than Wii
So is 360.
-Full backwards compatability with PS1 AND PS2 (I have 60gb ps3)
Wii has full bc.
-RECHARGABLE WIRELESS CONTROLLERSS (which use standard usb to charge)-- one annoying part of the current gen is the batteries required for both the 360 and the Wii.
Nothing's stopping you from putting a rechargable battery in your contoller for $3.
-I can stream video from my pc easily (also available on both 360 and wii, easiest to set up on ps3)
Setup's the same on all 3.
-Full, functional web-browser
Why hello there Wii.
-New features and updates for ps3 OS more often than 360 or Wii
PS3 gets less system updates than 360. If you mean ones that ADD features, it probably has something to do with the PS3 launching feature stripped.
And before anyone asks, I like my PC more than anything right now.
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I like my PC more than anything right now.
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And before anyone asks, I like my PC more than anything right now.
Me too. 'Nuff said.
Don't worry -- eventually, EVERYTHING will be playable on the PC.
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Fortunately my PS3 has ended up providing where my Wii and 360 don't:
-Free online gameplay
-Wel-designed interface (best of ALL the current-gen-- doesn't lag/freeze up like 360)
-PSN, which has lots of awesome exclusive !@#$%
-HD graphics (via HDMI)
-Wireless AND wired internet built in
-More powerful than Wii
-Full backwards compatability with PS1 AND PS2 (I have 60gb ps3)
-RECHARGABLE WIRELESS CONTROLLERSS (which use standard usb to charge)-- one annoying part of the current gen is the batteries required for both the 360 and the Wii.
-I can stream video from my pc easily (also available on both 360 and wii, easiest to set up on ps3)
-Full, functional web-browser
-New features and updates for ps3 OS more often than 360 or Wii
-Came with more HDD space than either my 360 or Wii (360 has 120gb option, but I just have 20gb lol, Wii had 0 :))
To be completely honest, I don't really play my Wii AT ALL. I've got several games, but I don't want to play any of them. I play my PC the most, then my PS3 and 360 about the same amount.
Agree completely (except I don't have PS2 back compatibility because I am cheap). And I only have a 40 Gb drive.
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And before anyone asks, I like my PC more than anything right now.
Me too. 'Nuff said.
Don't worry -- eventually, EVERYTHING will be playable on the PC.
Most of it already is anyway.
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The Wii was originally a GCN peripheral, and its mostly GCN hardware. Of course its going to be bc.
360 on the otherhand had an entire rehaul on its architecture, which makes the fact that it has any bc incredibly impressive.
EDIT: As for Beyond Good and Evil, just play it on PC. Problem solved.
EDIT2: Next item up for bid: The WiFi conundrum. Wii has WiFi. Yes. Wii charges you to use a CAT5 cable. Yes. Which is really better now? WiFi online on games like Smash sucks. You'd think Nintendo fans would want to have the option for smooth online play. Guess not.
EDIT3: Then there's the issue of pricing. Wii with no memory - $250. 360 with no memory - $200. One year of Live - $30 if you're frugal, $50 if you're into convenience. That puts 360 at the very worst the same price as the Wii for startup. Then the peripherals. Oh God, the peripherals. Wii Wheel, Wii Baseball Bat, Wii Balance Board, Wii Tennis Racket, Wii Motion Plus (Wait wasn't that the point of the Wiimote?), Wii Lightgun, Wii Classic Controller, Wii Classic Controller Plus, Wii Speak, Wii Guitar, and I'm sure many others that I'm missing here. 360, besides GH, you can pick up your controller and just play your damn games. It shouldn't take buying an external wheel or a new controller to make a game like Mario Kart playable.
Nintendo's dropped the ball for those of us who enjoy games. 360 isn't a saint, your complaints are valid. However, its much better on all fronts than anything the Wii has to offer, sans BC which isn't much of an issue.
Those are good points. I don't pretend to be the kind of person who is an expert on the 'architecture' of consoles, therefore I really don't know how much of a GameCube the Wii is - actually, a lot of gamers wouldn't really understand. I just take the role of the end-user, completely unaware of all processing, and only concerned with the console's inputs and outputs. Actually, I find the controller-switching (and storing, for that matter) on the Wii quite tedious as well. But yes, I agree that the 360 isn't the god of consoles... though it does do a lot of things right in terms of next-generation games :).
gm112 - Yeah, I think I agree completely with everything you've said. I agree that the Wii does a lot of stuff wrong, actually. Now that you've actually laid out all those technical flaws for me, I can see that there was a lot of slack decisions Nintendo made, which would have otherwise benefited the console. Actually, I haven't used my Wii to play a game "hardcore" style since Metroid Prime 3. I use the Wii for what's it good for, though - whenever I have friends or family over, we'll usually play Brawl, or Mario Kart, or Wii Sports, or Guitar Hero World Tour. And often I'll use my Wii for GameCube games, Virtual Console and WiiWare games... which I don't think is a bad thing. Sure I could just play ROMs and download GCN ISOs, but I like this "legal" way more. Now that I can use my SD card to play VC and WW games, I can download and play games as I please. Just recently I bought World of Goo, which I think is one of the best games I've ever played. For what it's good for, the Wii is good. For what it's bad for - wtf Nintendo :-\?
Thanks for the constructive discussion, everyone.
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Guys, no more spam and off-topic bickering. If it resumes this thread will be locked.
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And before anyone asks, I like my PC more than anything right now.
Me too. 'Nuff said.
Don't worry -- eventually, EVERYTHING will be playable on the PC.
Most of it already is anyway.
I was playing some old PS1 games a few days ago with a gamepad XD brings back the memories
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The one thing that I do not like about the backwards compatibility with the Wii for Game Cube games is that you still have to navigate the menus to get to the Wii game - which means that you have to use your Wii-mote to get to the channel, wait, and then click play. This just bugs me because if I want to play a game and I know that my Wii-mote is dead on its batteries, it makes my Wii unusable.
I mean, even the Nintendo DS had an auto-load option. Unless I am being a little dense and I missed a control setting somewhere, this is a problem for me. Otherwise the backwards compatibility is alright.
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No, there's no "auto-start" option. Just buy new batteries. Or chargeable ones. Or the charging stand for the Wii-motes.
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If I played the Wii a lot, getting a charging stand might be a good option. Otherwise hoarding batteries is not really a practical option considering that unless I lived alone the battery pack would be raided by others. The point though is that the navigation of the Wii menu to just start a Game Cube game, how you have to go to the console to turn it off it you are running a Game Cube game, etc. is inconveniencing.
Meh, and I guess I broke a rule with myself. The term "battery" in place of "dry cell" is incorrect unless used colloquially.
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I like my PC more than anything right now.
Amen.
Oh, and if Nintendo was like everyone else, we'd rather call them:
Atari (Nintendo) Colecovision (Xbox360) and the Intelevision (PS3).
With nearly the same game compatibilities, (Except for exclusives)
All having the same controller! (By the way, Nintendo being sued for the Classic controller because it looks like someone elses which is actually a lie cause it looks like a SNES controller, except white and with a joystick.)
All having backwards compatability!
All Blu-Ray!
All have some sort of Virtual Console!
All taking your money!
All with RRoD!
All with issues that are addressed over and over!
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Oh, and every console has there flaws. I wonder who bit the crap out of SEGA's 21.5 MHz processors? xD Or the 64-bit Atari Jaguar? xD
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Speaking of bad things, my 360 power adapter made from zapping noises then smelt like fresh fireworks a few hours ago... !@#$%.
*proceeded to find N64 in basement and hooked up OoT to his 42" LCD HDTV*
gawd, looks nasty ugly!
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Speaking of bad things, my 360 power adapter made from zapping noises then smelt like fresh fireworks a few hours ago... !@#$%.
*proceeded to find N64 in basement and hooked up OoT to his 42" LCD HDTV*
gawd, looks nasty ugly!
It looks pretty good on my 32" LCD HDTV. MM looks way better though obviously. Which just so happens to be what I'm playing through at the moment. I forgot how amazing it is. I started playing it again on N64 a few days before it came out on VC.
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OK, as long as we are putting our thoughts into the newest generation consoles. The most important reasons for me choosing a console are the potential software and the price.
Price: currently the 360 is a good price for buying one, but at it's launch the price was too high. The price of the 360 was also too high at the moment of the launch of the Wii. PS3 is still too high. I ain't going to pay €399,- for a freaking PS3 with 60GB HD and Little Big Planet. No matter what high end hardware or special features it has. After a year it is outdated anyway.
Potential Games: I always look at the games coming with the launch (and a few months after) and also the potential of future games. Agreed Nintendo has an unfair advantage because it has a long and rich history of good franchises. Microsoft is still a relative newcomer. Sony also has a number of good franchises, which until this moment have remained exclusive for the Playstation, but the most of them are 3rd party and could change consoles at any given moment. At the launch of the Wii I had a number of games I wanted to play. At the launch of the 360 there was only 1 (Kameo) and at the launch of the PS3 there were none.
And at this moment I still find the Wii to have a more appealing lineup then the others. What can I say I just like games which are totally unrealistic and brightly colored. For me games are about the fun factor and that is what Nintendo is still good at. With the 360 and PS3 I get the feeling they are all about realistic looking graphics and a lot of blood and gore. I just don't like that very much. i also get the impression that the PS3 and 360 is more into the horror and fps games, and that are two genres I don't like (with the exception of Goldeneye on the N64).
I don't know if it is true anymore, but I've often heard the argument that the 360 or PS3 have more games in their lineup then the Wii (not counting backwards compatibility). But frankly I don't have the time nor the money to play and buy all the games I like on the Wii, so that is not so much an issue. (On a second note, I rather like that not so many good games are released at the moment for the Wii, because it allows me to catch up.)
Backwards Compatibility: seemingly important to some people, of little importance to me. Why you might say. Well for all of the older generation games I still have, I got the required console as well. And the older generation games are hard to get. Although with Nintendo's newest cash-in action of 'New Play Control', it is easier for some. Additionally like in the previous paragraph, I don't have the time nor money to play them (all).
High end Graphics and Audio: Another feature which doesn't bother me all to much. I could see the difference between NES and SNES, SNES and N64 and N64 and Gamecube, but after that it all became the same to me. I couldn't notice any difference in graphics between PS2, Gamecube and Xbox, nor can I see any difference between the previous generation consoles and the current. I instantly believe the numbers you will throw at me about polygons and pixels and the improvement of HDMI. But frankly when I'm playing a game it isn't different to me. Maybe because I'm to focused on the gameplay or I just don't have an eye for these aspects. Or maybe it is because I subconsciously just don't care. The same goes for the audio BTW. I still love the good old SNES graphics, but that may be nostalgia speaking.
On line: I actually hate the trend that multiplayer has to go on line. It becomes impersonal and distant. I know about voice chat and all that, but it still doesn't replace the entire on the couch sitting an looking with a number of people at a (split) screen. I noticed this with LANning as well. Even though we are sitting around the same table, all the social interaction is gone. If I want to sit alone in a room playing a game, I rather do it in singleplayer mode, than against a faceless opponent across the world. In multiplayer I want to be able to look my opponents in the eye, curse them, give them nudges with the elbow or knees to distract them. Or making them pay attention to my avatar instead of their own. Really on line multiplayer? I rather play a silent game of cards around the table, then play on line with voice chat.
Webbrowsing? Helloooooo! PC anyone! Really to browse on line I would use a PC. A keyboard and mouse are a lot more usefull too. I know you can connect a keyboard to the consoles, but why buy/connect a keyboard to your console, when 99.99999% of the people have a (outdated) PC anyways. On a HDTV it might look reasonable, but on those TV's a webbrowser looks really horrible.
Downloading patches? In my oppinion, if a developer has to bring out patches to fix problems or add some features. I just think it is sloppy work. For the system it self I can live with it and I can understand that PC games require it, because due to so many hardware, it is practically impossible to test every configuration. But a console game. Helloooo! Couldn't the developer be bothered to complete the game before shipping it and selling it to customers. If I need to download a new feature,because they didn't include it in the sold version of the game, then that feature has to be one hell of a feature. In these cases the new features warrants a sequel and a complete new game is made. If I need to download a patch for a console game, because of a bug. Then that is just sloppy testing. It is only 1 configuration you need to test. But they just shipped an incomplete game, because a fart waited to long and wanted to see some money. This applies to Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft and all the other publishers and developers.
Game controllers: Let me start off with saying that I, unlike most, actually like the waggling of the wiimote and often prefer it over the button bashing on gamepads. I know people perform better with a normal gamepad, because they can react faster or are quicker of movement. But I can't help wondering if it isn't because we are trained in it and aren't used to the game immersion the Wiimote represents.
Wallnut: I don't know how you come to such a long list of peripherals, but you can play every Wii game with just 4 peripherals. The Wiimote, Nunchuck, Balance Board and Gamecube controller. All the other things are nothing more then decoration and absolutely not necessary. I have to admit that I also have a Wii Wheel and Wii Zapper, but that is because those pieces of plastic came with the games (Yes, I bought Link's crossbow training for the game and not the plastic). Maybe in the future the Wiimotion plus gets added to this list, but it all depends on its support in the games. One exception are the Instruments, but you have to buy those for the 360 and PS3 as well. And changing of controllers isn't that much of a problem, because I've stored them next to the Wii. The changing of controllers happens when I want to play another game and then I have to walk to my Wii to change the disk anyway. The only thing that takes more time is disconnecting the Nunchuck.
But back to the topic. I like the Wiimote, because of the waggling. With it I have more of an immersive experience. And the wiimote is actually the first step towards a gaming experience like Star Trek's holodeck. Although I might never experience that. There is nothing wrong with a regular gamepad, but it is less immersive. And the internal battery of the PS3 is actually a disadvantage because of several reasons. 1) You need a spare gamepad, for when the battery is empty, 2) (Don't know for sure), but you could play with a charge cable connected to the gamepad, robbing it of its wireless aspect. The cables probably aren't that long, which forces you to sit closer to the PS3. 3) When the battery goes dead, because of the many discharges and recharges, you need to buy a complete gamepad of €40,- instead of a new rechargeable battery of €2,- (maybe less).
I have probably forgotten a number of aspects, which I gladly give my oppinion on when asked. But for me the best console to buy was the Wii. Although I am considering to add another, but like I said. I don't have the time or the money to afford them.
PS: Many would ask what about the PC. Well in my oppinion it is a hell to game on my PC. I use it for business and study purposes and to play video (including Blu-Ray) and music. I really dislike playing games on the PC, because past experience has really soured it. To have a decent gaming experience, I was constantly tweaking the PC. I wasted more time and money on maintaining my PC for a decent gaming experience then I would actually be able to play a game. I hear people say that a PC has better graphics and more hardware strength, but that doesn't matter to me. And parts of the PC are very expensive and are outdated within a year. A console would last for a lot longer and isn't as expensive.
Secondly installing games is such a drag. When I buy a game, want to be able to put the disk in and be able to play it immediately, and not wait until the game has installed a number of GB's on plugins required for the game. Call me lazy, but I just don't like it.
Third the keyboard has to many buttons, that I always push the wrong ones. I know there are gamepads for the PC, but it is always praying that the one you have is supported.
Finally, because a PC has a lot of different combinations in hardware, it often happens that the game doesn't work in a certain combinations (even if you use popular parts). I had to wait for a patch which could take weeks and then all my interest in the game had vanished. For example: I've bought C&C Tiberian Sun, but never played it, due to a incompatibility with mouse drivers. Before that was resolved a few months had past and my interest was gone with the wind. Even today I still have the disk, but never played the game.
And that is why I think playing games on a PC stinks.
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I agree with pretty much everything you've said Niek, especially the online multiplayer bit. Sure some games are great to have online (RTSs for example) but shooters, fighters, party games etc. are always more fun when you can get up and dance in the face of the person you just pwned.
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although i will still buy games for my wii (aslong as anything good comes out), i am leaning closer to the pc then anything else for most of my gaming but the only thing i don't like is the fact that windows live applies to the pc version of most xbox games as well, making it so you need to pay for a gold membership for online play, i can't afford both internet and that, also i am too used to playing online for free.
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Obviously every gaming console is going to have it's strengths and weaknesses. Nintendo has done an excellent job at making the Wii backwards compatible.
What I don't understand is why the PlayStation 3 is no longer backwards compatible. Honestly, I would rarely play the original PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games if my PlayStation 3 was not backwards compatible. It's almost as if the gaming companies want us to forget about older generation games.
I see no reason why a console should not be backwards compatible if the game data is stored on media the current console can read. I presume there could be some issues with hardware, but the Nintendo was able to create an excellent backwards-compatible console.
I'm curious to find out what the next generation gaming consoles are going to be like. Console developers have been researching many new and unique ideas to the industry recently, and it will be interesting to see how many of those become integrated in their consoles.
I believe the PS3 is no longer backwards compatible due to the open licensing now available on the PS2.
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About tweaking your PC before playing games niek, you're supposed to do that, it's part of the whole PC gaming experience. That and having a hundred actions bound to the keyboard. If you don't like it, better to stick with consoles.
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Obviously every gaming console is going to have it's strengths and weaknesses. Nintendo has done an excellent job at making the Wii backwards compatible.
What I don't understand is why the PlayStation 3 is no longer backwards compatible. Honestly, I would rarely play the original PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games if my PlayStation 3 was not backwards compatible. It's almost as if the gaming companies want us to forget about older generation games.
I see no reason why a console should not be backwards compatible if the game data is stored on media the current console can read. I presume there could be some issues with hardware, but the Nintendo was able to create an excellent backwards-compatible console.
I'm curious to find out what the next generation gaming consoles are going to be like. Console developers have been researching many new and unique ideas to the industry recently, and it will be interesting to see how many of those become integrated in their consoles.
You can still play PSone games on any PS3. (No I dont mean rebuying of the PSstore, I mean actually using the disc).
Being as theres a lot of Controller talk, I'll post my say;
I love the PS3 controller, because theres no immediate change to the PS2 pad, its easy to pick up and play a game with. I also am rather fond of the 360 pad, the layouts simple, and fits quite nicely in the hand. I how ever, hate the Wiimote, I mean people keep saying how it allows for life like gameplay, if thats the case then whats all this motion plus !@#$% they are releasing? Theres a lot I hate about the Wii, I'm hoping it wont be a fashion all other game companies will follow...
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My biggest issue... is that people commend Nintendo for making sales off of people who don't give 2 shits about gaming. It's a console that's half the price of big consoles with one big novelty feature that they market to people who are too retarded to know better. The people who typically buy the wii don't give a rats ass about gaming at all. They only think "Oh hey I can lose weight on this" (btw that's low of Nintendo, but hey Microsoft is the bad guy here for having the money, not those cheap shot bastards at Nintendo, right?), or "Hey cool I can make music with a wagglestick!" (... come on now).
The wii is a glorified children's toy right now. Don't throw in the argument of "OH BUT LOOK AT MADWORLD AND A TON OF OTHER GAMES", because I will throw the 360 and the PS3's catalog in your face hard. Theres not that many games geared towards adults on the wii folks. Only novelty party games geared towards non-gamers.
In the house I live in now, theres a Wii, and an Xbox 360. The person who owns these 2 systems has 2 sons. He bought the wii for them thinking they'd like it.... Guess what. They'd rather play GTA4 and Fable 2 than the waggle games. They find them more challenging. He now says that it was a big mistake to buy it because it's never used. Even he says "Once I got more into gaming I realized the Wii was just cheap compared to the other systems I have.
This is coming from a non-gamer.
My rather long-winded point is that the Wii doesn't really do anything right other than !@#$% itself out to people who are too stupid to know what's better. They get sales off of naive people, and zealots like nintendo fanboys glorify what they're doing and say Microsoft's evil for not giving up on the hardcore gamers. The 360 may have its issues, but at least it has substance. The wii is just... novelty gag after novelty gag.
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My rather long-winded point is that the Wii doesn't really do anything right other than !@#$% itself out to people who are too stupid to know what's better. They get sales off of naive people, and zealots like nintendo fanboys glorify what they're doing and say Microsoft's evil for not giving up on the hardcore gamers. The 360 may have its issues, but at least it has substance. The wii is just... novelty gag after novelty gag.
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I agree with your post, Mammy. By the way, I'd like to add on to my original post. "Well, why can't they just rewrite the System Menu and scrap the I/O OS concept?".. they can't. They would have to completely make a new console in order for them to escape the !@#$% architecture that they constructed. It's like the DSi with regular DS games. "Why can't DS games use WPA Wireless Network on the DSi?".. same case with the Wii, pretty much >_>. So, yeah. Good job, Nintendo. You've lost my respect and possibly a huge bunch of gamers who are probably now 360/PS3 gamers.
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Mamoruanime, there is nothing naive about buying the Wii and it is not retarded if you like it and think the Wii is a good gaming console.
After the N64 and the Gamecube Nintendo had to come with something that would earn them big money. Because they were losing their market share rapidly. They would go bankrupt or had to become like SEGA a third party developer. With the Wii it was their third strike and they hit a homerun. And they did it by doing something completely new. You may call it a "novelty gag after novelty gag". But they are bringing a new product, which many people like and has expanded the market like crazy. Nintendo is the same as Microsoft and Sony. A big company out to get our money. They were losing it with the N64 and Gamecube, so they tried something new and hit the jackpot. And Nintendo wasn't even the first to explore this area. Microsoft had made a motion sensing controller once, but never offered the games to support it. Sony came during the PS2 with Singstar and Eye Toy, but never explored the possibilities any further. Nintendo did take the step. True, most of the first games were collection of minigames, reasonably fast the full-fledged games appeared. I'm not a prophet, but I think Sony and Microsoft will follow Nintendo's example, even if they denying it now.
The games Nintendo makes these days aren't any less of a game just because they aren't the traditional games we have always known and loved. To the contrary of what you believe, the so-called "non-gamer" does care about their entertainment and videogaming. The traditional videogames never offered them something they were interested in. You introduce people to something, by means off what they like. I think that with most traditional gamers, they are troubled with pride an vanity, because playing games no longer is the property of a select community, but the whole world is gaming now.
Go ahead, start bashing me now. About me being a fanboy, but you can't deny that from a business point Nintendo did the right thing.
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After the N64 and the Gamecube Nintendo had to come with something that would earn them big money. Because they were losing their market share rapidly. They would go bankrupt or had to become like SEGA a third party developer. With the Wii it was their third strike and they hit a homerun. And they did it by doing something completely new. You may call it a "novelty gag after novelty gag". But they are bringing a new product, which many people like and has expanded the market like crazy. Nintendo is the same as Microsoft and Sony. A big company out to get our money. They were losing it with the N64 and Gamecube, so they tried something new and hit the jackpot. And Nintendo wasn't even the first to explore this area. Microsoft had made a motion sensing controller once, but never offered the games to support it. Sony came during the PS2 with Singstar and Eye Toy, but never explored the possibilities any further. Nintendo did take the step. True, most of the first games were collection of minigames, reasonably fast the full-fledged games appeared. I'm not a prophet, but I think Sony and Microsoft will follow Nintendo's example, even if they denying it now.
So you mean the idea of gimmick toys as a future for gaming is a good idea? !@#$% that, its a horrible Idea. The wii has about 3 goodish games, yes the wii has a lot of games, as yes I can understand these appealing too people who will probably only play them for about an hour then !@#$% off and deal with the rest of their lives. The Wii offers nothing to people who actually play games to be immeresed in a story.
The games Nintendo makes these days aren't any less of a game just because they aren't the traditional games we have always known and loved. To the contrary of what you believe, the so-called "non-gamer" does care about their entertainment and videogaming. The traditional videogames never offered them something they were interested in. You introduce people to something, by means off what they like. I think that with most traditional gamers, they are troubled with pride an vanity, because playing games no longer is the property of a select community, but the whole world is gaming now.
I wouldn't be bothered about new gamers coming in, if Nintendo hadn't completely turned its back on people who actually enjoyed gaming for what it was, an immersive experience. Non of this "innovative" !@#$%.
Go ahead, start bashing me now. About me being a fanboy, but you can't deny that from a business point Nintendo did the right thing.
They did the right thing to milk money, but turning your back on their whole audience wasn't good...