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Re: World Peace? - Truth or Fantasy?
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2008, 11:24:09 pm »
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Have anybody read that book "The Giver"?

Yes, and it was great. But you see, Jonas lived in a society where peace was attained via the use of genetic modification and drugs that deaden emotion and instinct, making more of a dystopia than a utopia.
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2008, 11:28:31 pm »
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We will never attain world peace. Humans by nature are a selfish and aggressive species, and will always resort to violence at some point to accomplish their goals. The fact that we actually have a civilized society defies our innermost primal urges.

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I diagree, humans aren't by nature a selfish and agressive species, nature itself asks for humans to be selfish and agressive.
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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2008, 11:36:20 pm »
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We will never attain world peace. Humans by nature are a selfish and aggressive species, and will always resort to violence at some point to accomplish their goals. The fact that we actually have a civilized society defies our innermost primal urges.

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I diagree, humans aren't by nature a selfish and agressive species, nature itself asks for humans to be selfish and agressive.

Not really humans are also selfish for materialistic things. If it was selishness for Food and Drink then yeah I'd agree with it.
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Re: World Peace? - Truth or Fantasy?
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2008, 12:17:42 am »
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There are too many stupid/selfish/power hungry/IQ = zero/etc people out there to make world peace more than just a dream-
I don't think it's something impossible though, people (those stupid/selfish...) are just making it seem to be so and hard to get
through.

Never going to happen. Human nature is synonymous with conflict, getting everyone to respect and tolerate each other is just a pipe dream, there will always be one nutcase ready to break the peace, be he a religous zealot or a plain sadist.

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Re: World Peace? - Truth or Fantasy?
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2008, 12:29:36 am »
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War makes the world go round. Man kind is able to see past everything but the strength of the opposition. Say you have a great productive city with oil and lots of doctors and firemen and what not, but no Army, and another country with a massive army, but nothing else, the Army country will just charge straight into it and take it, a country can't defend itself by anything but it's manpower and strength, it's not like a country is going to say 'Well our average IQ is better than yours so we can conquer you" it's all to do with capturing the enemy. Peace does not work, the more we put war off, the worse it comes to us, it gives people jobs to manufacture weapons, War, unfortunately, is an important part of this world.
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Re: World Peace? - Truth or Fantasy?
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2008, 12:42:23 am »
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Whatever we're doing now, it's certainly not going to get better.

Wouldn't surprise me if a war emerges because of rising gas prices, not everyone is ever going to have the one same goal. My dad for example is biased and says global warming is a load of !@#$% and people are just using it as an excuse for greed and making money since 'environmental friendly' products are more expensive, despite many people believe global warming exists and such. Skeptics will be skeptics, not much can be done except to fuel the greed of mankind.

Many people want the death penalty back, there will always be ethical issues and there will not be peace until the death of this planet. It wont last forever, peace will be obtained at last when everyone is dead and gone, no one will exist to create any conflict cus we b ded lolz.
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2008, 03:07:59 am »
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We will never attain world peace. Humans by nature are a selfish and aggressive species, and will always resort to violence at some point to accomplish their goals. The fact that we actually have a civilized society defies our innermost primal urges.

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I diagree, humans aren't by nature a selfish and agressive species, nature itself asks for humans to be selfish and agressive.

Not really humans are also selfish for materialistic things. If it was selishness for Food and Drink then yeah I'd agree with it.
It's the culture.
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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2008, 12:18:33 pm »
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We will never attain world peace. Humans by nature are a selfish and aggressive species, and will always resort to violence at some point to accomplish their goals. The fact that we actually have a civilized society defies our innermost primal urges.

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I diagree, humans aren't by nature a selfish and agressive species, nature itself asks for humans to be selfish and agressive.

Not really humans are also selfish for materialistic things. If it was selishness for Food and Drink then yeah I'd agree with it.
It's the culture.

Wait I just re-read your post. Disregard mine >_<
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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2008, 06:03:12 pm »
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As long as humans exist, so will violent conflicts, and as long as governements exist, violent conflicts will become wars.
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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2008, 03:33:57 am »
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No world peace = false; besides everyone at some time and point in there life goes, "I hate those people over there."
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« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2008, 11:30:04 am »
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Humans are selfish by nature BECAUSE nature requires humans to be selfish  (except with regard to their off-spring, but that's genetic selfishness anyway), so it was effectively bred into us. Human instinct is to fight for the best resources for ourselves and our offspring, and what are we if not slaves to our instincts? I remember hearing of an idea in psychology that the 'human consciousness' is at best a lie, and that it could be best described as taking the back-seat, not actually in control of anything. In other words, they is no such thing as a conscious act, everything is done on impulse and instinct. Not sure if I agree with it or not, but it is food for thought.

I also kinda agree with the robots in The Matrix, humanity acts like a parasite, go forth and multiply, consuming the natural resources of the world. Even 'isolated tribes' do this, just at a much slower rate.
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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2008, 12:30:15 pm »
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I've never called being selfish a bad thing. In fact, I don't think bad and good really exist, the world is, always has been, and always will be nothing more than an eternal shade of grey.
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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2008, 12:36:29 am »
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Jay's right, selfishness and so-called materialism have been evolved by most species, the human race no exception, in order to aid survival and procreation. Who could survive if they never attended their own needs?
Now, individually, world peace is obviously just not feasible. Nobody can expect everybody to be completely tolerant at the same time - if that happened for a split second it would be remarkable, let alone for a controlled, extended period of time.

Political world peace, however... that I can believe in. Still a very distant picture, but possible with a radical shift in direction.

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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2008, 05:36:05 am »
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Am I the only one here who doesn't want world peace? I mean seriously that would make for one heck of a boring world. No one would have any reason for doing anything, there wouldn't be any competitions worth competing in. History would be quite dull to, I mean people think history is dull now? Can you imagine what it would be like if it was all like and the 15th century was marked by an era of peace with the no fighting or war just like all the other centuries whoop-de-doo and hurray.
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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2008, 05:37:50 am »
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Well... Theres a quote that pretty much sums it up...

"To secure peace is to prepare for war."

World peace wont happen. Ever.
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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2008, 01:03:08 am »
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Am I the only one here who doesn't want world peace? I mean seriously that would make for one heck of a boring world. No one would have any reason for doing anything, there wouldn't be any competitions worth competing in. History would be quite dull to, I mean people think history is dull now? Can you imagine what it would be like if it was all like and the 15th century was marked by an era of peace with the no fighting or war just like all the other centuries whoop-de-doo and hurray.
are you !@#$% serious? it would be exactly the opposite. without heaps of money being tied up in war-related purposes, there'd be even more being circulated for cultural consequence. life would be far from boring.
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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2008, 10:33:09 pm »
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War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies,
by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of
life - has become a well-oiled machine.

War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons,
use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance
and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information
control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is
monitored and kept under control.

War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of
control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from
weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the
battlefield... Controls history.

War has changed. When the battlefield is under total
control... ...War becomes routine.
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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2008, 10:37:31 pm »
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War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies,
by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of
life - has become a well-oiled machine.

War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons,
use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance
and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information
control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is
monitored and kept under control.

War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of
control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from
weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the
battlefield... Controls history.

War has changed. When the battlefield is under total
control... ...War becomes routine.
Metal Gear reference, but righty-o it still rings true...kind of. Not really the nanomachine thing.

Am I the only one here who doesn't want world peace? I mean seriously that would make for one heck of a boring world. No one would have any reason for doing anything, there wouldn't be any competitions worth competing in. History would be quite dull to, I mean people think history is dull now? Can you imagine what it would be like if it was all like and the 15th century was marked by an era of peace with the no fighting or war just like all the other centuries whoop-de-doo and hurray.
are you !@#$% serious? it would be exactly the opposite. without heaps of money being tied up in war-related purposes, there'd be even more being circulated for cultural consequence. life would be far from boring.
I think with a lot of money lying around, people would HAVE to make weapons. I can't fathom a large government not manufacturing weapons with their free money. It seems like an alien concept to me.
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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2008, 02:38:46 am »
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War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies,
by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of
life - has become a well-oiled machine.

War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons,
use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance
and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information
control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is
monitored and kept under control.

War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of
control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from
weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the
battlefield... Controls history.

War has changed. When the battlefield is under total
control... ...War becomes routine.

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Re: World Peace? - Truth or Fantasy?
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2008, 06:45:01 pm »
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There's no such thing as "human nature". There are too many kinds of people to put them into one single slot.
The problem is that there will always be aggressive people. And they can get pretty high in politics, maybe even run a country.
As much as I'd like to believe in world peace, I don't think its possible. There are too many greedy people running things. Wars are just a way to gain more power and resources to one country/group. And nowadays it just gets more scary, because you can destroy a whole country with one single push of a button. As longs as weapons exists, there's no chance of peace.
That's why I don't like to think about that stuff. I'll just live my life in peace, so I can do my part of the world peace. :P
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