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General => Other Discussion => Boards => Archive => Debates => Topic started by: Drewdelz on August 18, 2008, 07:55:47 pm
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They are becoming the laughing stalk of the world.
Pull your army out of Iraq and go fight Russia. Oh that's right, Bush won't because he knows Russia's army is just as big, if not bigger and better. The only reason they evaded Iraq is because they knew they're nothing but a bunch of towel heads with rusted AKs, and no real training whatsoever.
It's like the big cocky !@#$% who only fights wimps or drunks at parties, cuz they know they'll win.
Plus the US is loosing what little respect(and I do mean LITTLE) they had with the rest of the world because they won't back up someone in their alliance like they're supposed to.
EDIT: And of course I don't mean all of the troops and soldiers of the US army themselves, they're not the pussies. I mean the leaders and people telling them what to do.
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They are becoming the laughing stalk of the world.
Pull your army out of Iraq and go fight Russia. Oh that's right, Bush won't because he knows Russia's army is just as big, if not bigger and better. The only reason they evaded Iraq is because they knew they're nothing but a bunch of towel heads with rusted AKs, and no real training whatsoever.
It's like the big cocky !@#$% who only fights wimps or drunks at parties, cuz they know they'll win.
Plus the US is loosing what little respect(and I do mean LITTLE) they had with the rest of the world because they won't back up someone in their alliance like they're supposed to.
Erm...no.
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To be fair I'd rather America stay out of that war.
It's annoying where all other countries here about is the stupid !@#$% wars that America is in. They never win anyway, it would just go on for 8 or more years with no resolution.
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Might wanna watch the racial slurs there a bit.
That aside, I'm unsure what to think about this Russian thing lately.. I do think any country has the right to defend themselves, if they're shot upon.. Russia did just that. -- With that said, we've been pushing Russia's buttons since we got rid of the arms deal, now we're pointing missiles at them with our new eastern European system. They definitely have reason to be pissed at Bush.
We're also pushing it with Iran, Iran's biggest backer, or one of them, is Russia.. China too to boot.
It could be a messy few months if someone doesn't watch what they're doing. :|
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Your attention is misguided in that you are judging the troops and not the commander-in-chief, although arguably the commander-in-chief has been deferring to the commanders on the ground and giving them approval for what they want to do. The individual soldiers are just doing their jobs the best they can in a bad situation; excluding the occurrences of the soldiers who beat up prisoners and all of that. Canada isn't that great either though; it bothers me when people criticize the things that America for having the ability to do things rather than just criticizing the bad decisions and whatnot.
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Here's my summary of everyone at war.
US: YOU GUYS ARE !@#$% I'M GOING HOME
Others: NO YOU GUYS ARE !@#$%
Canada: Come on guys stooooooopppp, can't we all just get along?
Silly Canada and their peace troops.
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To be fair I'd rather America stay out of that war.
It's annoying where all other countries here about is the stupid !@#$% wars that America is in. They never win anyway, it would just go on for 8 or more years with no resolution.
Yeah, but the US is staying there for obvious reasons. It's what they want.
(oil and power there)
And I agree, I don't want some world war starting over this !@#$%. But Russia shouldn't be pushing Georgia around like that. And pretty soon they'll starting thinking they can invade for areas.
Plus the US already has a bad world army rep anyway for also illegally invading Iraq.
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I think the US wants to avoid fighting Russia in favor of not letting the earth become a gigantic nuclear fallout zone.
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To be fair I'd rather America stay out of that war.
It's annoying where all other countries here about is the stupid !@#$% wars that America is in. They never win anyway, it would just go on for 8 or more years with no resolution.
Georgia is nearly part of NATO (though they -arent- yet) if they were, the US and other NATO nations would be obligated to defend/assist them in a time of need. That's the purpose of NATO.
I really think this strike was one of several things
1) Russia trying to prevent Georgia from joining NATO
2) Russian retaliation on Georgia for firing on their peace keepers
3) Liberation of that territory Russia invaded, which by the way is attempting to break away from Georgia.
After watching that 12 year old girl on Fox News, my opinion of that situation took a different turn. Though I wasn't very pleased to start with, it just sort of confirmed other feelings/thoughts I had regarding the matter.
Shitstorm is brewing, for sure.
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Drewdelz you should totally write a book, "How to make a Successful Topic at ZFGC".
Canada isn't that great either though;
Yeah, but we admit that :P
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I think the US wants to avoid fighting Russia in favor of not letting the earth become a gigantic nuclear fallout zone.
Kinda true, both countries have nukes.
It would be one helluva blow to the earth if both sides got nuked like that.
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I think the US wants to avoid fighting Russia in favor of not letting the earth become a gigantic nuclear fallout zone.
Pffft! Come on a little Nuclear Fallout never hurt anybody. I thought you were manly then that Swoftu :P
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The United States has Hawaii (Japan would ironically assist) and Alaska (Canada would assist) which would serve to be great outliers for command operations in the event of a nuclear attack with intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads; assuming that ICBMs would be standard at all silos and submarines due to the need to attack anywhere. In the event of a nuclear attack on the United States, assuming that Canada and Mexico were not too scared to do anything and assuming that the impact zones on the US' northern and southern cities would breach over borders, Canada and Mexico would side with the US.
The Bush administration has no credibility in terms of telling Russia to not invade Georgia though. The bigger problem in my opinion though is the weakness and persistent existence of the United Nations Security Council.
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They are becoming the laughing stalk of the world.
Pull your army out of Iraq and go fight Russia. Oh that's right, Bush won't because he knows Russia's army is just as big, if not bigger and better. The only reason they evaded Iraq is because they knew they're nothing but a bunch of towel heads with rusted AKs, and no real training whatsoever.
It's like the big cocky !@#$% who only fights wimps or drunks at parties, cuz they know they'll win.
Plus the US is loosing what little respect(and I do mean LITTLE) they had with the rest of the world because they won't back up someone in their alliance like they're supposed to.
So you talk all this !@#$%, and then:
EDIT: And of course I don't mean all of the troops and soldiers of the US army themselves, they're not the pussies. I mean the leaders and people telling them what to do.
How about have your president or whatever you guys have up there ship you to a foreign country because you happen to be 18, and not in college. Then have some AMERICAN call you a !@#$% because you're fighting for something you don't believe in. You don't think Americans want to pull out of Iraq? You should check polls before you go making topics like this generalizing MY country's army as "Pussies". You could have simply stated that our president is an idiot, and probably EVERY American here would agree, but before you go talking crap on the U.S. Army, consider the fact that they were DRAFTED to go over there. Yeah, some people probably chose to (and that's when you see cocky soldiers on youtube or wherever you stream virals from), but a majority had no say in the matter.
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They are becoming the laughing stalk of the world.
Pull your army out of Iraq and go fight Russia. Oh that's right, Bush won't because he knows Russia's army is just as big, if not bigger and better. The only reason they evaded Iraq is because they knew they're nothing but a bunch of towel heads with rusted AKs, and no real training whatsoever.
It's like the big cocky !@#$% who only fights wimps or drunks at parties, cuz they know they'll win.
Plus the US is loosing what little respect(and I do mean LITTLE) they had with the rest of the world because they won't back up someone in their alliance like they're supposed to.
So you talk all this !@#$%, and then:
EDIT: And of course I don't mean all of the troops and soldiers of the US army themselves, they're not the pussies. I mean the leaders and people telling them what to do.
How about have your president or whatever you guys have up there ship you to a foreign country because you happen to be 18, and not in college. Then have some AMERICAN call you a !@#$% because you're fighting for something you don't believe in. You don't think Americans want to pull out of Iraq? You should check polls before you go making topics like this generalizing MY country's army as "Pussies". You could have simply stated that our president is an idiot, and probably EVERY American here would agree, but before you go talking crap on the U.S. Army, consider the fact that they were DRAFTED to go over there. Yeah, some people probably chose to (and that's when you see cocky soldiers on youtube or wherever you stream virals from), but a majority had no say in the matter.
Canada doesn't draft, or force us to war. It's our choice.
And you're being waaayy to !@#$% defensive. How could you clearly read what I said,(that it's not the soldiers themselves, but the people controlling them) then !@#$%
go on about how I'm dissing the soldiers, and American people? Do the American people control the troops? Uhh, no.
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Well in theory its a civilian controlled military force as the government is not run by the military and representational democracy is kind of the people controlling government - thus ultimately the people control the troops, it is just a slippery slope in some ways. If the Congress had any gravitas they would have ended the war, but lingering Republicans halt progress to that end. It is a legitimate concern that getting out too soon may hinder the total achieved progress in Iraq, but since Iraq generally wants us out, objecting to that would not make any sense.
I really do not understand the use of offensive military force as a means of preempting terrorist attacks. In today's modern world it makes more sense to have a good defense and only use offense on a clear, fool-proof objective.
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Well in theory its a civilian controlled military force as the government is not run by the military and representational democracy is kind of the people controlling government - thus ultimately the people control the troops, it is just a slippery slope in some ways. If the Congress had any gravitas they would have ended the war, but lingering Republicans halt progress to that end. It is a legitimate concern that getting out too soon may hinder the total achieved progress in Iraq, but since Iraq generally wants us out, objecting to that would not make any sense.
I really do not understand the use of offensive military force as a means of preempting terrorist attacks. In today's modern world it makes more sense to have a good defense and only use offense on a clear, fool-proof objective.
Your statements would all make sense if everything wasn't run by scheming corrupt assholes, but it is. So there's a factor you forgot to consider.
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Yeah, when emphasizing the words "in theory", the following statements should be interpreted as how things should be if they were not corrupted. The thing about power is that those who deserve it are always passed over for the people who think they deserve it; people get to the top and think that they can do whatever they want and do things that they do not have knowledge over. In some ways I am happy that Bush at least relies on the commanders on the ground because if he were in direct lead all the time he would mess up badly, but he is not as assertive as he should be; which is good because if he were the world would be worse, being a lame duck in a tub of nitroglycerin isn't so bad. Sometimes it also seems like he is trying to be Lincoln, and he is no Lincoln - Bush's life has no struggle in it.
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ITT: Talking crap about America, assuming what they want (there is no confirmation OR proof that America just wants oil and power, when we can easily start drilling over here if we want oil but people keeps saying no), and stating the obvious about our world reputation.
You're not saying anything new.
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actually, there is a province in Georgia that is trying to separate from Georgia, and the rebels in those places are peaceful but the government of Georgia stop them by killing them, that pissed off Russia since I think that most of the people in that province are mostly russians.So they are just defending big deal, USA has entered many useless wars, like Vietnam war which they lost, and Irak war which they are about to loss.
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Chippermonkey, oil is power. The United States does not necessarily need the oil, but it wants the oil; it also does not want a lot of others to have access to that oil. No country wants to be weak at all. The humanitarian reasons for being there have all been debunked or made into hypocrisies with how some of our allies impose the same restrictions on liberties that are being fought for. I will say though that the United States presence there has not made us that safer, but it has at least made our enemies states instead of lose terrorists - there are also terrorists who go state-sponsored and are then more visible.
Kren, I do not know the whole story, but there are going to be motives on both sides. Killing doesn't give the right to kill back though if that can be avoided. Civilian deaths are avoidable.
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Chippermonkey, oil is power. The United States does not necessarily need the oil, but it wants the oil; it also does not want a lot of others to have access to that oil. No country wants to be weak at all. The humanitarian reasons for being there have all been debunked or made into hypocrisies with how some of our allies impose the same restrictions on liberties that are being fought for. I will say though that the United States presence there has not made us that safer, but it has at least made our enemies states instead of lose terrorists - there are also terrorists who go state-sponsored and are then more visible.
Kren, I do not know the whole story, but there are going to be motives on both sides. Killing doesn't give the right to kill back though if that can be avoided. Civilian deaths are avoidable.
Yes, I understand that, but Georgia did killed innocent people, same for russian I know it is not justified, but still I don't think Russia will stop until they get what they want (which I am not so sure, I though the NATO was something that this province wants and not georgia <.<) IMO we should jsut ignore it, there was not a new world war by USA invading Irak and they will not be a new world war by Russia invading Georgia with better reasons. USA is not a !@#$% they just don't find a good reason to enter in this war..
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My god Drew, you might be one of the most cynical, bitter, and jaded people I've ever met. Seriously.
EDIT: By the way, you're preaching to the choir anyway...no one really likes Bush :P
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If this was posted on 4chan /b/ there would have been an absolute shitstorm that would take up over 10 pages on here. You should try that and report your findings.
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Chippermonkey, oil is power. The United States does not necessarily need the oil, but it wants the oil; it also does not want a lot of others to have access to that oil. No country wants to be weak at all. The humanitarian reasons for being there have all been debunked or made into hypocrisies with how some of our allies impose the same restrictions on liberties that are being fought for. I will say though that the United States presence there has not made us that safer, but it has at least made our enemies states instead of lose terrorists - there are also terrorists who go state-sponsored and are then more visible.
Of course oil is power, but that doesn't mean that's what we're over there for.
You get a job because you need money, but not everyone works at a job for the money. Some work at a job because they actually enjoy it. The money is just a bonus.
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My god Drew, you might be one of the most cynical, bitter, and jaded people I've ever met. Seriously.
EDIT: By the way, you're preaching to the choir anyway...no one really likes Bush :P
Uhh, you seem to have me confused with THE WORLD.
Just because I make the world sound cynical, evil, and jaded(which it is), doesn't mean I am. Although I do sound bitter doing it.
Just stating facts.
btw, US is apparently holding big meetings now, and have stating "Russia will be punished for their actions."
BRB WW3
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No, you are bitter. You are cynical. You are paranoid. You are a pessimist. You're just going to respond with more hard-edged, angry "LOL EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HELL XDXDXD" !@#$% because for some reason, taking an angry attitude about everything makes you feel like a big !@#$% man.
Yes, the world has problems. Yes, the country I live in has mistakes. But you're not going to change a goddamn thing if you keep blabbering on like Thomas !@#$% Hobbes about how everything is going to be destroyed in a haze of evil human nature. The cancer killing the world isn't Russia, it's not materialism, it's not big government, it's not corporate expansion. It's people like you. And it makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach.
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No, you are bitter. You are cynical. You are paranoid. You are a pessimist. You're just going to respond with more hard-edged, angry "LOL EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HELL XDXDXD" !@#$% because for some reason, taking an angry attitude about everything makes you feel like a big !@#$% man.
Yes, the world has problems. Yes, the country I live in has mistakes. But you're not going to change a goddamn thing if you keep blabbering on like Thomas !@#$% Hobbes about how everything is going to be destroyed in a haze of evil human nature. The cancer killing the world isn't Russia, it's not materialism, it's not big government, it's not corporate expansion. It's people like you. And it makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach.
People like me are destroying the world...? haha... haha.
Yea, I'm totally some CEO billionaire running a huge oil company. I'm totally a member of the corrupt government. Yea, I'm totally some huge drug dealing criminal ring in Korea.
You admit the same !@#$% I do, except I take a more pissed off approach, cuz it pisses me off. Yet you're like "Yeah the world's !@#$%, but it's perfectly fine. la de da de doo."
It's people like YOU who just sit through all this !@#$% and don't even care about making change or admitting who's in the wrong. You're ignorant and live in your own little world.
If you honestly think the government takes "the people's" best interests to heart, or that huge companies running marketplaces give a !@#$% about the consumers and less about making money, you're the biggest fuckin idiot in the world. Go ahead, flame me and attack me, you're only proving my point if you're actually blind enough to sit here and defend your stupid views on the world.
Get out more, take a trip around the world, see how "slaves" with feces crusted to their hands make your packaged foods in China and Korea. See how waste and byproducts are dumped into random market products to save companies money on disposal fees.
See how criminal governments run !@#$% in Africa. Take a look at how the monetary gap between rich and poor has increased drastically over the past 50 years.
Do all of that and THEN tell me your views on the world. Don't fuckin sit all comfy in your little suburban home and tell me the world's perfect. !@#$%.
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No, you are bitter. You are cynical. You are paranoid. You are a pessimist. You're just going to respond with more hard-edged, angry "LOL EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HELL XDXDXD" Awesomeness because for some reason, taking an angry attitude about everything makes you feel like a big !@#$% man.
Yes, the world has problems. Yes, the country I live in has mistakes. But you're not going to change a goddamn thing if you keep blabbering on like Thomas !@#$% Hobbes about how everything is going to be destroyed in a haze of evil human nature. The cancer killing the world isn't Russia, it's not materialism, it's not big government, it's not corporate expansion. It's people like you. And it makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach.
Bravo.
I must say that it is damn hilarious when people jump on the "big government is controlling wars for oil, bush is an idiot, secret conspiracy blah blah blah" crap. Perhaps the government invaded the middle east as revenge and hasn't had the guts to admit they were wrong going there in the first place.
The United States has problems, the poor/rich difference, military problems, etc. But so does Canada. So does Great Britain. So does Japan. Every country (except...Norway?) lives in glass houses, yet finds it trendy to bash the U.S.
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I might take you a little more seriously Dantz if you stop injecting the word "!@#$%" and other swear words into points you are making when you are angry; or when you are angry telling someone that they are angry. Your analysis is correct that the problems of all mankind are born from the individual, but the group dynamic of human communal relations is there to either ignore, approve of, or deny the individual.
The interesting thing about humanity is that the only positive things that come on a large scale happen to arise from the worst occurrences and often the best intentions lead to more suffering; e.g. Israel, refuge for the Jews after World War II, in a sense causing the rise of terrorism over the loss of Palestine. I happen to be of the mindset that society can either make the individual "evil" or continue their trek towards "good"; where the individual fails or succeeds, either blaming themselves for their faults or taking grievance towards society inclines their direction. I do not think that the bad things that people do to survive if necessary makes them evil either; i.e. stealing bread to eat.
The whole Russia-Georgia thing can be avoided if those involved are willing to go forward rather than mire in past disputes and will also proceed if people can be level-headed. Sometimes you have to point out the fire before someone knows to put it out though, so being negative is not always a bad thing. Anyway, meh, being opinionated is cool.
Edit: Oh, and the last post of Drewdelz has a lot of good points in it. Nice write-up.
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War is bad. Child labor is bad. Deforestation is bad. But do large governments and corporations care? No. All this !@#$% that goes on shouldn't. But does anyone with power care? No, because at the end of the day they get a big !@#$% paycheck and go to their big !@#$% houses, not caring about anyone else, whether they be dead or dying. As long as they have their money, they couldn't be happier. To quote a Papa Roach song, it's too bad the world is based on greed. Or to quote a Linkin Park song, when the rich wage war its the poor who die.
Also, is there a debates board still? Because I think this should be moved there if there is.
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No, you are bitter. You are cynical. You are paranoid. You are a pessimist. You're just going to respond with more hard-edged, angry "LOL EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HELL XDXDXD" !@#$% because for some reason, taking an angry attitude about everything makes you feel like a big !@#$% man.
Yes, the world has problems. Yes, the country I live in has mistakes. But you're not going to change a goddamn thing if you keep blabbering on like Thomas !@#$% Hobbes about how everything is going to be destroyed in a haze of evil human nature. The cancer killing the world isn't Russia, it's not materialism, it's not big government, it's not corporate expansion. It's people like you. And it makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach.
People like me are destroying the world...? haha... haha.
Yea, I'm totally some CEO billionaire running a huge oil company. I'm totally a member of the corrupt government.
You admit the same !@#$% I do, except I take a more pissed off approach, cuz it pisses me off. Yet you're like "Yeah the world's !@#$%, but it's perfectly fine. la de da de doo."
It's people like YOU who just sit through all this !@#$% and don't even care about making change or admitting who's in the wrong. You're ignorant and live in your own little world.
If you honestly think the government takes "the people's" best interests to heart, or that huge companies running marketplaces give a !@#$% about the consumers and less about making money, you're the biggest fuckin idiot in the world. Go ahead, flame me and attack me, you're only proving my point if you're actually blind enough to sit here and defend your stupid views on the world.
Get out more, take a trip around the world, see how "slaves" with feces crusted to their hands make your packaged foods in China and Korea. See how waste and byproducts are dumped into random market products to save companies money on disposal fees.
See how criminal governments run !@#$% in Africa. Take a look at how the monetary gap between rich and poor has increased drastically over the past 50 years.
Do all of that and THEN tell me your views on the world. Don't fuckin sit all comfy in your little suburban home and tell me the world's perfect. !@#$%.
Look, I don't agree with the way things go. I have very little faith in my government, I honestly have a pretty negative view of the human race, I do not approve of corporations and their dominance over the economy, and despise social classes as an institution. I don't live some sheltered life in the middle of suburbia with tons of money, a nice car, a perfect family and plenty of money to do whatever I want with. I'm a real person too.
What gets me angry is when you take the approach that everything is impossible to fix. That kind of attitude, and the fact that millions of people around the world have it, only makes the problem exponentially worse. Constant negativity just for the sake of being negative doesn't make you sound informed, it makes you sound like an internet tough guy (ironically enough.) Your attitude doesn't seem to come out of an educated viewpoint; rather, it's like a really bad hardcore metal song: screaming, clanging, and blaring noise with no direction, purpose, or meaning other than to express pure and virulent rage.
Also, do you know how ignorant it makes you sound to call my views blind? Do you think I'm uneducated despite being literate, a high-school graduate, and a college student? Do you somehow hold the view that all Americans are ignorant tards simply because we have a moron for a president? Is that what you're saying right now? You call me ignorant and uninformed, and yet you assume I live the American !@#$% dream? The American dream belongs to the top 2% that our administration makes tax cuts for, not hard-working people like me and the family I DO have that are simply trying to do something with whatever life we've got.
tl;dr: I'm glad you hate the world, but you're not fixing it by simply listing problems and no solutions.
EDIT: To everyone, I apologize for losing my cool, I've had a bit of a rough day. I'm not setting a very good example as an administrator right now. My apologies.
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Moved to Debates due to debating.
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Thank you Pyro, for noticing my post. If that's what caused you to move it... Still, everyone does bad things, as much as they do good things. Everyone makes mistakes as much as they do what they planned correctly. There is good and bad in everyone. How it manifests and which manifests more determines the person.
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No, you are bitter. You are cynical. You are paranoid. You are a pessimist. You're just going to respond with more hard-edged, angry "LOL EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HELL XDXDXD" !@#$% because for some reason, taking an angry attitude about everything makes you feel like a big !@#$% man.
Yes, the world has problems. Yes, the country I live in has mistakes. But you're not going to change a goddamn thing if you keep blabbering on like Thomas !@#$% Hobbes about how everything is going to be destroyed in a haze of evil human nature. The cancer killing the world isn't Russia, it's not materialism, it's not big government, it's not corporate expansion. It's people like you. And it makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach.
People like me are destroying the world...? haha... haha.
Yea, I'm totally some CEO billionaire running a huge oil company. I'm totally a member of the corrupt government.
You admit the same !@#$% I do, except I take a more pissed off approach, cuz it pisses me off. Yet you're like "Yeah the world's !@#$%, but it's perfectly fine. la de da de doo."
It's people like YOU who just sit through all this !@#$% and don't even care about making change or admitting who's in the wrong. You're ignorant and live in your own little world.
If you honestly think the government takes "the people's" best interests to heart, or that huge companies running marketplaces give a !@#$% about the consumers and less about making money, you're the biggest fuckin idiot in the world. Go ahead, flame me and attack me, you're only proving my point if you're actually blind enough to sit here and defend your stupid views on the world.
Get out more, take a trip around the world, see how "slaves" with feces crusted to their hands make your packaged foods in China and Korea. See how waste and byproducts are dumped into random market products to save companies money on disposal fees.
See how criminal governments run !@#$% in Africa. Take a look at how the monetary gap between rich and poor has increased drastically over the past 50 years.
Do all of that and THEN tell me your views on the world. Don't fuckin sit all comfy in your little suburban home and tell me the world's perfect. !@#$%.
Look, I don't agree with the way things go. I have very little faith in my government, I honestly have a pretty negative view of the human race, I do not approve of corporations and their dominance over the economy, and despise social classes as an institution. I don't live some sheltered life in the middle of suburbia with tons of money, a nice car, a perfect family and plenty of money to do whatever I want with. I'm a real person too.
What gets me angry is when you take the approach that everything is impossible to fix. That kind of attitude, and the fact that millions of people around the world have it, only makes the problem exponentially worse. Constant negativity just for the sake of being negative doesn't make you sound informed, it makes you sound like an internet tough guy (ironically enough.) Your attitude doesn't seem to come out of an educated viewpoint; rather, it's like a really bad hardcore metal song: screaming, clanging, and blaring noise with no direction, purpose, or meaning other than to express pure and virulent rage.
Also, do you know how ignorant it makes you sound to call my views blind? Do you think I'm uneducated despite being literate, a high-school graduate, and a college student? Do you somehow hold the view that all Americans are ignorant tards simply because we have a moron for a president? Is that what you're saying right now? You call me ignorant and uninformed, and yet you assume I live the American !@#$% dream? The American dream belongs to the top 2% that our administration makes tax cuts for, not hard-working people like me and the family I DO have that are simply trying to do something with whatever life we've got.
tl;dr: I'm glad you hate the world, but you're not fixing it by simply listing problems and no solutions.
I dunno why you keep bringing up the fact that you're an American, considering I never mentioned it once. Pretty !@#$% defensive over something I never even called you out on. o_O
I never once mentioned America or how it's worse than say, Canada.
You do know America isn't the only Country with a government, right? D: When I say "the government", I mean all governments. I didn't say "The American government." And I never said you were "an uninformed American".
Sooo, yeah, really don't know how to continue debating about something when your response makes no sense.
But also, I'm not talking about these things negatively in the sense that "nothing can ever be done.", it's more like "something NEEDS to be done, so get off your asses and see the world for what it really is".
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No, you are bitter. You are cynical. You are paranoid. You are a pessimist. You're just going to respond with more hard-edged, angry "LOL EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HELL XDXDXD" !@#$% because for some reason, taking an angry attitude about everything makes you feel like a big !@#$% man.
Yes, the world has problems. Yes, the country I live in has mistakes. But you're not going to change a goddamn thing if you keep blabbering on like Thomas !@#$% Hobbes about how everything is going to be destroyed in a haze of evil human nature. The cancer killing the world isn't Russia, it's not materialism, it's not big government, it's not corporate expansion. It's people like you. And it makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach.
People like me are destroying the world...? haha... haha.
Yea, I'm totally some CEO billionaire running a huge oil company. I'm totally a member of the corrupt government.
You admit the same !@#$% I do, except I take a more pissed off approach, cuz it pisses me off. Yet you're like "Yeah the world's !@#$%, but it's perfectly fine. la de da de doo."
It's people like YOU who just sit through all this !@#$% and don't even care about making change or admitting who's in the wrong. You're ignorant and live in your own little world.
If you honestly think the government takes "the people's" best interests to heart, or that huge companies running marketplaces give a !@#$% about the consumers and less about making money, you're the biggest fuckin idiot in the world. Go ahead, flame me and attack me, you're only proving my point if you're actually blind enough to sit here and defend your stupid views on the world.
Get out more, take a trip around the world, see how "slaves" with feces crusted to their hands make your packaged foods in China and Korea. See how waste and byproducts are dumped into random market products to save companies money on disposal fees.
See how criminal governments run !@#$% in Africa. Take a look at how the monetary gap between rich and poor has increased drastically over the past 50 years.
Do all of that and THEN tell me your views on the world. Don't fuckin sit all comfy in your little suburban home and tell me the world's perfect. !@#$%.
Look, I don't agree with the way things go. I have very little faith in my government, I honestly have a pretty negative view of the human race, I do not approve of corporations and their dominance over the economy, and despise social classes as an institution. I don't live some sheltered life in the middle of suburbia with tons of money, a nice car, a perfect family and plenty of money to do whatever I want with. I'm a real person too.
What gets me angry is when you take the approach that everything is impossible to fix. That kind of attitude, and the fact that millions of people around the world have it, only makes the problem exponentially worse. Constant negativity just for the sake of being negative doesn't make you sound informed, it makes you sound like an internet tough guy (ironically enough.) Your attitude doesn't seem to come out of an educated viewpoint; rather, it's like a really bad hardcore metal song: screaming, clanging, and blaring noise with no direction, purpose, or meaning other than to express pure and virulent rage.
Also, do you know how ignorant it makes you sound to call my views blind? Do you think I'm uneducated despite being literate, a high-school graduate, and a college student? Do you somehow hold the view that all Americans are ignorant tards simply because we have a moron for a president? Is that what you're saying right now? You call me ignorant and uninformed, and yet you assume I live the American !@#$% dream? The American dream belongs to the top 2% that our administration makes tax cuts for, not hard-working people like me and the family I DO have that are simply trying to do something with whatever life we've got.
tl;dr: I'm glad you hate the world, but you're not fixing it by simply listing problems and no solutions.
I dunno why you keep bringing up the fact that you're an American, considering I never mentioned it once. Pretty !@#$% defensive over something I never even called you out on. o_O
I never once mentioned America or how it's worse than say, Canada.
You do know America isn't the only Country with a government, right? D: When I say "the government", I mean all governments. I didn't say "The American governments." And I never said you were "an uninformed American".
Sooo, yeah, really don't know how to continue debating about something when your response makes no sense.
But also, I'm not talking about these things negatively in the sense that "nothing can ever be done.", it's more like "something NEEDS to be done, so get off your asses and see the world for what it really is".
Well, you did mention the US army in the first post, and you also said I lived in a "comfy suburban home..." Just saying.
Look, I've had a hell of a day. My bad man. I'm just going to get the !@#$% out of here.
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I see the world for what it is. Its full of morons in power who don't see the true repercussions of their actions and decisions. And by "in power" I don't mean governments. I mean anyone in power of anything.
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I see the world for what it is. Its full of morons in power who don't see the true repercussions of their actions and decisions. And by "in power" I don't mean governments. I mean anyone in power of anything.
They see the repercussions, they just don't give a !@#$%.
All they want is more money, no matter what the costs to our health and well-being.
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Hence how in my first post, I mentioned the line from the Papa Roach song. It's too bad the world is based on greed. All they care about is they paycheck at the end of the day; !@#$% everyone else.
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Yeah, we are such pussies.
Could it ever occur to you to see a bigger picture?
Russia needs Georgia for a couple of things:
1. If they had become apart of NATO, missile silos would soon get placed there. Russia would be a little more than threatened by that aspect.
2. It leads them to Israel. Israel is a very militaristic geographic position. You have a meeting of pretty much three continents there. Russia has wanted Israel for a very long time.
Oh and this about ,"The US wants oil!"
Okay, then why the !@#$% am I paying $4 for oil when they, by your statement, just captured a bunch?
Seriously, the rest of the world acts like America is out to get them.
So, we screwed up. When other countries screw up, no one keeps being hateful at them.
You know how many times the USA has saved your all's asses?
Seriously, over the course of more than 200 years, think how often USA intervened?
Hmm...Let me just use one example, World War II.
You know what, if America's "!@#$%" army hadn't saved Europe's ass, you all in Europe would be speaking German and saluting images of Hitler. (LOL Japan just HAD to bomb a harbor..)
So, one mistake by one man, condemns the USA forever?
If so, then I truly think this world is full of !@#$% and has no hope.
I also MOCK anyone who thinks removing a man from office will make things either better or change, at least immediately.
!@#$%, if we have such a bad army and a poor leader, then let's just leave every country we have troops in and let you guys fend for yourselves. Oh, and by the way, while we are at it, we'll cut all funding to every country we lend money to. We'll stop buying your products.
We'll completely close up our borders and leave the world alone to itself. I guess the world we be better off without the USA, right?
Everyone blames the USA for bad things that happen yet the world still relies to heavily upon us.
Maybe that's why we are hated. lol
just a rant and some thought...XD
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Okay, then why the !@#$% am I paying $4 for oil when they, by your statement, just captured a bunch?
Because America !@#$% the system up, making things not run as smoothly there now. That's why.
Incase you didn't know, oil companies are making RECORD profits now. They're still paying the same amounts in order for them to get oil, yet they charge us more.
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~Will it only get worse before it gets better?
Also if we were seriously trying to crush Iraq we could of already bombed them off the map, but instead we're trying to reform them or something and set up new government thingies.
Also Russia is mean :( Georgia is like Pennsylvania compared to three United States
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Okay, then why the !@#$% am I paying $4 for oil when they, by your statement, just captured a bunch?
Because America !@#$% the system up, making things not run as smoothly there now. That's why.
Incase you didn't know, oil companies are making RECORD profits now. They're still paying the same amounts in order for them to get oil, yet they charge us more.
Uh, duh, that's because no one !@#$% regulates OPEC...Am I the only one here who can see the forest for the trees?
No one has placed regulations on the prices of oil.
Why does South America have nations with 12cent oil? Because they don't get their oil from the megacorporations like everyone else.
So you are saying that the USA government should step in and say,"This is !@#$%! For the next five years, gas prices are going to be stuck at $3.50 per gallon."
They did that once...long time ago I believe. OPEC has too much power and is not really an America organization. So if we told them to lower prices, they'd just tell us to !@#$% off.
Iraq is not the entire stockpile of oil in the world. We here in the US have enough oil for ourselves for the next few centuries. But damn environmentalists and OPEC prevent us from dirlling which would lower gas prices and OMFG bring jobs back to the USA.
Hell, just about 75% of the oil that comes from the Alaskan pipeline goes to other countries besides the USA... okay, wtf with that?
lol
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/me doesn't think Drewdelz quite understands that if we leave Iraq, Iran will have control over their resources... which means $10 a gallon for oil...
/me also is very offended by this thread as most of his cousins are in the army.
/me also thinks instead of saying the "US army are pussies", it'd be better to at least realize that the military takes orders, so it's not really fair to call them pussies at all.
/me leaves this thread as it lacks any credibility or intelligent discussion :(
/me still loves you Drewdelz :(
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/me doesn't think Drewdelz quite understands that if we leave Iraq, Iran will have control over their resources... which means $10 a gallon for oil...
/me also is very offended by this thread as most of his cousins are in the army.
/me also thinks instead of saying the "US army are pussies", it'd be better to at least realize that the military takes orders, so it's not really fair to call them pussies at all.
/me leaves this thread as it lacks any credibility or intelligent discussion :(
^this
oh and that reminds me.
If a country offends or pisses off the USA, we are supposed to just ignore it.
But if the USA pisses someone off, OMG it's the end of the world.
We should immediately crucify the President and condemn ourselves...great logic the world has about the USA.
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^ this, all over this topic.
Oh, why would it be smart for the U.S. to start a whole nuclear war again?
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Anyone continuing to complain about the title of the topic should look to the edit on the first post which corrects and clarifies everything.
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Canada doesn't draft, or force us to war. It's our choice.
And you're being waaayy to !@#$% defensive. How could you clearly read what I said,(that it's not the soldiers themselves, but the people controlling them) then !@#$%
go on about how I'm dissing the soldiers, and American people? Do the American people control the troops? Uhh, no.
Because you clearly edited in the "It's the commander, not the soldiers." later... And I only said American people because that's what America's troops are... PEOPLE.
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Anyone continuing to complain about the title of the topic should look to the edit on the first post which corrects and clarifies everything.
Yeah, the title is moreso to draw people in. >_> But I guess some people just read the title and reply. lmao
Because you clearly edited in the "It's the commander, not the soldiers." later... And I only said American people because that's what America's troops are... PEOPLE.
Uhh, look at time of my edit, and your first post.
My edit was way before you post... >_>
Hell, just about 75% of the oil that comes from the Alaskan pipeline goes to other countries besides the USA... okay, wtf with that?
I know, it's !@#$% stupid. Canada sells 90% of it's oil for cheap as !@#$%, then buys oil from other countries for tripple the price that we're selling our own. WTF?
(example, not accurate pricing)
- Canada sells it's own oil overseas for $1.50 per gallon.
- Canada buys oil from countries overseas for $4.50 per gallon.
Why not just !@#$% keep your own oil and save the money? WTF.
You shouldn't have to sell your products to other countries just to keep "peaceful trades" going.
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Hell, just about 75% of the oil that comes from the Alaskan pipeline goes to other countries besides the USA... okay, wtf with that?
I know, it's !@#$% stupid. Canada sells 90% of it's oil for cheap as !@#$%, then buys oil from other countries for tripple the price that we're selling our own. WTF?
(example, not accurate pricing)
- Canada sells it's own oil overseas for $1.50 per gallon.
- Canada buys oil from countries overseas for $4.50 per gallon.
Why not just !@#$% keep your own oil and save the money? WTF.
You shouldn't have to sell your products to other countries just to keep "peaceful trades" going.
Didn't you complain earlier about the desolate state of the world? I think it's selfish for us to hoard oil, but I do get what you're saying about exporting and the outrageous costs.
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^ this, all over this topic.
Oh, why would it be smart for the U.S. to start a whole nuclear war again?
I hope you're being sarcastic, because the US isn't looking to start a nuclear war at all.
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^ this, all over this topic.
Oh, why would it be smart for the U.S. to start a whole nuclear war again?
I hope you're being sarcastic, because the US isn't looking to start a nuclear war at all.
Well we're not...but if we're not careful we might D:
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Russia's now saying they'll have all of their troops out by Friday... I doubt it, tho.
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Yes, I was being sarcastic.
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I think the Hoarding of Oil was what started World War Three in the Fallout series of video games. Just saying.
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Blah blah blah.
The United States is not the only country with military forces in Iraq.
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You know what would be great? If we just stopped using "invade them lol" as an answer to things.
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If any !@#$% starts nuclear I will be very pissed off. Bollocks to wearing that CBRN kit just to fight. Gets to !@#$% hot. :(