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General => Other Discussion => Boards => Archive => Debates => Topic started by: Moon_child on June 04, 2008, 09:20:52 am
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You hear nobody crying when we a game is filled with white people that you can kill by shooting, blowing them up etc, but if the game features black people people start calling it a racist game.
Opinions?
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People are idiots.
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LOL
Resident Evil is made by !@#$% JAPAN.
People who complain here in the States and abroad about racism in RE5, HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH THEIR TIME EXCEPT LOOK LIKE ASSHOLES WHO HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN COMPLAIN.
lol
"You are shooting black guys....game must be racist."
Wow, what real !@#$% intelligent logic there.
So, it's okay for Carl and gang(San Andreas) to go around and do whatever the hell they want and portray the blacks as gettho mutha fuckas who are all punks and thugs.
Where is the racism there? It's reverse racism but it's still racism.
H_B, it just boils down to people who will never stop complaining that they are "oppressed".
I say we just take 'em all out back and give 'em all a whippin'...lol
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Giving attention to the people who call racism on every bit of entertainment released simply serves to further what they want (attention and a grasp at !@#$% something up)
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There are white people in RE5
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By that logic, RE4 should be considered racist since the enemies are mostly Spanish.
Seriously, people are idiots. Don't let them tell you otherwise.
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Why the !@#$% does it matter its a game, the last one made fun of people from Spain (Spaniards I guess), previous ones made fun of white people. Now its GOTTA be racist because its black people. You do know that Africa is actually filled with tons of white people. It is still predominately black in most villages.
What I really hate is when something involves a black person how some of them automatically assume it is because they are black. Like everything has to revolve around the color of their skin, when its actually just because they act like plain dumb asses and give a bad name to their race.
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Why the !@#$% does it matter its a game, the last one made fun of people from Spain (Spaniards I guess), previous ones made fun of white people. Now its GOTTA be racist because its black people. You do know that Africa is actually filled with tons of white people. It is still predominately black in most villages.
What I really hate is when something involves a black person how some of them automatically assume it is because they are black. Like everything has to revolve around the color of their skin, when its actually just because they act like plain dumb asses and give a bad name to their race.
What I really hate is when white people complain about black people complaining. They act like plain dumb asses and give a bad name to our race.
NOTE: I'm not saying that RE5 is racist at all, but I can certainly understand why one might think so. You are some whitey who goes into a village of exclusively black people, and you kill them ALL.
Also: consider history before you spout things out. Just fifty years ago black people couldn't even go to the same schools as white people (in the US). Those people are still alive: Just because you choose to ignore race does not mean that issues of race are gone. Racism IS an issue, and our (american) past defines the present. Also note: We haven't had major race issues with the Spanish-- why would anybody associate that with race? There are constant issues about race surrounding white vs. black, it's completely logical to associate this game with that, conciously or unconciously.
In RE5, every enemy we have seen so far is black. They aren't human, they're portrayed as animals that have to be put down-- and keep in mind these are impoverished people. It's basically: Well armed perfectly toned white man killing thousands of poor black people, acting like they are not human.
You guys see how it could be racist, but you white people love to pretend that racism doesn't exist. People are going to be offended by this, whether it was intentional or not, so just get over it. Stop being ignorant little complainers and shut your mouths for a minute.
EDIT: And again, to clarify: I don't think RE5 is racist. But it's easily interpretable that way, that's all I'm saying.
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I hate how people jump to assumptions like this. If the aim was to kill them BECAUSE they were black, then they'd have a point. People who complain are making matters worse by focusing on the fact that theyre black, instead of just thinking of them as people.
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I hate how people jump to assumptions like this. If the aim was to kill them BECAUSE they were black, then they'd have a point. People who complain are making matters worse by focusing on the fact that theyre black, instead of just thinking of them as people.
Pretty much this. Really, in a video game, it doesn't matter what race a character is. If my reticle turns red when they cross in front of it, they have to die.
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Here is a video about it. Made by Game Overthinker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw8DkSmJDOg
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That's so damn stupid. The game takes place in Africa, duh there will be Black people in the game. What's even more stupid is that the Black people whining about the game are American, whereas the actual Black people in the game are Africans and are completely unrelated to the Blacks in America (besides ancestry).
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Where is the racism there? It's reverse racism but it's still racism.
I'm gonna say this once and thats it.
RACISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS
The word was not made for them, the word is not about them, the word has nothing to do with White people hating them or anybody else for that matter.
Racism, by its simplest definition, is discrimination based on racial group.
It doesn't say "Racism is when people hate on black people"
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The worst racists are those who see racism in EVERYTHING.
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The one time I make a long post, nobody replies or counters it :(
That's so damn stupid. The game takes place in Africa, duh there will be Black people in the game. What's even more stupid is that the Black people whining about the game are American, whereas the actual Black people in the game are Africans and are completely unrelated to the Blacks in America (besides ancestry).
How is focusing on race bad? They ARE black, there is no reason to ignore that. They also ARE being discriminated against by a white guy, whether or not it has anything to do with race. Because of US history and the constant racial struggles of white vs. black, what is illogical about seeing a race issue in this game? It's very blatantly white guy vs. black people in the videos, so the mind can easily associate that with white vs. black.
And there is not a single person in the entire world who can see somebody and think "person" instead of "black person" or "white person." There is nothing wrong with seeing and accepting race. Trying to ignore it isn't going to make anything better.
The worst racists are those who see racism in EVERYTHING.
How exactly does seeing racism make you racist? Explain your logic please.
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Why is it only racism if the protagonist is white...?
It's kinda funny, really. You kill plenty of white people in GTA SA, but wheres the racism controversy with that?
Also, limey, the point TRM is trying to make is that most people typically see beyond race, but its people who try to push the issue and make it out to be a racist ploy perpetuate the notion of racism in the first place.
I personally didn't pay any attention to the race of the zombies/infected/whatever they are until I saw THIS particular thread. Funny how that works, eh? It's people who exploit something as racist (when it is NOT) that cause an issue most typically.
Also, apparently video games can only take place in white nations if the protagonist is white. ~ALL OTHER ETHNIC AREAS ARE OFF LIMITS GAME DEVELOPERS, OK? HINDER YOUR CREATIVITY FOR THE SAKE OF RACE ACCEPTANCE EVEN IF YOUR CREATIONS INTENT ISN'T TO DEFAME ANOTHER RACE~
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Also, limey, the point TRM is trying to make is that most people typically see beyond race, but its people who try to push the issue and make it out to be a racist ploy perpetuate the notion of racism in the first place.
He hit the nail on the head.
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When you play a game like RE5- you don't see race, you see a bunch of freaks trying to kill you. If a Chinese guy jumped out of nowhere with his jaw all !@#$% up like theirs, trying to rip your face off, you wouldn't really stop to consider his skin colour, since he's not a person anyway. He's not even real.
And it's funny how there's no giant sexism debates about games.
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When you play a game like RE5- you don't see race, you see a bunch of freaks trying to kill you. If a Chinese guy jumped out of nowhere with his jaw all !@#$% up like theirs, trying to rip your face off, you wouldn't really stop to consider his skin colour, since he's not a person anyway. He's not even real.
Uh... I don't. When I see the RE5 trailer, I see a white guy killing a !@#$%-ton of black people. What does that mean?
Not everybody sees things the same way as you guys, and they aren't racist for having a different view.
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When you play a game like RE5- you don't see race, you see a bunch of freaks trying to kill you. If a Chinese guy jumped out of nowhere with his jaw all !@#$% up like theirs, trying to rip your face off, you wouldn't really stop to consider his skin colour, since he's not a person anyway. He's not even real.
Uh... I don't. When I see the RE5 trailer, I see a white guy killing a !@#$%-ton of black people. What does that mean?
<_< It means you look for that sort of thing when you view trailers. That right there is exactly the point TRM and myself have made o.o The developers didn't intend for it to be racist, but people who look at it and nitpick based on the color of peoples skin turn it into some zealous racism war o.o
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When you play a game like RE5- you don't see race, you see a bunch of freaks trying to kill you. If a Chinese guy jumped out of nowhere with his jaw all !@#$% up like theirs, trying to rip your face off, you wouldn't really stop to consider his skin colour, since he's not a person anyway. He's not even real.
Uh... I don't. When I see the RE5 trailer, I see a white guy killing a !@#$%-ton of black people. What does that mean?
<_< It means you look for that sort of thing when you view trailers. That right there is exactly the point TRM and myself have made o.o The developers didn't intend for it to be racist, but people who look at it and nitpick based on the color of peoples skin turn it into some zealous racism war o.o
So you are arguing that I'm perpetuating racism? Or that I am a racist?
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Not that you are a racist, but that people who view things like that and make an assumption that it IS racist based on the color of the protagonist and the antagonist's skin. (funny thing is, the antagonist isn't even the locals, it's a parasite)
You yourself said that you do not feel RE5 is racist; so I'm not saying YOU are perpetuating it, I'm saying people who see trailers and make a big deal of that stuff based on the color of the characters skins are racist. They may be complaining about the racism, but they're being counterproductive.
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Alright. My point is, there is a middle ground. There is absolutely nothing wrong with noticing race-- if you are pretending race and/or racism doesn't exist, you aren't helping a problem, you are ignoring it. There IS racism, and there ARE racial tensions in the world, and personally I feel that we should be concious and aware of it. However, jumping to conclusions doesn't help anything either. There are people who did assume that this game was racist, and I don't think it is-- but I can see why somebody who wasn't properly informed might see the game as racist.
(and thats all the posting I can do for now, gonna to take a shower lol)
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Ah well that makes sense :P
(I'm not being sarcastic >_<)
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Back from my shower, I was just thinking about it, so I might as well post it:
Many white people often like to say that they "look at everybody equally" or that "everyone is a person, that's all I see!", or that "Black and white people are the same, we're all people!", but I would disagree. You can't ignore race because race is there, and there ARE differences between white and black people. We aren't all equal people. Black people are more likely to be born into poverty. The national salary of black people is lower than white people. Race is there, and it's an issue, and there are differences based on race. Just because you look at people the same does not mean that they are the same. White people and black people are born into different circumstances, and on the whole, it is worse for black people. //endrant (by the way I was speaking about the United States)
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This has turned into a debate about racism in America now, and not about Racism in a VIDEO GAME...
I think we are ALL a little racist for some stupid reason... but YES blacks get away with it a lot more than whites... take comedy for example, if you took what a black comedian said and replace him with a white guy, we'd have a race WAR on our hands.
Why are comedians like Carlos Mencia so popular, because he places race as the central part of his comedy and brings out in the open what most people think to show them how ridiculous stereotypes are.
Sorry, racism will ALWAYS exists... it's not ever going to go away, people will fight over the stupidest things and it doesn't help that we have TRAILER-TRASH, HILLBILLY, REDNECK, KKK, MORONS in the United States that make it bad for any civilized NORMAL white person (like myself).
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I don't understand how a game set in Africa is considered racist when you have to shoot blacks... I think it would be a bit racist to never go to Africa because you are afraid to have to shoot a black or replace all the blacks with whites. I think it'll be interesting to play a game set in Africa, simply because it's almost never done... at least in the games I play. No, the enemy is always Russia in my games... that and enemies who take the arms of a deceased brother in which the arm takes control of said person....(MGS4 tonight when I get home from work!)
But yeah, I don't here anyone saying... Leave dem Russians alone! Or... poor Hitler... always getting his ass kicked in a virtual world. RE5 would be racists only if they embraced and over used stereotypes of a culture... an African village is hardly a stereotype, it's a fact. And as far as shooting black people... I don't care if you're Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, or Green... you have that !@#$% growing' out your head or come at me zombiefied... its on.
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As the old saying goes (for video games)... kill em' all, let God sort em' out!
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Uh... I don't. When I see the RE5 trailer, I see a white guy killing a !@#$%-ton of black people. What does that mean?
It means that you're trying too hard to find something controversial, and think that you've stumbled on to something because a polygon model with a white skin texture is firing imaginary rounds at another polygon model with a black skin texture. There is no controversy to be found, you're just getting bent out of shape over trivial !@#$% that carries no weight in the real world.
As the old saying goes (for video games)... kill em' all, let God sort em' out!
I thought that was a military phrase from way back when...
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Uh... I don't. When I see the RE5 trailer, I see a white guy killing a !@#$%-ton of black people. What does that mean?
It means that you're trying too hard to find something controversial, and think that you've stumbled on to something because a polygon model with a white skin texture is firing imaginary rounds at another polygon model with a black skin texture. There is no controversy to be found, you're just getting bent out of shape over trivial !@#$% that carries no weight in the real world.
You know, you're totally missing the point here. Limey doesn't think the game is racist, and if you would have read more carefully you would have seen that. Look, RE5 is not racist, I think anyone who knows anything about the series or its developerrs can agree on that. The point is, it can be easily seen as racist by someone who is not familiar with the series. Does that mean it should change? Hell no. But when you see a white guy shooting hordes of black people with almost no context, then it's not wrong to expect something.
Even if it's obviously wrong, try to see things from the viewpoint of other people.
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But when you see a white guy shooting hordes of black people with almost no context, then it's not wrong to expect something.
They're trying to kill him. That's reason enough to shoot anybody.
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But when you see a white guy shooting hordes of black people with almost no context, then it's not wrong to expect something.
They're trying to kill him. That's reason enough to shoot anybody.
Yeah, and from the offended's point of view, there is an explanation for why they're doing it: because the game would supposedly portray them as savage, uncivilized creatures rather than human beings.
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But when you see a white guy shooting hordes of black people with almost no context, then it's not wrong to expect something.
They're trying to kill him. That's reason enough to shoot anybody.
Yeah, and from the offended's point of view, there is an explanation for why they're doing it: because the game would supposedly portray them as savage, uncivilized creatures rather than human beings.
Things like that make me wonder if those people would survive the zombie apocalypse. Though, really, the whole thing about the trailer and the game is that it is meant for people who have played the others, and know that those aren't people you're shooting, but instead they are zombies. However, someone who has never played these games could easily see it as racist, especially with no background information on the games.
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Uh... I don't. When I see the RE5 trailer, I see a white guy killing a !@#$%-ton of black people. What does that mean?
It means that you're trying too hard to find something controversial, and think that you've stumbled on to something because a polygon model with a white skin texture is firing imaginary rounds at another polygon model with a black skin texture. There is no controversy to be found, you're just getting bent out of shape over trivial !@#$% that carries no weight in the real world.
I'm saying that I see white and black. Not that I see any problem there-- you're the one who (obviously ignored the rest of my post otherwise you would know this) assumes that I see a problem or see racism there. I see RACE, that doesn't mean I see racism.
Knivu got it right, I'm trying to say why it would be easy for a non RE-gamer to see racism here: Any idiot can see the race, and an RE-uninformed person would assume that race meant racism.
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I think Resident Evil 5 is a bit racist. On the surface, anyway. I mean, think about it. You're a black guy with guns shooting hordes of black people without guns. If you don't call that racist, you're really just be a bit too patriotic in terms of the gaming community. Which is nice of you, don't think for a second that it isn't.
But, I guess people need to look into it before they criticise. These are zombies, not people. It's an action game, not a recount or some other deranged dream of a psychopath bent on ridding the world of black people.
I think anyone who criticises RE5 for being racist isn't wrong for the most part, but needs to really think of the harm of what such a game will do, or how much it will offend. Which isn't much at all, because the intention behind shooting the black guys isn't because they're black. It's because they're trying to kill you.
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ugh but theres a HUGE difference between being blatantly racist and having your antagonists be a specific color. People need to look past the color of peoples skin and look at the intent behind it; and the intent is not to defame an entire race.
Look; heres an example.
(http://www.ps3informer.com/playstation-3/images/re5-screenshot-1.jpg)
^Not racist.
If you want that to be racist, see attachments.
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It's funny how you're all ignoring that there are white enemies in the game.
Like Wesker for instance, a white guy who's highly intelligent, owns a multibillion dollar corporation, has superpowers, and doesn't die.
alongside the blacks which happen to be poverty stricken unintelligent zombies in this game, carrying torches and pitchforks.
no negative stereotypes.
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It's funny how you're all ignoring that there are white enemies in the game.
Like Wesker for instance, a white guy who's highly intelligent, owns a multibillion dollar corporation, has superpowers, and doesn't die.
alongside the blacks which happen to be poverty stricken unintelligent zombies in this game, carrying torches and pitchforks.
no negative stereotypes.
Hmm yes, someone who's played a role in umbrella and the t-virus and stuff cant have a strain that makes him more intelligent, so it makes it racist when HE has abilities from his self-induced mutations and the unsuspecting villagers have a crappy strain of virus/parasite/whatever. Zombies in RE1 were retarded and mindless too, but guess what; most of them were white! :p
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I find it very amusing that people are crying racist about a game set in Africa.
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Maybe it's because the "shooter" character of the game is of the opposite race of those being shot? None of the previous RE games had a black man shooting white people.
I think any racism accusations are retarded myself, but I think this may be the reason for it.
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Also, think if you were in this scenario:
10-15 zombie individuals are approaching you. Each of them is wielding a shovel, axe or another such blunt weapon aimed at your demise. Each of them happens to be black. Just before the first few reach a few feet of nearby distance to you, you drop your guns and proudly say, "I'm sorry. I can't defend myself: that would be racist."
o.O
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Like some members said before, RE5 is a game set in Africa. They're loads of white people in Africa, but mostly black people. I guess it's NORMAL to kill black people if the game takes place in their country, isn't it? Stop complaining, seriously. If you were Chris Redfield, I'm wondering if you'd give a !@#$% about racism. ::)
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I think that's what CE there was saying. In a matter of life or death, stupid things like that aren't applicable. When faced with zombies, it doesn't matter what ethnicity they are, it only matters that you kill them before they kill you. Chris doesn't care because he needs to kill them before they kill him.
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I wasn't paying much attention to read everyones post.
RE5, the main character is Chris Redfield, I think.
He goes to the village, finding something I guess, then he walks into a house, see's some black man, being turned into a flesh eating ZOMBIE, and the last time I checked, Zombie's weren't part of the African American race.
And in the situation, i'd be like, "Oh crap! I have to get out of here!"
If this game was Racist, it wouldn't be a Zombie, it'd be black people walking around, and you get gun, and start shooting them.
Honestly, how can people overlook the most important detail of the game, THEY ARE FRICKEN ZOMBIES, NOT HUMAN, THEY HAVE NO RACE.
I've found some artical on the internet about RE5, that a black women, said this game is attended for "Young Kids, and that they'll grow up, thinking it's okay to kill Black People"
(BottomLine)
...Dear god, if you find this game "Racist" you are a stoopid person to believe so...
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Honestly, how can people overlook the most important detail of the game, THEY ARE FRICKEN ZOMBIES, NOT HUMAN, THEY HAVE NO RACE.
Just because they are Zombies, doesn't mean they aren't people too. Way to be a jerk.
Seriously though, just because they are zombies doesn't mean they don't have a race. A black zombie is a black zombie. A white zombie is a white zombie.
I'm not saying this game is racist, etc.
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Honestly, how can people overlook the most important detail of the game, THEY ARE FRICKEN ZOMBIES, NOT HUMAN, THEY HAVE NO RACE.
Just because they are Zombies, doesn't mean they aren't people too. Way to be a jerk.
A Jerk? We're talking about Zombies, who EAT you, if your going to say someone's a jerk, say it to the Zombies who try to eat you alive, strangle you with tonges, decaptiate you with Claws, and so on. (Zombie/Licker/Hunter) And dogs that try to tear you limb from limb.
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Honestly, how can people overlook the most important detail of the game, THEY ARE FRICKEN ZOMBIES, NOT HUMAN, THEY HAVE NO RACE.
Just because they are Zombies, doesn't mean they aren't people too. Way to be a jerk.
A Jerk? We're talking about Zombies, who EAT you, if your going to say someone's a jerk, say it to the Zombies who try to eat you alive, strangle you with tonges, decaptiate you with Claws, and so on. (Zombie/Licker/Hunter) And dogs that try to tear you limb from limb.
He was joking.
Also, <_< I cant believe this thread is still getting posts...
Didnt it go all uh... defunct after there was that screenshot with a white zombie in it?
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There was a white zombie O_____o?
In AFRICA?
Nonsense.
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There was a white zombie O_____o?
In AFRICA?
Nonsense.
You racist.
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South Africa is full of crackers
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But seriously, where was this screenshot?
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Dunno someone pointed it out to me on MSN and I cant remember the link lol