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Title: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 10, 2006, 03:23:00 pm
I am 3D modelling a lesser demon, this is what I have so far.

After completeing the first arm, I thought I'd experiment with the extra detail (which will be done full once the not so detail parts are finished) and came up with this,

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon1.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon2.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon3.jpg)

This is what he looks like so far without the extra detail (and has the extra arm)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon4.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: Uppy on August 10, 2006, 03:34:37 pm
nice torso! can't wait to see the finished model
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: aab on August 10, 2006, 03:44:28 pm
A Lesser Demon? Looks from here like you are going for a Greater Demon (Though i suppose A Keeper Of Secrets would have breasts).

That 'extra detail' does make a big difference.
The model looks a bit too much still, like the basic primitives; Maybe make the body more rounded to eliminate the boxyness left in, make the ribs rise towards the centre, and give it some clavicals.
Also, be careful to watch the way the deltoid joins onto the torso; You have plenty of space to work on it and make it pull onto the shoulder in a triangle shape. (Be sure to study some references of flesh and muscle).
The arm is quite massive in relation to the body (and it will of course, get difficult to work with when the multiple arms are added on); The torso could be bigger.
Of course, you could have planned to deal with half these things or even all of them, but i'm not skimping on advice.
What is it you are making exactly (any particular thing i can look at) ?
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 10, 2006, 04:22:48 pm
Thanks for all the comments.

Aab- Thanks for the advice, the boxyness is a habit I have when starting a model, once all the surround parts are done I usually fix it there, I haven't kept so good to the referance with the torso, but I can still fix that with out adding extra polygons. I like that kind of advice, I don't get that kind very often, thanks.

As for the greater demon vs lesser demon, this is based on one of Blizzard's lesser demons, presumably from one of their D&D games.

Here is the referance I am using (As a base, I probaly will go off into my own orginality with it)
(http://www.blizzard-art.com/img/cai/Lesser%20Demon.jpg)

Also, I just realised I did the rather careless thing of putting it into Zelda graphic artists rather than Misc, if mods are able to move it into the right board, I would be greatful. The only way for the demon to be in a Zelda game if I cut down on the polygon count (which is do able) and put it into mine ;)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: 2awesome4apossum on August 10, 2006, 05:20:05 pm
Wow!  This is looking great!  So I'm guessing that this is probably only going to be for your use?  I'd give you critisisms, but I think aab knows what he's talking about best. ;p
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 10, 2006, 05:52:53 pm
I haven't paid too much attention to aab's criticism's in this update, but I like a complete mesh before doing any real tweaking.

Thanks for the comment possom.

I'm nearly there, I'm gonna play with the detail a bit more with the displacement maps (I'm relatively new at using displacement maps in 3D modelling, so its good to play with them at these what if you like 'breaks') and then continue onto the heads and hand.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon5.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 10, 2006, 07:02:36 pm
Now with extra detail and ambient occulsion rendering...I think I'm gonna call it a night. I may carry this on tomorrow, if not, it'll be after my holiday.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon6.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: Uppy on August 10, 2006, 07:37:28 pm
animating this guy'll be a huge pain in the backside, he looks awsome though.
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 10, 2006, 07:44:35 pm
lol thanks. Good thing is, his render pose is a good pose for rigging, although it looks a pain to animate, but its good enough to practice for reliable animation skills, like getting the muscles to expand and contract.
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: .Imyge on August 10, 2006, 10:21:59 pm
I really like this piece.  Its looking pretty good.  I suggest that you make his chest wider, and maybe the arms a tad smaller, they look too big, if you kept the muscle tone and just made his arms a little more compact that would look better IMO.  I can't wait to see more progrees on this.
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 10, 2006, 10:58:54 pm
Thanks, I will make the chest bigger, I will make his left front arm smaller, I got carried away with that part a bit.
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: TomPel on August 11, 2006, 08:26:45 am
Looks awesome so far! Keep it up ^_^
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 11, 2006, 01:41:40 pm
Thanks;

a little update, his body has been edited a bit and he now has a head.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon7.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon8.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon9.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: King Tetiro on August 11, 2006, 01:43:13 pm
100000000000000000000/10! Love it all the way!
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 11, 2006, 01:55:33 pm
Thank you very much dude
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: Uppy on August 11, 2006, 02:21:54 pm
I think his head needs to be bigger looking awsome though
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 11, 2006, 03:16:49 pm
Thanks I'll work on that, here is an update, apologies, hands are my biggest weakness in 3D modelling, but he is nearly there ;)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon10.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon11.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemon12.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: MG-Zero on August 11, 2006, 03:36:26 pm
reminds me of my rpg maker days ^_^  good work, what program did you use?
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 11, 2006, 04:01:15 pm
Thanks, I used Hexagon 2,

http://www.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=4222&cat=272 (http://www.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=4222&cat=272)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: cb43569 on August 11, 2006, 06:03:32 pm
Woo, 1337ness.
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: Moon_child on August 11, 2006, 09:26:05 pm
Looks neat!
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 11, 2006, 09:56:06 pm
Hey thanks for the comments. So those who have seen it, do you think I should increase the realism of my Link model so I can include bosses like this one into my Zelda game (I'd have to optimise this model a bit) But if I get my sword code working, I can image having a boss like this one. (The high detailed version would be included in FMV's)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 11, 2006, 10:04:00 pm
A dog? That is a strange thing to remind you of, while doing it, it reminded me of the pokemon Machamp (I feel like a wee kid again just knowing his name). But a dog? You're a loony, but then, when you look at the face, there is the resemblance ;)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: ???Azkridth??? on August 12, 2006, 07:46:02 am
Wow, that's a neat job seppuku! I guess there can be reasons for the arms to stay like that, gives it the scary strong-type look that brings fear to the one who will face it *in the perspective of the hero character, in this case Link  :D*.
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: InvaderLupus on August 12, 2006, 07:28:53 pm
great job! It's like what would happen if Shiva and Anubis mated.
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: Mewgull on August 12, 2006, 08:34:36 pm
lol, he has no crotch!
unless its a girl >_> XD
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: uma on August 13, 2006, 01:25:10 am
lol, he has no crotch!
unless its a girl >_> XD

Pervert!
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: Mewgull on August 13, 2006, 01:52:58 am
lol, he has no crotch!
unless its a girl >_> XD

Pervert!

 :P

[To mod: I know, blah-blah "Put more word into your posts" whatever...  ;D]
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 19, 2006, 03:30:31 pm
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lol, he has no crotch!
unless its a girl >_> XD

lol you wouldn't be the first to say that, and pretty much thats the reaction people get when modelling naked demons, lets just say his 'crotch' is detachable for arguments sake, a strap on because some cruel guy who thought it would be funny to slay him cut it off, but never lived to tell the tail. ::)

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Wow, that's a neat job seppuku! I guess there can be reasons for the arms to stay like that, gives it the scary strong-type look that brings fear to the one who will face it *in the perspective of the hero character, in this case Link

Thanks, the real reason I put him into that position, yes to look more scary, but because I didn't fancy straightening him out to rig him, the good thing about that pose, is its his realistic pose and it won't cause any problems if I try to rig him from there ;)

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Demons' can't have sex

Well...depends what kind of sites you look at  ::) The nerd at school I know watches an anime show with his girlfriend that has a demon orgy...perverted fool ;)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 20, 2006, 01:28:35 pm
Texture test:

I wasn#t really in the mood for editing the model itself, so I decided to experiment with textures for the moment. The ugly white bits are due to rushed UVMapping, the final texture, will (or should) not have them. As a crap 2D artist, I am happy with the result.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/texturetest1.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/texturetest2.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: Mewgull on August 21, 2006, 01:31:54 pm
truly amazing!
now for the main characters Textures ;)
I think you should change your characters textures... if you are that good at making textures, or useing the ones that are given to you, I think this would be a snap.
(*also, try yo extract the textures from OoT...*)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: Riisnæs on August 21, 2006, 03:32:49 pm
Awesome seppuku!  ;D
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 21, 2006, 05:53:29 pm
thanks for the replies, I've extracted the textures from OOT anyway. I'm not such a good texture artist, but what gets dones works, I think I'll use alread made images and use photoshop to make them work on the model.
However, I've just started a Work in Progress on 3D competition where the prize is Bodypaint 3D 2.6, which is a very good 3D painting tool, it will allow you to paint directly onto the model with out UVMapping and has tonnes of tools, I have tried the demo and it is really cool, which will mean good textures are easy, I tent to refer to it as the photoshop for the 3D world. But of course I have to win first ;) I've almost won on these things 8 competitions a go when they gave away gentica 2 (A professional texture generator) but my computer went schizo and I couldn't finish, I mean I really loved what I was going for, Sephiroth beheading pikachu. I had the blood effect and everything ready, all I needed to do was finish pikachu and pose Sephiroth. (Kicks PC)

Minus the rambling, this is proberly my last update until I have confident progress on my competition work in progress.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemondisplay.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemondisplay2.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemondisplay3.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/seppuku05/lesserdemondisplay4.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: Beavercanoe on August 22, 2006, 07:33:48 pm
Wow, Mehrunes Dagon reminder....


100 outa 10, dude. Very nice job :D
Title: Re: 3D model - Lesser Demon
Post by: seppuku on August 22, 2006, 10:52:07 pm
thank you very much

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