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« on: August 17, 2006, 06:00:46 pm »
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My dad's friend worked on the legislation (I even have a copy of the draft... fun stuff ^_^), and so he brought me home a T-shirt about it, which provides the address to the web site for it:

http://www.cp80.org/

Orin Hatch will be cosponsoring the bill.  The reason that this bill's so ingenious, is that it actually INCREASES freedom, instead of diminishes it.  We have freedom of speech, and freedom from it.

The only reason someone would be against this bill is if they were a child predator (that said, I posted it here, to see if I could put anyone on my hit list), because it allows you to keep legal porn, it just wouldn't be avaliable on port 80, so the anonymnoty(sp?) is abolished, and law enforcement would be able to crack down on porn, piracy, etc., etc. much easier.  Not only that, but it would be the ultimate filter, because people could choose between different packages from their ISP, and if they only wanted port 80, then they could ensure that their child stays away from pornography (and any porn that did pop up would be cracked down on, and the server would get screwed by the FBI).

Or if you want the "adult content package" or "I'm a helpless addict that's better off being locked away for the benefit of society package" you can still have them.
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2006, 06:03:19 pm »
Aren't there enough programs and filters that can block off pornography?

Btw, http://www.cp80.org/pornography/index.html.
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The Harm Internet Pornography Can Cause

Whether the effects of softer forms of pornography are harmful is debatable; however, the effects of harder, more violent and more extreme forms of pornography have been proven to be harmful in study after study.

Viewing harder forms of pornography can result in:

    * Desire to view harder and more extreme forms of pornography
    * Increased aggression towards women
    * Deviant sexual appetites and behaviors
    * Addiction
    * Myths and misconceptions concerning human sexuality
    * Devaluation of monogamy and marriage
    * Divorce
    * Decreased desire to have children and families
    * Lost productivity
    * Loss of employment
    * Incarceration
    * And more.
They got any studies to back that up? Seriously, "decreased desire to have children and families"? "Loss of employment"?
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2006, 06:05:01 pm »
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Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 17, 2006, 06:03:19 pm
Aren't there enough programs and filters that can block off pornography?
Are you kidding me?  I still find stuff even with the best filter I've ever seen in my entire life.  This is an uber-filter, that still isn't perfect.

Again: I can't see why on earth one would be against this legislation.

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They got any studies to back that up? Seriously, "decreased desire to have children and families"? "Loss of employment"?
You're in the wrong thread to be debating that.  And yes they do, by the way.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2006, 06:08:53 pm »
Hmmm, meh. Don't see much need for this as a law. There's a lot of filters out there and if a child does happen to see porn, it's probably not accidental. Besides, parents should deal with this.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2006, 06:10:09 pm »
Hmm. It's helpful for dealing with internet pornography. I guess I'd support this, but who decides what's defined as porn? And what happens to those who "break" this law?
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2006, 06:10:47 pm »
Quote from: Pyru on August 17, 2006, 06:10:09 pm
Hmm. It's helpful for dealing with internet pornography. I guess I'd support this, but who decides what's defined as porn? And what happens to those who "break" this law?
They cut their penis off.  :o
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2006, 06:11:30 pm »
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Actually thats quite a good idea, the only problem being that there is no way of enforcing port control, due to the fact that ports operate on a client/server basis, and even if the ISP decided to block certain ones you could more than likly get round it with a proxy or another method of reroutement.

The thing is though there are already plenty of programs for doing this, (there is even a special domain (.xxx) which will be released soon, specifically for porn), so this is more or less pointless. The resposibility ultimitly falls to the person to use the internet resposibly.

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They cut their penis off. 
What if its a woman? >.>
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2006, 06:14:05 pm »
Quote from: Helios on August 17, 2006, 06:11:30 pm
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They cut their penis off. 
What if its a woman? >.>
They paste a penis on.  :o


Seriously, though. I find a need for an official legistlation like that a bit silly. More responsible internet use, better parenting on child's activities on the internet and as Helios mentioned, that .xxx domain name are good measures against the exposure of porn to children.
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2006, 06:15:21 pm »
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Quote from: Gilgamesh on August 17, 2006, 06:08:53 pm
Hmmm, meh. Don't see much need for this as a law. There's a lot of filters out there and if a child does happen to see porn, it's probably not accidental. Besides, parents should deal with this.
So... you think it's wrong to say that unsafe materials shouldn't be out there for the general public to just view?  How on earth can you think this?  If you want the "helpless addict" package, it'll still be avaliable.  You just have the option to only have access to port 80.  Cool, no?

(And check out their backup stats and materials... a lot of reading: probably above the "quick click" effort you'd like to put into it, but it's all there if you need it.)

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And what happens to those who "break" this law?
The servers who hosted the material, and the perpatrators would be shut down and prosecuted.  Simple.

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I guess I'd support this, but who decides what's defined as porn?
It'd be "explicit" content.  Meaning nudity, etc.

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Actually thats quite a good idea, the only problem being that there is no way of enforcing port control, due to the fact that ports operate on a client/server basis, and even if the ISP decided to block certain ones you could more than likly get round it with a proxy or another method of reroutement.
It's not at all like that.  Number one: port 80 is the most common port used.  I think you're confusing ports with IP addresses?

And it wouldn't be blocking ports, it'd only be allowing access to certain ones.  Let's say that other countries don't want in on the legislation: you could even block sites based in other countries.

Cool, no?

This is the best legislation I've heard in years for... anything.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2006, 06:21:22 pm »
Hmmm... Taken from this http://www.cp80.org/web-docs/Impact-of-Pornography.pdf
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Table 1. The Number of Studies and Sample Sizes for Each Outcome
Examined in the Meta-Analysis
Outcome Total          # of Studies Total       # of Participants
Sexual Deviancy       11                             4,450
Sexual Perpetration   34                             3,760
Intimate Relations     9                               2,170
Rape Myth                10                             1,943
Pretty damn low percentages.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2006, 06:24:10 pm »
Quote from: 2awesome4apossum on August 17, 2006, 06:15:21 pm
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I guess I'd support this, but who decides what's defined as porn?
It'd be "explicit" content.  Meaning nudity, etc.

So what about a lot of classical artwork featuring nudity? What about biology/anatomy websites?
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2006, 06:26:45 pm »
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It's not at all like that.  Number one: port 80 is the most common port used.  I think you're confusing ports with IP addresses?
No, sorry I probably explained myself wrong.

Put it this way every packet of data that gets sent to a client computer from a content server contains a port number, when it reaches
the client computer it gets redirected to any sockets listening to that port. What an ISP will do to block ports
is to discard any packets that go through its server with a specific port number. What i was saying is that
a simple website proxy could easily take the data that comes in on the porn port and then send it to the
clients computer on the normal html port, thus bypassing the system.

Its a good idea non the less as it would stop children who don't even know what a proxy is from accessing it the sites.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2006, 06:29:17 pm »
http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html
Number of rapists and crime actually declined a lot since the 1960's and 70's compared to 1999. Wait. Didn't the Internet between that time? Whatever be of it, I do not believe pornography on the Internet has suddenly caused rape to jump skyhigh. It's decreasing. For some reason, I doubt that blocking all porn on the Net will cause rape percentages to decrease much.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2006, 07:51:26 pm »
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Whatever happened to responsible parenting...?

The bill is a good idea in practice, but I'm just not sure about it for some reason. Gut feeling, you could call it.
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well i dont have that system and it is very hard to care about everything when you are single

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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2006, 08:26:32 pm »
Sorry, but I don't want to end up paying extra (if they do something like this where only port 80 is allowed in a standard package you better believe costs will go up) just because people think pornography is a problem.
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2006, 08:42:00 pm »
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maybe i dont udnerstand this but:
do they even know what they're on about?
port 80? http?
what about all the other ports everything else uses, like port 23 for emails, 21 for telnet etc as well as all the ports online games use?
and if child porn is illegal in the first place, what difference would that make to the people that watch and even make it?
:S
i dont get how this is going to be successful at all

edit: ok, maybe this isnt on about the same ports that the internet uses, but newly made "channels" which makes sense and i guess would work, but whats to stop people putting it on the safe familly channel in the first places?
this is going to require these sort of people that distribute the porn to do what they're wanted to do (put it on the right adult channel) but i dont relaly see that happening. and tight butthole, how would a child come across porn unless he tried looking for it?
and how will this stop illegal stuff? :S

lol ok another edit: so if they show illegal whatever, the fbi will hunt them down? well why isnt that the case now then? well it is isnt it? yet i dont see it being too affective, so how will this make a difference in that sector?

so surely, this is just another filter like the many that exist today?
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2006, 11:06:49 pm »
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Quote from: tippz on August 17, 2006, 08:26:32 pm
Sorry, but I don't want to end up paying extra (if they do something like this where only port 80 is allowed in a standard package you better believe costs will go up) just because people think pornography is a problem.
And who says you'd be paying extra?  Certainly if the ISP wanted to charge extra then you'd be, but currently you're paying for access to all ports.
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2006, 11:15:36 pm »
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Ok, i'm confused and not really understanding this.

Is this to stop porn from being online or trying to stop people from viewing porn.

Please explain better
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2006, 11:16:46 pm »
Does this mean that in the near future my house might not get access to the entire internet?

What if, for example, there was a site which had some pornographic content but wasn't a porn site, would the whole site be blocked?

This thing sucks.
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2006, 11:18:31 pm »
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It does what cable did to tv, internet style.  Meaning you'd have your public "channels" (or *port* in this instance), and then the optional, adult ports, etc.

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What if, for example, there was a site which had some pornographic content but wasn't a porn site, would the whole site be blocked?
No, it would be located on a port that you may or may not have access to, depending on what your parents choose to do with their ISP.
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