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General => Other Discussion => Boards => Archive => Debates => Topic started by: Swoftu on September 01, 2008, 05:17:36 pm
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/09/01/2008-09-01_john_mccain_running_mate_sarah_palin_say.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/09/01/2008-09-01_john_mccain_running_mate_sarah_palin_say.html)
Discuss.
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Since when is Teenage Americans getting pregnant a new thing? Or worth caring about?
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Since when is Teenage Americans getting pregnant a new thing? Or worth caring about?
QFT
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Sorry guys, couldn't help it.
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This is totally like "The Secret Life of an American Teenager". I hate how McCain campaign officials are trying to make it look like it was those close to cakefarts who spread the rumors about Bristol being the real mother of Trig. I bet if Sarah Palin wasn't an overly religious, right-wing person though who educated her daughter about birth control that this wouldn't have happened - but really, her mom telling her not to !@#$% around when her mom has five kids is just setting a bad example.
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Yet another teenage mother, this is new and exciting news.
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Yeah I agree with pretty much everyone else in this topic.
It's nothing new and they had better not make a big deal out of this just because she might be the vice president.
Nobody cares about this news, it's not new.
Someone should tell her !@#$% or GTFO my news.
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There goes McCain's Religious Right Wing vote....
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There goes McCain's Religious Right Wing vote....
Oddly religious right wingers are happy that the girl is not going to abort the baby and that she is getting married, so they could care less that she is underage. But yeah, ultimately this in itself is not going to get rid of many votes.
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I love the argument that "obviously a religious family who has a child who does something immoral is SO hypocritical!" But it's not a big deal when an ultra-liberal does this, because they're a democrat and don't believe in such a thing as immorality so at least they're not hypocritical when they're immoral.
I think it's sad she's pregnant, like every other teenage pregnancy out of wedlock.
There goes McCain's Religious Right Wing vote....
ROFL! Because of the potential VP's *daughter*? No one cares about this except the dems.
Yet another teenage mother, this is new and exciting news.
Not only a teenage mother, but a pregnant daughter of a public figure! This has never happened before!
I bet if Sarah Palin wasn't an overly religious, right-wing person though who educated her daughter about birth control that this wouldn't have happened - but really, her mom telling her not to !@#$% around when her mom has five kids is just setting a bad example.
There's a huge gap in your logic there... then again, your facebook does say "athiest"... so I suppose you can't be expected to understand something you don't care about.
I love religion. I love learning new and exciting things about them. Heck, I've even read the Qur'an. (No, not converting to Islam anytime soon.)
I'm not trying to be self-righteous, but I *am* trying to say: I like to be educated in the things I discuss. So of course, when you understand that a Christian woman believes in only having sex after marriage, with the one they are married to... there is no hypocracy in teaching your child to do the same.
So you're using an athiest's standard of logic and applying it to a Christian family. That doesn't work and is a fallacy in and of itself.
Oddly religious right wingers are happy that the girl is not going to abort the baby and that she is getting married, so they could care less that she is underage.
It's what we religious folks call "repentence". Fixing a mistake. Getting married and taking responsibility for what you've done.
Tell me... are you familiar with the Bible?
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My Facebook says "Atheist" so I suppose you cannot read or spell; just because I consider myself to be an atheist, that does not mean that I know nothing about religion or that you can act superior over me in your knowledge of such a thing. It isn't a stretch to say that either abstinence education failed or that the girl was acting irresponsible.
And from my standpoint, marriage for the sake of convenience as a means to correct a mistake is a little laughable - I only believe that people who love each other should be married. If she loves the guy, then I am alright with that, but at her age she might not know what love is anyway. "Moby DICK" have you read it?
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Quit it with the atheist bashing possum, it isn't easy points like you think.
If anyone were really impressed by bulls-eying easy targets I would've taken the fact you can't even spell it right to home base.
You know what I find the most immoral about this situation?
I just don't get why she has to keep the baby and get married, those are two huge decisions that should require years of decision and not used in an effort to clean up what is a stupid teenage mess.
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
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I find it quite pathetic you have to challenge my *spelling* to make me look bad.
And from my standpoint, marriage for the sake of convenience as a means to correct a mistake is a little laughable - I only believe that people who love each other should be married. If she loves the guy, then I am alright with that, but at her age she might not know what love is anyway.
Well, quite obviously there are situations in which one should not get married when they have been impregnated. It's a personal decision, clearly.
In Christianity, repentence is a subjective thing. Usually it involves making amends with the person(s) you have wronged, and doing your best never to do it again.
In example, say you have helped someone cheat on a school assignment quite a while ago. You know it was wrong and you should never had done it. Obviously you cannot really make ammends when it's so far in the past, so you just vow to never do it again, and settle the rest in a personal sort of way and do your best to never do anything like it again, and be a better person now and in the future.
Quit it with the atheist bashing possum, it isn't easy points like you think.
When did I bash atheists?
I just don't get why she has to keep the baby and get married, those are two huge decisions that should require years of decision and not used in an effort to clean up what is a stupid teenage mess.
The marriage is a personal thing, and if she was giving the kid up for adoption, I doubt conservatives would have a hard time, either.
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Who has she wronged?
God, her mother, or the republican party?
If this were a personal situation like you say, what repercussions would you expect if she got an abortion and didn't get married?
And don't act like you respect atheism, it's quite obvious you like to tout that you can understand atheism because it's below you, but obviously an atheist could never understand any sort of religion.
This isn't court, I don't care about which exact words you use, it's bright as day.
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Your spelling is not making you look bad as much as your insistence on arguing nuances for the sake of arguing makes you look stubborn. Besides, DICK Cheney's daughter ended up being a lesbian but he got used to it. As for the nine-page paper you are referring to on Kate Chopin that you let me use that one time, I am not happy that I resorted to doing that, but then again I cannot change it; if I remember right though, that happened around the time I was suspended from school for making death threats. I could have written the paper myself, it wasn't because I was lazy it was just that I was going through a lot then.
Now that I think about it though, religious right-wing sounds odd. No Hindus there, it;s more about monotheism.
As for Palin's daughter, I do not think that it should be a campaign issue, but it will have some effect, even if it is a little insignificant on those who will vote for the ticket.
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And don't act like you respect atheism, it's quite obvious you like to tout that you can understand atheism because it's below you, but obviously an atheist could never understand any sort of religion.
I didn't even imply that in the subtext! By saying that 4Sword didn't grasp a religious person's mind, I never said I knew what an atheist's logic would consist of. Just saying it wouldn't work when applied to a believer of Christianity. Athiests can understand religion if they explore them fully.
And I never acted like I respect atheism: because I don't. I respect atheists as individuals. But I don't respect their beliefs... just their freedom to have them (which is more than I can say of you, so let's just accept that while I might be "hypocritical", you're obviously doing nothing wrong, because you're not holding yourself to the same standard that I'm trying to hold... much like I mentioned earlier in this thread: that's crap).
If this were a personal situation like you say, what repercussions would you expect if she got an abortion and didn't get married?
None in America. Or if you're talking about the election, there might be one person who switches their vote (not exaggerating by much).
Who has she wronged?
God, her mother, or the republican party?
Respect for herself, the child inside her and her creator, sure... so I'd say possibly the first two on your list. Especially when she's still a dependent... (not 18)
Your spelling is not making you look bad as much as your insistence on arguing nuances for the sake of arguing makes you look stubborn.
What nuances are you reffering to?
Besides, DICK Cheney's daughter ended up being a lesbian but he got used to it.
That's fine.
As for the nine-page paper you are referring to on Kate Chopin that you let me use that one time, I am not happy that I resorted to doing that, but then again I cannot change it; if I remember right though, that happened around the time I was suspended from school for making death threats. I could have written the paper myself, it wasn't because I was lazy it was just that I was going through a lot then.
That doesn't make it right for me to have done it. You know? It was wrong, and could I do it over differently, I would. I *still* feel guilty about it, because I was dishonest. Forget my soul (and the whole religion aspect), it diminishes the person I *am*.
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I wouldn't think too much of it, you acted based on what you thought was right - and even if your action was wrong, you cannot do right all of the time. The more and more you will progress through life you will realize that your past actions were stupid, to which you will make the inference that you will look back on yourself again later with the same realization. And time moves forward so that you learn. In the end, intention is what matters in cases of moral deliberation, and then the measure of the action follows.
The problem that I have with aspects of Christianity is that there are those who think that it makes them good just to follow it and there are those who see others who follow it as inherently good. Bristol Palin's emendation is through the God she believes in, if that is how she believes. I can grasp a religious person's mind, I am tormented by personal demons.
Anyway, meh, my original points from all the way back in this topic were not meant to be that serious.
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I just have to say this, possum, because of a comment of yours about respecting Atheist 'beliefs': Atheism is the lack of a belief in any gods or divine powers. I've said it before and I'll say it again, absence of belief and belief in an absence are two separate things.
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I just have to say this, possum, because of a comment of yours about respecting Atheist 'beliefs': Atheism is the lack of a belief in any gods or divine powers. I've said it before and I'll say it again, absence of belief and belief in an absence are two separate things.
As far as I'm aware, that's not how society uses it. Someone who has a 'lack of belief' is called 'agnostic' (basically someone who probably *does* know, but they just want to act noncommital). Someone who has the audacity to say that there is no God, and that they know this for a fact is an 'atheist'.
Anyhow, even if we're looking at dictionary definitions... the only one coming from dictionary.com is:
"a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings."
Disbelief is a belief in and of itself.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist
"one who believes that there is no deity"
Again, the only definition.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
Noun 1. atheist - someone who denies the existence of god
disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever - someone who refuses to believe (as in a divinity)
Adj. 1. atheist - related to or characterized by or given to atheism; "atheist leanings"
atheistical, atheistic
Hmm...
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist
"a person who believes that there is no God"
It would help if people didn't try to "zing" me with spelling and definitions, and tried to make me look bad on the actual substance that I'm supposedly all wrong about.
The problem that I have with aspects of Christianity is that there are those who think that it makes them good just to follow it and there are those who see others who follow it as inherently good.
Sometimes the reason religious people follow things based on "faith", is because religion gives us guidelines where we won't have to learn by trial and error, but we base our own judgement on the trials and errors of others. Religion doesn't make one a good person. Someone doing something simply because of their religion isn't necessarily bad, but it doesn't necessarily do them good either. You know?
I don't see why the lack of understanding of others (people believing their good simply because they're religious... a hypocracy in and of itself), should scare you away from something, so many people have come to find is good.
But again, this is a personal decision.
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If Agnostic is lack of belief (aka, I do not believe in a god) and Atheist is (I believe they is no god) then when you listen to the majority of the major figures who are 'well known atheists', they must be Agnostic. To quote the awesome and strangely smexy 'psychological illusionist', Derren Brown (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20070930/ai_n21060652)
It's a nonsense to say that atheism is a belief in itself. However much its fiercest advocates might sometimes sound like the fundamentalists they rampage against, it's important to remember that non-belief is simply happening not to believe.
Actually, I say everyone goes out and buys his book "Tricks of the Mind", even if you don't care about the memory, magic and hypnosis/suggestibility sections, it is still an amazing read, and has some nice sections on how he stopped being Christian, and also about how to avoid 'bad thinking' and falling into 'the trap of superstition'.
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Well... your post completely disreguards me pulling out all those definitions from random sources (do you need more? I have yet to find any kind of "official" source that defines it as you do-- prominent Christians don't define what Christianity is, so I don't know why prominent atheists would define what atheism is). But whatever. It's not worth discussing anyway. I still don't respect athiesm, so paint me as whatever you'd like, people can form their own opinions about mine. ;)
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You're an atheist too you know, you just believe in one more god than I do. Anyway, most of the talk on the television seems to be getting away from Bristol Palin and back to covering the Republican convention, other storms going on, etc.
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You're an atheist too you know, you just believe in one more god than I do. Anyway, most of the talk on the television seems to be getting away from Bristol Palin and back to covering the Republican convention, other storms going on, etc.
Some of the definitions above refer to "God" (I can assume to mean what Christianity believes in), others "a god" or "supreme being(s)". Yes, Christianity differs from Buddhism, Islam and so forth, but in the end, we all believe in some kind of supreme being(s). Atheism denies this belief generally (with one exception in the above definitions that makes it specific to denying Christianity, in which case I *still* wouldn't be an atheist). At least, according to the definitions I pulled off the intarweb.
[EDIT] Gotta love technicalities... next my poor grammar is going to be attacked.
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You're an atheist too you know, you just believe in one more god than I do. Anyway, most of the talk on the television seems to be getting away from Bristol Palin and back to covering the Republican convention, other storms going on, etc.
I think that the republican convention was talking about hurricane Gustav for a while, but I guess they are getting back to other issues. I doubt that this "teen pregnancy" thing will do any harm to their agenda at all, in fact, it might bolster republicans (if anything) just because the girl is getting married and "doing the right thing".
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I love how everyone is taking shots at Possum's grammar when there are no real grammatical errors to take pot shots at. Come up with a better argument. Also, I love how religion has somehow been drug into an issue which really doesn't have anything to do with religion to begin with. Admittedly, that was Possum's error, but I suppose everyone can be at fault for beating the proverbial dead horse. Someone needs to write a guide to proper Internet Argument Etiquette because you all clearly need one.
Anyway, in the world of politics, anything that somehow blemishes the reputations of the imperfect candidates is fair game for the opposing party. Naturally, the fact that Palin's daughter is pregnant is the opportunity the Dems have been waiting for. Of course, if cakefarts had a daughter that was pregnant, the Republicans would be all over it as well, but as I said before, that's how politics work these days. Personally, I don't give a flying !@#$% if her daughter is pregnant, and no one else should either. Why? Because she is not her daughter. Palin isn't the one pregnant out of wedlock, so she shouldn't be bashed for it.
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I mentioned his grammar once only after he made a bad claim against me; it's like you missed all of what else I was saying.
Yes, let us all frame this as an attack on you, you are the one being persecuted. I only "attacked" your grammar because it highlighted your hypocrisy - claiming that I did not know about any other religion simply because I define myself as being an atheist, you probably would have criticize me if I misspelled Christianity because you thought I did not know anything about it. Everyone is born an atheist, and if I am wrong when I die and if it turns out that there is a god, his or her denial of me based on my earthly knowledge would make me sympathize with the devil. The devil probably does things because he knows that all Christians will do is sing, dance, and pray about it rather than do anything substantial; I bet he does it for shits and giggles.
Really, I couldn't walk up to anyone saying that a rock I was holding had magical powers; because that is supernatural. In logic, it is said that you cannot prove non-existence, but also that the burden of proof lies on those trying to prove something. With that last statement, one would wonder why I am an atheist if I could not prove that gods didn't exist - well even if they did, they wouldn't be having an impact on my life so they would be as good as gone and the Bible contradicts itself enough to make it unreasonable.
As for my quote, if you know so much to deny all other gods and just believe in one, what would you think if you were wrong and Ra or whoever was pissed at you. Wouldn't that be unfair?
As for the Republican Convention, I am just happy that Bush is speaking as his presence to the party reinvigorates my side.
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Possum, to use some of your quoted dictionaries we have to take into account the numerous ways to understand "disbelieves". Does it mean Does not belief, or believe in the absence? Language is a fickle !@#$% at best.
Besides, let's assume all the atheists here are really agnostic and simply do not believe in a god. why? Well, for me it's simply because I cannot, in my mind, separate religion from psychic powers, homoeopathy, astrology and mediums. How is a belief in psychic powers any different from a belief in God? The only real difference is the latter is more mainstream. That's it. Aren't they all guilty of falling into the same traps of cyclic logic and groundless presumptions?
I call it the superstition trap, a combination of:
Falsely attributing coincidence to actions (I can cite several famous bird experiments which, when altered for people, show the same results...a casino is really a giant example of this. How many gamblers have lucky pants? Or a lucky hat? Yet looking at the odds, in games of pure chance they perform the same wearing these supposedly lucky items as they do without them. At best all they get is a confidence boost from them. Prayers work in a similar way)
Cyclic logic
Unconsciously dismissing all contradicting evidence (People forget their unanswered prayers, or decide they must have been answered in a different way, and remember and amplify the hits)
Awaiting for a person to prove a negative when it should be on the claimer (i.e he claiming God exists) to prove the positive.
Several other factors.
Religion is just one big superstition.
Another good example is Ouija boards, through ideomotor sometimes the little glass 'cap' can overshoot the board and fly off the edge because someone or groups of someones unconsciously PUSH it off the edge. How easy is it for, after being remembered and retold so many times, this story to change from it going off the edge with people touching it to it flying off the edge, smashing into a wall without ever being touched? Surprisingly easy.
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I mentioned his grammar once only after he made a bad claim against me; it's like you missed all of what else I was saying.
Which wasn't much, admittedly.
Yes, let us all frame this as an attack on you, you are the one being persecuted. I only "attacked" your grammar because it highlighted your hypocrisy - claiming that I did not know about any other religion simply because I define myself as being an atheist, you probably would have criticize me if I misspelled Christianity because you thought I did not know anything about it.
Well, no. When I attack someone's intelligence, I don't do it by saying, "You spelled that wrong, you're obviously an idiot." I explain to them why I think they're an idiot... it's possible I'd use the spelling as an afterthought... but I've responded to everything you've said, and the main point seems to be trying to make me look stupid with stuff that really has nothing to do with our argument at all.
Everyone is born an atheist,
What about the "God gene"? (The one that scientists say makes one desire religion?) I haven't seen really enough evidence for it, but I wouldn't be surprised at all, if it actually *did* exist. Despite it being a pointless argument made by some atheists (not meaning to generalize here, since I have to phrase everything in a politically correct way).
and if I am wrong when I die and if it turns out that there is a god, his or her denial of me based on my earthly knowledge would make me sympathize with the devil. The devil probably does things because he knows that all Christians will do is sing, dance, and pray about it rather than do anything substantial; I bet he does it for shits and giggles.
At least my sect of Christianity believes God will put you where you're most comfortable. If you don't want to be with Him, he won't put you with Him. He'll let you be in a place with others like you. It's an interesting thought, I don't think you've considered before that I thought you might find interesting.
In logic, it is said that you cannot prove non-existence, but also that the burden of proof lies on those trying to prove something.
Religion doesn't have the burden of trying to make itself a scientific theory. Who cares if there's no disprovability?
The idea of evolution-- the reason it's not a scientific theory is because there is no standard of disprovability upon which it can be measured by. (Which is a standard it MUST have by defintion-- it's what makes it a theory.)
This is why the Pope doesn't use science, because it's *not* science. This is also why evolutionism seems more of a religion than science to me.
With that last statement, one would wonder why I am an atheist if I could not prove that gods didn't exist - well even if they did, they wouldn't be having an impact on my life so they would be as good as gone and the Bible contradicts itself enough to make it unreasonable.
The Bible that was written, translated and handed down for generations by... humans? The not-supernatural kind?
As for my quote, if you know so much to deny all other gods and just believe in one, what would you think if you were wrong and Ra or whoever was pissed at you. Wouldn't that be unfair?
I think so, but I don't believe in Ra. I believe in a God who wouldn't be missed off if you had geniune misinformation in your life.
As for the Republican Convention, I am just happy that Bush is speaking as his presence to the party reinvigorates my side.
You'll notice a major focus was put on differences between him and McCain. I don't think it was counterproductive by much. cakefarts's trying to frame him as just another Bushy, and the entire point of last night (and Lieberman's excellent speech) was that McCain is an independent man. Obviously the theme was that he "puts his country before party" and knows how bipartisanship works. I think that if geniune undecideds matter (although they're probably negligable), that this would have worked as a really strong argument in favor of McCain/Palin.
Language is a fickle !@#$% at best.
Well the exact defining of what atheism was, is your argument. Let me quote your first post (what I've been reacting to):
I just have to say this, possum, because of a comment of yours about respecting Atheist 'beliefs': Atheism is the lack of a belief in any gods or divine powers. I've said it before and I'll say it again, absence of belief and belief in an absence are two separate things.
Well, I don't respect the belief that there "is no God (or "a god" or "supreme being", etc.)".
As far as I can tell, that's what atheism is. But if it's a mere lack of belief, then whatever. It really doesn't matter to me.
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Since when is Teenage Americans getting pregnant a new thing? Or worth caring about?
Still QFT. Shut the !@#$% up already, its bad enough hearing this from Digg.
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You are acting like the whole point of my message was wrapped up in criticizing a spelling mistake and you are so hinged to that because you cannot otherwise make an argument. I used it as a hook and then stated why I went there - you were acting like I did not know anything about Christianity when you yourself only see Atheism as vacuous. You had to look up something on my Facebook in an attempt to downplay what I believe; even if you read the Koran, why should I believe you on anything it says just because you are dead set in your opinion that it is wrong anyway. You might think that this makes it so I cannot state anything about Christianity, but at least I never claim to be an authority on Christianity.
As for the rest of what you said, I am not going to comment because I am tired of this stupid argument. I'm going to go worship Satan now.
Oh, and I am going to watch Palin's speech tonight and hopefully her shrill voice won't make my ears bleed but whatever. I'll just have to watch it muted with closed captioning.
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You are acting like the whole point of my message was wrapped up in criticizing a spelling mistake and you are so hinged to that because you cannot otherwise make an argument. I used it as a hook and then stated why I went there -
I assume you're talking about this part:
that does not mean that I know nothing about religion or that you can act superior over me in your knowledge of such a thing.
Which I addressed. I love to study all kinds of religions. With your lack of knowledge, yes, I was asserting my knowledge was superior to yours in the subject of religions. I stand by that.
you were acting like I did not know anything about Christianity when you yourself only see Atheism as vacuous.
But if you'll remember *my* argument was that to apply your sense of logic, being an atheist, to a Christian family is a fallacy. Instead of accepting that fact, you went to point out a mispelling I made to make me look illiterate and stupid.
You had to look up something on my Facebook in an attempt to downplay what I believe;
Instead of just saying "well, you're an atheist, so you probably don't understand something you don't care about", I cited where I learned where you were an atheist, just in case you tried to argue *that*. ;)
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Look, I said I was done arguing because this isn't getting anywhere. My parents are Christian and when I was younger they tried to make me into a Christian to which I later got away from and I am happy about that; as far as I am concerned they are just individuals who fit a technicality of being related to me. This is my last post in this topic, all you are doing is being picky over one statement I made which was not even the entirety of my argument and assuming that I know nothing about religions. This isn't worth my time.
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That's fine, no one is forcing you to continue. I've addressed almost every word you've said, so I don't see what the problem is, but you haven't addressed anywhere near everything I've said just in response to what you've said.
Cheers!
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Going to move this to debates seeing as well... it's turned into one :P
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Possum, could you address some more of what I said? Because as far as I can tell you completely ignored my "How is a belief religion any different from a belief in Horoscopes, Homeopathy and Psychic powers?" question.
Then again, this is why I think arguments work better when done over books, because when done in interviews or forums people always miss out certain parts (maybe without realising), whilst the author of a book generally has a serious need to cover as much ground and make his arguments as well thought out as possible.
Just a guess here, but the 'god gene' is most likely the idea of it being, for the more war-like primitive humans especially but arguably for modern society as well, socially and evolutionarily beneficial for them to have some kind of 'binding force' that holds society together. To use one example, Those who believe the gods can strike them down if they do something 'wrong' are less likely to do something wrong which could incur punishment for them that renders them unable to pass on their genes (or life lessons to their children, which would make it more like the god meme ;P). This could of course be applied to obedience of a leader and fear of the police as well
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
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I'm sure heavily religious people consider any form of contraception as a sin, which stems from the original belief that the sperm was the whole life and the woman was merely a carrier, so any form of ejaculation that could not impregnate a woman was murder.
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Possum, could you address some more of what I said? Because as far as I can tell you completely ignored my "How is a belief religion any different from a belief in Horoscopes, Homeopathy and Psychic powers?" question.
I know this wasn't directed at me, and I know I'm not answering the question completely, but in Christianity's defense, belief in an omnipotent deity outside of this dimension seems a lot more logical than the belief that the positions of masses of dirt and ice floating in a void will somehow increase your odds of winning the lottery.
Oh, and if ejaculating without causing a pregnancy is murder, I kill somewhere between 7-9 babies a week. Yay fapping!
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Possum, could you address some more of what I said? Because as far as I can tell you completely ignored my "How is a belief religion any different from a belief in Horoscopes, Homeopathy and Psychic powers?" question.
I know this wasn't directed at me, and I know I'm not answering the question completely, but in Christianity's defense, belief in an omnipotent deity outside of this dimension seems a lot more logical than the belief that the positions of masses of dirt and ice floating in a void will somehow increase your odds of winning the lottery.
Oh, and if ejaculating without causing a pregnancy is murder, I kill somewhere between 7-9 babies a week. Yay fapping!
7-9 million...million. Unless you count the ones that might be successful, and then in that case you shoud donate to a bank because I'm sure if you were with a girl, you wouldn't have 7-9 successful sperm...but whatever, I'm reading too much into that.
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I'm sure heavily religious people consider any form of contraception as a sin, which stems from the original belief that the sperm was the whole life and the woman was merely a carrier, so any form of ejaculation that could not impregnate a woman was murder.
The original belief was wrong, which is why many people are able to accept "sex for pleasure (within marriage)" now.
But seriously, this entire topic makes me lol. 2awesome4apossum, you're pretty cool. I'm not in 100% agreement with your beliefs (very small discrepancies, but hey, that's normal), but I love you for the arguments you've made in this topic. I just wish they had more to do with the original topic.
Even if her daughter is pregnant, her daughter is not her. Palin has no control over her daughter. Even if her daughter was getting an abortion and Palin said no, her daughter can still do what she wants. If Palin were to use force to make her follow the choice Palin wants, that would look even worse.
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
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You can usually tell someone's a virgin when they think condoms are meant for "pregnancy prevention" and not "disease prevention"... >_<
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
*facepalm* She's pregnant because she's a !@#$%!
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
You're a women, and you're trying to sympathize; Which is cute. But hush now, men are talking.
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
*facepalm* She's pregnant because she's a !@#$%!
She slept with one guy who got her pregnant and that makes her a !@#$%?
Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
You're a woman, and you're trying to sympathize; Which is cute. But hush now, men are talking.
I'm not trying to sympathise, i'm just pointing out some faults in what some people are saying.
Men just like any excuse to call a woman a !@#$%.
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
*facepalm* She's pregnant because she's a !@#$%!
She slept with one guy who got her pregnant and that makes her a !@#$%?
Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
You're a woman, and you're trying to sympathize; Which is cute. But hush now, men are talking.
I'm not trying to sympathise, i'm just pointing out some faults in what some people are saying.
Men just like any excuse to call a woman a !@#$%.
Haha, someones got baggage. Anyway, I lost my virginity at 16, I didnt take a risk that day, I used a condom and i'm very glad I did. That little !@#$% has enough money to take the pill if shes going to be riding some poles, so its her fault. Stop bitching.
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
*facepalm* She's pregnant because she's a !@#$%!
She slept with one guy who got her pregnant and that makes her a !@#$%?
Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
You're a woman, and you're trying to sympathize; Which is cute. But hush now, men are talking.
I'm not trying to sympathise, i'm just pointing out some faults in what some people are saying.
Men just like any excuse to call a woman a !@#$%.
Haha, someones got baggage. Anyway, I lost my virginity at 16, I didnt take a risk that day, I used a condom and i'm very glad I did. That little !@#$% has enough money to take the pill if shes going to be riding some poles, so its her fault. Stop bitching.
I'm going to reinstate Kaedes first point. Perhaps she wore a condom aswell...
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
*facepalm* She's pregnant because she's a !@#$%!
She slept with one guy who got her pregnant and that makes her a !@#$%?
Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
You're a woman, and you're trying to sympathize; Which is cute. But hush now, men are talking.
I'm not trying to sympathise, i'm just pointing out some faults in what some people are saying.
Men just like any excuse to call a woman a !@#$%.
Haha, someones got baggage. Anyway, I lost my virginity at 16, I didnt take a risk that day, I used a condom and i'm very glad I did. That little !@#$% has enough money to take the pill if shes going to be riding some poles, so its her fault. Stop bitching.
I'm going to reinstate Kaedes first point. Perhaps she wore a condom aswell...
Im going to be fair and Balanced for a second, just like FoxNews.
Frankie Aka Kaede; Through my many experiences with women, none have advocated Condom usage, especially not at her age "Well just do pullout HURR" thats what I always here. I highly doubt she did use a condom HOWEVER If she did, she has to accept the consequences of having sex in the first place.
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
*facepalm* She's pregnant because she's a !@#$%!
She slept with one guy who got her pregnant and that makes her a !@#$%?
Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
You're a woman, and you're trying to sympathize; Which is cute. But hush now, men are talking.
I'm not trying to sympathise, i'm just pointing out some faults in what some people are saying.
Men just like any excuse to call a woman a !@#$%.
Haha, someones got baggage. Anyway, I lost my virginity at 16, I didnt take a risk that day, I used a condom and i'm very glad I did. That little !@#$% has enough money to take the pill if shes going to be riding some poles, so its her fault. Stop bitching.
I'm going to reinstate Kaedes first point. Perhaps she wore a condom aswell...
Im going to be fair and Balanced for a second, just like FoxNews.
Frankie Aka Kaede; Through my many experiences with women, none have advocated Condom usage, especially not at her age "Well just do pullout HURR" thats what I always here. I highly doubt she did use a condom HOWEVER If she did, she has to accept the consequences of having sex in the first place.
Well you must know some very dumb people then.
What you said about the pill; even that isnt 100% effective. There's still a small chance of getting pregnant when on the pill.
Maybe the girl wanted to get pregnant.
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
*facepalm* She's pregnant because she's a !@#$%!
She slept with one guy who got her pregnant and that makes her a !@#$%?
Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
You're a woman, and you're trying to sympathize; Which is cute. But hush now, men are talking.
I'm not trying to sympathise, i'm just pointing out some faults in what some people are saying.
Men just like any excuse to call a woman a !@#$%.
Haha, someones got baggage. Anyway, I lost my virginity at 16, I didnt take a risk that day, I used a condom and i'm very glad I did. That little !@#$% has enough money to take the pill if shes going to be riding some poles, so its her fault. Stop bitching.
I'm going to reinstate Kaedes first point. Perhaps she wore a condom aswell...
Im going to be fair and Balanced for a second, just like FoxNews.
Frankie Aka Kaede; Through my many experiences with women, none have advocated Condom usage, especially not at her age "Well just do pullout HURR" thats what I always here. I highly doubt she did use a condom HOWEVER If she did, she has to accept the consequences of having sex in the first place.
Then you're banging all the wrong chicks >_>
And yes thats what we're getting at, just cos shes pregnant doesn't mean she'd of whored herself out to become pregnant.
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
*facepalm* She's pregnant because she's a !@#$%!
She slept with one guy who got her pregnant and that makes her a !@#$%?
Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
You're a woman, and you're trying to sympathize; Which is cute. But hush now, men are talking.
I'm not trying to sympathise, i'm just pointing out some faults in what some people are saying.
Men just like any excuse to call a woman a !@#$%.
Haha, someones got baggage. Anyway, I lost my virginity at 16, I didnt take a risk that day, I used a condom and i'm very glad I did. That little !@#$% has enough money to take the pill if shes going to be riding some poles, so its her fault. Stop bitching.
I'm going to reinstate Kaedes first point. Perhaps she wore a condom aswell...
Im going to be fair and Balanced for a second, just like FoxNews.
Frankie Aka Kaede; Through my many experiences with women, none have advocated Condom usage, especially not at her age "Well just do pullout HURR" thats what I always here. I highly doubt she did use a condom HOWEVER If she did, she has to accept the consequences of having sex in the first place.
Well you must know some very dumb people then.
What you said about the pill; even that isnt 100% effective. There's still a small chance of getting pregnant when on the pill.
Maybe the girl wanted to get pregnant.
You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
gg kaede
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Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
*facepalm* She's pregnant because she's a !@#$%!
She slept with one guy who got her pregnant and that makes her a !@#$%?
Her daughter decided to !@#$% someone without a condom... who cares?
How do you know they didnt use a condom?
Condoms can break & no contraception is 100% effective.
Her daughters a !@#$%. She likes all her holes filled. Get over it.
Just because she's pregnant means she's a !@#$%?
You're a woman, and you're trying to sympathize; Which is cute. But hush now, men are talking.
I'm not trying to sympathise, i'm just pointing out some faults in what some people are saying.
Men just like any excuse to call a woman a !@#$%.
Haha, someones got baggage. Anyway, I lost my virginity at 16, I didnt take a risk that day, I used a condom and i'm very glad I did. That little !@#$% has enough money to take the pill if shes going to be riding some poles, so its her fault. Stop bitching.
I'm going to reinstate Kaedes first point. Perhaps she wore a condom aswell...
Im going to be fair and Balanced for a second, just like FoxNews.
Frankie Aka Kaede; Through my many experiences with women, none have advocated Condom usage, especially not at her age "Well just do pullout HURR" thats what I always here. I highly doubt she did use a condom HOWEVER If she did, she has to accept the consequences of having sex in the first place.
Well you must know some very dumb people then.
What you said about the pill; even that isnt 100% effective. There's still a small chance of getting pregnant when on the pill.
Maybe the girl wanted to get pregnant.
You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
gg kaede
How so?
Or is wanting to become pregnant considered an act of being a !@#$%?
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
Yes, I get that. But you're also ruling out the way !@#$% is used in every day talking. A girl at school gets pregnant, even if she's only having sex with her boyfriend, what do they call her?
A !@#$%.
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
Yes, I get that. But you're also ruling out the way !@#$% is used in every day talking. A girl at school gets pregnant, even if she's only having sex with her boyfriend, what do they call her?
A !@#$%.
No here in Telford, we just call them a person. Probably because if your female and 16 it seems just fitting to be pregnant >_>
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots. :)
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
Yes, I get that. But you're also ruling out the way !@#$% is used in every day talking. A girl at school gets pregnant, even if she's only having sex with her boyfriend, what do they call her?
A !@#$%.
No here in Telford, we just call them a person. Probably because if your female and 16 it seems just fitting to be pregnant >_>
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots. :)
Well that's what I call them, but everyone else I know, whether here or in another country, has referred to a teenager being pregnant as a !@#$%. Some were even pregnancies due to rape that the girl decided to keep. So, in a nutshell, I understood what they were getting at.
And even if I'm wrong, they were simply joking about the situation, anyway. Either way, don't take what they were saying too seriously.
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
Yes, I get that. But you're also ruling out the way !@#$% is used in every day talking. A girl at school gets pregnant, even if she's only having sex with her boyfriend, what do they call her?
A !@#$%.
No here in Telford, we just call them a person. Probably because if your female and 16 it seems just fitting to be pregnant >_>
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots. :)
Well that's what I call them, but everyone else I know, whether here or in another country, has referred to a teenager being pregnant as a !@#$%. Some were even pregnancies due to rape that the girl decided to keep. So, in a nutshell, I understood what they were getting at.
And even if I'm wrong, they were simply joking about the situation, anyway. Either way, don't take what they were saying too seriously.
But that really isnt the meaning of "!@#$%" though. I dont and have not heard of people calling a pregnant teenager a !@#$%, like Bert said, people just call them idiots or uneducated.
So if I got pregnant now, (I'm 17), would I be considered a !@#$% to you?
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No here in Telford, we just call them a person. Probably because if your female and 16 it seems just fitting to be pregnant >_>
Yeah but 80% of teenage females in Telford are pregnant.
these figures were bought to you by the !@#$% corperation and may be subject to being made up
Frankie Aka Kaede; Through my many experiences with women, none have advocated Condom usage, especially not at her age "Well just do pullout HURR" thats what I always here. I highly doubt she did use a condom HOWEVER If she did, she has to accept the consequences of having sex in the first place.
I've never heard a girl say that. And have many times heard them say "only if we use a condom." Where do you live? In the UK we have extensive information about contraception force fed to us at school. The only people who don't get that education is people who's parents ask for them not to.
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Remember 16 and older is the legal age here in England. I'd say you were unlucky.
though I've always wondered why, if the condom breaks, the women doesn't just take the morning after pill? I forgot is not a good excuse, because they have like...three days to take the damn thing. It's like these women want the child or something...
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So if I got pregnant now, (I'm 17), would I be considered a !@#$% to you?
YES YOU SKANKY ASS !@#$% !@#$% BLAH BLAH BLAH
Not really though.
Still, when a lot of this woman's credentials are that she's portraying herself as a "mother" figure, and oh wait her kids are huge !@#$%-ups, do we want her potentially in the presidency? I mean, let's face it, if McCain wins, he won't last the full term. Hell, he might not survive 'till inauguration.
Frankie Aka Kaede; Through my many experiences with women, none have advocated Condom usage, especially not at her age "Well just do pullout HURR" thats what I always here. I highly doubt she did use a condom HOWEVER If she did, she has to accept the consequences of having sex in the first place.
The ones who don't are the ones you need to avoid.
Also, withdrawal is so laughably ineffective as a form of contraception; a good analogy is trying to spit on a bonfire to put it out... seriously, even assuming that the guy CAN pull out in time and NOT spill any near the vital area, guys release sperm even before they ejaculate. It's true. Not only that, but STI town ahoy. Condoms: God's little rubber miracles.
Remember 16 and older is the legal age here in England. I'd say you were unlucky.
though I've always wondered why, if the condom breaks, the women doesn't just take the morning after pill? I forgot is not a good excuse, because they have like...three days to take the damn thing. It's like these women want the child or something...
Palin is anti-contraception and anti-abortion; the morning after pill is, one way or the other, considered contraception or abortion, depending on which side of the fence you sit on (and if you sit on the fence itself, have fun there, with a fence in your ass).
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Remember 16 and older is the legal age here in England. I'd say you were unlucky.
though I've always wondered why, if the condom breaks, the women doesn't just take the morning after pill? I forgot is not a good excuse, because they have like...three days to take the damn thing. It's like these women want the child or something...
As well as that Pyru said, the condom could break in a way that isn't obvious. Its only needs to be a tiny hole or split for the semen to be released and to possibly impregnate the woman, so they may not know shes pregnant until its too late.
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Of cause they is always the '!@#$% trap' explanation. Because, when their kid is on the way, most guys are ultimately grabbed by the balls (unless you're like me and your instinct would be to trigger the fire alarms of the building and run like hell),
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Of cause they is always the '!@#$% trap' explanation. Because, when their kid is on the way, most guys are ultimately grabbed by the balls (unless you're like me and your instinct would be to trigger the fire alarms of the building and run like hell),
eh? I dont get what you're trying to say? That if a girl was having your baby you'd desert her? :S
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Of cause they is always the '!@#$% trap' explanation. Because, when their kid is on the way, most guys are ultimately grabbed by the balls (unless you're like me and your instinct would be to trigger the fire alarms of the building and run like hell),
eh? I dont get what you're trying to say? That if a girl was having your baby you'd desert her? :S
D: that's vile and horrible :(
Sorry man but no cool points there TDJ :(
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Curse the internet's lack-of-ability to get across sarcasm in text :P
Though I apparently did that in a friends dream once...got my ex pregnant, ran away and started dating one of her friends...shows what they think of me, huh :P
Thinking about it. running might be better than staying for all involved. I'm in no way ready for a child, and would only come to resent the child for 'robbing me of my life'. You can't raise a child wishing they were never born.
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Curse the internet's lack-of-ability to get across sarcasm in text :P
Though I apparently did that in a friends dream once...got my ex pregnant, ran away and started dating one of her friends...shows what they think of me, huh :P
Thinking about it. running might be better than staying for all involved. I'm in no way ready for a child, and would only come to resent the child for 'robbing me of my life'. You can't raise a child wishing they were never born.
You hold that little baby in your arms for the first time and that will not be so.
Although, you're a guy, so it's not guaranteed.
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Even if I loved the kid, the resent and regret would still remain to fester and grow in the back of my mind. Most teenage parents will, later in life, argue against having a child at that age and cite missing out on so much as one of the reasons. When you look at the child, sure you'll see love, but you'll also see missed chances, wasted opportunities and sacrificed youth.
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Of cause they is always the '!@#$% trap' explanation. Because, when their kid is on the way, most guys are ultimately grabbed by the balls (unless you're like me and your instinct would be to trigger the fire alarms of the building and run like hell),
Running away is pathetic and immature. If you make a girl pregnant, then you should take the responsibilities. That's if she wants to keep the baby of course... 8)
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Sometimes it takes the bigger man to realise the child would be better off without him, ever think of that?
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Sometimes it takes the bigger man to realise the child would be better off without him, ever think of that?
No! It's just something those assholes say to make themselves feel better.
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Sometimes it takes the bigger man to realise the child would be better off without him, ever think of that?
No! It's just something those assholes say to make themselves feel better.
Child brought up through love.
Child brought up through hate.
Vote. NOW.
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To go back to Possum and me's earlier dispute, Wikipedia says we are both right:
Atheism, as an explicit position, can be either the affirmation of the nonexistence of gods,[1] or the rejection of theism.[2] It is also[3] defined more broadly as synonymous with any form of nontheism, including the simple absence of belief in deities.[4][5][6][7]
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
Yes, I get that. But you're also ruling out the way !@#$% is used in every day talking. A girl at school gets pregnant, even if she's only having sex with her boyfriend, what do they call her?
A !@#$%.
No here in Telford, we just call them a person. Probably because if your female and 16 it seems just fitting to be pregnant >_>
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots. :)
Well that's what I call them, but everyone else I know, whether here or in another country, has referred to a teenager being pregnant as a !@#$%. Some were even pregnancies due to rape that the girl decided to keep. So, in a nutshell, I understood what they were getting at.
And even if I'm wrong, they were simply joking about the situation, anyway. Either way, don't take what they were saying too seriously.
But that really isnt the meaning of "!@#$%" though. I dont and have not heard of people calling a pregnant teenager a !@#$%, like Bert said, people just call them idiots or uneducated.
So if I got pregnant now, (I'm 17), would I be considered a !@#$% to you?
No, you missed the part where I said that I called them idiots, as well. I don't call people whores, ever, unless that's what they are.
Around here, though, a pregnant teenager is a "!@#$%," no matter what you try to say to counter it. "She was raped." "Still a !@#$%." "Oh, okay."
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
Yes, I get that. But you're also ruling out the way !@#$% is used in every day talking. A girl at school gets pregnant, even if she's only having sex with her boyfriend, what do they call her?
A !@#$%.
No here in Telford, we just call them a person. Probably because if your female and 16 it seems just fitting to be pregnant >_>
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots. :)
Well that's what I call them, but everyone else I know, whether here or in another country, has referred to a teenager being pregnant as a !@#$%. Some were even pregnancies due to rape that the girl decided to keep. So, in a nutshell, I understood what they were getting at.
And even if I'm wrong, they were simply joking about the situation, anyway. Either way, don't take what they were saying too seriously.
But that really isnt the meaning of "!@#$%" though. I dont and have not heard of people calling a pregnant teenager a !@#$%, like Bert said, people just call them idiots or uneducated.
So if I got pregnant now, (I'm 17), would I be considered a !@#$% to you?
No, you missed the part where I said that I called them idiots, as well. I don't call people whores, ever, unless that's what they are.
Around here, though, a pregnant teenager is a "!@#$%," no matter what you try to say to counter it. "She was raped." "Still a !@#$%." "Oh, okay."
So now your a hypocrite?
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
Yes, I get that. But you're also ruling out the way !@#$% is used in every day talking. A girl at school gets pregnant, even if she's only having sex with her boyfriend, what do they call her?
A !@#$%.
No here in Telford, we just call them a person. Probably because if your female and 16 it seems just fitting to be pregnant >_>
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots. :)
Well that's what I call them, but everyone else I know, whether here or in another country, has referred to a teenager being pregnant as a !@#$%. Some were even pregnancies due to rape that the girl decided to keep. So, in a nutshell, I understood what they were getting at.
And even if I'm wrong, they were simply joking about the situation, anyway. Either way, don't take what they were saying too seriously.
But that really isnt the meaning of "!@#$%" though. I dont and have not heard of people calling a pregnant teenager a !@#$%, like Bert said, people just call them idiots or uneducated.
So if I got pregnant now, (I'm 17), would I be considered a !@#$% to you?
No, you missed the part where I said that I called them idiots, as well. I don't call people whores, ever, unless that's what they are.
Around here, though, a pregnant teenager is a "!@#$%," no matter what you try to say to counter it. "She was raped." "Still a !@#$%." "Oh, okay."
I dont get it :huh:
If I heard a girl was pregnant, and then saw that she wore a skirt no bigger than a belt and a revealing top, I still probably wouldnt call her a !@#$%. If she also had willingly and non-regrettably lost her virginity at 12 and slept with countless different boys since, then yeah I would call her a !@#$%.
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
Yes, I get that. But you're also ruling out the way !@#$% is used in every day talking. A girl at school gets pregnant, even if she's only having sex with her boyfriend, what do they call her?
A !@#$%.
No here in Telford, we just call them a person. Probably because if your female and 16 it seems just fitting to be pregnant >_>
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots. :)
Well that's what I call them, but everyone else I know, whether here or in another country, has referred to a teenager being pregnant as a !@#$%. Some were even pregnancies due to rape that the girl decided to keep. So, in a nutshell, I understood what they were getting at.
And even if I'm wrong, they were simply joking about the situation, anyway. Either way, don't take what they were saying too seriously.
But that really isnt the meaning of "!@#$%" though. I dont and have not heard of people calling a pregnant teenager a !@#$%, like Bert said, people just call them idiots or uneducated.
So if I got pregnant now, (I'm 17), would I be considered a !@#$% to you?
No, you missed the part where I said that I called them idiots, as well. I don't call people whores, ever, unless that's what they are.
Around here, though, a pregnant teenager is a "!@#$%," no matter what you try to say to counter it. "She was raped." "Still a !@#$%." "Oh, okay."
So now your a hypocrite?
No. I never once said that I called them whores. As a matter of fact, I totally disagree with that view, having had good friend get pregnant on a night of a simple bad choice.
@Kaede: The people around here are very assumptious. I believe I've only met a few people who would see a pregnant teenager and NOT go, "Oh look, she's a !@#$%." The worst part of it is, some of them are women who were pregnant at 16 and had a child. I, as I've said, merely call them idiots, because I disagree with getting pregnant at such a young age, yet I also understand that they have a free will and what they choose to do is their business.
I would never assume a pregnant person is a !@#$%. I hate the community around here for assuming that.
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You just agreed with what they were saying, through name calling and generalizations, right there.
They were saying she wanted to get pregnant and putting a general spin on it by calling her a !@#$%. Inappropriate, sure, but I understood what they were getting at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!@#$%
Yes, I get that. But you're also ruling out the way !@#$% is used in every day talking. A girl at school gets pregnant, even if she's only having sex with her boyfriend, what do they call her?
A !@#$%.
No here in Telford, we just call them a person. Probably because if your female and 16 it seems just fitting to be pregnant >_>
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots. :)
Well that's what I call them, but everyone else I know, whether here or in another country, has referred to a teenager being pregnant as a !@#$%. Some were even pregnancies due to rape that the girl decided to keep. So, in a nutshell, I understood what they were getting at.
And even if I'm wrong, they were simply joking about the situation, anyway. Either way, don't take what they were saying too seriously.
But that really isnt the meaning of "!@#$%" though. I dont and have not heard of people calling a pregnant teenager a !@#$%, like Bert said, people just call them idiots or uneducated.
So if I got pregnant now, (I'm 17), would I be considered a !@#$% to you?
No, you missed the part where I said that I called them idiots, as well. I don't call people whores, ever, unless that's what they are.
Around here, though, a pregnant teenager is a "!@#$%," no matter what you try to say to counter it. "She was raped." "Still a !@#$%." "Oh, okay."
So now your a hypocrite?
No. I never once said that I called them whores. As a matter of fact, I totally disagree with that view, having had good friend get pregnant on a night of a simple bad choice.
@Kaede: The people around here are very assumptious. I believe I've only met a few people who would see a pregnant teenager and NOT go, "Oh look, she's a !@#$%." The worst part of it is, some of them are women who were pregnant at 16 and had a child. I, as I've said, merely call them idiots, because I disagree with getting pregnant at such a young age, yet I also understand that they have a free will and what they choose to do is their business.
I would never assume a pregnant person is a !@#$%. I hate the community around here for assuming that.
...Yes you did. In fact.
Well that's what I call them.
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In fact, I didn't.
That was in response to:
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots.
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In fact, I didn't.
That was in response to:
But even then I don't call them whores I just call them idiots.
Oh...!@#$%...ermm.. sorry My mistake XD
Ignore my post then :)
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No, no, it's fine. I see how you made the error.
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No, no, it's fine. I see how you made the error.
I do a lot of scan reading so yeah :P
And in light of all this convo, just found out a friend from my previous course who was 16 at the time has just had a little kid. An I'll be honest she actually seems like the person to be a competent parent...
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No, no, it's fine. I see how you made the error.
I do a lot of scan reading so yeah :P
And in light of all this convo, just found out a friend from my previous course who was 16 at the time has just had a little kid. An I'll be honest she actually seems like the person to be a competent parent...
A girl (a chubby, ugly chav to be quite honest) who is a year below me had her baby on Friday, a girl, and named her Chantelle. Her mum wanted her to have an abortion so now isnt very happy with her as the girl is going to go to college in January and the mum will have to look after the baby.
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No, no, it's fine. I see how you made the error.
I do a lot of scan reading so yeah :P
And in light of all this convo, just found out a friend from my previous course who was 16 at the time has just had a little kid. An I'll be honest she actually seems like the person to be a competent parent...
A girl (a chubby, ugly chav to be quite honest) who is a year below me had her baby on Friday, a girl, and named her Chantelle. Her mum wanted her to have an abortion so now isnt very happy with her as the girl is going to go to college in January and the mum will have to look after the baby.
Should of been aborted. Can tell what that childs going to grow up an be >_>
Too many chavs, Too few bullets.