Okay, time to beat a dead horse (ha, they should put that in the REAL Saw IV!): I love the Saw movies...but not because of the gore. I actually like the plot, and the message that they have. Yeah, sounds weird huh, watching Saw for the plot. But seriously...the jigsaw dude, his name is John, right? He knows his stuff...and he's trying to get people to have better lives by playing these 'games' to show that their lives they are living are going to get them killed one way or another...and if they live they come out of it better...if not, they probably deserved to die. Sure, it's unnecessarily gorey, but it's got a point it needs to get across, and the way it does it is pretty genius in my eyes. I just wish people weren't so stupid in it...none of them have come out better so far, and it's sad.