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ZFGC.com => Updates => Topic started by: 4Sword on October 08, 2010, 04:40:59 pm
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http://www.nintendocfc.com/
The Nintendo Community Fangame Convention's deadline for booth entries is October 22nd, 2010, which is about two weeks away. Anyway they currently don't have any Zelda entries which would be bad because a Nintendo contest event like this without Zelda might be lacking. The previous year's contest we only had two entries submitted for the event, King Tetiro's Legend of Zelda: Chiming Bells and Bludleef's The Sage Knight. This year even with somewhat of a later announcement I think we can do just as good if not a little better!
Also though, the leader of this event is MetroidMaster1914, who is also an administrator at Metroid Headquarters - Metroid HQ also being our most recent affiliate and a cool site to check out if you are into Metroid games. Also as with previous contests, just because we are a Zelda forum here doesn't mean that our entries have to be limited to just Zelda - if you are working on something else Nintendo related you could submit that too!
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Dang, if only I'd started sooner...
Oh well, there's always next year.
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Dang, if only I'd started sooner...
Oh well, there's always next year.
XD Better luck next time XD
I might be able to enter this time, I recovered my zelda engine and working on it as we speak(type)
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I wonder if Myth of Heroa could be considered a zelda fan game. If it is, I would pump out the demo through the first dungeon.
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I'll be entering my little tech demo I think.
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Oracle of Secrets?
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Oracle of Secrets?
Yar
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Have you added any more to that? Or is it just what you already released?
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Have you added any more to that? Or is it just what you already released?
Nope :P
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Hm, would submit Elysium, but it's less done than OoS I would say.
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Sorry for asking but does it matter how long the tech demo must be? I am gonna release something from the Zelda Universe but it involves a different character, plus the tech demo can be done within 15-20 minutes for speed-run. :huh:
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hm, I'm definitely not going to be ready in time for that.
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If you're lacking projects then we could add my tech demo. If it helps I mean. However. I would like some help in that case since it's unclear what is required to contribute, I'm pretty busy and my game probably needs some more polish/testing.
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Sage Knight will be there again. I am just finishing the second demo this weekend. XD
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Sage Knight will be there again. I am just finishing the second demo this weekend. XD
I'm supporting you Bludleef! Good luck man!
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Sage Knight will be there again. I am just finishing the second demo this weekend. XD
I'm supporting you Bludleef! Good luck man!
Thanks I appreciate it. ;)
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Hey
homos hobags; only 30 minutes left until it starts :D
Who actually entered?
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I did. XD
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Knighty = instant win btw XD
Although; turnout is kinda bad for almost all categories D:
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Agreed. Glad I didn't end up entering Myth of Heroa(been busy with college paper work and WoW :D) into NCFC.
Woulda made the Zelda category that much more worse.
I guess cool kids don't make fan-games anymore. The cool kids make horrible indie games for LIVE.
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Someone should tell the earthbound guy that technically earthbound 3 already exists
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Why does Project AM2R have to be a Game Maker game? I would love to play it on things besides PCs, but alas, it is locked down!
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Why does Project AM2R have to be a Game Maker game? I would love to play it on things besides PCs, but alas, it is locked down!
D: svideo or something
Better question is "Why does Project AM2R have to say there will be a new demo on the 25th when I see no demo D:
Dunt wanna sleep before playin!
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Bit disappointed with AM2R's demo...
It's more of the same :\ I was hoping to fight some Metroids. Instead it's just different maps, reused bosses from the last demo, and Crocomire...
I am disappoint.
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I kind of wish I would have had something to show off at the NCFC event but I tend to be burdened with college every week; or when I am not busy, I use that downtime to rest. Well there is this Game Developer's Association on campus but at a meeting I went to for that they thought that downloading and manipulating a three-dimensional Unity landscape and having something like it so the player can shoot paintballs constituted a serious attempt at game making. There was no point to the game mechanics and there was no attempt to understand the structure of what they were doing.
Also though the other stuff at the NCFC beyond Zelda looks alright too, I might have to try out some of that stuff.
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Bit disappointed with AM2R's demo...
It's more of the same :\ I was hoping to fight some Metroids. Instead it's just different maps, reused bosses from the last demo, and Crocomire...
I am disappoint.
I hadn't played the previous demos for AM2R, but I was blown away! It was extremely smooth and for a demo, it really sucked me in. I haven't seen many projects made with GM that are that good. Felt just like Metroid to me and the fact that he is remaking Metroid 2 is also another plus. I thought it was awesome! But I can't say anything about him having new content this year because I never saw the old content. I ended up finishing with 22/25 items, and I was trying get everything. He did a good job for the difficulty level, although the boss in the long tunal takes way too long to beat. Overall I was very impressed!
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Moderately confused by the final results considering projects with a far lower score beat out the ones with the higher scores.
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I hadn't played the previous demos for AM2R, but I was blown away! It was extremely smooth and for a demo, it really sucked me in. I haven't seen many projects made with GM that are that good. Felt just like Metroid to me and the fact that he is remaking Metroid 2 is also another plus. I thought it was awesome! But I can't say anything about him having new content this year because I never saw the old content. I ended up finishing with 22/25 items, and I was trying get everything. He did a good job for the difficulty level, although the boss in the long tunal takes way too long to beat. Overall I was very impressed!
Yeah, it was the first time I played it too. Very nicely done. Felt solid. The only thing I didn't like was the jumping. Felt like it should have more hang time. Jumping on small platforms was a lil frustrating. Other than that, it was freakin' awesome.
Moderately confused by the final results considering projects with a far lower score beat out the ones with the higher scores.
Yeah I noticed that too. Very weird. Shouldn't have a star average amount if it isn't going to be used.
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I know... It's already averaged up.
It's not too big of a deal, but honestly it kinda pisses me off a bit :P It means all of the best in show games were simply picked by staff and not based on votes.
EDIT: http://nintendocfc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=309
Made a thread about it. Not so much bothered by the fact that my project didn't win even though statistically speaking it was higher rated as I am bothered by the fact that I spent a few days constantly refreshing to see how it's doing when it didn't even matter :P
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Yeah that vote totals at the end are really messed up; uh-oh spaghetti-o's indeed. I voted for the Metroid project, I liked it showing off what Game Maker could do.
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http://nintendocfc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=309
Or to quote it:
You said it best, they're pointless. They're really there just for show- right now anyway.
They were sort of added last year last minute just because we could add them, and this year we were very focused on getting a mostly-automated working site that we didn't really consider doing anything with the ratings.
You're not the first to ask this though, and what to do with the ratings will definitely be an issue that will be raised for next year's event. There are a few things to work out with them as they work now, but once that's sorted out they will likely have some degree of influence over the best of show decisions. Personally, I'd like them to be used for best of show but some of the other staff might disagree with me and it's something we'd need to discuss in full as it isn't an issue that we've brought up because none of us really considered much of anything regarding the ratings.
<_< not joining next year. Waste of my time.
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Is it that difficult to add a "Best by voters" category?
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Is it that difficult to add a "Best by voters" category?
I assume so.
I figured "Best in Show" meant best received.
They should have Best in Show, and then Staff Pick.
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Having the rating system without explanation gives off the automatic assumption that the projects' placements are going to be based on it; or in other words, having a rating system takes the assumption away from it being determined another way. The rating system seemed the most unbiased especially considering it wasn't like the Metroid forum-goers had the largest majority of entered projects (a lot of the votes for the project probably were from people who aren't from a Metroid community).
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Sorry mammo, but he has a good point
because they're rigged as !@#$%.
We wouldn't want something like LoZ: Oracle of Secrets to win just because it has good ratings, now would we?
It got bad reviews on the radio, in the irc and just in general for not having enough content but somehow it's rating is massive. It's very obviously rigged.
We want to make the event as fair as possible. Just because some specific booths take advantage of the fact that rating doesn't require registration, doesn't mean we should completely ignore their content and make them the best of show.
Although i haven't tried the demo yet, this reminds me of the whole Pokemon game POTM fiasco
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Sorry mammo, but he has a good point
because they're rigged as !@#$%.
We wouldn't want something like LoZ: Oracle of Secrets to win just because it has good ratings, now would we?
It got bad reviews on the radio, in the irc and just in general for not having enough content but somehow it's rating is massive. It's very obviously rigged.
We want to make the event as fair as possible. Just because some specific booths take advantage of the fact that rating doesn't require registration, doesn't mean we should completely ignore their content and make them the best of show.
Although i haven't tried the demo yet, this reminds me of the whole Pokemon game POTM fiasco
It's only "rigged" because the projects that have had more exposure get more votes. That's about it <_<...
People who vote multiple times only influence the star rating by a fraction, since there are way more legitimate voters than illegitimate ones. One low vote can drastically change the average.
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Sorry mammo, but he has a good point
because they're rigged as !@#$%.
We wouldn't want something like LoZ: Oracle of Secrets to win just because it has good ratings, now would we?
It got bad reviews on the radio, in the irc and just in general for not having enough content but somehow it's rating is massive. It's very obviously rigged.
We want to make the event as fair as possible. Just because some specific booths take advantage of the fact that rating doesn't require registration, doesn't mean we should completely ignore their content and make them the best of show.
Although i haven't tried the demo yet, this reminds me of the whole Pokemon game POTM fiasco
Oh yes I agree and understand. But than don't add the voting at all. If voting is added use it and have something to filter out the rigged votes, like with the Pokemon PotM. Or don't use it. But at least make it well known what the judgement criteria are. With the Pokemon PotM we viewed everyone that voted and still let the votes count. With the NCFC you can guess that ratings are rigged, thus don't add them at all. It is not like YouTube where there are millions of voters to counter balance the rigged votes.
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Again the difference is that you're dealing with averages of votes, not volume of votes. Someone voting 5 times isn't going to affect the score enough when there's 50+ votes. They've had this system for a year now :P I just don't get why they don't understand that just because a project has 200+ votes doesn't mean it's rigged. It means it's a popular game.
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The ZFGC Project of the Month is also based on user's voting for a project that has been on the forum for at least a month, whereas the NCFC event involves people being mostly secretive about their project or just showing their project off on the forum they are from and then having the project showed at the NCFC event for about a week. There isn't that much appeal in joining a forum that is only going to be active for a week.
Them doing it that way though ensured that the booth creators would be registered members though so maybe from their mindset they assumed this would mean that the way they figured the winners would be more determined by those who entered projects. But it is still kind of off in that I don't think all the staffers over there entered projects and the majority of those who voted would have only done so after being directed there from a fan game community; which is to say that those voting are either fan game enthusiasts or project creators themselves. More so, the projects that had obvious flaws were scored more poorly and as previously stated good projects of any Nintendo series must have had votes from people who belonged to other communities.
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Lol definitely not joining next year now... Man if I could I would avoid even endorsing NCFC at this point. At least Kesha's cool though :P
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Of course I am!
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Of course I am!
Holy !@#$% I didn't realize you were the same Kesha D:
:| totally sorry for being an !@#$% to you a lot in the past btw
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That's pretty messed up that the person who runs the event basically accused you of cheating... They really should just incorporate a positive only voting system so the game that gets the most thumbs up wins best in show, or they should have stated that stars would have no play in the overall outcome of the competition... 1-5 averaging is too easy to negatively exploit, 5 5's can easily be turned into a 3-4 with a few troll 1's. It just feels like this year they force-fed us 2-3 games, then the rest just got brushed aside as filler. Fan games by the people, for the people. Not Fan games by the people, for 2-3 people who run an event...
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well, the past is the past, doesn't mean much to me.
I think Mecha was definitely being unfair, there seemed to be a lot of people accusing booths of being rigged for votes because they had a lot of voters and while it's possible I doubt that was the case with any of the booths. The rating system wasn't considered much at all by the staff in regards to anything, and it's our fault for not informing people that it didn't matter.
Best of Show has been decided by the staff since the beginning, and if you're new to the even then I apologize for not informing you, but I didn't even know how it was decided until the end of last year's event! But yeah, basically the staff decide, and that's really all there is to it. I'd like to change it, I think there's a lot more fun ways to decide it and ways that involve the community more, but I can't make any guarantees right now.
If you don't want to show up next year, that's fine, I can understand. There's going to be some internal changes within the staff for next year though, so the event will probably run a bit differently so you might not want to give up just yet.
Also I take feedback very seriously, I want to make the event as good as it can possibly be, so I appreciate hearing the concerns you have. If you have any other issues, feel free to post them here or on the NCFC forums.
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Kesha/Cuddle Bunny: What really bothers me, is something that I also saw last year. The winners are just announced on the front page in a list. There is nothing about how you came to the decision and together with the ratings for an outsider it paints the wrong picture.
The post says something about bad reviews on a radio and irc. Me as an outsider only sees the site. All the events mostly take place during night time when I'm sleeping here in Europe, thus I only go by the little bit what the site has to offer me. Which is a list of booths with annonymous rating system and a list of winners.
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Sorry mammo, but he has a good point
because they're rigged as !@#$%.
We wouldn't want something like LoZ: Oracle of Secrets to win just because it has good ratings, now would we?
It got bad reviews on the radio, in the irc and just in general for not having enough content but somehow it's rating is massive. It's very obviously rigged.
We want to make the event as fair as possible. Just because some specific booths take advantage of the fact that rating doesn't require registration, doesn't mean we should completely ignore their content and make them the best of show.
Although i haven't tried the demo yet, this reminds me of the whole Pokemon game POTM fiasco
It's only "rigged" because the projects that have had more exposure get more votes. That's about it <_<...
People who vote multiple times only influence the star rating by a fraction, since there are way more legitimate voters than illegitimate ones. One low vote can drastically change the average.
Ahh i see, my bad.
That's pretty messed up that the person who runs the event basically accused you of cheating... They really should just incorporate a positive only voting system so the game that gets the most thumbs up wins best in show, or they should have stated that stars would have no play in the overall outcome of the competition... 1-5 averaging is too easy to negatively exploit, 5 5's can easily be turned into a 3-4 with a few troll 1's. It just feels like this year they force-fed us 2-3 games, then the rest just got brushed aside as filler. Fan games by the people, for the people. Not Fan games by the people, for 2-3 people who run an event...
Although having the stars voting thing does seem pretty pointless if they're pretty much just gonna ignore it over having a set amount of people pick the winners.
well, the past is the past, doesn't mean much to me.
I think Mecha was definitely being unfair, there seemed to be a lot of people accusing booths of being rigged for votes because they had a lot of voters and while it's possible I doubt that was the case with any of the booths. The rating system wasn't considered much at all by the staff in regards to anything, and it's our fault for not informing people that it didn't matter.
Best of Show has been decided by the staff since the beginning, and if you're new to the even then I apologize for not informing you, but I didn't even know how it was decided until the end of last year's event! But yeah, basically the staff decide, and that's really all there is to it. I'd like to change it, I think there's a lot more fun ways to decide it and ways that involve the community more, but I can't make any guarantees right now.
If you don't want to show up next year, that's fine, I can understand. There's going to be some internal changes within the staff for next year though, so the event will probably run a bit differently so you might not want to give up just yet.
Also I take feedback very seriously, I want to make the event as good as it can possibly be, so I appreciate hearing the concerns you have. If you have any other issues, feel free to post them here or on the NCFC forums.
Are the staff that pick the winners every year the same each year, or is say 5 out of say 10 of the staff chosen, then they vote? I guess it's nice to have judges but i don't really see anywhere on the site where they explain why exactly they picked the games they picked, no opinions on them and such.
I agree with Niek, i also only see mostly the site. Is there no sort of Comment system on the site, kind of like ZFGC has?
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I agree with Niek, i also only see mostly the site. Is there no sort of Comment system on the site, kind of like ZFGC has?
After some digging I saw a community forum that has topics for each booth. But the topics aren't really connected to the booth. What you actually need with the booths is a way to post comments without the need to register, but with the ability to sign a name to it.
I actually think that the mistakes we see here are also good lessons for some Z3 event if ZFGC decides to organise one again.
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yeah I might've been unfair in calling it rigged but it was called out many times for having, well, suspicious voters. It was featured on the radio/irc for five minutes where we did a live review, and it wasn't very thrilling to say the least. Then we see that it's got the highest ratings. Makes one wonder.
Yeah it had lots of voters, but it doesn't change the fact that the total output of the rating was a whole lot of 5 star votes for a two minute standard movement engine. That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, and a lot of other booth hosts were a bit pissed because they never got a chance to be on top of that list, deserving it or not.
I get especially ticked when the creator of this game starts to wonder why he didn't win best of show, which gives the impression that he just threw something out there and made sure he got a lot of votes to get e-fame.
This is the first year where we've had a bad case of suspicious ratings. But you have to remember that in past NCFC events, ratings have never been used for anything other than guidelines. Then this year we add a IRC feature that makes a big deal out of it and it suddenly becomes a big deal. But it never was.
A lesson is learnt but the damage is irreversible. NCFC is by fangamers for fangamers and we can all contribute to make it a better event!
Are the staff that pick the winners every year the same each year, or is say 5 out of say 10 of the staff chosen, then they vote? I guess it's nice to have judges but i don't really see anywhere on the site where they explain why exactly they picked the games they picked, no opinions on them and such.
The winners were announced during the NCFC closing ceremony. Reasons were given during this!
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There is a major difference between general curiosity, and being asshurt.
For me, fangaming is the low end of game development. I don't particularly care if OoSecrets won or not because it was simply a tech demo to show effects, text engines, event systems, and other sources I made for another IP of mine. Only thing's I was super stoked to show were the original graphics and cutscenes, which were apparently overlooked. Entering it in NCFC was an afterthought when Z3 was cancelled. That being said, raising my e-peen over a tech demo in fan-game's clothing doesn't really mean anything to me. My question however was in regards to how misleading NCFC is in presentation. It shows booths, and allows users to vote. Votes go towards nothing, and a few people hand select the winners. It's kind of a slap in the face to the people who voted, isn't it?
I just don't see the incentive in following it when you're basically presenting your game to a few staffers for review who's opinions are probably riddled with bias to begin with, and dismissing votes because they're "rigged" or "IRC didn't agree" just seems like a copout. For as many "5 star ratings" a project gets, I bet there's even more 1 star ratings. It balances itself out to the point that those extreme ratings don't even matter anymore. You might as well say AM2R was rigged because of it's high volume of votes, but again- it has a fanbase outside of it's roots. OoSecrets has more votes because, as I said on NCFC's forums- it has a following outside of ZFGC too on Surasshu's side of things, not to mention the communities who got to see the original artwork I made for the project. It just seems pointless to chastise something just because it's votes aren't from the forum the project debuted on.
That aside; I can only hope NCFC matures into a more refined site over the years. It's just not there yet.
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yeah I might've been unfair in calling it rigged but it was called out many times for having, well, suspicious voters. It was featured on the radio/irc for five minutes where we did a live review, and it wasn't very thrilling to say the least. Then we see that it's got the highest ratings. Makes one wonder.
Yeah it had lots of voters, but it doesn't change the fact that the total output of the rating was a whole lot of 5 star votes for a two minute standard movement engine. That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, and a lot of other booth hosts were a bit pissed because they never got a chance to be on top of that list, deserving it or not.
I get especially ticked when the creator of this game starts to wonder why he didn't win best of show, which gives the impression that he just threw something out there and made sure he got a lot of votes to get e-fame.
This is the first year where we've had a bad case of suspicious ratings. But you have to remember that in past NCFC events, ratings have never been used for anything other than guidelines. Then this year we add a IRC feature that makes a big deal out of it and it suddenly becomes a big deal. But it never was.
A lesson is learnt but the damage is irreversible. NCFC is by fangamers for fangamers and we can all contribute to make it a better event!
Are the staff that pick the winners every year the same each year, or is say 5 out of say 10 of the staff chosen, then they vote? I guess it's nice to have judges but i don't really see anywhere on the site where they explain why exactly they picked the games they picked, no opinions on them and such.
The winners were announced during the NCFC closing ceremony. Reasons were given during this!
Wonderful!, i don't see the closing ceremonies on the site. Therefore i can't actually see the closing ceremonies bro.
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This is the first year where we've had a bad case of suspicious ratings. But you have to remember that in past NCFC events, ratings have never been used for anything other than guidelines. Then this year we add a IRC feature that makes a big deal out of it and it suddenly becomes a big deal. But it never was.
Are the staff that pick the winners every year the same each year, or is say 5 out of say 10 of the staff chosen, then they vote? I guess it's nice to have judges but i don't really see anywhere on the site where they explain why exactly they picked the games they picked, no opinions on them and such.
The winners were announced during the NCFC closing ceremony. Reasons were given during this!
No offense, but those things are not on the site. There are no recordings. Thus only people who were able to join or tune in at that moment and the people who actually knew about it, are witness to the event. The rest only has to second guess what has happened during that time.
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This is the first year where we've had a bad case of suspicious ratings. But you have to remember that in past NCFC events, ratings have never been used for anything other than guidelines. Then this year we add a IRC feature that makes a big deal out of it and it suddenly becomes a big deal. But it never was.
Are the staff that pick the winners every year the same each year, or is say 5 out of say 10 of the staff chosen, then they vote? I guess it's nice to have judges but i don't really see anywhere on the site where they explain why exactly they picked the games they picked, no opinions on them and such.
The winners were announced during the NCFC closing ceremony. Reasons were given during this!
No offense, but those things are not on the site. There are no recordings. Thus only people who were able to join or tune in at that moment and the people who actually knew about it, are witness to the event. The rest only has to second guess what has happened during that time.
Oh niek you have to be wrong, i am sure the closing ceremony thing is somewhere on their site. No way they would have it on like IRC or some crap where the only way to see why they picked the games would be to show up at a specific time they have to know that the world has a zillion different timezones and that it would be stupid to host it off-site and not even put the basic premise of why they voted for such and such game on their website for everyone to read over later.
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No offense, but those things are not on the site. There are no recordings. Thus only people who were able to join or tune in at that moment and the people who actually knew about it, are witness to the event. The rest only has to second guess what has happened during that time.
Yeah, the NCFC site hasn't been as used as much as it should have, we've been primarily focusing on the chat. You're not the first to bring this up, and in retrospect we agree entirely! Food for thought I suppose.
That said, there's transcripts of all the major events, including the closing ceremony. If they're not up already, then they'll become available one of the following days. If they're not available yet then it's because they're being cleaned up so it's not a complete mess.
I believe the chat contained roughly 30 clients during the closing ceremony, although I didn't get to enjoy it much myself either (laptop died in the middle of it all).
There is a major difference between general curiosity, and being asshurt.
For me, fangaming is the low end of game development. I don't particularly care if OoSecrets won or not because it was simply a tech demo to show effects, text engines, event systems, and other sources I made for another IP of mine. Only thing's I was super stoked to show were the original graphics and cutscenes, which were apparently overlooked. Entering it in NCFC was an afterthought when Z3 was cancelled. That being said, raising my e-peen over a tech demo in fan-game's clothing doesn't really mean anything to me. My question however was in regards to how misleading NCFC is in presentation. It shows booths, and allows users to vote. Votes go towards nothing, and a few people hand select the winners. It's kind of a slap in the face to the people who voted, isn't it?
I just don't see the incentive in following it when you're basically presenting your game to a few staffers for review who's opinions are probably riddled with bias to begin with, and dismissing votes because they're "rigged" or "IRC didn't agree" just seems like a copout. For as many "5 star ratings" a project gets, I bet there's even more 1 star ratings. It balances itself out to the point that those extreme ratings don't even matter anymore. You might as well say AM2R was rigged because of it's high volume of votes, but again- it has a fanbase outside of it's roots. OoSecrets has more votes because, as I said on NCFC's forums- it has a following outside of ZFGC too on Surasshu's side of things, not to mention the communities who got to see the original artwork I made for the project. It just seems pointless to chastise something just because it's votes aren't from the forum the project debuted on.
The point is that OoSecrets, despite how much of a tech demo it is, is lacking massively in gameplay compared to other games. Yeah, it's a tech demo but that doesn't change the fact that the other games have more to them and deserve the title more. That's why it didn't win. If it had won based entirely on stars, people would feel more cheated than you're feeling now. Or not feeling. Actually I'm not too sure what you're trying to say.
Regardless, the ratings have always been used purely as guidelines and never been the final call. Because that would be stupid.
That aside; I can only hope NCFC matures into a more refined site over the years. It's just not there yet.
I don't get this. You're entirely free to give us a call, tell us you want to join the team and show us how it's done. We're not businessmen expecting any kind of income from this, we're your average fangamers wanting to bring fangaming all over the internet together. We're not trying to put shame on you, nor are we trying to cheat you. We just want to have a great time, and if you know how to have a great time better than us then you should definitely show us!
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ZFGC has lost a lot of its mojo and swagger and that is something which needs to be improved upon. I guess if there were more projects in its category the rating system would have been more applicable but when it came down to choosing between the two top ones from the Zelda category - it would be a little more fair to choose its winner based on people who went ahead and played the fan games. I think my previous remarks were a little misguided and now understand that overall as stated by MechaBowser and Kesha the winners did end up mostly corresponding to rating system.
I guess there is no use in being bitter, we just have to step our game up the next time and prepare better for the event.