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Title: Who plays music here?
Post by: TheRealDragonboy on August 18, 2007, 12:21:44 pm
Who plays music here? And what kind of instrument? I only know that Confused_Gamer plays guitar and that the blue chu chu plays Flute. :P

I play drums for 2/3 years and guitar for 3 weeks.

Who else plays music? Or have you ever think about playing/learning?
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Theforeshadower on August 18, 2007, 02:58:43 pm
I play some guitar...
And violin...
I can jam on a piano a little bit...
Violin is f'n hard to learn....
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Retro on August 18, 2007, 03:00:52 pm
I have played Guitar for three years now, and I'm getting pretty damn good.  If only I could find a band...

I have played piano since I was four off and on, I'm not great but I can make up some great beats with a synthesizer.  I also sing but thats not an instrument.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: sjegtp on August 18, 2007, 03:09:36 pm
I've had piano/keyboard classes for 7 years, and I also had 1 year of flute.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Solarrain4 on August 18, 2007, 03:40:54 pm
Guitar for 6 years. (Open-E tuning for 3, then I started learning standard tuning in '04 and have been playing that ever since)
Drums for 2 1/2 years.

I know how to play bass, but I don't own one.

My family has a really big musical background. For instance, my cousin's hardcore/screamo band Our Last Night was just recently signed to Epitaph Records. (That maybe was slightly off topic, but I had to say it)
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Pyru on August 18, 2007, 05:06:22 pm
I play the four main schools of melodic instruments: Keys, strings, brass and woodwind, broken down into:

Keys:
-Piano

Strings:
-Guitar
-Bass
-Mandolin
-Banjo
-Uke

Brass:
-Trumpet

Woodwind:
-Saxophone
-Harmonica

I've been playing piano since I was little, guitar for the past five or six years or so, harmonica for about a year and a half, and saxophone on and off for a few years, more solidly in the last year since I got my own.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: luigi on August 18, 2007, 05:11:27 pm
I have been playing guitar for almost 5 years now.

Learning to play bass kind of..my dad has taught me some things.

And Drums, I'm not really a drum player, but if I listen to a song over and over a few times and try to play the drum line, it wouldn't take long for me to get it.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: GANONSLAY3R on August 18, 2007, 05:17:23 pm
i been playing the guitar for about 6 or 7 years now, i don't like to brag but i !@#$% kick ass  8)
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: TheRealDragonboy on August 18, 2007, 05:53:03 pm
I play the four main schools of melodic instruments: Keys, strings, brass and woodwind, broken down into:

Keys:
-Piano

Strings:
-Guitar
-Bass
-Mandolin
-Banjo
-Uke

Brass:
-Trumpet

Woodwind:
-Saxophone
-Harmonica

I've been playing piano since I was little, guitar for the past five or six years or so, harmonica for about a year and a half, and saxophone on and off for a few years, more solidly in the last year since I got my own.
Whow that's a lot O_o


Another question to you all:

Why do so many people outside the Netherlands play Guitar? I only know 2 people in The Netherlands who plays guitar..
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: skully on August 18, 2007, 05:58:04 pm
Guitar since I was 14 or so. Ive always screwed around on piano, and our synth, but Ive only been able to play songs following the numbers and such.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: DanTheMan on August 18, 2007, 06:11:59 pm
I play trumpet myself, and am a band captain in my school's marching band.  I've uploaded a few videos of our band onto Youtube, available at http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=DanTheManMS
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: uma on August 18, 2007, 06:18:43 pm
I play the Piano... Well, actually its a keyboard >_>.

Too bad I can't hook it up to ma' computer and have like a make-shift studio.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Ricky on August 18, 2007, 07:00:06 pm
I have three years of flute experience (I rarely play, but I still do).
And I recently got a guitar, but I don't really dedicate to that, but instead of learning chords I can download tabs (single-fret, please) and play them slowly, damn, I rule... xD
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Domo on August 18, 2007, 07:37:37 pm
I'm playing music right now.  I love the visualizations in WinAmp!   Oh wait...you meant instruments...   >_<

Well, I've taught myself how to play a few things on the piano and guitar.  I haven't really practiced or tried very hard, basically I've just messed around with them.  I played the cello, drums, and trombone when I was little, but not very long...I doubt I'd be able to now.

Recently I've been learning the play the dulcimer, but I still have a long way to go.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Kyubi on August 18, 2007, 09:27:04 pm
In total I've probably been learning guitar for a month.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: TheRealDragonboy on August 18, 2007, 09:46:10 pm
In total I've probably been learning guitar for a month.
Yay, I play guitar also for a month.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Kyubi on August 18, 2007, 10:10:06 pm
It's a problem, though. Because all of the music I'd love to play either I can't play due to the fact that I'm playing acoustic until I get better (otherwise the investment in an electric one just wouldn't be worth it), and most sections use effects, or that they're too damn hard. I know I'm getting better though.

Btw, are you teaching yourself? I am- it's so much more worth it, imo. Guitar lessons are a waste of money nowadays.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Halu on August 18, 2007, 10:35:55 pm
I'm a drummer.

Had two gigs since I started, which was about a year ago.
Possibly getting a band together soon.

I play Xylo, Keyboards, Vibraphone, Clarinet, Bass, and am learning guitar.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Pyru on August 18, 2007, 10:38:54 pm
Btw, are you teaching yourself? I am- it's so much more worth it, imo. Guitar lessons are a waste of money nowadays.

You'll never learn a lot of important stuff, if you teach yourself. I've always, always, sworn by learning from a good teacher. That's half the reason why I'm so much better at guitar than anything else - I'm self-taught on everything else. I'm not bad, but not brilliant either.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: sjegtp on August 19, 2007, 12:18:34 am
Btw, are you teaching yourself? I am- it's so much more worth it, imo. Guitar lessons are a waste of money nowadays.

You'll never learn a lot of important stuff, if you teach yourself. I've always, always, sworn by learning from a good teacher. That's half the reason why I'm so much better at guitar than anything else - I'm self-taught on everything else. I'm not bad, but not brilliant either.
Yeah, self-teaching in music is quite difficult. Specially for your first instrument, because you wouldn't have theorical knowledge on music. But I know a few people who learned how to play the guitar alone, though.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Colbydude on August 19, 2007, 12:35:03 am
I play Trumpet, I am also learning Guitar. I've had my Guitar since I was 6, but I'm just now getting to it. XD
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Pyru on August 19, 2007, 07:47:56 am
Btw, are you teaching yourself? I am- it's so much more worth it, imo. Guitar lessons are a waste of money nowadays.

You'll never learn a lot of important stuff, if you teach yourself. I've always, always, sworn by learning from a good teacher. That's half the reason why I'm so much better at guitar than anything else - I'm self-taught on everything else. I'm not bad, but not brilliant either.
Yeah, self-teaching in music is quite difficult. Specially for your first instrument, because you wouldn't have theorical knowledge on music. But I know a few people who learned how to play the guitar alone, though.

I'm not even talking about just theory; especially for guitar, there's a lot of technique and things like fretboard patterns that most people will never learn on their own, because it either never occurs to them, or they never bother to look into it.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Hoffy on August 19, 2007, 08:18:20 am
I don't play any music. Though I do write lyrics and my friend writes music for them and claims the songs as his own 8D. I don't mind though, it's just for fun.

I was going to start learning piano soon.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Venus on August 19, 2007, 12:07:28 pm
Btw, are you teaching yourself? I am- it's so much more worth it, imo. Guitar lessons are a waste of money nowadays.

You'll never learn a lot of important stuff, if you teach yourself. I've always, always, sworn by learning from a good teacher. That's half the reason why I'm so much better at guitar than anything else - I'm self-taught on everything else. I'm not bad, but not brilliant either.
Yeah, self-teaching in music is quite difficult. Specially for your first instrument, because you wouldn't have theorical knowledge on music. But I know a few people who learned how to play the guitar alone, though.

I'm not even talking about just theory; especially for guitar, there's a lot of technique and things like fretboard patterns that most people will never learn on their own, because it either never occurs to them, or they never bother to look into it.

It's not really a problem though. No one is forcing you to play for example the guitar like you are "supposed to". No one is even forcing you to play with music theory in mind. If it sounds good to yourself, why bother play conventional? :P
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Kyubi on August 19, 2007, 01:04:25 pm
I think having a disregard for the "rules" of playing guitar helps- just look at it as a piece of wood, six wires, and it's yours to do what you want with it. Obviously you do have to make music with it and at least learn the basics though. >_>

I was told not to use my thumb by some guys, but Tom Morello does- and look where he is.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: TheRealDragonboy on August 19, 2007, 01:23:30 pm
Btw, are you teaching yourself? I am- it's so much more worth it, imo. Guitar lessons are a waste of money nowadays.

You'll never learn a lot of important stuff, if you teach yourself. I've always, always, sworn by learning from a good teacher. That's half the reason why I'm so much better at guitar than anything else - I'm self-taught on everything else. I'm not bad, but not brilliant either.
Yeah, self-teaching in music is quite difficult. Specially for your first instrument, because you wouldn't have theorical knowledge on music. But I know a few people who learned how to play the guitar alone, though.

I'm not even talking about just theory; especially for guitar, there's a lot of technique and things like fretboard patterns that most people will never learn on their own, because it either never occurs to them, or they never bother to look into it.

It's not really a problem though. No one is forcing you to play for example the guitar like you are "supposed to". No one is even forcing you to play with music theory in mind. If it sounds good to yourself, why bother play conventional? :P
You can better take lessons AND teaching yourself. So you'll play better than the rest of your music class, just what I did :P
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Venus on August 19, 2007, 02:09:03 pm
Btw, are you teaching yourself? I am- it's so much more worth it, imo. Guitar lessons are a waste of money nowadays.

You'll never learn a lot of important stuff, if you teach yourself. I've always, always, sworn by learning from a good teacher. That's half the reason why I'm so much better at guitar than anything else - I'm self-taught on everything else. I'm not bad, but not brilliant either.
Yeah, self-teaching in music is quite difficult. Specially for your first instrument, because you wouldn't have theorical knowledge on music. But I know a few people who learned how to play the guitar alone, though.

I'm not even talking about just theory; especially for guitar, there's a lot of technique and things like fretboard patterns that most people will never learn on their own, because it either never occurs to them, or they never bother to look into it.

It's not really a problem though. No one is forcing you to play for example the guitar like you are "supposed to". No one is even forcing you to play with music theory in mind. If it sounds good to yourself, why bother play conventional? :P
You can better take lessons AND teaching yourself. So you'll play better than the rest of your music class, just what I did :P

Sure if it works for you, why not? You shouldn't expect everyone to do it the same way as you do though.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: CoNfUsEd_GaMeR on August 19, 2007, 02:15:42 pm
I was told not to use my thumb by some guys, but Tom Morello does- and look where he is.

using your thumb is bad technique, but Tommy M knows that, so he only uses it when he sees that it plays a particular advantage in a certain situation. he'll revert back to good technique when that situation is over, and thats the secret really. he experimented for at least 2 hours a day (out of his 8 hour daily routine) so he knows lots of handy "bad" techniques.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: sjegtp on August 19, 2007, 03:31:30 pm
IMO, if it's you first instrument (including voice as instrument), you usually don't have as much "hearing ability" (I mean, the ability to identify the notes and the combinations) as someone who has learned more instruments or has experience in music. If you do that, it's probable that when you play a music you think that you're playing the correct notes, but people who have a better "hearing ability" will notice that there are wrong notes in the context. Also, if you know musical theory, you are able to know if a combination of notes sounds good without hearing it, so if you don't have much hearing ability, but you know musical theory, you're still able to identify the wrong notes of a song when you analyze the musical notation.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Venus on August 19, 2007, 07:27:51 pm
IMO, if it's you first instrument (including voice as instrument), you usually don't have as much "hearing ability" (I mean, the ability to identify the notes and the combinations) as someone who has learned more instruments or has experience in music. If you do that, it's probable that when you play a music you think that you're playing the correct notes, but people who have a better "hearing ability" will notice that there are wrong notes in the context. Also, if you know musical theory, you are able to know if a combination of notes sounds good without hearing it, so if you don't have much hearing ability, but you know musical theory, you're still able to identify the wrong notes of a song when you analyze the musical notation.

IMO, there's no "right" and "wrong". There are tons of musicians that play out of tune and what you call "wrong" because they find it much more artistic and enjoyable. Of course they seldom do this "just because", but they don't want to put up boundaries for themselves, they want artistic freedom, they want to be able to do anything even if it's breaking conventional music "rules".
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: sjegtp on August 19, 2007, 08:13:17 pm
IMO, if it's you first instrument (including voice as instrument), you usually don't have as much "hearing ability" (I mean, the ability to identify the notes and the combinations) as someone who has learned more instruments or has experience in music. If you do that, it's probable that when you play a music you think that you're playing the correct notes, but people who have a better "hearing ability" will notice that there are wrong notes in the context. Also, if you know musical theory, you are able to know if a combination of notes sounds good without hearing it, so if you don't have much hearing ability, but you know musical theory, you're still able to identify the wrong notes of a song when you analyze the musical notation.

IMO, there's no "right" and "wrong". There are tons of musicians that play out of tune and what you call "wrong" because they find it much more artistic and enjoyable. Of course they seldom do this "just because", but they don't want to put up boundaries for themselves, they want artistic freedom, they want to be able to do anything even if it's breaking conventional music "rules".
Music theory are not conventions. The names they give to the combinations, the symbols used in musical notation yes, are conventions. But music theory is taught so that you learn what notes match and what feeling they transmit to the ones are listening the music. Musical theory tells you if the notes match or not, and when the notes don't match they usually sound very disturbing. In soundtracks for horror movies they sometimes break these rules to provoke fear and suspense, because the notes sound disturbing and uncommon. But you're taught that these uncommon combinations transmit this feeling, and they are not used in songs, because people don't like to sing or hear these combinations.

So when you're playing a song by heart, if you forget some notes, you can apply music theory in the song to discover what notes are missing. But if you apply it in the wrong way, the notes won't match and the song will sound disturbing.

If you don't know how to read musical notation, and you don't know musical theory, and you're self-teaching yourself; it is very difficult for you to learn a song by heart, unless you have an excellent hearing ability to analyse the harmony and the melody of the song.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: TheRealDragonboy on August 19, 2007, 09:03:05 pm
IMO, if it's you first instrument (including voice as instrument), you usually don't have as much "hearing ability" (I mean, the ability to identify the notes and the combinations) as someone who has learned more instruments or has experience in music. If you do that, it's probable that when you play a music you think that you're playing the correct notes, but people who have a better "hearing ability" will notice that there are wrong notes in the context. Also, if you know musical theory, you are able to know if a combination of notes sounds good without hearing it, so if you don't have much hearing ability, but you know musical theory, you're still able to identify the wrong notes of a song when you analyze the musical notation.

IMO, there's no "right" and "wrong". There are tons of musicians that play out of tune and what you call "wrong" because they find it much more artistic and enjoyable. Of course they seldom do this "just because", but they don't want to put up boundaries for themselves, they want artistic freedom, they want to be able to do anything even if it's breaking conventional music "rules".
You do need to have good ears for playing instruments. My brother who is 18 and can't play better guitar than me, because he never played music before, and has bad ears for music. But for people who LISTEN many music, that would be easier to play instruments if they have an idea for what they actually want to play.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Wasabi on August 19, 2007, 09:10:21 pm
Well you already knew I play flute, but I was asked two weeks ago if me and two of the other girls from our school's band could play saxophones in the jazz band too. It's not really hard to pick up, as most of the fingerings are the same or similar to flute. I just got stuck with the baritone :P.
And I also mess around on my keyboard often, just listening to songs then playing them.

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So when you're playing a song by heart, if you forget some notes, you can apply music theory in the song to discover what notes are missing. But if you apply it in the wrong way, the notes won't match and the song will sound disturbing.

If you don't know how to read musical notation, and you don't know musical theory, and you're self-teaching yourself; it is very difficult for you to learn a song by heart, unless you have an excellent hearing ability to analyse the harmony and the melody of the song.
I can do that. When I was six I was listening to songs on the morning music show, then I'd go and play them on the keyboard, with a few mistakes at first, but after a short time almost perfectly. And I could remember them too. I can also do that on my flute.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: sjegtp on August 19, 2007, 09:21:02 pm
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So when you're playing a song by heart, if you forget some notes, you can apply music theory in the song to discover what notes are missing. But if you apply it in the wrong way, the notes won't match and the song will sound disturbing.

If you don't know how to read musical notation, and you don't know musical theory, and you're self-teaching yourself; it is very difficult for you to learn a song by heart, unless you have an excellent hearing ability to analyse the harmony and the melody of the song.
I can do that. When I was six I was listening to songs on the morning music show, then I'd go and play them on the keyboard, with a few mistakes at first, but after a short time almost perfectly. And I could remember them too. I can also do that on my flute.
This means you have a good hearing ability ;). It's not everyone who can do that so easily.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Pyru on August 19, 2007, 09:21:57 pm
Well you already knew I play flute, but I was asked two weeks ago if me and two of the other girls from our school's band could play saxophones in the jazz band too. It's not really hard to pick up, as most of the fingerings are the same or similar to flute. I just got stuck with the baritone :P.

Yeah, the friend of mine who got me into playing saxophone got to Grade 5 or 6 on flute within a month of starting simply because of his knowledge of saxophone.

And baritone? Sweet. I wish I had a baritone... I just play alto. <__< Baritone, bass and tenor sax are completely awesome, and soprano sax is pretty cool just for the "This isn't a clarinet" factor.

Alto is like the least cool sax of 'em all. :P
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Wasabi on August 19, 2007, 09:24:06 pm
It's a school baritone though. Still sounds alright. It's enjoyable.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Venus on August 19, 2007, 09:51:11 pm
IMO, if it's you first instrument (including voice as instrument), you usually don't have as much "hearing ability" (I mean, the ability to identify the notes and the combinations) as someone who has learned more instruments or has experience in music. If you do that, it's probable that when you play a music you think that you're playing the correct notes, but people who have a better "hearing ability" will notice that there are wrong notes in the context. Also, if you know musical theory, you are able to know if a combination of notes sounds good without hearing it, so if you don't have much hearing ability, but you know musical theory, you're still able to identify the wrong notes of a song when you analyze the musical notation.

IMO, there's no "right" and "wrong". There are tons of musicians that play out of tune and what you call "wrong" because they find it much more artistic and enjoyable. Of course they seldom do this "just because", but they don't want to put up boundaries for themselves, they want artistic freedom, they want to be able to do anything even if it's breaking conventional music "rules".
Music theory are not conventions. The names they give to the combinations, the symbols used in musical notation yes, are conventions. But music theory is taught so that you learn what notes match and what feeling they transmit to the ones are listening the music. Musical theory tells you if the notes match or not, and when the notes don't match they usually sound very disturbing. In soundtracks for horror movies they sometimes break these rules to provoke fear and suspense, because the notes sound disturbing and uncommon. But you're taught that these uncommon combinations transmit this feeling, and they are not used in songs, because people don't like to sing or hear these combinations.

So when you're playing a song by heart, if you forget some notes, you can apply music theory in the song to discover what notes are missing. But if you apply it in the wrong way, the notes won't match and the song will sound disturbing.

If you don't know how to read musical notation, and you don't know musical theory, and you're self-teaching yourself; it is very difficult for you to learn a song by heart, unless you have an excellent hearing ability to analyse the harmony and the melody of the song.

No, I don't believe a word of what you say. I think you should be able to play however you want. You basically say that if you don't follow music theory the music will sound bad, disturbing or unappealing. But that's not true at all! You forget one thing; what is good and bad is NOT the same for everyone. I enjoy a lot of music where the musicians just sat down and forgot everything about notes, music theory and so on and just EXPERIMENTED. In the end they have improvised a good piece without even thinking of what they did. They might have followed music theory without thinking about it, but a lot of it is probably breaking it. Either way, it still sounds good. At least for those who like it (duh). Oh, and there ARE people who like it. ;)

I'm not saying following music theory is BAD (I enjoy a lot of music based on it as well). But I AM saying that not following it doesn't necessarily make it bad.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Pyru on August 19, 2007, 09:57:35 pm
Basically every single piece of music ever that has been vaguely listenable, has been based on SOME kind of musical theory. It might not be always the same musical theory but there's always something in it that fits to some kind of order, not just some random rubbish - whether that was intended or not.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: sjegtp on August 19, 2007, 10:27:35 pm
Basically every single piece of music ever that has been vaguely listenable, has been based on SOME kind of musical theory. It might not be always the same musical theory but there's always something in it that fits to some kind of order, not just some random rubbish - whether that was intended or not.
That's it.

@Venus: Please don't overuse capitals, it makes it seem we are arguing about this. But anyway, do you really know what is music theory? It's a study of what patterns composers use on their music and what feelings they represent. For instance: the most used combinations are Minor and Major, which usually represent, respectively, sad and happy feelings. For instance, the song "Happy Birthday to you" uses melody and harmony in Major tones. But if you transfer it to Minor, it becomes something more similar to funeral music (yes, it sounds really creepy). And if you manage to combine major and minor correctly in the same music you can express various different emotions. Similarly, music theory also studies rhythms of music. You can have 4/4, 3/4, 6/8, etc. 4/4 is by far the most used rhythm, because it's easy to manipulate (all the intervals of time in the music are multiples of 2, so that you can balance it well). 3/4 is the second most used rhythm, it's usually used in waltz and ballet, because it fits the rhythm of this sort of dance. However, 5/4, 7/4 and 9/8 sound unusual to our ears, and it takes some time until we get used to the rhythm of the song. It's not considered a bad pattern, it's only unusual. These rhythms are also much more difficult to compose in, because you have to use notes in intervals that sum 5, 7 and 9. But I'm sure that I've learned a beautiful Beethoven sonata in 5/4. Though I've only seen one 7/8 track so far, it was a horror theme. I've composed a 9/8 music once, because it wouldn't fit the 4/4 key, but it really isn't common. It's also possible to compose part of a song in one rhythm and the other part in another, but you would have to add a pause so that it doesn't become a too sudden change and sound difficult for the hearer to assimilate.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Venus on August 19, 2007, 10:38:33 pm
Basically every single piece of music ever that has been vaguely listenable, has been based on SOME kind of musical theory. It might not be always the same musical theory but there's always something in it that fits to some kind of order, not just some random rubbish - whether that was intended or not.

I'm not exactly sure if you agree or disagreed with me. But I think I agree with what you wrote there. Except "random rubbish".

Basically every single piece of music ever that has been vaguely listenable, has been based on SOME kind of musical theory. It might not be always the same musical theory but there's always something in it that fits to some kind of order, not just some random rubbish - whether that was intended or not.
That's it.

@Venus: Please don't overuse capitals, it makes it seem we are arguing about this. But anyway, do you really know what is music theory? It's a study of what patterns composers use on their music and what feelings they represent. For instance: the most used combinations are Minor and Major, which usually represent, respectively, sad and happy feelings. For instance, the song "Happy Birthday to you" uses melody and harmony in Major tones. But if you transfer it to Minor, it becomes something more similar to funeral music (yes, it sounds really creepy). And if you manage to combine major and minor correctly in the same music you can express various different emotions. Similarly, music theory also studies rhythms of music. You can have 4/4, 3/4, 6/8, etc. 4/4 is by far the most used rhythm, because it's easy to manipulate (all the intervals of time in the music are multiples of 2, so that you can balance it well). 3/4 is the second most used rhythm, it's usually used in waltz and ballet, because it fits the rhythm of this sort of dance. However, 5/4, 7/4 and 9/8 sound unusual to our ears, and it takes some time until we get used to the rhythm of the song. It's not considered a bad pattern, it's only unusual. These rhythms are also much more difficult to compose in, because you have to use notes in intervals that sum 5, 7 and 9. But I'm sure that I've learned a beautiful Beethoven sonata in 5/4. Though I've only seen one 7/8 track so far, it was a horror theme. I've composed a 9/8 music once, because it wouldn't fit the 4/4 key, but it really isn't common. It's also possible to compose part of a song in one rhythm and the other part in another, but you would have to add a pause so that it doesn't become a too sudden change and sound difficult for the hearer to assimilate.

Sorry for the capitals. I use them rather than formating my text because it's what is often used in "non-formattable" enviroment (such as plain text). You are not supposed to read it like I raise my voice, only putting emphasize on the word :P

I still don't agree. I could make a song without caring if it was in 4/4, 3/4, 5/4 or even 125/66 but of course it could probably be measured to be something, but that doesn't change the fact that I made up the song without caring :P So in that way I mean you can create it without knowing anything about music theory. It's not essential to create music, it might however be essential to describe music. You don't need to be able to describe music to create it, just like you don't need to be able to describe an emotion to feel it. Am I making sense now? I'm sorry if I am not.. D:
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: sjegtp on August 19, 2007, 10:47:05 pm
@Venus: Yes. To compose you either have to know the theory or have good hearing ability. The theory helps you so that you can express an emotion more clearly, but many people compose without realising the theory. But Beethoven, who was deaf, could only use the theory to compose, or the song wouldn't sound the way he wanted.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Venus on August 20, 2007, 06:20:55 am
@Venus: Yes. To compose you either have to know the theory or have good hearing ability. The theory helps you so that you can express an emotion more clearly, but many people compose without realising the theory. But Beethoven, who was deaf, could only use the theory to compose, or the song wouldn't sound the way he wanted.

I think everyone has good hearing ability (unless they are, deaf of course). I think most people creating music know when something sounds like they want it to whether they care about any hearing ability or not ;)
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Wasabi on August 20, 2007, 06:41:48 am
One of my friends and her sister went on state music camp last holidays, and came back and said they had songs with 11/8 and 13/8 time signatures. what a pain to count!
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Kame on August 20, 2007, 04:10:12 pm
Learning piano, only a couple days now.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Kyubi on August 20, 2007, 04:50:03 pm
OK, I've been teaching myself guitar now- as you already know. But what should I really start learning first? See I've realised nothing about my training is logical. Just playing tabs. Should I try to learn chords first?
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Dracon on August 20, 2007, 05:19:08 pm
I used to play the Piano, but I quit. I can't dedicate myself to anything. :P
I did it for almost five years, unfortunately I had a really shitty teacher over the first three. I would literally get bored to tears at her lessons.
Ugh... I should have been at a way higher level than I was when I quit, and I hated having my Saturday mornings sucked away for something I quickly got tired of. My sister took lessons with me too. That girl has taken up and put down almost every instrument there is. I don't even know how my parents could put up with all that !@#$%. Seriously, she has played the piano, clarinet, guitar, violin, piano again, and the flute. She put them all down. The only thing she ever stuck with was Soccer, but she was going to quit that after, like two weeks, but my Mom went off on her after she realized that her daughter had been saturating her in !@#$%. Now she's actually into it quite a bit.
Anyway, I love piano music, and I have the fingers of a pianist, but I just don't have that kind of mind. I have more the composer's mind. That's why I have a music program. Oh yeah.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Siri on August 24, 2007, 02:47:28 pm
Mmh.

I've been playing the keyboard for, uh, 8 years or something,
and a year ago (or something?) I started practising my singing skills. (imo your voice is an instrument aswell, you gotta learn the technique. It's not that much about talent at all)

... and since last Monday I'm trying to teach myself how to play guitar, but I have no discipline and it's very likely that I'll give up soon. Unless I find someone around my place who wants to teach me for free lol.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Krynn on August 24, 2007, 05:37:15 pm
I've been playing guitar for 7 Years.

Piano for 3 years. I taught myself on both.

My favourite stuff to play is my own band on guitar and 'To Zanarkand' on Piano.

OK, I've been teaching myself guitar now- as you already know. But what should I really start learning first? See I've realised nothing about my training is logical. Just playing tabs. Should I try to learn chords first?
I taught myself, Now I can play awesome. It's just time it takes. My suggestion is trying to learn techniques first. Then learning classic rock songs (even if you hate them like I do). Because lots of them show good theory. Then try writing your own stuff, and if it sucks learn to play some of the stuff from your favourite artist, then try writing some more stuff. Technique is the key though.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Kylink on August 26, 2007, 09:38:23 pm
I've been playing guitar for about a year and a half...I'm not that good but I'm learning.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Malon on August 29, 2007, 09:29:28 pm
I have been playing the keyboard for four years.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: SlimmyG on August 30, 2007, 10:12:36 pm
I play bass and a little bit of guitar. i've only been playing a year and a few months, but im quite good.
i can also play the smallest bit possible on keyboard...
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Pyru on August 31, 2007, 01:54:08 pm
Mmh.

I've been playing the keyboard for, uh, 8 years or something,
and a year ago (or something?) I started practising my singing skills. (imo your voice is an instrument aswell, you gotta learn the technique. It's not that much about talent at all)

Only a year of singing? 'Cos you're frikkin' awesome. I've been working on my singing for about 10 months, but my singing teacher's been ill for a lot of that, so maybe not as much as I would've liked. Still a lotta progress, I've been told.

And I'd half agree with you that it's about practise, but some people are just talented enough to get away without it. Very, very few, though - I know maybe one or two and a lot who think they're good enough and really aren't. <__<
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Deku_stick on August 31, 2007, 02:20:03 pm
i play guitar and a little bass and I'm trying to sing over 24 hours now
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: TheRealDragonboy on September 02, 2007, 11:26:45 am
i play guitar and a little bass and I'm trying to sing over 24 hours now
What about Spannish Acoustic guitar and Spannish awful singing? XD
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: TomPel on September 02, 2007, 12:56:51 pm
Been intensively playing with acoustic guitar for... Not too long, a year maybe, I've learned to play pretty quick. Taught myself, but I've considered taking lessons so I can read notes better and learn the right/better techniques. Also, I might buy an electric guitar.
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Siri on September 02, 2007, 11:55:58 pm
Mmh.

I've been playing the keyboard for, uh, 8 years or something,
and a year ago (or something?) I started practising my singing skills. (imo your voice is an instrument aswell, you gotta learn the technique. It's not that much about talent at all)

Only a year of singing? 'Cos you're frikkin' awesome. I've been working on my singing for about 10 months, but my singing teacher's been ill for a lot of that, so maybe not as much as I would've liked. Still a lotta progress, I've been told.

And I'd half agree with you that it's about practise, but some people are just talented enough to get away without it. Very, very few, though - I know maybe one or two and a lot who think they're good enough and really aren't. <__<

:O Thanks!
Yeah, it must have been something about a year now. I can't stand listening to old recordings of my singing, they really suck.
Well, I've never taken any classes, they're way to expensive, so I think my technique isn't a very good one, but hey. xD
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Bustertheheroic on September 03, 2007, 03:32:46 am
b-b-BASS!
Title: Re: Who plays music here?
Post by: Bludleef on September 03, 2007, 07:01:23 pm
I play Guitar, Piano, Organ, and the Vocal Chords  XD
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Post by: luigi on September 03, 2007, 07:08:26 pm
GUITARARARARARAR!!!

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