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General => Other Discussion => Boards => Archive => Debates => Topic started by: Dracon on March 03, 2008, 03:17:41 am
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Yeah, I was thinking about how people put so much effort into keeping alive those who would otherwise have died before age three if they had to be out fighting for survival. There are some people that can't even go out in the sun without risking death. We've grown to the point where we no longer have to adapt to suit the environment; we can adapt the environment to suit us. What do you think will become of this?
This subject came to mind when I was re-watching Elfen Lied (awesome anime, if you're into that), and I thought about how the Diclonius were said to be the "next stage in human evolution", and that they "could end humanity as we know it". I was thinking that even though it will most likely not reach the scale of killer psychic powers, there might be some violent, powerful adaptation in humans (come to think of it, Akira explores the same concept) would appear and spread, while those weak who are allowed to survive and reproduce become more and more abundant. This will lead to a society fill with fragile people. Such a mutation, Diclonius level or below, would easily cause humanity to crumble, letting letting the new breeds of humans take over. The idea here is that there will be a force that not only resists human survival and reproduction, but one that attacks it directly, and that it will most likely rise from humans themselves.
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We are actually becoming more evolved..
Haven't you ever heard of X-men?
I kid, I kid. But yeah, we're certainly not using evolution much at all. Modern society has made surviving a lot easier, so we don't get any large changes in our population. Having something like diclonious happen is extremely unlikely, as we don't have any reason to evolve those things. Not to mention that their existance would defy logic (invisible arms? what?)
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I think in thousands of years we will evolve again. Humans only use 10% of their brain. The other 90% is turned off and nobody knows what it does. Psychic powers anyone?
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I think in thousands of years we will evolve again. Humans only use 10% of their brain. The other 90% is turned off and nobody knows what it does. Psychic powers anyone?
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp)
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We are actually becoming more evolved..
Haven't you ever heard of X-men?
I kid, I kid. But yeah, we're certainly not using evolution much at all. Modern society has made surviving a lot easier, so we don't get any large changes in our population. Having something like diclonious happen is extremely unlikely, as we don't have any reason to evolve those things. Not to mention that their existance would defy logic (invisible arms? what?)
Like I said, Diclonius evolution would be WAAAY over the top, but I'm saying some new kind of human might appear who would want to kill the normal kind of human as the result of some family of mutations.
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In order for humans to evolve, we need something to wipe out 99% of the human population.
Since we seem to stop anything that could do that from happening, we're kind of stopping evolution.
Damn you and your fancy medicines!
Damn you and your ability to adapt to new a huge variety of environments by using the environments!
Damn you all!
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Yah, there is NO reason for humans to ever evolve. The only one is sudden and unpredictable change, like a meteor or something.
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Yah, there is NO reason for humans to ever evolve. The only one is sudden and unpredictable change, like a meteor or something.
And something of that magnitude is likely to wipe out the human race anyway.
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I think in thousands of years we will evolve again. Humans only use 10% of their brain. The other 90% is turned off and nobody knows what it does. Psychic powers anyone?
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp)
Dis is a conspiracy.
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Evolution requires high genetic variation relative to population size-- unfortunately, the human race has a HUGE population, and very little genetic variation-- there is also no TRUE boundary for people, so there is no "isolation" for many people.
I honestly don't think humans will evolve much unless there is a HUGE population drop.
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Evolution requires high genetic variation relative to population size-- unfortunately, the human race has a HUGE population, and very little genetic variation-- there is also no TRUE boundary for people, so there is no "isolation" for many people.
I honestly don't think humans will evolve much unless there is a HUGE population drop.
Well I'm saying that there will be a huge population drop caused by mutating humans killing other humans. Anyway, a lot of people would die if something came, because we allow those who have otherwise fatal genetic traits live and even reproduce. More and more weak humans would appear.
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Evolution requires high genetic variation relative to population size-- unfortunately, the human race has a HUGE population, and very little genetic variation-- there is also no TRUE boundary for people, so there is no "isolation" for many people.
I honestly don't think humans will evolve much unless there is a HUGE population drop.
Well I'm saying that there will be a huge population drop caused by mutating humans killing other humans. Anyway, a lot of people would die if something came, because we allow those who have otherwise fatal genetic traits live and even reproduce. More and more weak humans would appear.
What, is some guy with webbed feet and claws going to start attacking people? I'd like to see how well he fares against guns.
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Evolution requires high genetic variation relative to population size-- unfortunately, the human race has a HUGE population, and very little genetic variation-- there is also no TRUE boundary for people, so there is no "isolation" for many people.
I honestly don't think humans will evolve much unless there is a HUGE population drop.
Well I'm saying that there will be a huge population drop caused by mutating humans killing other humans. Anyway, a lot of people would die if something came, because we allow those who have otherwise fatal genetic traits live and even reproduce. More and more weak humans would appear.
What, is some guy with webbed feet and claws going to start attacking people? I'd like to see how well he fares against guns.
He'd be superman and deflect the bullets, of course.
But seriously, does anyone know or realise it takes millions of years for a human race to evolve? And at this point in time, we have enough at our disposal to survive, we have guns to shoot threats which are external, medics and surgeons to destroy internal threats, and so far, in our current state, we've had no proper threats. Say in the next thousand years, global warming heats up the planet, and ice caps melt and there is flooding, as suggested by scientists and the day after tomorrow. As some beleive there might be an ice age, some may choose to stay in the aream grow more hair and walrus skin. Those who choose to migrate to say Australia or America, they might become more red skin, or darker skin, to deal with the heat. (Red skin would be a result of blood vessels rising to the surface of the skin) The human race might also become more adapt and go back to Charles Darwin's 'Survival of the fittest'
On that note, Survival of the Fittest is also quite the thing of the oast. Millions of years ago, we couldn't care less if there wasn't one less species in the world, as long as we survived, now that it's different, any animal can survive.
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Hmm... You'd think that there comes a point when adaptation ends. Its a survival thing; we no longer need to survive in the same aspect that would require adaptation... So I kinda think humanity is at its peak for now
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Seriously, I think we have reached the final stage of evolution.
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Seriously, I think we have reached the final stage of evolution.
Evolution doesn't work like that. They are no stages until we look back on it and impose the stages onto it.
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Seriously, I think we have reached the final stage of evolution.
Evolution doesn't work like that. They are no stages until we look back on it and impose the stages onto it.
That's correct, but I think humans are good as they are now, and do not need any changes.
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Seriously, I think we have reached the final stage of evolution.
Evolution doesn't work like that. They are no stages until we look back on it and impose the stages onto it.
That's correct, but I think humans are good as they are now, and do not need any changes.
WE CANT BREATHE UNDER WATER. Say a Biblical Style Flood happens. Most of us would drown. So the few that were living on the mountain tops waiting for the flood to reach them would adapt and evolve to have gills. Then they could survive and thus, evolved once more. Like a long time ago when monkeys lived in the plains, they had no trees to defend themselves against predators. Nowhere to hide. So they just had to out-run them. So they became bipedal. Still they needed food, they began making weapons and tools. Evolution will never end.
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Seriously, I think we have reached the final stage of evolution.
Evolution doesn't work like that. They are no stages until we look back on it and impose the stages onto it.
Meh. There's more than just adaptive shifts, though. Compare a prokaryotic organism to a mammal. The complexity of the latter shows that it has not only adapted but advanced. I don't think I expressed that too clearly, so feel free to say so if you didn't really get what I said.
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I've always hated debates about evolution on zfgc, 95% of people seem to have no understanding of how it works whatsoever.
Moldrill, let alone that it would take billions of years for a mamal to evolve gills (dolphins breath air), the point of this topic is that we wouldn't need to evolve since technology - boats and floating platforms in this case - would allow us to survive anyway.
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Seriously, I think we have reached the final stage of evolution.
Evolution doesn't work like that. They are no stages until we look back on it and impose the stages onto it.
That's correct, but I think humans are good as they are now, and do not need any changes.
WE CANT BREATHE UNDER WATER. Say a Biblical Style Flood happens. Most of us would drown. So the few that were living on the mountain tops waiting for the flood to reach them would adapt and evolve to have gills. Then they could survive and thus, evolved once more. Like a long time ago when monkeys lived in the plains, they had no trees to defend themselves against predators. Nowhere to hide. So they just had to out-run them. So they became bipedal. Still they needed food, they began making weapons and tools. Evolution will never end.
Why would we evolve gills just because of a flood? We'd obviously evolve wings. The fish too.
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I've always hated debates about evolution on zfgc, 95% of people seem to have no understanding of how it works whatsoever.
Moldrill, let alone that it would take billions of years for a mamal to evolve gills (dolphins breath air), the point of this topic is that we wouldn't need to evolve since technology - boats and floating platforms in this case - would allow us to survive anyway.
I forgot about technology. (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/Smileys/takam/cool.gif)
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I've always hated debates about evolution on zfgc, 95% of people seem to have no understanding of how it works whatsoever.
Moldrill, let alone that it would take billions of years for a mamal to evolve gills (dolphins breath air), the point of this topic is that we wouldn't need to evolve since technology - boats and floating platforms in this case - would allow us to survive anyway.
I forgot about technology. (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/Smileys/takam/cool.gif)
Types the man on the computer.
On another topic, but I don't think humans are going to ever "fly through space to different galaxies" any time soon. I mean, it takes us so much resources just to get to Mars and the closest galaxy is Proxima Centari (I believe) which is like 2 light years away. And since modern science dictates we can't travel faster than the speed of light, even in a hundred years I don't think we will be able to get that far. I think Space Travel is just a futuristic pipe dream.
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I've always hated debates about evolution on zfgc, 95% of people seem to have no understanding of how it works whatsoever.
Moldrill, let alone that it would take billions of years for a mamal to evolve gills (dolphins breath air), the point of this topic is that we wouldn't need to evolve since technology - boats and floating platforms in this case - would allow us to survive anyway.
I forgot about technology. (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/Smileys/takam/cool.gif)
Types the man on the computer.
On another topic, but I don't think humans are going to ever "fly through space to different galaxies" any time soon. I mean, it takes us so much resources just to get to Mars and the closest galaxy is Proxima Centari (I believe) which is like 2 light years away. And since modern science dictates we can't travel faster than the speed of light, even in a hundred years I don't think we will be able to get that far. I think Space Travel is just a futuristic pipe dream.
People used to think that flying was IMPOSSIBLE. Just 100 years ago. Now look at us. Honestly I think we can potentially do anything, with enough time devoted to it. Humans for the win.
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I've always hated debates about evolution on zfgc, 95% of people seem to have no understanding of how it works whatsoever.
Moldrill, let alone that it would take billions of years for a mamal to evolve gills (dolphins breath air), the point of this topic is that we wouldn't need to evolve since technology - boats and floating platforms in this case - would allow us to survive anyway.
I forgot about technology. (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/Smileys/takam/cool.gif)
Types the man on the computer.
On another topic, but I don't think humans are going to ever "fly through space to different galaxies" any time soon. I mean, it takes us so much resources just to get to Mars and the closest galaxy is Proxima Centari (I believe) which is like 2 light years away. And since modern science dictates we can't travel faster than the speed of light, even in a hundred years I don't think we will be able to get that far. I think Space Travel is just a futuristic pipe dream.
Yeah, what Limey said. And the whole "We can't move beyond the speed of light" thing is just based off of theory, shaky theory based off of minimal knowledge. We've not been able to test something like that.
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I've always hated debates about evolution on zfgc, 95% of people seem to have no understanding of how it works whatsoever.
Moldrill, let alone that it would take billions of years for a mamal to evolve gills (dolphins breath air), the point of this topic is that we wouldn't need to evolve since technology - boats and floating platforms in this case - would allow us to survive anyway.
I forgot about technology. (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/Smileys/takam/cool.gif)
Types the man on the computer.
On another topic, but I don't think humans are going to ever "fly through space to different galaxies" any time soon. I mean, it takes us so much resources just to get to Mars and the closest galaxy is Proxima Centari (I believe) which is like 2 light years away. And since modern science dictates we can't travel faster than the speed of light, even in a hundred years I don't think we will be able to get that far. I think Space Travel is just a futuristic pipe dream.
Yeah, what Limey said. And the whole "We can't move beyond the speed of light" thing is just based off of theory, shaky theory based off of minimal knowledge. We've not been able to test something like that.
But it still requires a VERY large amount of energy to do so. I can't remember, I think it might be infinite...
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Some theoretical physicist said it had to be infinite, but I don't believe it. I think he just picked "infinite" because I didn't have anything else to say, since there was no way to calculate or observe it.
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I've always hated debates about evolution on zfgc, 95% of people seem to have no understanding of how it works whatsoever.
Moldrill, let alone that it would take billions of years for a mamal to evolve gills (dolphins breath air), the point of this topic is that we wouldn't need to evolve since technology - boats and floating platforms in this case - would allow us to survive anyway.
I forgot about technology. (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/Smileys/takam/cool.gif)
Types the man on the computer.
On another topic, but I don't think humans are going to ever "fly through space to different galaxies" any time soon. I mean, it takes us so much resources just to get to Mars and the closest galaxy is Proxima Centari (I believe) which is like 2 light years away. And since modern science dictates we can't travel faster than the speed of light, even in a hundred years I don't think we will be able to get that far. I think Space Travel is just a futuristic pipe dream.
Types the man on the computer.
The ability to communicate over something of likes of the internet would have seemed impossible at one time as well, yet most if not all computer advances came within a period of less then a century. Simply because we haven't discovered some critical element that would speed up travel significantly is no reason to dismiss the possibility. A great idiot once said, "Everything that can be invented, has been invented".
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Y'all haven't heard of forced eugenic development, have you?
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Y'all haven't heard of forced eugenic development, have you?
Ummm...
In before Creationalism debate!
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I've always hated debates about evolution on zfgc, 95% of people seem to have no understanding of how it works whatsoever.
Moldrill, let alone that it would take billions of years for a mamal to evolve gills (dolphins breath air), the point of this topic is that we wouldn't need to evolve since technology - boats and floating platforms in this case - would allow us to survive anyway.
I forgot about technology. (http://www.zfgc.com/forum/Smileys/takam/cool.gif)
Types the man on the computer.
On another topic, but I don't think humans are going to ever "fly through space to different galaxies" any time soon. I mean, it takes us so much resources just to get to Mars and the closest galaxy is Proxima Centari (I believe) which is like 2 light years away. And since modern science dictates we can't travel faster than the speed of light, even in a hundred years I don't think we will be able to get that far. I think Space Travel is just a futuristic pipe dream.
Types the man on the computer.
The ability to communicate over something of likes of the internet would have seemed impossible at one time as well, yet most if not all computer advances came within a period of less then a century. Simply because we haven't discovered some critical element that would speed up travel significantly is no reason to dismiss the possibility. A great idiot once said, "Everything that can be invented, has been invented".
I suppose you are right, but people in the past imagined us now with floating cities and stuff like that. I honestly think there may be more important inventions that could possibly transport throughout the universe, but it won't be achieved in slightly the same way as we would imagine (flying through space). I mean, people thought there would be flying cars, but didn't think of the internet. When we think of one thing, something WAY more important will come out of the blue.
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I think the reason people have imagined us (people from 2008) to live in these weird ol' saucers and have robots moving around was because of the rapid growth of technology that was occurring. Also, I think there was something in the "After the Turn of the Millennium" thing that inspired super futuristic ideas.
Still, we ARE in the right path: Already, we are getting robots that can move around, imitate emotions, "learn", and even look lifelike (except for certain movements).
As for flying cars... :/ Our current understanding of Physics probably doesn't allow for the shfancy flying cars from Star Wars. :/
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Y'all haven't heard of forced eugenic development, have you?
Ummm...
In before Creationalism debate!
Haha, I'll take that as a no for you.