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Title: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Swoftu on October 17, 2008, 03:56:57 pm
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Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Walnut on October 17, 2008, 04:02:11 pm
I've always wondered this myself.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Kaede on October 17, 2008, 04:11:14 pm
They both do.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: 4Sword on October 17, 2008, 04:34:12 pm
Assuming she is not adopted, her biological father would walk her down the aisle.  If she were adopted, it would be either of them depending on the flip of a coin to determine who did it or whoever wanted to walk her down the aisle more.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Walnut on October 17, 2008, 04:37:36 pm
Keep it clean guys. Serious topic.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Aliento on October 17, 2008, 04:50:59 pm
Hold on a sec while I edit this post...

Walnut told me there's a good chance I could educate us all based on my beliefs. But to be perfectly honest, I really dont know. I've never been to a gay wedding or a wedding with 2 dads on one side. Or any weddings period!

But, if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say, that they decide for themselves. Maybe they both walk her down! Maybe the girl picks.

Or maybe if they cannot decide the lighter one just sits on the heavier one's shoulders and wears a really long trench coat to make himself look like one really really big and tall dad.

Also, this raises the question: what if the girl has two lesbian moms?
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Kaede on October 17, 2008, 05:11:13 pm
Also, this raises the question: what if the girl has two lesbian moms?

Her grandfather walks her down the aisle (if she has one) or they decide between them/bride chooses

Keep it clean guys. Serious topic.

It has been clean. Including the post which I assume it was you who deleted (which was a little light humour)
& no topic Swiftu posts is 100% serious ...
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Walnut on October 17, 2008, 06:08:55 pm
^ This is the kind of topic that doesn't need humor, its inappropriate. We're leaving it at that.

If there were two lesbian moms, and assuming one isn't artificially inseminated, they'd probably have to decide who'd take the role of the male and who'd take the role of the female. I'm not exactly an expert on weddings though.

And who's to say a new gay ceremony can't be created to accommodate these problems? Does it really have to be totally traditional? I know that Brown vs. Board ruled that separate but equal doesn't fly, but honestly, in some cases, doesn't it make sense to have separate but equal? Men's and women's bathrooms are separate, and I'd call them as equal as they can really get, and they're separated for a necessary societal function. Just sayin'. Discrimination is a good thing, as long as its not done, in a bad way, ya know? Agencies discriminate based on age, and its to protect people and further society.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: 4Sword on October 17, 2008, 06:18:18 pm
Men and women are not physically equal, urinals are not something that work well for women.  The bathrooms example is allowed for convenience of multiple people, for specificity towards gender, etc.  There is still the chance of a gay man looking at a straight man if both are at a urinal, but that is why you can pee in a stall if you are concerned over that.  Common-sense distinction is not the same as discrimination in this regard.  And in any case, natural distinction is alright compared to human distinction which can cross the line; a mentally challenged person should not work on a space ship, a fat obese butterface should not work at Hooters, etc.

Also, gay weddings are amended to fit the difference in their union.  The "husband and wife" is replaced with something like "partners for life".
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Walnut on October 17, 2008, 11:01:01 pm
You have to admit that either way its discrimination. Discrimination doesn't have to be bad--sometimes its necessary. However, in most cases, yes, it is a bad thing.

I'm actually interested in knowing more about gay marriages. Do you know anything else about them 4Sword? Are there are any amendments to the actual ceremony?
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: 4Sword on October 17, 2008, 11:20:32 pm
I still do not think it is discrimination due to physical inequality.  Men use urinals that women would not need as they could not use them and women have tampon stations that they use.  If the bathroom is modern and in a public place, both men's and women's bathrooms have diaper changing stations.  With the difference in body types, and how people of both genders want privacy, rather than creating a bathroom full of everybody, separating them just makes for common sense.  People feel insecure enough as it is, young children should not have to walk into a bathroom with the risk of seeing a grown man's penis, etc.

Discrimination as a term, I guess, is not always of a negative connotation.  All it means is a separation on the grounds of something.  If that separation is unlawful based on civil liberties, then that is wrong.  However, hirings based on certain announced traits if the job itself depends on those traits is not unlawful discrimination because the person is told beforehand that their hiring depends on these traits.  Barring Jews from working at your store though would be discrimination if you were basing that barring on what they were and not what they would be required to do.

Something like barring black people from living in a condominium even if they are able to pay just as everyone else, then that is wrong; however, if they or anyone acted disruptive and caused complaints that could be interpreted as not motivated by the race of the person, then they could be kicked out.  I guess you could get away with some discrimination so long as you kept your opinions hidden so it could not be proven to be based on it.

As for gay marriages, I do not know much more about them other than they change the wording.  As for the original question of this topic, it goes to the biological mother or it just goes to whoever.  The marriage itself is meant to be done as "normally" as possible, it really doesn't deviate that much.  In fact, there are heterosexual weddings that are stranger.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Walnut on October 17, 2008, 11:56:30 pm
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Discrimination as a term, I guess, is not always of a negative connotation.  All it means is a separation on the grounds of something.

That's all I'm saying. We're on the same page here.

And you're telling me about the stranger weddings thing. My brother went to one where everyone had to dress up in medieval attire and talk in old English once.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Moldrill on October 18, 2008, 12:31:58 am
who'd walk her down the aisle? the more feminine one i'd say.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Kaede on October 18, 2008, 09:26:57 am
who'd walk her down the aisle? the more feminine one i'd say.

But there might not be a more feminine one. Then what would they do? :P
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Moldrill on October 18, 2008, 03:36:32 pm
who'd walk her down the aisle? the more feminine one i'd say.

But there might not be a more feminine one. Then what would they do? :P

Whoever was on top? XD
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: TheDarkJay on October 18, 2008, 04:00:58 pm
who'd walk her down the aisle? the more feminine one i'd say.

But there might not be a more feminine one. Then what would they do? :P

Whoever was on top? XD

What if they regularly swapped such positions during their sex life?
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Porkchop on October 18, 2008, 04:03:18 pm
Whoever wears the pants.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Moldrill on October 19, 2008, 12:30:10 am
Whoever wears the pants.

This.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: TheDarkJay on October 19, 2008, 10:10:12 am
Whoever wears the pants.

This.

What if they both do? What if they are equals in the relationship?

Or are your views too stereotypical and your brains too small to comprehend this? ;)
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Mamoruanime on October 19, 2008, 10:26:58 am
Whoever wears the pants.

This.

What if they both do? What if they are equals in the relationship?

Or are your views too stereotypical and your brains too small to comprehend this? ;)

Simple fact of nature... a pair of mates need a dominant and a submissive person. Can't both dominant or both submissive :P Just doesn't work.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Moon_child on October 19, 2008, 11:06:08 am
I suppose it depends on the 2 dads.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Kaede on October 19, 2008, 11:31:31 am
Whoever wears the pants.

This.

What if they both do? What if they are equals in the relationship?

Or are your views too stereotypical and your brains too small to comprehend this? ;)

Simple fact of nature... a pair of mates need a dominant and a submissive person. Can't both dominant or both submissive :P Just doesn't work.

So the dominant one takes the daughter down the aisle? Wont that be unfair for the submissive one?
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: TheDarkJay on October 19, 2008, 11:46:50 am
Whoever wears the pants.

This.

What if they both do? What if they are equals in the relationship?

Or are your views too stereotypical and your brains too small to comprehend this? ;)

Simple fact of nature... a pair of mates need a dominant and a submissive person. Can't both dominant or both submissive :P Just doesn't work.

Yet when you ask each one which is which, both of them usually claim (if the other is absent) to be the dominant one :P

Dad's the boss unless you're asking Mum.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Mamoruanime on October 19, 2008, 11:47:07 am
Whoever wears the pants.

This.

What if they both do? What if they are equals in the relationship?

Or are your views too stereotypical and your brains too small to comprehend this? ;)

Simple fact of nature... a pair of mates need a dominant and a submissive person. Can't both dominant or both submissive :P Just doesn't work.

So the dominant one takes the daughter down the aisle? Wont that be unfair for the submissive one?

Nah not saying that at all; I'm saying there can't be 2 dominants or 2 submissives in a relationship :p it doesn't work that way...

Most typically, the dominant is the male... But in a wedding it's ceremonial, and not based on anything along those lines. I'd just assume the one who takes on the role of the dominant (which again is generally the male) would take the girl down the aisle :p
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: TheDarkJay on October 19, 2008, 11:48:17 am
Most typically, the dominant is the male...

Unless you're asking the female ;)
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Pyru on October 19, 2008, 11:55:15 am
They would reasonably discuss it and make the decision between themselves, based on rational discussion, like any good couple?

Screw dominant and submissive, most good relationships rely on a meeting of equals, who co-operate with one another. Mammy, if you think all relations boil down to dominance... well, that would explain a lot.

Anyway, it's quite often the bride-to-be who asks a father figure to walk her down the aisle; she'd either ask one of them in particular, another man (or even woman), or ask both fathers, and let them decide as I said before.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Tet on October 19, 2008, 09:25:30 pm
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serious topic

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swiftu

Haha, yeah right.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Walnut on October 19, 2008, 09:41:22 pm
They would reasonably discuss it and make the decision between themselves, based on rational discussion, like any good couple?

Screw dominant and submissive, most good relationships rely on a meeting of equals, who co-operate with one another. Mammy, if you think all relations boil down to dominance... well, that would explain a lot.

Anyway, it's quite often the bride-to-be who asks a father figure to walk her down the aisle; she'd either ask one of them in particular, another man (or even woman), or ask both fathers, and let them decide as I said before.

Psychologically speaking, a lot of it has to do with having a dominant and submissive partner. If you have two of each the relationship doesn't work out, through pure psychology.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Pyru on October 19, 2008, 09:44:42 pm
They would reasonably discuss it and make the decision between themselves, based on rational discussion, like any good couple?

Screw dominant and submissive, most good relationships rely on a meeting of equals, who co-operate with one another. Mammy, if you think all relations boil down to dominance... well, that would explain a lot.

Anyway, it's quite often the bride-to-be who asks a father figure to walk her down the aisle; she'd either ask one of them in particular, another man (or even woman), or ask both fathers, and let them decide as I said before.

Psychologically speaking, a lot of it has to do with having a dominant and submissive partner. If you have two of each the relationship doesn't work out, through pure psychology.

It's far too simplistic to boil it down to that; very few people are entirely dominant or submissive in all or even most respects; most people come down somewhere in the middle. Not only that, but even equally "dominant" or "submissive" people aren't doomed to have a failed relationship.

Alternate solutions:
-Daughter is feminist. Refuses to be "given away" at wedding.
-Daughter is lesbian and plays the part of groom.

I'm still thinking of others...
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Walnut on October 19, 2008, 09:47:26 pm
That can be said of almost anything ever in education. Doesn't make it any less applicable.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: TheDarkJay on October 19, 2008, 09:56:12 pm
Well it does depending on the application. You learn in weight = mass * gravity that gravity is 10 at GCSE here, 9.8 at AS and...well, you see the pattern. If you tried to use 10 in a lot of more advanced situations you'd be off my an enormous margin. Education before a certain point is just to get your mind thinking in a certain way, and even up to university degrees rarely shows more than "Hey I'm smart enough to think in this way to a this level of detail at least."

Education dumps things down, but to apply something as effectively as possible you must remove as much of the margin of error as possible.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Mamoruanime on October 20, 2008, 06:30:19 am
They would reasonably discuss it and make the decision between themselves, based on rational discussion, like any good couple?

Screw dominant and submissive, most good relationships rely on a meeting of equals, who co-operate with one another. Mammy, if you think all relations boil down to dominance... well, that would explain a lot.

Anyway, it's quite often the bride-to-be who asks a father figure to walk her down the aisle; she'd either ask one of them in particular, another man (or even woman), or ask both fathers, and let them decide as I said before.

Psychologically speaking, a lot of it has to do with having a dominant and submissive partner. If you have two of each the relationship doesn't work out, through pure psychology.

It's far too simplistic to boil it down to that; very few people are entirely dominant or submissive in all or even most respects; most people come down somewhere in the middle. Not only that, but even equally "dominant" or "submissive" people aren't doomed to have a failed relationship.

Alternate solutions:
-Daughter is feminist. Refuses to be "given away" at wedding.
-Daughter is lesbian and plays the part of groom.

I'm still thinking of others...

The biggest problem with saying "Screw dominant and submissive" is that it's saying "Screw the natural order" :p... The examples listed aren't typically the *natural* order of things, so it's a matter of using your conscience thought to change the way things go in the relationship. Essentially you're fighting naturally occurring thoughts/actions/etc.

The human mind is a very simple, and often primitive machine. As a result, people follow taboo natural patterns. It's because of conscience thought that we can decide to go out of the normal and fight the urges to follow nature.

But... we've drifted from the topic at hand considering we're discussing psychological idiosyncratic routines for something that is little more than ceremonial :P


Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Porkchop on October 20, 2008, 12:38:03 pm
Men = Work.
Women = Make me a sandwich.

There's definitely dominant and submissive.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Pyru on October 20, 2008, 12:40:42 pm
Men = Work.
Women = Make me a sandwich.

There's definitely dominant and submissive.

Not really. In a "traditional" relationship like that, the homemaker (usually a woman) chooses the domestic arrangements; not only what you eat, but you when you eat it, amongst many other things, while the money-earner is effectively in servitude to his or her job and forced into a linear daily schedule with little or no freedom within those hours.

Sounds to me like the man's the !@#$%. :P
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Kaede on October 20, 2008, 03:11:47 pm
Men = Work.
Women = Make me a sandwich.

There's definitely dominant and submissive.

Not really. In a "traditional" relationship like that, the homemaker (usually a woman) chooses the domestic arrangements; not only what you eat, but you when you eat it, amongst many other things, while the money-earner is effectively in servitude to his or her job and forced into a linear daily schedule with little or no freedom within those hours.

Sounds to me like the man's the !@#$%. :P

Apart from it's the man that beats his wife cos she isnt cooking damn well fast enough and he's hungry.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Porkchop on October 20, 2008, 03:55:58 pm
Men = Work.
Women = Make me a sandwich.

There's definitely dominant and submissive.

Not really. In a "traditional" relationship like that, the homemaker (usually a woman) chooses the domestic arrangements; not only what you eat, but you when you eat it, amongst many other things, while the money-earner is effectively in servitude to his or her job and forced into a linear daily schedule with little or no freedom within those hours.

Sounds to me like the man's the !@#$%. :P

Apart from it's the man that beats his wife cos she isnt cooking damn well fast enough and he's hungry.

Exactly. Kaede understands.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Pyru on October 20, 2008, 03:58:55 pm
Men = Work.
Women = Make me a sandwich.

There's definitely dominant and submissive.

Not really. In a "traditional" relationship like that, the homemaker (usually a woman) chooses the domestic arrangements; not only what you eat, but you when you eat it, amongst many other things, while the money-earner is effectively in servitude to his or her job and forced into a linear daily schedule with little or no freedom within those hours.

Sounds to me like the man's the !@#$%. :P

Apart from it's the man that beats his wife cos she isnt cooking damn well fast enough and he's hungry.

Exactly. Kaede understands.

Because she beats her deadbeat wife all the time because she's such a damn !@#$% who never does any work.

And because men never ever suffer domestic abuse at the hands of their wives. Oh no.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Porkchop on October 20, 2008, 04:01:34 pm
Because she beats her deadbeat wife all the time because she's such a damn !@#$% who never does any work.

And because men never ever suffer domestic abuse at the hands of their wives. Oh no.

XFD Because you thought I was serious.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Kaede on October 20, 2008, 04:44:40 pm
Because she beats her deadbeat wife all the time because she's such a damn !@#$% who never does any work.

And because men never ever suffer domestic abuse at the hands of their wives. Oh no.

XFD Because you thought I was serious.

I wasnt being serious either :P of course men suffer domestic abuse as well.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Pyru on October 20, 2008, 04:52:22 pm
Because she beats her deadbeat wife all the time because she's such a damn !@#$% who never does any work.

And because men never ever suffer domestic abuse at the hands of their wives. Oh no.

XFD Because you thought I was serious.

Of course it's serious; have you never met Kaede's wife? She's got bruises all over her. I feel sorry for the poor woman, but it's her own bloody fault; she's the only person I've met who takes a week to make spaghetti.

Yay for people on the internet completely misunderstanding the use and application of saracasm. -__-
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Kaede on October 20, 2008, 04:57:40 pm
Because she beats her deadbeat wife all the time because she's such a damn !@#$% who never does any work.

And because men never ever suffer domestic abuse at the hands of their wives. Oh no.

XFD Because you thought I was serious.

Of course it's serious; have you never met Kaede's wife? She's got bruises all over her. I feel sorry for the poor woman, but it's her own bloody fault; she's the only person I've met who takes a week to make spaghetti.

Yay for people on the internet completely misunderstanding the use and application of saracasm. -__-

What do you expect when I come home from work expecting my dinner and all I get is CHEESE SANDWICHES. (because she's still cooking the spaghetti for yesterday's dinner)
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Aliento on October 20, 2008, 11:59:36 pm
This line of conversation leaves me unable to think of anything else except,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/americanto/lotsaspaghetti.png)
I HOPE SHE MADE LOTSA SPAGHETTI, OR I'M AFRAID I'M GONNA HAVE TO BEAT THE !@#$% OUT OF HER.

<DJvenom> Fixed.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: DJvenom on October 21, 2008, 05:40:13 am
I totally didn't see this topic going this direction.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: Bludleef on October 21, 2008, 05:45:51 am
I have actually been to a wedding with this situation. They both walked her down the isle. So yeah.
Title: Re: If a girl has 2 gay dads...who walks her down the aisle?
Post by: शेफाली on October 21, 2008, 06:22:34 am
I have actually been to a wedding with this situation. They both walked her down the isle. So yeah.

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