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Re: I hope you've read GM7's EULA..
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2007, 03:45:36 pm »
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SO! Who wants to learn C# & SDL.NET? Anybody? :D I'm gonna teach how to use FusionScript with it :D!
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There's such a double standard about religion in the modern world. Catholics can gather, wear white robes, and say "In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti" and be considered normal.

But if my friends and I gather, wear black robes, and say  "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn", we're considered cultists.
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2007, 03:54:49 pm »
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SO! Who wants to learn C# & SDL.NET? Anybody? :D I'm gonna teach how to use FusionScript with it :D!

Yay, let's demote YoYo Games and promote Binary Phoenix :D!

Nah, I'd rather learn BlitzMAX and make my own properly-free GameMaker equivelant ::). Then release it, to the public <__<
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2007, 04:09:35 pm »
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Binary Phoenix is better though :D

1) Infinitus runs it. 2) He's not a money-grubbing assmunch who makes *crappy* game development software. 3) His game development stuff is more efficient and cooler, 4) Binary Phoenix sounds cooler than Yo Yo games, 5) Blitz languages suck <_<
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There's such a double standard about religion in the modern world. Catholics can gather, wear white robes, and say "In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti" and be considered normal.

But if my friends and I gather, wear black robes, and say  "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn", we're considered cultists.
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2007, 04:13:57 pm »
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To hell with giving credit to Yo Yo games.
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2007, 04:15:40 pm »
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Binary Phoenix is better though :D

1) Infinitus runs it. 2) He's not a money-grubbing assmunch who makes *crappy* game development software. 3) His game development stuff is more efficient and cooler, 4) Binary Phoenix sounds cooler than Yo Yo games, 5) Blitz languages suck <_<
^ Damn Straight :P

And yeah it's a good time to learn a new language.  Still waiting on your next tutorial MadK :P
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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2007, 04:23:27 pm »
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I agree with all of MaNalien's points except 1 and 5.
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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2007, 04:30:51 pm »
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@ Sol

Yeah we know it's down, Infinitus has been really busy lately and he's trying to redo/update the site.  Patience, patience.  It'll be worth it.


Well yeah GM, defiantly has taken a big hit in it's member population.  Almost everybody I know who uses/used it has gone on to something else or is going to.
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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2007, 04:31:57 pm »
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Speaking of Binary Phoenix. The site's currently undergoing a redesign so we can't access it >_<

Yeah, but at least the new theme looks awesome. A short while ago all I saw was a page called Errors aplenty, and it was blank and said something about renovation <__<.

Anyway, back on subject... what can YoYo do, if they don't know we're using GM7? I'm downloading an EXE compressor, mwahahaha...
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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2007, 04:37:32 pm »
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Sorry about that, personal problems & I've been busy with ZFGC and Dayjo Aspen Games x-X;

It's in progress, though, I've got it started up, I'll release it soon :D

And wait... doesn't Infinitus run BP? <___<
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There's such a double standard about religion in the modern world. Catholics can gather, wear white robes, and say "In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti" and be considered normal.

But if my friends and I gather, wear black robes, and say  "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn", we're considered cultists.
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Sorry about that, personal problems & I've been busy with ZFGC and Dayjo Aspen Games x-X;

It's in progress, though, I've got it started up, I'll release it soon :D

And wait... doesn't Infinitus run BP? <___<

Yeah. I was only disagreeing with your first point because I don't think that should make any difference. Sorry for the confusion >__<
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The reason it makes a difference to me is that Infinitus knows how to run things and is a great developer <_<
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There's such a double standard about religion in the modern world. Catholics can gather, wear white robes, and say "In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti" and be considered normal.

But if my friends and I gather, wear black robes, and say  "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn", we're considered cultists.
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Re: I hope you've read GM7's EULA..
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2007, 07:15:08 pm »
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BEACHTE: Zelda ist ein Markezeichen von Nintendo! Das heisst, dass das Recht immernoch bei Nintendo steht! Dies muss im Spiel, am besten auf der Titelseite stehen.

Means :

If you write that your Nintendo Game isn´t sponsored or maked it is legal !
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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2007, 07:26:29 pm »
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Well, if you read the entire topic, Sandy posted to say that as long as our activities are legal, we are encouraged to keep working on our games as we have been before, and that YoYo Games are working out a clearer EULA with their lawyer.
Sure they are. You just keep thinking that and make "your" games. Just don't come crying to me or Venus when they interfere.
Dude, there's no need to be so assuming and rude. None of my current game projects use stolen resources, and the people at YoYo Games are (ex) professionals. They've seen what reaction their new EULA has gotten, if they say they're working a new one out, then for now, I believe them. And why would I cry to you or Venus? You obviously have no sympathy.
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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2007, 09:54:14 pm »
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This is not a problem with stealing resources from Nintendo. This is a problem that YoYo Games can claim the rights of YOUR game (the part of the game that is your copyright). In the EULA it also states a lot of other weird things. All three quotes I have read in this thread are sick. The things that you have to give credit is the least thing to worry about. The worst part is that they may take your work and sell it themselves.

Could someone post the whole EULA?
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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2007, 09:59:00 pm »
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Ahh, the result of an awesome product bought out by a company who's scared shitless they'll get sued over something they cannot control.
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Ahh, the result of an awesome product bought out by a company who's scared shitless they'll get sued over something they cannot control.

OR, a power-hungry company that wants to be able to sell software they didn't even make?
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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2007, 11:56:56 pm »
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Hey Venus can you show me the quote where it states that they own your game?
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2.1. You agree and acknowledge that all right, title, interest and ownership rights in any and all copyright, design right, database right, patents and any rights to inventions, know-how, trade and business names, trade secrets and trade marks (whether registered or unregistered) and any applications therefor and other intellectual property rights ("Intellectual Property Rights"), in or connected with the Software and any and all copies thereof (including in particular but not limited to any data, database, designs, titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogues, catch phrases, places, concepts, artwork, animation, sounds, music, audio-visual effects, text, methods of operation, moral rights and any related documentation) are owned by YoYo Games. All such rights of YoYo Games are hereby asserted and reserved.

Assuming this quote is correct (I have not read the EULA in the program).

At least, that's how I interpret it. And in any case they can always find a way to it, since, like I said, you embed your game in their software. Your only option then is to not embed your game with the software. But that also means you can't distribute the game at all, unless you find another way to run the game, which will be hard since, guess what, only YoYo Games provide you with a runner!

And in any case. The license is too limiting in other ways. As I said, I don't recommend using Game Maker for a lot of reasons. And someone has to make a program that ports GM games to something else, so that all work put into it still can be used.
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« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2007, 01:11:57 am »
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This, is the downfall of GM. I was talking about the EULA in the one topic but apparently I had no "proof" because GM wasn't even OUT yet. I guess my prediction was right for once. >_<
Hmm... I am using GM 5.3a/b/c right now, and I'm never changing. Doesn't this cancel me out of this EULA? Or does it say something about past versions somewhere...
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2.1. You agree and acknowledge that all right, title, interest and ownership rights in any and all copyright, design right, database right, patents and any rights to inventions, know-how, trade and business names, trade secrets and trade marks (whether registered or unregistered) and any applications therefor and other intellectual property rights ("Intellectual Property Rights"), in or connected with the Software and any and all copies thereof (including in particular but not limited to any data, database, designs, titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogues, catch phrases, places, concepts, artwork, animation, sounds, music, audio-visual effects, text, methods of operation, moral rights and any related documentation) are owned by YoYo Games. All such rights of YoYo Games are hereby asserted and reserved.

Assuming this quote is correct (I have not read the EULA in the program).

At least, that's how I interpret it. And in any case they can always find a way to it, since, like I said, you embed your game in their software. Your only option then is to not embed your game with the software. But that also means you can't distribute the game at all, unless you find another way to run the game, which will be hard since, guess what, only YoYo Games provide you with a runner!

And in any case. The license is too limiting in other ways. As I said, I don't recommend using Game Maker for a lot of reasons. And someone has to make a program that ports GM games to something else, so that all work put into it still can be used.
Considering what Sandy said, it's safe to assume that that part of the license does not attempt to say that the games are "connected with" the Software. So no, they don't own anything in your game except the code that was written by them.

Could someone post the whole EULA?
Quote from: GM7 EULA

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If you do not accept these terms you may not use the Software or continue with the installation and you must not install, use or run the Software on this or any other computer.
If you are in any doubt please contact YoYo Games (details below).

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This Licence Agreement and the rights granted by it do not give you any title or ownership in the Software and should not be construed as a sale or transfer of any intellectual property rights in or to the Software.

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In each case "use" of this Software shall be to create computer games ("Games").
The Games you create with the Software may be used by you as you wish without payment of any licence fee or royalty PROVIDED THAT such Games comply with these Terms including without limitation as set out in clause 3 below.
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Ahh, the result of an awesome product bought out by a company who's scared shitless they'll get sued over something they cannot control.
Actually, it's just a badly written EULA. I'm convinced that the majority of things that people are worried about were not intended by YoYo games to be interpreted in the way that they are being.

This, is the downfall of GM. I was talking about the EULA in the one topic but apparently I had no "proof" because GM wasn't even OUT yet. I guess my prediction was right for once. >_<
Hmm... I am using GM 5.3a/b/c right now, and I'm never changing. Doesn't this cancel me out of this EULA? Or does it say something about past versions somewhere...
Nope. Since you downloaded what is technically a separate piece of software with a separate EULA, you're only bound to that EULA. This one doesn't apply to you.
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