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A homeowner was arrested after a burglar plunged from the balcony of his top-floor flat and later died in hospital.

The intruder suffered head injuries and died in hospital after falling around 30ft on to a concrete path.

Patrick Walsh, 56, awoke to find an intruder in his flat on Corkland Road in Chorlton-cum-Hardy, south Manchester.

Police say "following an exchange of words" the 43-year-old suspect fell from the fourth floor window on to the pavement below.

He suffered massive injuries from the fall, at around 6.10am on Monday.

The man was taken to Manchester Royal Infirmary with serious head injuries before being transferred to Hope Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at about 11am today.

Police conducted a detailed forensic examination of the flat after the incident.

Walsh was arrested on suspicion of causing serious bodily harm and bailed until November pending further police inquirers.

His solicitor, Victor Wozny, said today: "My client is not at liberty to say anything because he is under police bail.

"However we appreciate that the public view might be that this is a man arrested in his own home defending his own property."

A spokeswoman for Greater Manchester Police said, "Inquiries are ongoing to establish the circumstances surrounding this incident.

"A 56-year-old man from Chorlton has been arrested on suspicion of section 18 assault and bailed, pending further inquiries."

The pair argued and the confrontation moved towards the rear window of the flat.

It is believed the intruder then smashed the window and clambered out on to a narrow ledge and fell to the ground.

Mr Walsh phoned police and at around 6.30am officers found the man on the ground outside the smart Victorian apartment block in Chorlton-cum-Hardy,

He was taken to hospital with serious head injuries.

Officers arrested Mr Walsh on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm with intent and are trying to establish whether the intruder was forced out of the window.

The arrest is expected to fuel arguments about the rights of householders to defend themselves against burglars.

Patrick Walsh

Under suspicion: Patrick Walsh yesterday

The issue has been high on the law and order agenda since farmer Tony Martin was jailed for shooting dead a burglar in 1999.

Following the Martin affair the Crown Prosecution Service and the Association of Chief Police Officers said any householder can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime.

A neighbour said: "Police arrived in what seemed to be minutes and were there for the whole day.

"It's shocking to find out what has happened but people shouldn't break into other people's houses."

Another resident said: "I presume we will have to respect the burglar's rights while his victim has the nightmare of court hanging over his head. It all seems so unfair."

A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police said they had been called following reports that an intruder had fallen from a top-floor flat.

"Following an exchange of words, the alleged burglar was found unconscious on the pavement outside the flat.

"It is believed that he had fallen from the fourth-floor window."

Mr Walsh has been released on bail until November. If charged and convicted he could face a life sentence.

after all these topics with people saying only in America, LOL ENGLAND

also,

Patrick Walsh, 56, awoke to find an intruder in his flat on Corkland Road in Chorlton-cum-Hardy, south Manchester.

lolz

[bertfallen]

bertfallen

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also,

Patrick Walsh, 56, awoke to find an intruder in his flat on Corkland Road in Chorlton-cum-Hardy, south Manchester.

lolz

Thats nothing, near where I live theres a place called Man-Love, Cockshot, and in Scotland theres a place called Twatt.

[Theforeshadower]

Theforeshadower

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OMG...I guess if someone breaks into your home...the right thing to do anymore is let the steal,rape,pillage,murder, or anything else they want to do to you.

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[Drewdelz]

Drewdelz

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Thank God I live in Canada.
!@#$% like this would never fly.

[Pyru]

Pyru

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OMG...I guess if someone breaks into your home...the right thing to do anymore is let the steal,rape,pillage,murder, or anything else they want to do to you.

Arrested, not charged or convicted. BIG difference.

We have a little thing over here called "The due process of law". One of the things to do with that means that if someone dies in suspicious circumstances - falls off a balcony in the early morning, for instance - then suspects are arrested are questioned.

Just because someone has broken into your home doesn't mean you have the right to throw them 30ft onto a concrete surface. The only acceptable circumstance for killing someone in this country is explicitly for self-defence, when you believe that your own life is in immediate, express danger if you do not.

[bertfallen]

bertfallen

Re: UK: Homeowner Arrested After the Burglar He ...

OMG...I guess if someone breaks into your home...the right thing to do anymore is let the steal,rape,pillage,murder, or anything else they want to do to you.

Arrested, not charged or convicted. BIG difference.

We have a little thing over here called "The due process of law". One of the things to do with that means that if someone dies in suspicious circumstances - falls off a balcony in the early morning, for instance - then suspects are arrested are questioned.

Just because someone has broken into your home doesn't mean you have the right to throw them 30ft onto a concrete surface. The only acceptable circumstance for killing someone in this country is explicitly for self-defence, when you believe that your own life is in immediate, express danger if you do not.

Its still a gray area then.

[Drewdelz]

Drewdelz

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Just because someone has broken into your home doesn't mean you have the right to throw them 30ft onto a concrete surface. The only acceptable circumstance for killing someone in this country is explicitly for self-defence, when you believe that your own life is in immediate, express danger if you do not.

So what are you suposta do? Wait until they pull out a gun and shoot you 3 times before you're allowed to take action?

If any mother !@#$% wants to break into my house, and take my !@#$%.
I ain't gonna ask questions, I'm gonna shoot the !@#$% smoker.

[Pyru]

Pyru

Re: UK: Homeowner Arrested After the Burglar He ...

OMG...I guess if someone breaks into your home...the right thing to do anymore is let the steal,rape,pillage,murder, or anything else they want to do to you.

Arrested, not charged or convicted. BIG difference.

We have a little thing over here called "The due process of law". One of the things to do with that means that if someone dies in suspicious circumstances - falls off a balcony in the early morning, for instance - then suspects are arrested are questioned.

Just because someone has broken into your home doesn't mean you have the right to throw them 30ft onto a concrete surface. The only acceptable circumstance for killing someone in this country is explicitly for self-defence, when you believe that your own life is in immediate, express danger if you do not.

Its still a gray area then.

Which is why he's been arrested, so they can question him.

Just because someone has broken into your home doesn't mean you have the right to throw them 30ft onto a concrete surface. The only acceptable circumstance for killing someone in this country is explicitly for self-defence, when you believe that your own life is in immediate, express danger if you do not.

So what are you suposta do? Wait until they pull out a gun and shoot you 3 times before you're allowed to take action?

If any mother !@#$% wants to break into my house, and take my !@#$%.
I ain't gonna ask questions, I'm gonna shoot the !@#$% smoker.

We have this little thing where almost all guns are illegal. It's quite useful in preventing almost all gun crime. You're allowed to defend yourself, but killing someone is something else. You get down a slippery slope when you say "Oh, he broke in, it's cool, you can kill him" - I mean, then you get into all kindsa stuff.

[bertfallen]

bertfallen

Re: UK: Homeowner Arrested After the Burglar He ...

Just because someone has broken into your home doesn't mean you have the right to throw them 30ft onto a concrete surface. The only acceptable circumstance for killing someone in this country is explicitly for self-defence, when you believe that your own life is in immediate, express danger if you do not.

So what are you suposta do? Wait until they pull out a gun and shoot you 3 times before you're allowed to take action?

If any mother !@#$% wants to break into my house, and take my !@#$%.
I ain't gonna ask questions, I'm gonna shoot the !@#$% smoker.

Which is why England is a far more safer place then America.

[cpprograms]

cpprograms

Re: UK: Homeowner Arrested After the Burglar He ...

OMG...I guess if someone breaks into your home...the right thing to do anymore is let the steal,rape,pillage,murder, or anything else they want to do to you.

Arrested, not charged or convicted. BIG difference.

We have a little thing over here called "The due process of law". One of the things to do with that means that if someone dies in suspicious circumstances - falls off a balcony in the early morning, for instance - then suspects are arrested are questioned.

Just because someone has broken into your home doesn't mean you have the right to throw them 30ft onto a concrete surface. The only acceptable circumstance for killing someone in this country is explicitly for self-defence, when you believe that your own life is in immediate, express danger if you do not.

You fail to mention the guy was probably thrown in jail for a while and now has a bunch of rediculous restrictions placed on him for no reason. You also fail to mention that he just had a few thousand (or ten thousand or 100 thousand in some cases) dollars "borrowed" from him by the government as bail money.

Sometimes I wonder why the saying "innocent until proven guilty" was ever put into use, it really doesn't seem to exist anywhere. The US is probably worse than England here, but then again I don't know

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[bertfallen]

bertfallen

Re: UK: Homeowner Arrested After the Burglar He ...

OMG...I guess if someone breaks into your home...the right thing to do anymore is let the steal,rape,pillage,murder, or anything else they want to do to you.

Arrested, not charged or convicted. BIG difference.

We have a little thing over here called "The due process of law". One of the things to do with that means that if someone dies in suspicious circumstances - falls off a balcony in the early morning, for instance - then suspects are arrested are questioned.

Just because someone has broken into your home doesn't mean you have the right to throw them 30ft onto a concrete surface. The only acceptable circumstance for killing someone in this country is explicitly for self-defence, when you believe that your own life is in immediate, express danger if you do not.

You fail to mention the guy was probably thrown in jail for a while and now has a bunch of rediculous restrictions placed on him for no reason. You also fail to mention that he just had a few thousand (or ten thousand or 100 thousand in some cases) dollars "borrowed" from him by the government as bail money.

Sometimes I wonder why the saying "innocent until proven guilty" was ever put into use, it really doesn't seem to exist anywhere. The US is probably worse than England here, but then again I don't know

Holding Cell, Not Jail, slight difference.