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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2006, 01:11:50 am »
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People are rightly justified in opposing an opinion that is blunt, outspoken, and over-generalized.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2006, 01:12:55 am »
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People in the world today can't take frankness.

"Frankness" implies truthful, factual evidence. 

Not opinion.
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2006, 01:14:23 am »
Since when are blanket statements that basically tell people what they think is wrong 'frankness'

Granted, sometimes people can be wrong. When you make a blanket statement like this though and call everyone wrong you run into problems. I for one verify 99% of the things I post before I post so I know I am right. It is true, most posts you will see on this forum are baised but at the same time most are true too. You know what though, it is downright stupid to think you can find a bunch of unbaised people on a forum that focuses on Zelda games. So live with it.
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2006, 04:01:03 am »
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TP, your own post was fanboyish.  The analog stick actually isn't a miniature joystick.  An analog stick can tell how far it has been moved from the center unlike earlier made joysticks.  Earlier joysticks were digital; they only had 4 or 8 directional output with on/off.  The vectrex was the first console to implement it.  Nintendo released an improved version when it released the N64 in 1996.  Sony released their dual analog controller in late 1997.  I just don't think Sony would've added an analog stick or tilt sensing if Nintendo didn't do what they did.  You're comparing three different shots.  If you want to have a completely valid comparison (you act like your comparison is), get the exact same shot on each console in real resolution.  Even then, the game isn't designed exactly the same.  Ports usually favor the console they were initially created for.
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2006, 04:29:40 am »
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Back to Microsoft..they stole the X-Box 360 controller design. Compare a 360 controller to a Dreamcast controller, minus the VMU. Yep..Microsoft = theif.
Unluess you have no brain in yhour skull you'd know that the creater of the Dreamcast helped work on the 360 cause he moved to Microsoft...and also

the 3 pics of Sonic Heroes all have horrible graphics that are basically the same on all 3 consoles.
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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2006, 06:00:37 am »
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I agree with EVERYTHING, but I believe the XBOX controller is perfect as it is.
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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2006, 06:15:48 am »
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I agree as well. There's been a lot of stealing  ;D
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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2006, 10:49:51 am »
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I don't care about graphics, honestly, because I want the game to be FUN! You don't buy a game because it looks nice, you buy a game because you're going to enjoy it. And while graphics contribute to the enjoyment factor, Nintendo's graphics aren't so bad as to make it less enjoyable. I think the PSP sucks because mostly all of its games are ports, its expensive, and I'd rather play the DS because you can play games differently than using DPad and Buttons all the time.

Nintendo=INNOVATION
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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2006, 12:54:39 pm »
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Araknid just sais everything I think.

And this can go two ways.

One, Nintendo was over excitied and the controller really didnt make it with the public. And lots of people thought it just was too tiresome or annoying (even though Shiggy, in a press conference, said that all the controller movement can be done much simpler, but makes it less fun and active)

Two, Nintendo is the only console that is totally new, people want to try it, and sales of Nintendo go sky rocket. Since the console is the cheapest everyone can buy it really. I mean seriously, this system is NEW! Who cares about the same old controllers again and again? Innovate!
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2006, 01:21:36 pm »
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Agreed'd with Kleaver. Plus, I reckon the Wii will get a thumbs up from the healthy living organizations around the world, as many of its titles encourage active movement while playing. Tennis and soccer/footfall/rugby/whatever in particular. Plus, where are consoles going to go once graphics are so good they're photoreal in-game? After that, only storage will change if all developers take the line of the majority of console developers in the past. Nintendo has constantly refined and improved gameplay; one needs only look at their sucessive controller designs to see that much at least. Sony has stuck with the same controller design for three generations. The only major addition has been analogue sticks, and the at-the-last-minute addition of motion (read- tilt) sensors. I mean, even the analogue sticks were added to PSX, just after Nintendo revealed they had a single analogue stick on the N64. I can recall a mag saying that in an early Tomb Raider game, Lara Croft steered like a "drunken cow in steel capped boots". This was because the game was designed to be played with the directional buttons.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong; but N64 owners have had a lot of fun with their cartridges! Glitches For The WIN!
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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2006, 01:41:07 pm »
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I don't care about graphics, honestly, because I want the game to be FUN! You don't buy a game because it looks nice, you buy a game because you're going to enjoy it. And while graphics contribute to the enjoyment factor, Nintendo's graphics aren't so bad as to make it less enjoyable. I think the PSP sucks because mostly all of its games are ports, its expensive, and I'd rather play the DS because you can play games differently than using DPad and Buttons all the time.

Nintendo=INNOVATION
Correct, I agree with everything. But I think it's stupid to say "D'uh, it's better than that" or "D'ah, that's stolen!" Why would I care if it was stolen? Why would I care what others think? I enjoy my Nintendo, I stopped saying "Sony is ugly", since I enjoyed playing PS2 at my friend's as well. In my opinion we all don't have to give a f*ck, and just let it go.

Why do you play a game?
a) Because it's fun to play and it's a hobby and a thing that you can talk about with others.
b) Because I want to show other people how stupid, ugly, old, bad, stinky and absolutely loosing their consoles are.



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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2006, 05:56:10 pm »
Araknid just sais everything I think.

And this can go two ways.

One, Nintendo was over excitied and the controller really didnt make it with the public. And lots of people thought it just was too tiresome or annoying (even though Shiggy, in a press conference, said that all the controller movement can be done much simpler, but makes it less fun and active)

Two, Nintendo is the only console that is totally new, people want to try it, and sales of Nintendo go sky rocket. Since the console is the cheapest everyone can buy it really. I mean seriously, this system is NEW! Who cares about the same old controllers again and again? Innovate!
Yeah i agree..


also if a company can't innovate...then they shouldn't make consoles[or in some cases games at all]
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2006, 06:18:56 pm »
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As EA has shown, innovation isnt needed to make successful games. Too many consumers will buy the same game again and again for that new player, or an extra frame in the hair animation, as long as the game has a different number after its title.
Its funny how they even release games for years, a year in advance.

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I agree with EVERYTHING, but I believe the XBOX controller is perfect as it is.
I only ever use Xbox controllers rarely (eg: at freinds), so really i dont have experience with them. But i do know that evertime i go to use them again, ive forgotten what does what (especially with the sticks).

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Sony has stuck with the same controller design for three generations. The only major addition has been analogue sticks, and the at-the-last-minute addition of motion (read- tilt) sensors.
Some people would (this is just a point - not coming from me but rather what i believe others would say etc..) say that is a great thing: Being able to use their old controllers, and already knowing and being used to the shape and configuration.
They might say 'if it aint broke, dont fix it', though the Playstation controllers incredibly small, and i want back the blood my hands have lost to it.


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A few reasons why the PSP is better than the DS:

1. Better, newer hardware.
2. The ability to play music, movies, etc.
3. Easy-to-use design.


One, only reason why the DS is better than the PSP:

1. Touch screen.
Funny that.

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Better, newer hardware.
I suppose the Dreamcast was better than the N64, and the N64 better than the Ps1?
Even the Xbox was like a lesser dreamcast with improved memory subject to the cheapness at the time.

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2. The ability to play music, movies, etc.
This is good: Playing movies while on a bus etc.
But, well, the screens small. Big for the handheld, but still too quite for me to watch movies on.
I'd rather listen to music on the bus,, than be plugged into a small movie screen, every other brit feeling uncomfortable with my occasional burst of laughter.
Really though i'd rather be playing a game on a games device than watching a movie, while sitting waiting. A: a game can be picked up and put down at much shorter intervals, and b: A game is more suitable on a small screen. 'Some might say' "Games for my games console"

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3. Easy-to-use design.
Ease of use was slightly sacraficed for a larger screen, buttons on edge.
The point in the touch screen and stylus was to make using games more intuitive to already existing tasks => easy.

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4. Widescreen.
Just one?

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Technically, Nintendo stole using compact discs. Sony did it first.
As shadow_caliber pointed out, the Playstation was originally going to be an addon for the SNES.  So originally Nintendo was going to use CDs.  They apparently decided not to, and therefore the N64 used cartridges.  You are right though - the PS1 was the first major console to actually use CDs.  The only question is the origin of the idea.
Ive a Snes Force magazine from 1992 infront of me, with a picture of a Snes with a disc hatch in perfect replace of the cartridge slot. Ok it was a crappy laserdisc, but as CDs were going to taking over, there was an obvious step to be taken next.

Nintendo decided not to introduce horribly long loading times into the market, as they believed it wouldnt be tolerated.
They were wrong.
I once read a (rather hefty) book on the design of computer games: Quote: "The Playstation was quite possibly the most effectively advertised product in existance".
It was, afterall, the worst piece of hardware of its generation. But everyone saw it as the 'next generation', because thats what they told everyone.
I suppose they are doing the same again, only with the mistake of uber-high prices. Who knows how it'll go.

Im getting a Wii. My brother'll probably get a DS soon, and well get (maybe another and play each other) Phantom hourglass when its released, Mariokart, Hunters etc.
My other brother will probably get a PS3 or 360 anyway, so i suppose i dont have to worry, but either way i'll be happy: My choice this time around is Nintendo.
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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2006, 01:55:36 am »
lol @ the fanboys posting in this topic already :p

I agree with most of what was said in the first post... But I don't think the Xbox controller is too big for everyone.  Especially since they re-deisned the controller a long time ago.
ARE YOU CALLING ME A FANBOY?!? >:(
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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2006, 06:18:39 pm »
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You can't really say which system is better than this system or that system.
You can say Sony is a better specs, better graphics, more RPG but that doesn't mean it's a so called BETTER system. If i like SNES and it's my favorite system which i play everyday i can say it's better then PS2 just because i like the system and the games better.
Everyone can make a system their favorites, i can favorite Sony's system or Nintendo's systems. You can't really say PSP is better than DS just for it's specs. I mean look at the sales in different countries.
We don't really know if SONY really stole Nintendo's idea, but we only assume that cause SONY liked Nintendo's idea for the joystick on N64 and copied it.
Every system has their own pros and cons.
PSP you said has good games, Maybe they are really good and fun games but it doesn't mean everyone likes or prefer those kinds of games. Doesn't mean PSP > DS
DS however is prefered by most people when it comes to games and price, even though it doesn't have that much of a good specs of hardware. Doesn't mean DS > PSP either.
Nintendo: Good fun, family games, party games, graphics are pretty good, affordable price. Trying to achieve a different gameplay in the game industry
Sony: More feature as a gaming console. Good graphics, more mature/RPG games. Good specs. Some what expensive
XBox: More feature as a video game console. Alot of sports games, good graphics, more adult-like kinds of games. Somewhat expensive
Don't tell others to shut up about their own thoughts, everyone has its freedom of thoughts and speech. It's just a video systems which is made by different companies and can be favorite by different kinds of people. I have to agree with you, TP about some points but i can't say everything you said is right.
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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2006, 07:04:02 pm »
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I can't stop lolling at this topic.
Why does it matter if they stole an idea? If anything, it just adds to the gameplay of the games to the corresponding consoles.

Is there anything bad about that?



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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2006, 11:43:29 pm »
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'fanboy' is how you refer to us(or me at least)?
first off, there is nothing wrong with being a fanboy.
It also seems you are  a 'fanboy' of sony, so don't use it like it's an insult(that's how it came off to me.

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People in the world today can't take frankness.
This is what one would say when he or she has been disproven.
I don't see anybody not being able to handle your "Frankness", everybody is giving you there opinions. The way you say it you make it sound like "People in the world today can't take the facts."
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I can't stop lolling at this topic.
Why does it matter if they stole an idea? If anything, it just adds to the gameplay of the games to the corresponding consoles.
Is there anything bad about that?
You are a smart man.
I could not have said it so intelligently.

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A few reasons why the PSP is better than the DS:

1. Better, newer hardware.
2. The ability to play music, movies, etc.
3. Easy-to-use design.
4. Widescreen.
concerning 1 and 2:If nintendo wanted to make a portable computer, they would have.
concerning 3:Um...The ds design is alot easier to work (mostly because there's not alot you need to do with it).

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One abbreviation: STFU!

PLEASE DO. Especially those Nintendo fanboys out there. Nintendo fanboys always defend fact and mince words in order to make Nintendo go on top in their little dream world.
I'm just wondering why you come to a zelda communtiy and you expect to rip on nintendo and get away with it...I think you should think about what I said, especially the part about you being a sony fanboy.
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