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[Koh]

Koh

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

You're clearly missing the point.  It has nothing to do with the Pokemon.  It's about how they're shaping out the world, and letting the player traverse it.

i think your missing the point. have you even played the black or white, or black/white 2?

Yes, I have fully completed Black and I was disappointed in how little you can actually explore, because they're constantly railroading you to the next area.  The path to the Pokemon League (before clearing it the first time) was literally a straight line.  This is unacceptable; what happened to EXPLORING?  One could argue since you haven't been in the area before, even if it is a straight line, because you're experiencing it for the first time, that it qualifies as exploration, but this is a technicality.  Because you aren't given the opportunity to just branch out and do your own thing like you could on the first two generations, I don't count that as exploration.

Now if you do want this to go into the Pokemon, they're not too bad, but it's becoming more obvious they're running out of designs for Pokemon.  Sure, Gen 1 and Gen 2 has a couple unoriginal ideas (upside down Pokeball) but it's far more prominent in Gen 5 (Garbage Bags, Floating Ice Cream?).  So I wouldn't at all be surprised if in Gen 6, we get a Chair Pokemon, and then one that looks like a Bottle of Water.  OR even one that's a Fan, considered Flying.  Maybe a Toaster for fire.

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[Crim]

Crim

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

exploration? really? still going on about that? so what if its a straight line, you can pass through the towns. once you beat elite 4, you get more area to "explore".  exploration is the dumbest excuse i have ever heard.

They're TRYING to get more intense with the stories, but...it's still basically the same thing. 

just noticed this.

Black/whites storyline is more intense, more interesting, and definitely the only game that technically has an actual story to it. It's story is better than any of the previous games. it's not basically the same thing. plus its story doesnt finish once you make it to the elite 4. it goes on after it. and what do you have to do to finish it? exploration. what do you know.

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[Koh]

Koh

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

exploration? really? still going on about that? so what if its a straight line, you can pass through the towns. once you beat elite 4, you get more area to "explore".  exploration is the dumbest excuse i have ever heard.

They're TRYING to get more intense with the stories, but...it's still basically the same thing. 

just noticed this.

Black/whites storyline is more intense, more interesting, and definitely the only game that technically has an actual story to it. It's story is better than any of the previous games. it's not basically the same thing. plus its story doesnt finish once you make it to the elite 4. it goes on after it. and what do you have to do to finish it? exploration. what do you know.

Again, it was still a straight line.  Lemme break it down in the simplest way possible:

Kanto (Gen 1) - Maze-Like Map where you can branch anywhere after you go through Rock Tunnel.  One cave to traverse through post PL.  Game End.

Johto - Maze-Like Map where you can branch anywhere after reaching Ecruteak City.  Once you get to Kanto, you can go anywhere you wanted.  Non-linear fashion.  Ultimate Trainer Red.  Game End.

Hoenn (Emerald-based) - Maze-Like Map; once you reach Slateport, you can explore around in a non-linear fashion.  Post-PL there was the Battle Frontier, so if you exclude that island, not really any new areas to visit.  Game End.

Kanto (Gen 3) - Same as above, except now we have the Sevii Islands.  Three were open to you at a time, and you could approach them in any order until you unlock the next three.  Then it's a matter of following the sub-story.  Non-linear fashion.  Game End.

Sinnoh (Platinum-Based) - Maze-Like Map; no points of branch, but at least it wasn't in a straight line.  Post-Game you had a whole new island to explore, with different climates.  Non-linear fashion.  Game End.

Unova:  Straight Line To the PL, Straight Line After the PL.  Finding the Seven Sages, since they were in mostly areas of old, didn't really make it seem like you were still on an adventure.  Go diving and sell stuff for money you have nothing to buy with.  Game End.

I can't explain it any simpler than that, so if you still don't understand, then, you're on your own.

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[BlazeBigBang]

BlazeBigBang

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

Storyline? Come on, there's no story. I can't make you chage your opinion, but I can show you pros and cons of the storyline comparing it with the other Pokemon games.

Pros
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Cons
- Another evil team that wishes to take all your Pokemon away.
- Again, you frustrate their plans
- Low level enemies, and even at the end of the game they are not worth to battle

And if you don't get it yet, ask darkhunter, he knows everything about a Pokemon. He's a !@#$% Pokemon player

[Crim]

Crim

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

holy !@#$%, are all of you really just a bunch of !@#$% genwunners? the answer is yes. and you know what, im not going to argue with a bunch genwunners.

And if you don't get it yet, ask darkhunter, he knows everything about a Pokemon. He's a !@#$% Pokemon player

i'm sure he doesn't. and even then, no thanks. im sure is a genwunner also. no point.

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[Koh]

Koh

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

holy !@#$%, are all of you really just a bunch of !@#$% genwunners? the answer is yes. and you know what, im not going to argue with a bunch genwunners.

And if you don't get it yet, ask darkhunter, he knows everything about a Pokemon. He's a !@#$% Pokemon player

i'm sure he doesn't. and even then, no thanks. im sure is a genwunner also. no point.

So is this how you go about discussions with people of varying opinions?  "You don't agree with me, you're a *group term here*.  Bye."

Well nonetheless, I'd say I'm anything but a so called "genwunner."  I like something from each generation, including Gen 5, which happens to be the improved mechanics in the way the engine runs during battle, and the continuously animated Pokemon.  I don't like the approach of the world is all.  If that were done like it used to be done, I would like it a lot better.

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[Starforsaken101]

Starforsaken101

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

holy !@#$%, are all of you really just a bunch of !@#$% genwunners? the answer is yes. and you know what, im not going to argue with a bunch genwunners.

And if you don't get it yet, ask darkhunter, he knows everything about a Pokemon. He's a !@#$% Pokemon player

i'm sure he doesn't. and even then, no thanks. im sure is a genwunner also. no point.

So is this how you go about discussions with people of varying opinions?  "You don't agree with me, you're a *group term here*.  Bye."

Well nonetheless, I'd say I'm anything but a so called "genwunner."  I like something from each generation, including Gen 5, which happens to be the improved mechanics in the way the engine runs during battle, and the continuously animated Pokemon.  I don't like the approach of the world is all.  If that were done like it used to be done, I would like it a lot better.

I don't mean to just cut in to this highly nerdy conversation, but I would like to point out that I generally agree with Crim in the sense that not all of the storylines are the same. How the !@#$% is there no story in Gen 5? I'm not finished White yet but it has a lot more substance than the others.

Also, "you don't agree with me, you're a group term here" would be bad if he actually insulted you; he's calling you a genwunner. I don't really see what the big deal is here.

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[BlazeBigBang]

BlazeBigBang

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

I do like every generation, as many do. However, every generation have its pros and cons. We could be a lot of time to do this, and we can cut it out now, as this theme was to show us a funny fan-game about Pokemon.

[FrozenFire]

FrozenFire

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

I think I get what dlbrooks33 is trying to say about exploration. The thing is that Pokemon games don't focus on allowing the player to choose alternate pathways; Pokemon games don't focus on having multiple pathways to choose from to get to the various towns and areas. But, when you get to a new town, you can "explore" inside the houses and such, so there is exploration on that level. And I've known tunnels to be maze-like, which allows for a type of linear-based exploration. I think dlbrooks33 is just trying to say that you don't get to "choose" so much what areas to explore and in what order, as the game leads you to new ares in a linear fashion. But I haven't known Pokemon to go about things much different. But I guess I've only played just under half of the games.

About story? Pokemon has a formula that practically everyone knows by now, which is why the stories are similar. But they are different. The beginning is like, "yeah, yeah, I know, just shut up and let's do this", but from then on, you may know what to expect as far as the formula, but the characters are different, with different stories. The entire game world is extremely focused on Pokemon, so it makes it easy to know what people are going to talk and care about, etc. Anyway, yeah, the stories are similar because the entire Pokemon formula is strict and/or easily discernible, but that's what makes Pokemon, Pokemon.

But that's from a guy that doesn't know a ton about the games, as I haven't played a ton of 'em. Anyway, how did this turn into a debate about this??

...We could be a lot of time to do this, and we can cut it out now, as this theme was to show us a funny fan-game about Pokemon.

My thoughts exactly

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[Koh]

Koh

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

I think dlbrooks33 is just trying to say that you don't get to "choose" so much what areas to explore and in what order, as the game leads you to new ares in a linear fashion.

This exactly.  You used to be able to at certain points in previous games, as marked above, but I digress.  To be honest though, I'm not sure much else can be said about Peta's fail idea here.  From a game development point of view, if you strip out the preaching in there, the game is very well made; the engine is smooth, the artwork (minus the gore) is great, and the music is nice.

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[Crim]

Crim

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

i do understand you want exploration. but thats not what pokemon is about. its about catching them all. its about getting the badges. beating the elite 4. and most importantly, trading and battling with your friends.

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[Zhello]

Zhello

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

i do understand you want exploration. but thats not what pokemon is about. its about catching them all. its about getting the badges. beating the elite 4. and most importantly, trading and battling with your friends.

I kinda like dlbrooks exploration idea, makes the player want to go to places and find rare pokemon in the process. Also having to find out where to go next is a good thing, sometimes hate it when NPC state the obvious.

When I was younger, just wish they matched the manga/anime to a game. Would have been fun to do Orange League right after you beat all of Kanto, then after that you move on to Jhoto, etc.
Plus the player can should how there trainer would look like.

Annother idea I had, even though it is not important, you can control your pokemon in battle. Somewhat similar to how this game is played, but with pokemon (really tired of missing when I know the pokemon could have hit the other guy's pokemon.  )
if 2v2 the trainer can use one and computer uses the other, but with a button press, the trainer can swap to other pokemon to use, and back.
lol couldn't find a better example, but hey I try
*What if pokemon battle were played like this?*
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR4J3kXzsEI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR4J3kXzsEI</a>

might as well try b/w, been a while since I played pkmn.

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[FISSURE]

FISSURE

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

What the !@#$% is a genwunner

[BlazeBigBang]

BlazeBigBang

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

What the !@#$% is a genwunner

It's someone who believes that just gen 1 is good, and everything after it is !@#$%

[darkhunter]

darkhunter

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

i dont think thats right, ive been a pokéfan for too many years, and i support later generations, i think genwunners arent right (but i respect their oppininion), that later generations are very good and they continue improoving, of course, i love gen I but i like the others too, after all, pokemon is pokemon and it will always be good.

"I am the wellspring of darkness, fed by Zemus's unbridled hate... I am He who is called Zeromus... I am he who knows naught but hate!"

[darkhunter]

darkhunter

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

holy !@#$%, are all of you really just a bunch of !@#$% genwunners? the answer is yes. and you know what, im not going to argue with a bunch genwunners.

And if you don't get it yet, ask darkhunter, he knows everything about a Pokemon. He's a !@#$% Pokemon player

i'm sure he doesn't. and even then, no thanks. im sure is a genwunner also. no point.

So is this how you go about discussions with people of varying opinions?  "You don't agree with me, you're a *group term here*.  Bye."

Well nonetheless, I'd say I'm anything but a so called "genwunner."  I like something from each generation, including Gen 5, which happens to be the improved mechanics in the way the engine runs during battle, and the continuously animated Pokemon.  I don't like the approach of the world is all.  If that were done like it used to be done, I would like it a lot better.

I don't mean to just cut in to this highly nerdy conversation, but I would like to point out that I generally agree with Crim in the sense that not all of the storylines are the same. How the !@#$% is there no story in Gen 5? I'm not finished White yet but it has a lot more substance than the others.

Also, "you don't agree with me, you're a group term here" would be bad if he actually insulted you; he's calling you a genwunner. I don't really see what the big deal is here.

I agree, with you, but talking about the storylines in pokemon, we all know that pokemon is always the same story (except in mystery dungeon, ranger, pokepark, etc) and thats the funny part! , the fact of no having story is what makes it a very funny game, the fact of training 649 different pokemon (in gen V, right) and making always the same thing but in a different way, you know, beating gyms and elite, but new cities, new routes, aand lots of easy trainers to play around, places like caves, mountains, seas, etc. thats pokemon, just fun, and it always gets better.

"I am the wellspring of darkness, fed by Zemus's unbridled hate... I am He who is called Zeromus... I am he who knows naught but hate!"

[BlazeBigBang]

BlazeBigBang

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

Ladies  and gentlemen, the !@#$% Pokemon fan who I call friend!

[darkhunter]

darkhunter

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

holy !@#$%, are all of you really just a bunch of !@#$% genwunners? the answer is yes. and you know what, im not going to argue with a bunch genwunners.

And if you don't get it yet, ask darkhunter, he knows everything about a Pokemon. He's a !@#$% Pokemon player

i'm sure he doesn't. and even then, no thanks. im sure is a genwunner also. no point.

sorry my dear friend, i dont want to offend you, but are TOTALLY WRONG, for me, the term genwunner is an INSULT, hear me? INSULT, i love each generation of pokemon with all my heart and soul, and if you re going to call each one in this forum a "genwunner", you re telling us that you re a genwunner, got it, my friend???? so dont you dare call me or blaze or whoever a genwunner, because i cant accept it, i loved pokemon, i love pokemon, and ill always love pokemon, in my oppinion, each generation is always getting better, so if you call THIS a genwunner, YOU RE CLEARLY MISSING THE POINT DUDE, UNDERSTOOD????????????
ALSO, YOU SAID THAT I SURE DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT POKEMON, YOU DONT EVEN KNOW ME, AND I DONT TALK BAD ABOUT YOU WITHOUT KNOWING YOU, SO PLEASE, DONT TALK IF YOU DONT KNOW, BECAUSE I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I REALLY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT POKEMON, GOT IT???? I REPEAT, DONT TALK IF YOU DONT KNOW, BECAUSE I REALLY HATE BEING CALLED A GENWUNNER!!!

also, ive played EACH POKEMON GAME IN THE WORLD (including japanese version of TCG for gameboy color and trozei, dash, whatever), and i really think that if ive liked them all (yeah, trozei sucks okey? but its pokemon after all) i dont deserve being called a genwunner, anything else or is this clear enough??

"I am the wellspring of darkness, fed by Zemus's unbridled hate... I am He who is called Zeromus... I am he who knows naught but hate!"

[Crim]

Crim

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

lol. so if you know everything, you would know black/white, and black/white 2 has prolly the best story, which is also more complex, than any of the previous gens.

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[darkhunter]

darkhunter

Re: Peta Gets Pokemon?

lol. so if you know everything, you would know black/white, and black/white 2 has prolly the best story, which is also more complex, than any of the previous gens.

My friend, i can't complain, i loved b/w 2, really, overall i loved the plasma frigate, i love that part, and okey, if we can say that pokemon has a storyline, okey, yes, b/w 2 has a very good one, but there are also the improvements in the game, but, everyone has his own thinking, and if someone thinks that the best one is gen 2 or gen 3, let them be,  is what they think, they arent saying that the others are bad, and about the really long speech i wrote above, sorry about that, i went out of control, that's all, and if you think gen 5, we're all okey with that, i support you, and i love gen 5 too beacuse it has improved a lot since gen 4.

"I am the wellspring of darkness, fed by Zemus's unbridled hate... I am He who is called Zeromus... I am he who knows naught but hate!"