ZFGC
ZFGC.com => Feedback => Topic started by: Dumb_Ass on July 21, 2008, 12:20:35 am
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It's gone. Do I have to say more? And I bet you saw this topic coming.
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*__* That can't be good.
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I feel like making a bizarre reference to an episode of Justice League Unlimited where this one android is accused of blowing up some planet and it turns out that it just got in his way while traveling through space, so the android moved it. Judging by the news, there is something going on, so that explains it.
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Hmmm... I paid 50 rupees for that Spam key! *angry face*
(Also, change the topic title if you want to be taken seriously, Reo).
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Maybe you lost yours when i said i wanted out of spam.
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*__* That can't be good.
Yes it can.
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This is not about a permissions issue. Unless you asked for it, your usergroup is still "Member" which is what was previously set as access to Spam. Spam either was deleted, moved, or made invisible to the "Member" usergroup.
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*plants spam flag in ground* I say we claim off-topic as the new spam.
TO ARMS, MEN
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That would not be necessary, but it would be beneficial for everyone who does not know otherwise for there to be an Announcement made to those that this affects.
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*plants spam flag in ground* I say we claim off-topic as the new spam.
TO ARMS, MEN
A reasonable solution.
If you don't want spam to permeate the fibers of the rest of ZFGC, you must reopen the spam forum.
...Seriously. The spam forum was the only thing that kept me coming here. When I say that, i mean, if it weren't for the spam forum, I wouldn't come here, post in the spam forum, and then check out the rest of the board.
With the spam forum gone, well, I'm relatively sure I will probably just stop coming here at all.
This could be considered my "Goodbye" to you all if Spam doesn't reappear in a week or so, so bye all!
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*plants spam flag in ground* I say we claim off-topic as the new spam.
TO ARMS, MEN
A reasonable solution.
If you don't want spam to permeate the fibers of the rest of ZFGC, you must reopen the spam forum.
...Seriously. The spam forum was the only thing that kept me coming here. When I say that, i mean, if it weren't for the spam forum, I wouldn't come here, post in the spam forum, and then check out the rest of the board.
With the spam forum gone, well, I'm relatively sure I will probably just stop coming here at all.
This could be considered my "Goodbye" to you all if Spam doesn't reappear in a week or so, so bye all!
If Spam was your only reason to be here, then really, you should leave... >_>
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If Spam was your only reason to be here, then really, you should leave... >_>
It's not my ONLY reason...
It's just the one that's the most fun. Pop in, spam a little, then check the rest of the forums.
It's what brought me to this fine forum today. See, I enjoy doing a little spam now and then, and if you try to take that away from me, I'll be sad. And "noobs" will also start "spamming" the main "forums" with their "stuff posing as meat" posts.
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If Spam was your only reason to be here, then really, you should leave... >_>
It's not my ONLY reason...
It's just the one that's the most fun. Pop in, spam a little, then check the rest of the forums.
It's what brought me to this fine forum today. See, I enjoy doing a little spam now and then, and if you try to take that away from me, I'll be sad. And "noobs" will also start "spamming" the main "forums" with their "stuff posing as meat" posts.
Well that's a stupid reason.
The reason I posted in spam was to have fun when I was bored, which is pretty much all the time, not to get on with my day so I could check the rest of a forum.
Besides, how did spam keep the "spammy noobs" out of other boards? Most "noobs" wouldn't even know about it unless they were told about it before hand.
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*plants spam flag in ground* I say we claim off-topic as the new spam.
TO ARMS, MEN
How about let's not as spam is stupid.
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*plants spam flag in ground* I say we claim off-topic as the new spam.
TO ARMS, MEN
How about let's not as spam is stupid.
I think people deserve to have the choice whether or not they agree with you. I don't use Spam, but it doesn't harm anybody by it being there.
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Well that's a stupid reason.
The reason I posted in spam was to have fun when I was bored, which is pretty much all the time, not to get on with my day so I could check the rest of a forum.
Besides, how did spam keep the "spammy noobs" out of other boards? Most "noobs" wouldn't even know about it unless they were told about it before hand.
It may be a stupid reason, but my life is boring. And spam is fun... My life is also dull, pointless, and probably rather depressing if you aren't me.
And on your second point: touche. Though I didn't call them "spammy noobs", just "noobs". And they do still spam, but inadvertently. There must be a bin for the spam, though, lest we all be forced to eat it and have indigestion!
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By relative measure of use, those in the Spam board consisted of regular members and staff. Even those who claim to be intelligent have the tendency to act stupid; i.e. me.
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*plants spam flag in ground* I say we claim off-topic as the new spam.
TO ARMS, MEN
How about let's not as spam is stupid.
I think people deserve to have the choice whether or not they agree with you. I don't use Spam, but it doesn't harm anybody by it being there.
Word. Let the spammers have their Spam; and if you don't like Spam, stay out.
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And on your second point: touche. Though I didn't call them "spammy noobs", just "noobs". And they do still spam, but inadvertently. There must be a bin for the spam, though, lest we all be forced to eat it and have indigestion!
Ah, I was just putting "Spammy Noobs" cause I couldn't think of anything else that would make sense. :P
Anyways, in my honest opinion, I think Spam should just stay gone now >_>
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Anyways, in my honest opinion, I think Spam should just stay gone now >_>
If you don't like the board, just don't go to it <_<
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Anyways, in my honest opinion, I think Spam should just stay gone now >_>
If you don't like the board, just don't go to it <_<
It's not that I don't like it... I just think it would be better for the forum if it were gone.
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It's not that I don't like it... I just think it would be better for the forum if it were gone.
...Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there less spam everywhere else after the board was instated?
Isn't that what's best for the forum? Less spam?
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It's not that I don't like it... I just think it would be better for the forum if it were gone.
...Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there less spam everywhere else after the board was instated?
Isn't that what's best for the forum? Less spam?
No there was till the same amount of spam.
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It's not that I don't like it... I just think it would be better for the forum if it were gone.
...Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there less spam everywhere else after the board was instated?
Isn't that what's best for the forum? Less spam?
Don't cling to that argument. Too many people believe a Spam forum causes less spam everywhere else, but people aren't that stupid to spam in a normal forum just because of withdrawal.
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No there was till the same amount of spam.
...Then, I guess I must have spent less time on the rest of the forum.
To be honest though, I think that may have been best for the board. I am a horrible, horrible person who likes to string along entire communities of people over fan games that do in fact exist, but will never be completed. In addition, the community also... I dunno. After I stopped visiting the other forums, my dark mood improved. It was really odd... It was as if ZFGC was this dark cloud that hung over my head, and suddenly it was gone, and I could see the sun.
Also, why would the removal of the spam forum be better for ZFGC? What would change?
Don't cling to that argument. Too many people believe a Spam forum causes less spam everywhere else, but people aren't that stupid to spam in a normal forum just because of withdrawal.
That may be true, but it would also reduce the... "stickyness" of the site. That is, people would come here once a day, maybe reply to a few topics, and then leave. In my experience, the spam forum causes me to come here, post in a few topics, then post some spam while remaining on the forum and checking for updates.
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/me looks at the topic title.
I think I may have created a ZFGC meme.
/me crosses that off the To Do List.
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The staff at least claimed for the most part that the creation of the Spam board decreased spam in other areas. If it was there observation that the opposite was true, then they probably changed their minds. Even so, an Announcement is better than being left in the dark about it as the replies in this topic would cease or take new direction for the most part.
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Also, why would the removal of the spam forum be better for ZFGC? What would change?
Hmm I don't know... maybe members will mature more? Myself included.
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There's always the IRC chat for various nonsensical things.
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Don't cling to that argument. Too many people believe a Spam forum causes less spam everywhere else, but people aren't that stupid to spam in a normal forum just because of withdrawal.
That may be true, but it would also reduce the... "stickyness" of the site. That is, people would come here once a day, maybe reply to a few topics, and then leave. In my experience, the spam forum causes me to come here, post in a few topics, then post some spam while remaining on the forum and checking for updates.
Really? Out of habit, I check every hour for updates. There's also the chat.
Oh, damnit Pyra, you beat me to it. I need to get on IRC anywayz.
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Hmm I don't know... maybe members will mature more? Myself included.
...In my experience, spam removal doesn't make you mature. It makes you... Well, fill to near-explosion level with spam.
I know because... During my long, long absence from the community awhile back, I actually became less mature.
Sadly, it's true. I am such a sad person in real life that the board is my... biggest thing.
...It's not that I don't have friends in real life; I have tons of them. I just don't like them. They're annoying, whiny and above all else, they subconsciously order me around and expect me to do their bidding. I say no to them most of the time... But I detest being asked.
Sorry, got a little off topic. Spam withdrawal is already starting to hit me.
Really? Out of habit, I check every hour for updates. There's also the chat.
Oh, damnit Pyra, you beat me to it. I need to get on IRC anywayz.
...There's never anyone IN the IRC. And when there is, it's all about child-molestation or something.
...NO JOKE. Yesterday there was apparrently some sort of chat about this 15 year old being hot. And while I'm relatively sure no one on was actually 15 years old (I forget who was saying they were, I'm relatively sure I remember knowing for a fact that they were not who they were claiming to be), I still left. THat's... not what I want in IRC chats. Aren't there like... Mods or something in the IRC?
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I feel the same way, trelantana. The Spam forum is my outlet that keeps me from going insane. I'm already starting to lose my mind without it. >_<
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Oh, damnit Pyra, you beat me to it. I need to get on IRC anywayz.
That is because I am the God Damned Pyrazor. Now let's all get in the chat and have a party. A party of pure AWESOME.
~Boom de yada
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Oh, damnit Pyra, you beat me to it. I need to get on IRC anywayz.
That is because I am the God Damned Pyrazor. Now let's all get in the chat and have a party. A party of pure AWESOME.
~Boom de yada
AGREED. I shall bring my hat of soup!
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I feel the same way, trelantana. The Spam forum is my outlet that keeps me from going insane. I'm already starting to lose my mind without it. >_<
If that's what keeps you sane...just leave then.
The Spam forum was pretty much a waste as it was full of daily !@#$% that's albeit funnier than most junk 4Chan pumps out...it's still depressing how it lacks humour. Also it seems after i asked for myself to be removed....everyone was removed.
Regulus: 1
Spam-!@#$%:0
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I feel the same way, trelantana. The Spam forum is my outlet that keeps me from going insane. I'm already starting to lose my mind without it. >_<
If that's what keeps you sane...just leave then.
The Spam forum was pretty much a waste as it was full of daily !@#$% that's albeit funnier than most junk 4Chan pumps out...it's still depressing how it lacks humour. Also it seems after i asked for myself to be removed....everyone was removed.
Regulus: 1
Spam-!@#$%:0
Wrong, the board itself was "removed". Look at my usergroup and look at yours. Seriously, I know it amounts to the same effect, but really, most of what I have written in this topic is not only relevant but insightful. I do not know what is up with the way you are acting, but if there is something going on in your life, don't bottle it up.
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I feel the same way, trelantana. The Spam forum is my outlet that keeps me from going insane. I'm already starting to lose my mind without it. >_<
If that's what keeps you sane...just leave then.
The Spam forum was pretty much a waste as it was full of daily !@#$% that's albeit funnier than most junk 4Chan pumps out...it's still depressing how it lacks humour. Also it seems after i asked for myself to be removed....everyone was removed.
Regulus: 1
Spam-!@#$%:0
Grow up. God damn it, grow up. You are not a mature adult because you do not like Spam. Cut the pretentious, holier-than-thou attitude, or you will be banned. I hate to say !@#$% like that because it makes me look like a tool, but we can't tolerate behavior like this when we're trying to build a stronger community. You saying things like this makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach as a moderator and as a staff member, as I'm here to try and help, not tear things down like you seem so totally hell-bent on doing.
You are no better than anyone on 4chan (and also, a lot of 4chan is actually pretty civil...you just visit /b/, apparently.) You are no better than anyone who posted in Spam. You are no better than anyone on this forum, and if you ask me, if you keep making !@#$% STUPID posts like this, you're worse. Work on your social skills or get out.
I'm not kidding.
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Yeah, I just got spam banned from IRC. Or something. I'm not familiar with IRC bot commands.
Spam is obviously not allowed on IRC. Give us a forum, or else I'm going to go crazy. In fact, I already have. Just ask the people in the IRC right now.
This post is not spam. It is a report of what happenned when I went on IRC and attempted to spam like I was told. It does not work. Users be warned.
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Grow up. God damn it, grow up. You are not a mature adult because you do not like Spam. Cut the pretentious, holier-than-thou attitude, or you will be banned. I hate to say !@#$% like that because it makes me look like a tool, but we can't tolerate behavior like this when we're trying to build a stronger community. You saying things like this makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach as a moderator and as a staff member, as I'm here to try and help, not tear things down like you seem so totally hell-bent on doing.
You are no better than anyone on 4chan (and also, a lot of 4chan is actually pretty civil...you just visit /b/, apparently.) You are no better than anyone who posted in Spam. You are no better than anyone on this forum, and if you ask me, if you keep making !@#$% STUPID posts like this, you're worse. Work on your social skills or get out.
I'm not kidding.
Thank you. (http://www.purezc.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/icon_clap.gif)
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Anyone who thinks that /b/ is an accurate portrayal of all of 4chan needs to visit /w/, /wg/, or /ic/ more.
Anyway, personally, I'm not too bummed about the disappearance of Spam. I mean, I would like an explanation seeing as it was here one day and gone the next, but that's out of curiosity. Spam was really pretty stupid.
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Anyway, personally, I'm not too bummed about the disappearance of Spam. I mean, I would like an explanation seeing as it was here one day and gone the next, but that's out of curiosity. Spam was really pretty stupid.
Source, exactly what I was thinking man. Love you.
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I am not bummed that much over it either, but it still stands to reason that changes deserve a relevant Announcement. Assuming that the decision was taken to remove it, an Announcement could have been prepared ahead of time and posted after the change happened. Unless the reason for no such action was to gauge reaction, then I find what I am saying appropriate. The reason I made this post is because no one in this topic will see it.
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I am not bummed that much over it either, but it still stands to reason that changes deserve a relevant Announcement. Assuming that the decision was taken to remove it, an Announcement could have been prepared ahead of time and posted after the change happened. Unless the reason for no such action was to gauge reaction, then I find what I am saying appropriate. The reason I made this post is because no one in this topic will see it.
I see it, and I've asked and the only response I get is "No Comment" everytime ;D
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I see it, and I've asked and the only response I get is "No Comment" everytime ;D
...There is also an inactive admin named Jon. I asked about him once. Didn't receive a response.
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When i asked for it to be removed:
a) They accidentally got rid of everyone's permission to enter it.
or b) They randomly decided to get rid off it because i wanted out.
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I feel the same way, trelantana. The Spam forum is my outlet that keeps me from going insane. I'm already starting to lose my mind without it. >_<
If that's what keeps you sane...just leave then.
The Spam forum was pretty much a waste as it was full of daily !@#$% that's albeit funnier than most junk 4Chan pumps out...it's still depressing how it lacks humour. Also it seems after i asked for myself to be removed....everyone was removed.
Regulus: 1
Spam-!@#$%:0
Grow up. God damn it, grow up. You are not a mature adult because you do not like Spam. Cut the pretentious, holier-than-thou attitude, or you will be banned. I hate to say !@#$% like that because it makes me look like a tool, but we can't tolerate behavior like this when we're trying to build a stronger community. You saying things like this makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach as a moderator and as a staff member, as I'm here to try and help, not tear things down like you seem so totally hell-bent on doing.
You are no better than anyone on 4chan (and also, a lot of 4chan is actually pretty civil...you just visit /b/, apparently.) You are no better than anyone who posted in Spam. You are no better than anyone on this forum, and if you ask me, if you keep making !@#$% STUPID posts like this, you're worse. Work on your social skills or get out.
I'm not kidding.
I love you for real, well, I agree with everything you mentioned it in a wrong way but anyways, I am wondering why there wasn't an earlier answer from the staff, but your answer is enough, frankly the Spam board has always been a waste of space, if you can't live without spam then you should simply leave, people will never remember spammers.
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When i asked for it to be removed:
a) They accidentally got rid of everyone's permission to enter it.
or b) They randomly decided to get rid off it because i wanted out.
God damn, it has nothing to do with you -.- Why do you keep insisting that it does.
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When i asked for it to be removed:
a) They accidentally got rid of everyone's permission to enter it.
or b) They randomly decided to get rid off it because i wanted out.
God damn, it has nothing to do with you -.- Why do you keep insisting that it does.
I'm not saying it has anything to do with me. I'm just saying. It's probably a coincidence.
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Jon is not an administrator of here to manage here; his function as outlined actually in a Spam topic once that went by "lol admins" or something said he was just someone who helps Andrew make decisions from an outside perspective, a healthy voice to have.
When you asked for yours to be removed Regulus, your usergroup was changed. Permission to the board was determined by being in the "Member" group which you are no longer apart of and yet others who had used the Spam board still are. Potential Answer A is not plausible, and Potential Answer B would only be a contributing factor and not a main one.
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I feel the same way, trelantana. The Spam forum is my outlet that keeps me from going insane. I'm already starting to lose my mind without it. >_<
If that's what keeps you sane...just leave then.
The Spam forum was pretty much a waste as it was full of daily !@#$% that's albeit funnier than most junk 4Chan pumps out...it's still depressing how it lacks humour. Also it seems after i asked for myself to be removed....everyone was removed.
Regulus: 1
Spam-!@#$%:0
Grow up. God damn it, grow up. You are not a mature adult because you do not like Spam. Cut the pretentious, holier-than-thou attitude, or you will be banned. I hate to say !@#$% like that because it makes me look like a tool, but we can't tolerate behavior like this when we're trying to build a stronger community. You saying things like this makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach as a moderator and as a staff member, as I'm here to try and help, not tear things down like you seem so totally hell-bent on doing.
You are no better than anyone on 4chan (and also, a lot of 4chan is actually pretty civil...you just visit /b/, apparently.) You are no better than anyone who posted in Spam. You are no better than anyone on this forum, and if you ask me, if you keep making !@#$% STUPID posts like this, you're worse. Work on your social skills or get out.
I'm not kidding.
I love you for real, well, I agree with everything you mentioned it in a wrong way but anyways, I am wondering why there wasn't an earlier answer from the staff, but your answer is enough, frankly the Spam board has always been a waste of space, if you can't live without spam then you should simply leave, people will never remember spammers.
It's not an answer. It's a warning to Regulus that he needs to shape up.
Like the rest of the staff, my answer towards the actual removal is and will remain no comment.
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You guys need to settle the hell down. Geez.
I am about to lock this topic. It's not only the bickering back and forth, but most every reply is not even about the question.
Since, we give you "no comment" replies, then your questions are answered.
Hence you don't need to discuss Where is SPAM? or how much you hate it and still post there anyways.
Enough. LOCKED.
If another MOD or ADMIN wants this open, go ahead. I will not come back to this thread, though since it is nothing but arguing and pointless posts.
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I think it is only fair that we allow this discussion to continue. No rules have been broken and all of us have the right to give our opinions, especially in regards to something that effects us all in some way. With that in mind I'm going to respectfully unlock this. Please keep your posts civil and on-topic. Thank you.
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I think it is only fair that we allow this discussion to continue. No rules have been broken and all of us have the right to give our opinions, especially in regards to something that effects us all in some way. With that in mind I'm going to respectfully unlock this. Please keep your posts civil and on-topic. Thank you.
Yea I do think locking it was a bit extreme, it seemed to me it was locked out of annoyance.
But the fact that spam is gone is a bit sad and im also agitated, but I'm sure there was reason. Now am I extremely pissed its not there: no, but It was something you could just do whatever at...
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wait, why is it gone?
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wait, why is it gone?
You're not gonna get a direct answer. They're just gonna say "no comment".
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I feel the same way, trelantana. The Spam forum is my outlet that keeps me from going insane. I'm already starting to lose my mind without it. >_<
If that's what keeps you sane...just leave then.
The Spam forum was pretty much a waste as it was full of daily !@#$% that's albeit funnier than most junk 4Chan pumps out...it's still depressing how it lacks humour. Also it seems after i asked for myself to be removed....everyone was removed.
Regulus: 1
Spam-!@#$%:0
Grow up. God damn it, grow up. You are not a mature adult because you do not like Spam. Cut the pretentious, holier-than-thou attitude, or you will be banned. I hate to say !@#$% like that because it makes me look like a tool, but we can't tolerate behavior like this when we're trying to build a stronger community. You saying things like this makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach as a moderator and as a staff member, as I'm here to try and help, not tear things down like you seem so totally hell-bent on doing.
You are no better than anyone on 4chan (and also, a lot of 4chan is actually pretty civil...you just visit /b/, apparently.) You are no better than anyone who posted in Spam. You are no better than anyone on this forum, and if you ask me, if you keep making !@#$% STUPID posts like this, you're worse. Work on your social skills or get out.
I'm not kidding.
THIS. GOD I LOVE YOU RIGHT NOW.
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I feel the same way, trelantana. The Spam forum is my outlet that keeps me from going insane. I'm already starting to lose my mind without it. >_<
If that's what keeps you sane...just leave then.
The Spam forum was pretty much a waste as it was full of daily !@#$% that's albeit funnier than most junk 4Chan pumps out...it's still depressing how it lacks humour. Also it seems after i asked for myself to be removed....everyone was removed.
Regulus: 1
Spam-!@#$%:0
Grow up. God damn it, grow up. You are not a mature adult because you do not like Spam. Cut the pretentious, holier-than-thou attitude, or you will be banned. I hate to say !@#$% like that because it makes me look like a tool, but we can't tolerate behavior like this when we're trying to build a stronger community. You saying things like this makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach as a moderator and as a staff member, as I'm here to try and help, not tear things down like you seem so totally hell-bent on doing.
You are no better than anyone on 4chan (and also, a lot of 4chan is actually pretty civil...you just visit /b/, apparently.) You are no better than anyone who posted in Spam. You are no better than anyone on this forum, and if you ask me, if you keep making !@#$% STUPID posts like this, you're worse. Work on your social skills or get out.
I'm not kidding.
THIS. GOD I LOVE YOU RIGHT NOW.
We can all express out love for Knivu later, and some of us sooner than others. *sprays on cologne*
But in all seriousness, I want a straight answer as to why it was removed. None of this "no comment" !@#$% that Regulus is referring to. (I know I'm taking a chance in listening to him, but !@#$% it.)
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I think it is only fair that we allow this discussion to continue. No rules have been broken and all of us have the right to give our opinions, especially in regards to something that effects us all in some way. With that in mind I'm going to respectfully unlock this. Please keep your posts civil and on-topic. Thank you.
:o you didn't unlock this, I did lol *points at staff boards* lol
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I agree. Secrets are for !@#$%; unless it very personal, or a serious crime.
News
People with access to staff boards, read this before posting anything, thank you;
http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=29623.new#new
Discuss this message.
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News
People with access to staff boards, read this before posting anything, thank you;
http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=29623.new#new
Discuss this message.
Those of us that have access to the staff board had to read that topic before posting. What's there to discuss? :P
On a more serious note, patience is a virtue.
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I feel the same way, trelantana. The Spam forum is my outlet that keeps me from going insane. I'm already starting to lose my mind without it. >_<
If that's what keeps you sane...just leave then.
The Spam forum was pretty much a waste as it was full of daily !@#$% that's albeit funnier than most junk 4Chan pumps out...it's still depressing how it lacks humour. Also it seems after i asked for myself to be removed....everyone was removed.
Regulus: 1
Spam-!@#$%:0
Grow up. God damn it, grow up. You are not a mature adult because you do not like Spam. Cut the pretentious, holier-than-thou attitude, or you will be banned. I hate to say !@#$% like that because it makes me look like a tool, but we can't tolerate behavior like this when we're trying to build a stronger community. You saying things like this makes me !@#$% sick to my stomach as a moderator and as a staff member, as I'm here to try and help, not tear things down like you seem so totally hell-bent on doing.
You are no better than anyone on 4chan (and also, a lot of 4chan is actually pretty civil...you just visit /b/, apparently.) You are no better than anyone who posted in Spam. You are no better than anyone on this forum, and if you ask me, if you keep making !@#$% STUPID posts like this, you're worse. Work on your social skills or get out.
I'm not kidding.
THIS. GOD I LOVE YOU RIGHT NOW.
We can all express out love for Knivu later, and some of us sooner than others. *sprays on cologne*
But in all seriousness, I want a straight answer as to why it was removed. None of this "no comment" !@#$% that Regulus is referring to. (I know I'm taking a chance in listening to him, but !@#$% it.)
You're never going to get an answer out of them, because it's OMG CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
Seriously, what the hell could be so classified about Spam >_>
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DEAR GOD IT'S SOME KIND OF PROJECT X.....TWO.
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DEAR GOD IT'S SOME KIND OF PROJECT X.....TWO.
<_<;; what?
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Sometimes when you cannot convince someone that your way of thinking is right and you have the ability to hide information from that person, you choose to not tell them thinking and using the bluff that your reasoning can be trusted and that you know what you are doing. By providing no comment, it does not answer that reasoning, so those who might be offended by it would not have anything to go after other than the broader action itself. This is not right or wrong, it is just convenient, however if used too much or if it is perceived as being used too much, there is a backlash from those who information that affects them is hidden. This paraphrased is either in the Art of War or should be.
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5 pages of topic and we still don't have an answer.
Probably going to re-sticky every topic again.
Yawn.
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Work on your social skills or get out.
+1 for hypocrisy.
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DEAR GOD IT'S SOME KIND OF PROJECT X.....TWO.
<_<;; what?
I guess you weren't really around for Project X or you think I'm being ludicrous. Either way, visual aid ftw
(http://www.rocketsoft.gm-school.uni.cc/uploads/ProjectX2.jpg)
It's probably best I not elaborate. >_>
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DEAR GOD IT'S SOME KIND OF PROJECT X.....TWO.
<_<;; what?
I guess you weren't really around for Project X or you think I'm being ludicrous. Either way, visual aid ftw
(http://www.rocketsoft.gm-school.uni.cc/uploads/ProjectX2.jpg)
I'm hyped.
GOTF
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I HAVE A SOLUTION!
How about... instead of CLOSING teh SPAM board, you set up a stickied "Spam" TOPIC!
That way, we can pop in, check the spam topic, maybe post once, and then get on with our lives outside the topic.
Whoever gets to page 1337 of the topic first gets a prize.
EDIT: To elaborate, I don't mean THIS topic.
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I HAVE A SOLUTION!
How about... instead of CLOSING teh SPAM board, you set up a stickied "Spam" TOPIC!
That way, we can pop in, check the spam topic, maybe post once, and then get on with our lives outside the topic.
Whoever gets to page 1337 of the topic first gets a prize.
EDIT: To elaborate, I don't mean THIS topic.
A spam topic is nowhere near as satisfying as a whole forum. The disorganization makes it less fun.
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It's intresting how you guys immediatly assumed its been deleted. It hasn't; We just choose to hide it for a few days to judge your reactions (hence no staff replies to this topic), and see what effect it has on the activity of this forum. We're just trying to decide where we should go from here on out with this site, and what is worth doing for this site. Getting a feel for this place without spam is a good place to judge in my opinion, see what activity there is left in this site without the spam board, as however much you wish to ignore it more than half of posts at the moment are all in spam, almost none of them are funny and most do almost nothing except waste bandwidth and webspace. People also don't seem to understand the definition of the board, people just seem to post in there by default even if their posts are acceptable outside it. If you want randomness stick to /b/, thats not what this site is really here for.
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It's intresting how you guys immediatly assumed its been deleted. It hasn't; We just choose to hide it for a few days to judge your reactions (hence no staff replies to this topic), and see what effect it has on the activity of this forum. We're just trying to decide where we should go from here on out with this site, and what is worth doing for this site. Getting a feel for this place without spam is a good place to judge in my opinion, see what activity there is left in this site without the spam board, as however much you wish to ignore it more than half of posts at the moment are all in spam, almost none of them are funny and most do almost nothing except waste bandwidth and webspace. If you want randomness stick to /b/, thats not what this site is really here for.
You... you... double !@#$%! Lol, just kidding, but I do think that Spam was a good place to unload. I have a few posts I want to make in there right now. It's a good thing sometimes.
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It kind of annoys me that everyone assumes Spam is supposed to be funny. It's Spam; it can be anything. Like right now I want to make make a topic that says "ATTN: Mammy; Stop calling me your daughter! I want to !@#$% you!". =\ It's not supposed to be funny; it's just something I want to say that probably wouldn't be acceptable in any other section of this site. >_> <_<
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It kind of annoys me that everyone assumes Spam is supposed to be funny. It's Spam; it can be anything. Like right now I want to make make a topic that says "ATTN: Mammy; Stop calling me your daughter! I want to !@#$% you!". =\ It's not supposed to be funny; it's just something I want to say that probably wouldn't be acceptable in any other section of this site. >_> <_<
If its not funny, and has no point, is totally useless, what the f--- is the point in posting it here?
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It kind of annoys me that everyone assumes Spam is supposed to be funny. It's Spam; it can be anything. Like right now I want to make make a topic that says "ATTN: Mammy; Stop calling me your daughter! I want to !@#$% you!". =\ It's not supposed to be funny; it's just something I want to say that probably wouldn't be acceptable in any other section of this site. >_> <_<
If its not funny, and has no point, is totally useless, what the f--- is the point in posting it here?
Spam doesn't need a point... It's an acronym for "Stupid, Pointless, Annoying messages." lol
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It kind of annoys me that everyone assumes Spam is supposed to be funny. It's Spam; it can be anything. Like right now I want to make make a topic that says "ATTN: Mammy; Stop calling me your daughter! I want to !@#$% you!". =\ It's not supposed to be funny; it's just something I want to say that probably wouldn't be acceptable in any other section of this site. >_> <_<
If its not funny, and has no point, is totally useless, what the f--- is the point in posting it here?
Community reaction. Spam is multiplayer, and will always be that. Also, why can't we have an invision-free spam forum or something?
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It kind of annoys me that everyone assumes Spam is supposed to be funny. It's Spam; it can be anything. Like right now I want to make make a topic that says "ATTN: Mammy; Stop calling me your daughter! I want to !@#$% you!". =\ It's not supposed to be funny; it's just something I want to say that probably wouldn't be acceptable in any other section of this site. >_> <_<
If its not funny, and has no point, is totally useless, what the f--- is the point in posting it here?
Spam doesn't need a point... It's an acronym for "Stupid, Pointless, Annoying messages." lol
I'm aware of that, I just don't see the point in allowing them then :S. I have no problem with spam that has some humour to it, but just random humourless garbage seems like a pointless addition to this site, nothing but a waste of bandwidth and webspace.
Either way thats not what this is about.
Anyhow as I've been talking to mammy changes are the way one gets access to the spam forum will be changed, to come more in to line with how we originally wanted it. You won't just be able to buy in access to it and forget about the rest of the forum.
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Maybe, but when 20000+ posts were in spam and the number was rising exponentially, something is wrong - when more people post in spam than in all four development boards combined, something is wrong. I think deleting spam will force people to make contributions in other areas of ZFGC, and if not, then those who only posted in spam won't come to ZFGC anymore, thereby making the entire forum less cluttered.
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Oh fun another pointless exercise to force people to post in places they don't want to
good luck with that
just another way to strip the fun out of this site
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Work on your social skills or get out.
+1 for hypocrisy.
Thanks bro. It's good to see you judging me on one post that was very, very much-deserved rather than looking at all my posts on the forum or at least several posts.
Again, thanks for your approval! :D
Also, so the members know: not all of the staff necessarily thought this was the best course of action.
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Oh fun another pointless exercise to force people to post in places they don't want to
good luck with that
just another way to strip the fun out of this site
The idea is not to "strip the fun" out of ZFGC; it's to make the fun perhaps a bit more constructive.
That being said, I do not approve of removing Spam. I say leave it. People don't change for you, and our memberbase isn't going to change because of what the staff might want to do with the site. What we have to do is try and show the community "Hey, we can do interesting stuff here." That's why I shot down Regulus in that post, because I feel like anyone that tries to stand in the way of us building a stronger community needs to leave. Scooternew calls it hypocrisy, I call it a just desert. (in b4 JUST DESSERT?! LIKE ICE CREAM!?)
I do, however, believe the focus needs to be taken off of Spam and refocused on development. The problem with that is convincing the userbase we're serious without alienating them. That's why I started ZFGC Weekly; I feel it's a cool way to bring the community together and show them what's going on here without being all Fascist about it. Perhaps if we lead by example, you guys will follow.
I've got a vision of what ZFGC can be, and I think most people here share it with me: as an online haven for developers, artists, writers, and anyone who loves the creative spirit, in addition to just a cool place to chill on the web.
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You guys take this board way too seriously.
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You guys take this board way too seriously.
No, we really don't, at least not me. I'm only trying to help out a bit. I know LOL SERIOUS BUSINESS, but if you ask me this isn't me getting butthurt over stupid !@#$%, this is me honestly trying to improve something because I think it's a good idea.
Look, what I'm saying is that I'm actually okay with ZFGC the way it is. I think it's fun here. But if we do go somewhere else, I have an idea of what I think is the best place to go.
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Ha, Infini, I take pride in that I was able to deduce your actions without having privy eyes to what they were; in regard to the waiting for reactions and how the board itself may not have actually been deleted. Of course my mind ran the gambit on other possibilities, but near the end of my thinking, it was more in line with what yours was.
Anyway, to be honest, my position over Spam has changed over months and months. I like it now because it can be segregated to the users that still want it, and these users still tend to post in other areas nicely; there are a few exceptions, but they are only a few. I used to say that Spam should only exist on ZFGC if the development part of ZFGC was also in similar strength because diversion without purpose is near meaningless. I feel that people want too much of what we had in the past without any attempts to work for it and that team projects and a separated advanced coding section are the some good ways to enhance that development; even if it would only be a little bit of an improvement, it would still be in the right direction and the small increment past the status quo would at least be of good quality in its own right.
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Whether anybody likes it or not, this is a message board. There is no obligation to post in developement boards, or develop anything. This isnt a job, this is the reminence of a once pround Zelda Fangame Community.
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Whether anybody likes it or not, this is a message board. There is no obligation to post in developement boards, or develop anything. This isnt a job, this is the reminence of a once pround Zelda Fangame Community.
Of course there's no "obligation" to post in certain boards. There's a difference between forcing members to post certain places (which obviously is not possible) and trying to encourage growth in certain boards so that members flock there on their own.
Also, saying that this place is the remnant of a "once proud Zelda Fangame Community" is really against what we're trying to do here, and it's not appreciated.
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But its true. When I came here back in 06, the developement boards were filled with people. Now only a few projects remain, and most will probably fail anyways. The only efforts left that matter are ZFGSDK, my ZeldaDSEngine(dont ask about this) and some other engine projects. Untill then, the majority of ZFGC is stuck with nothing.
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It is amusing though when you think about it. How many times has this been tried, the idea of encouraging growth in other areas? The Spam board had a fee of entry, limited entry, and did not fully distract from the other boards as users in Spam posted elsewhere as well. To the staff who have to look at the board, it is going to look like a void simply because it has more activity. It is deceiving to find its effects so significant went a large number of users could not even have looked into the board. The activity of the Spam board was strictly based on the lack of thought, the other boards in themselves are inherently slow to post in due to intelligence. It was only popular amongst those who knew it because it was a quicker community feeling.
New users due to all of the existing limitations on the Spam board had no real chance of getting access to see it, and a lot of Spam members were those who would not commit to fan games or development anyway. By this means, it was for the most part controlled. There are other forums that do have Spam boards although the are arguably less stupid. I would suggest merging Spam with Forum Games and having some set rules in Spam to account for violations that may be happening with the global community rules. Why merge it with Forum Games? Well I peppered in this preposition because this will not be read and because it would dull some of the idiocy of Spam as well as getting something like Forum Games into an area in which it would not have to be seen.
In terms of development though, it is really simple. If you want to be a voice of change, you have to embody that change. If you want development to get better, you have to get better. I am trying to get better. Meh.
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It is amusing though when you think about it. How many times has this been tried, the idea of encouraging growth in other areas? The Spam board had a fee of entry, limited entry, and did not fully distract from the other boards as users in Spam posted elsewhere as well. To the staff who have to look at the board, it is going to look like a void simply because it has more activity. It is deceiving to find its effects so significant went a large number of users could not even have looked into the board. The activity of the Spam board was strictly based on the lack of thought, the other boards in themselves are inherently slow to post in due to intelligence. It was only popular amongst those who knew it because it was a quicker community feeling.
New users due to all of the existing limitations on the Spam board had no real chance of getting access to see it, and a lot of Spam members were those who would not commit to fan games or development anyway. By this means, it was for the most part controlled. There are other forums that do have Spam boards although the are arguably less stupid. I would suggest merging Spam with Forum Games and having some set rules in Spam to account for violations that may be happening with the global community rules. Why merge it with Forum Games? Well I peppered in this preposition because this will not be read and because it would dull some of the idiocy of Spam as well as getting something like Forum Games into an area in which it would not have to be seen.
In terms of development though, it is really simple. If you want to be a voice of change, you have to embody that change. If you want development to get better, you have to get better. I am trying to get better. Meh.
I think the merging of Forum Games with Spam is a decent idea, actually; sort of a more relaxed conversation area where obvious joke topics or ATTN: user topics could be posted such as in Spam.
That being said, I still think the layout was fine as it was.
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I think the merging of Forum Games with Spam is a decent idea, actually; sort of a more relaxed conversation area where obvious joke topics or ATTN: user topics could be posted such as in Spam.
That being said, I still think the layout was fine as it was.
Sort of like a ' real world "hangin' out" ' conversation board? A place where your post could contain an obvious joke such as "OMG ur a gurl! gtfo!" (i didn't say a *funny* one) for the sole purpose of joking around?
Because not all conversations in real life are constructive.
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It is amusing though when you think about it. How many times has this been tried, the idea of encouraging growth in other areas? The Spam board had a fee of entry, limited entry, and did not fully distract from the other boards as users in Spam posted elsewhere as well. To the staff who have to look at the board, it is going to look like a void simply because it has more activity. It is deceiving to find its effects so significant went a large number of users could not even have looked into the board. The activity of the Spam board was strictly based on the lack of thought, the other boards in themselves are inherently slow to post in due to intelligence. It was only popular amongst those who knew it because it was a quicker community feeling.
New users due to all of the existing limitations on the Spam board had no real chance of getting access to see it, and a lot of Spam members were those who would not commit to fan games or development anyway. By this means, it was for the most part controlled. There are other forums that do have Spam boards although the are arguably less stupid. I would suggest merging Spam with Forum Games and having some set rules in Spam to account for violations that may be happening with the global community rules. Why merge it with Forum Games? Well I peppered in this preposition because this will not be read and because it would dull some of the idiocy of Spam as well as getting something like Forum Games into an area in which it would not have to be seen.
In terms of development though, it is really simple. If you want to be a voice of change, you have to embody that change. If you want development to get better, you have to get better. I am trying to get better. Meh.
I think the merging of Forum Games with Spam is a decent idea, actually; sort of a more relaxed conversation area where obvious joke topics or ATTN: user topics could be posted such as in Spam.
That being said, I still think the layout was fine as it was.
No way. Don't merge the boards, just make it a child board of spam.
I was rather happy with my original idea of having the spam board be just an open topicality board where people could post without being modded. it would have been better if you guys didn't just slap spam on it for the name when the board first started out. When the board first started it actually had good topics (even mammy initially agreed), but CERTAIN PEOPLE saw spam in the name and decided that posting redundant 4chan things was ok. I didn't mind people posting random topics like what Sharon just said a few posts ago, because stuff like that is entertaining. The only thing I don't care for is random sticky topics and stupid redundant posts that actually are just pure spam.
TLDR: bring back that original idea I discussed with mammy when I first told him to make that board
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It is amusing though when you think about it. How many times has this been tried, the idea of encouraging growth in other areas? The Spam board had a fee of entry, limited entry, and did not fully distract from the other boards as users in Spam posted elsewhere as well. To the staff who have to look at the board, it is going to look like a void simply because it has more activity. It is deceiving to find its effects so significant went a large number of users could not even have looked into the board. The activity of the Spam board was strictly based on the lack of thought, the other boards in themselves are inherently slow to post in due to intelligence. It was only popular amongst those who knew it because it was a quicker community feeling.
New users due to all of the existing limitations on the Spam board had no real chance of getting access to see it, and a lot of Spam members were those who would not commit to fan games or development anyway. By this means, it was for the most part controlled. There are other forums that do have Spam boards although the are arguably less stupid. I would suggest merging Spam with Forum Games and having some set rules in Spam to account for violations that may be happening with the global community rules. Why merge it with Forum Games? Well I peppered in this preposition because this will not be read and because it would dull some of the idiocy of Spam as well as getting something like Forum Games into an area in which it would not have to be seen.
In terms of development though, it is really simple. If you want to be a voice of change, you have to embody that change. If you want development to get better, you have to get better. I am trying to get better. Meh.
I think the merging of Forum Games with Spam is a decent idea, actually; sort of a more relaxed conversation area where obvious joke topics or ATTN: user topics could be posted such as in Spam.
That being said, I still think the layout was fine as it was.
No way. Don't merge the boards, just make it a child board of spam.
I was rather happy with my original idea of having the spam board be just an open topicality board where people could post without being modded. it would have been better if you guys didn't just slap spam on it for the name when the board first started out. When the board first started it actually had good topics (even mammy initially agreed), but CERTAIN PEOPLE saw spam in the name and decided that posting redundant 4chan things was ok. I didn't mind people posting random topics like what Sharon just said a few posts ago, because stuff like that is entertaining. The only thing I don't care for is random sticky topics and stupid redundant posts that actually are just pure spam.
TLDR: bring back that original idea I discussed with mammy when I first told him to make that board
Actually, I strongly approve of this idea.
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Not that this is going to sound like it makes much sense, but having a board like that, if moderators wanted to post in it as well, their presence alone might be interpreted as moderation. A board cannot truly exist without moderation as if a user in that board feels wronged and they report that they have been wronged, then it has to at least be looked at. Not that every situation would devolve that far, but progressively the board itself would go in the direction where anything goes, all the time. It is hard to judge legitimate content based on opinion as well; what is acceptable for some is not acceptable for all.
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Not that this is going to sound like it makes much sense, but having a board like that, if moderators wanted to post in it as well, their presence alone might be interpreted as moderation. A board cannot truly exist without moderation as if a user in that board feels wronged and they report that they have been wronged, then it has to at least be looked at. Not that every situation would devolve that far, but progressively the board itself would go in the direction where anything goes, all the time. It is hard to judge legitimate content based on opinion as well; what is acceptable for some is not acceptable for all.
Not really. if you look at some of the social boards on gamefaqs like CE, they will have topics about anything and everything. Their rules are quite open, and only modded when it's obvious spam. It works quite well there.
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Other forums also have Spam boards that are not as degenerate as the one here must have been to pend its "removal". It does not work to simply list outside examples as there are many including counterexamples. Gamefaqs Current Events board has the same description as the Other Discussion board here. It is good to look elsewhere for ideas of what to do, but direct transposition to this place does not really apply so perfectly.
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It kind of annoys me that everyone assumes Spam is supposed to be funny. It's Spam; it can be anything. Like right now I want to make make a topic that says "ATTN: Mammy; Stop calling me your daughter! I want to !@#$% you!". =\ It's not supposed to be funny; it's just something I want to say that probably wouldn't be acceptable in any other section of this site. >_> <_<
If its not funny, and has no point, is totally useless, what the f--- is the point in posting it here?
Spam doesn't need a point... It's an acronym for "Stupid, Pointless, Annoying messages." lol
Backronyms are stupid.
Spam is compressed ham. Reference to Monty Python sketch ahoy.
At any rate, the board is stupid, has little point. There are places on the internet to be a DICK, and they have more bandwidth than this site. As has been said, go to fuckin' /b/ if you want to be retarded.
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It kind of annoys me that everyone assumes Spam is supposed to be funny. It's Spam; it can be anything. Like right now I want to make make a topic that says "ATTN: Mammy; Stop calling me your daughter! I want to !@#$% you!". =\ It's not supposed to be funny; it's just something I want to say that probably wouldn't be acceptable in any other section of this site. >_> <_<
If its not funny, and has no point, is totally useless, what the f--- is the point in posting it here?
Spam doesn't need a point... It's an acronym for "Stupid, Pointless, Annoying messages." lol
Backronyms are stupid.
Spam is compressed ham. Reference to Monty Python sketch ahoy.
At any rate, the board is stupid, has little point. There are places on the internet to be a DICK, and they have more bandwidth than this site. As has been said, go to fuckin' /b/ if you want to be retarded.
Way to generalize, man
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It is amusing though when you think about it. How many times has this been tried, the idea of encouraging growth in other areas? The Spam board had a fee of entry, limited entry, and did not fully distract from the other boards as users in Spam posted elsewhere as well. To the staff who have to look at the board, it is going to look like a void simply because it has more activity. It is deceiving to find its effects so significant went a large number of users could not even have looked into the board. The activity of the Spam board was strictly based on the lack of thought, the other boards in themselves are inherently slow to post in due to intelligence. It was only popular amongst those who knew it because it was a quicker community feeling.
New users due to all of the existing limitations on the Spam board had no real chance of getting access to see it, and a lot of Spam members were those who would not commit to fan games or development anyway. By this means, it was for the most part controlled. There are other forums that do have Spam boards although the are arguably less stupid. I would suggest merging Spam with Forum Games and having some set rules in Spam to account for violations that may be happening with the global community rules. Why merge it with Forum Games? Well I peppered in this preposition because this will not be read and because it would dull some of the idiocy of Spam as well as getting something like Forum Games into an area in which it would not have to be seen.
In terms of development though, it is really simple. If you want to be a voice of change, you have to embody that change. If you want development to get better, you have to get better. I am trying to get better. Meh.
I think the merging of Forum Games with Spam is a decent idea, actually; sort of a more relaxed conversation area where obvious joke topics or ATTN: user topics could be posted such as in Spam.
That being said, I still think the layout was fine as it was.
No way. Don't merge the boards, just make it a child board of spam.
I was rather happy with my original idea of having the spam board be just an open topicality board where people could post without being modded. it would have been better if you guys didn't just slap spam on it for the name when the board first started out. When the board first started it actually had good topics (even mammy initially agreed), but CERTAIN PEOPLE saw spam in the name and decided that posting redundant 4chan things was ok. I didn't mind people posting random topics like what Sharon just said a few posts ago, because stuff like that is entertaining. The only thing I don't care for is random sticky topics and stupid redundant posts that actually are just pure spam.
TLDR: bring back that original idea I discussed with mammy when I first told him to make that board
I would quite agree. I think the things that don't belong in Spam are "Over 9000!" and stuff. I think lolcats are funny if they make sense, but random pictures are not funny. Make it like Other Discussion, but primarily for joking around. As long as we limit the amount of topics made(as a community, not by deletion or something like that) and keep it relatively light hearted, but not stupid, then I think it would be okay.
There are certain things in ZFGC we mention, like "lol Sharon is a gurl" and "lol, Source is manly" that don't amount to anything, but god are they entertaining. If I had access to the Spam board right now, I would try and find a few topics that are okay, and the ones that aren't...but I can't...*cough*
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We need to do exactly what Swiftu said.
The big problem we have with spam, is just really stupid things getting posted. For example, I'm not going to say any name but we'll be talking about one thing in spam, say a joke about Source or something, then someone will come in and go "LOL I DUN KNO HOW TO WEAR APNTS IN A BANA PIEE LOLLLOL" which will be totally unrelated and stupid and would pretty much ruin the topic/joke. Another problem is just an overuse of jokes, and yes, even I'm guilty of this. I'm guilty of a lot of things, including posting stupid things.
Yes, it is spam, but come on, the stupidity level on some things I see are just through the roof.
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You are trying to remove the stupidity from something that exudes stupidity, it is not really practical on the moderation's end to ensure that it is kept clean as that draws in their time. If that were to work you would have to have set a local moderator of the Spam board and have him or her set as a "group moderator" that can promote or demote anyone in the group. This would be a means of letting those out who are not agreeable and people could still probably enter into the usergroup through means of a Spam Key or whatever.
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You are trying to remove the stupidity from something that exudes stupidity, it is not really practical on the moderation's end to ensure that it is kept clean as that draws in their time. If that were to work you would have to have set a local moderator of the Spam board and have him or her set as a "group moderator" that can promote or demote anyone in the group. This would be a means of letting those out who are not agreeable and people could still probably enter into the usergroup through means of a Spam Key or whatever.
This sounds stupid, but what about...just people moderating themselves. If it's stupid, restrain yourself...nah, I doubt that will happen...
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You are trying to remove the stupidity from something that exudes stupidity, it is not really practical on the moderation's end to ensure that it is kept clean as that draws in their time. If that were to work you would have to have set a local moderator of the Spam board and have him or her set as a "group moderator" that can promote or demote anyone in the group. This would be a means of letting those out who are not agreeable and people could still probably enter into the usergroup through means of a Spam Key or whatever.
Well, I'm not saying that they should remove all that stuff, my post was directed more to the members themself, just trying say a "try and cut back on the totally stupid crap, myself included" kind of thing.
Spam should get a moderator or two though, just to keep out the flaming of other members, that should be something that stays out of spam, and other things. That or just a stupidity patrol.
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Kylink, you do not fully comprehend what I am saying. A group moderator is a feature that we used once here for the Community Project. In addition to having local moderator qualities within the board, it allows you to promote or demote users from a group; to see the Spam board you have to be in a certain user group, the group moderator could control who gets kicked out so that administrators would not have to step in to remove Spam access from individual members. This also addresses the "burden" of letting the area exist by letting it handle itself a bit as well as keeping other moderators out of the board for official duties.
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It kind of annoys me that everyone assumes Spam is supposed to be funny. It's Spam; it can be anything. Like right now I want to make make a topic that says "ATTN: Mammy; Stop calling me your daughter! I want to !@#$% you!". =\ It's not supposed to be funny; it's just something I want to say that probably wouldn't be acceptable in any other section of this site. >_> <_<
If its not funny, and has no point, is totally useless, what the f--- is the point in posting it here?
Spam doesn't need a point... It's an acronym for "Stupid, Pointless, Annoying messages." lol
Backronyms are stupid.
Spam is compressed ham. Reference to Monty Python sketch ahoy.
At any rate, the board is stupid, has little point. There are places on the internet to be a DICK, and they have more bandwidth than this site. As has been said, go to fuckin' /b/ if you want to be retarded.
Way to generalize, man
Also, 4chan is down.
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ZFGC, come for the
fan games spam, stay for the spam more spam!
I think the notion of that kind of motto is clearly the problem. The community reaction does seem to gauge that that is what the forum is degenerating to and it's an understandable concern especially considering the board was semi-private.
But of course as always, the staff is as much to blame as the members but at least some kind of action is being taken.
Hey staff, want to make it interesting? Monitor the forum's posts per days for a while and see how much it drops without the Spam board. That should be interesting.
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For the sake of your comprehension, I will make this blunt. Spam is being used as a scapegoat for our degradation and making it seem as though it is the biggest problem is disingenuous to how poorly our focus is on development. There are a few case exceptions where development seems fine, but in general it is sad that most of us, myself included, still revel in Game Maker when things such as C++ and advanced languages themselves should be pursued. It is sad that Minish Cap, for example, has been out for years and not all the graphics have been ripped from it, sorted, animated if applicable, and made listed for the members here to whom such action would help.
But what is even sadder is cycles such as these repeat themselves and few people are honest about it. Spam is going to seem like an issue to staff simply because they have other things to do and they are also forced to have Spam visible. Those in Spam who were active there were either the staff forced to see it or veteran/semi-veteran users who would not contribute to development anyway. Those staff and users as well as most if not all of the others active in that board still posted in other areas and were alright about it for the most part. There is always going to be an outlier though and to assume that this outlier is the sign of the Apocalypse is naive.
While I personally do not mind if Spam is gone as I am active in other areas, its removal does little to nothing in benefit of development. Also, sometimes it helps to examine why people assume something is negative or wrong and rather than act as if action must be taken, it should be considered if people are perceiving things for the wrong reasons.
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^this for the most part;
Although...
Just a heads up, and I don't really care what the reaction is <_<;; The next ZFGC incarnation will be focused on development. We're going to attract more developers, and less general discussion junkies with our new scheme of things. If we even keep spam, it will be something that is rewarded to users based on contribution to the site (yes site, not forum), not something that is purchased in a shop. Like Infinitus said, we've been working out ways to keep spam but make it more of something you work towards, instead of something someone can just *send you rupees* for.
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^this for the most part;
Although...
Just a heads up, and I don't really care what the reaction is <_<;; The next ZFGC incarnation will be focused on development. We're going to attract more developers, and less general discussion junkies with our new scheme of things. If we even keep spam, it will be something that is rewarded to users based on contribution to the site (yes site, not forum), not something that is purchased in a shop. Like Infinitus said, we've been working out ways to keep spam but make it more of something you work towards, instead of something someone can just *send you rupees* for.
High five for alienating part of the userbase dude
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!@#$% you bastards. Give me spam back.
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It really is not alienation if it is still allowed in some form, it benefits the forum though if our focus is what is promoted primarily. Community still has its importance and not everything has to be so serious, but considering that in the past ZFGC was more focused on development, it seems odd that flocking to it now would suddenly be running away from the same people who did not mind that then.
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^this for the most part;
Although...
Just a heads up, and I don't really care what the reaction is <_<;; The next ZFGC incarnation will be focused on development. We're going to attract more developers, and less general discussion junkies with our new scheme of things. If we even keep spam, it will be something that is rewarded to users based on contribution to the site (yes site, not forum), not something that is purchased in a shop. Like Infinitus said, we've been working out ways to keep spam but make it more of something you work towards, instead of something someone can just *send you rupees* for.
High five for alienating part of the userbase dude
Small part, dude; and 90% of that small part do nothing other than spam. The rest have development skills that they've just kind of left dormant.
This is Zelda Fan Game Central, not "Everyone troll and use /b/ memes and ditch what the forum was created for central". There will still be discussion boards, but just because we're making spam MORE exclusive doesn't mean that we're alienating part of the userbase, dude.
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Wait, during the 2.0 upgrade, are old posts going to be lost?
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^this for the most part;
Although...
Just a heads up, and I don't really care what the reaction is <_<;; The next ZFGC incarnation will be focused on development. We're going to attract more developers, and less general discussion junkies with our new scheme of things. If we even keep spam, it will be something that is rewarded to users based on contribution to the site (yes site, not forum), not something that is purchased in a shop. Like Infinitus said, we've been working out ways to keep spam but make it more of something you work towards, instead of something someone can just *send you rupees* for.
High five for alienating part of the userbase dude
The rest have development skills that they've just kind of left dormant.
And you want to reward them by letting them post on a board they don't use to begin with.
high five dude
Small part, dude;
the small part that was more active than the entire board. nobody was forced to view it, yet with the development boards in full view, it still had more activity. Yep let's scapegoat spam when it's nothing more than a motivation problem with the developers.
high five dude
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^this for the most part;
Although...
Just a heads up, and I don't really care what the reaction is <_<;; The next ZFGC incarnation will be focused on development. We're going to attract more developers, and less general discussion junkies with our new scheme of things. If we even keep spam, it will be something that is rewarded to users based on contribution to the site (yes site, not forum), not something that is purchased in a shop. Like Infinitus said, we've been working out ways to keep spam but make it more of something you work towards, instead of something someone can just *send you rupees* for.
High five for alienating part of the userbase dude
The rest have development skills that they've just kind of left dormant.
And you want to reward them by letting them post on a board they don't use to begin with.
high five dude
Small part, dude;
the small part that was more active than the entire board. nobody was forced to view it, yet with the development boards in full view, it still had more activity. Yep let's scapegoat spam when it's nothing more than a motivation problem with the developers.
high five dude
If you've noticed dude. I've been the biggest supporter of a spam board dude. However it's not something that should draw the attention away dude. That small part also spammed up the rest of the forum dude. You of all people should know this dude. About 10% of that small part actually had something useful to bring to the table dude.
I don't mind people who come to the forum to have discussions. I do mind people who come here to spam up the place and get away with it.
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I say delete that stupid ZFGC style vaporware forum that noone gives a !@#$% about :)
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I thought that I would contribute that the way in which spam was dealt with had it been outside of the Spam board was counter-productive in that in some cases it was just moved to Spam and not locked as Andrew himself wanted, but then again there are times when things are borderline. Swiftu does make a point though in that developers would hardly have interest in trying to attain access to the Spam forum at that rate. Contributions to the site as a means to get into the area are something that I cannot comprehend yet as it is vague.
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I thought that I would contribute that the way in which spam was dealt with had it been outside of the Spam board was counter-productive in that in some cases it was just moved to Spam and not locked as Andrew himself wanted, but then again there are times when things are borderline. Swiftu does make a point though in that developers would hardly have interest in trying to attain access to the Spam forum at that rate. Contributions to the site as a means to get into the area are something that I cannot comprehend yet as it is vague.
Contributors aren't just developers. There's a lot more to it than just that
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Probably has to do with writing as probably Dantz and Hoffy are adamant supporters of those fields; other things too, I have a list in my head of what it could be, but writing it all out would be a pain in the ass. As long as there is quality control with contributions, then all will be well. I would help out if I could because my abilities and skills are good, but meh.
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I say delete that stupid ZFGC style vaporware forum that noone gives a !@#$% about :)
I lol'd.
^this for the most part;
Although...
Just a heads up, and I don't really care what the reaction is <_<;; The next ZFGC incarnation will be focused on development. We're going to attract more developers, and less general discussion junkies with our new scheme of things. If we even keep spam, it will be something that is rewarded to users based on contribution to the site (yes site, not forum), not something that is purchased in a shop. Like Infinitus said, we've been working out ways to keep spam but make it more of something you work towards, instead of something someone can just *send you rupees* for.
High five for alienating part of the userbase dude
The rest have development skills that they've just kind of left dormant.
And you want to reward them by letting them post on a board they don't use to begin with.
high five dude
Small part, dude;
the small part that was more active than the entire board. nobody was forced to view it, yet with the development boards in full view, it still had more activity. Yep let's scapegoat spam when it's nothing more than a motivation problem with the developers.
high five dude
If you've noticed dude. I've been the biggest supporter of a spam board dude. However it's not something that should draw the attention away dude. That small part also spammed up the rest of the forum dude. You of all people should know this dude. About 10% of that small part actually had something useful to bring to the table dude.
I don't mind people who come to the forum to have discussions. I do mind people who come here to spam up the place and get away with it.
dude
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Spam was my favorite board because people didn't ignore it; It was a quick way to have a conversation when I was at home alone.
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Spam was my favorite board because people didn't ignore it; It was a quick way to have a conversation when I was at home alone.
Would you drop it already? Why don't you spam somewhere else or suck on your thumb and make your own site where you can spam? What's done is done and I don't think Spam will be coming back anytime soon. Stop whining about it and grow up!
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Would you drop it already? Why don't you spam somewhere else or suck on your thumb and make your own site where you can spam? What's done is done and I don't think Spam will be coming back anytime soon. Stop whining about it and grow up!
...That wasn't whining. It was a statement about why I'm annoyed that spam just up and dissapeared randomly without any sort of announcement.
I'm fine with it being gone now. Stop jumping off the handle.
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...That wasn't whining. It was a statement about why I'm annoyed that spam just up and dissapeared randomly without any sort of announcement.
There was a reason for that, go read the whole topic. It's not neccessarally gone yet either.
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not "Everyone troll and use /b/ memes and ditch what the forum was created for central".
Here we go again with the, IT'S /b/ LOL /b/ EVERYONE IS DOING THINGS FROM /b/.
I hope you do realize that not EVERY SINGLE MEME IS FROM /b/. God damn, how many times do people need to be told to realize. Seriously, it's really getting on my nerves.
Anyways, people shouldn't be forced to visit development and contribute to a site just to visit a certain section, I mean, what if that someone cannot do anything to contribute? What if they have no talent, or no desire to learn, or just simply cannot learn? Then what? Then they are forced to dwell within the boring development community when they just could be having fun in spam.
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So here's an interesting fact
When Spam Existed:
Forum Average Posts Per Day: Roughly 500+
A few days after Spam Removal:
Forum Average Posts Per Day: 375
That's so far over one quarter of the forum's activity coming from spam.
lolwut indeed
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A post is not an adequate reflection of activity in all cases, especially since a post made in spam does not have the preparation that a post made elsewhere has. It is not that strong of a point to make, and the day itself might have a factor in the number as well in that there are days when people are not on; that, and those who posted in Spam also posted in other areas, it is not so exclusive statistically.
Anyway, I was let in on some information and the concept presented there seems like a good idea. I cannot say more than that really, but it makes sense and will not be too inhibiting. The concept is brilliant in that it serves to be a kind of flood control system and earning rupees is not that difficult, and yet is helpful. It's a good idea really, you'll be happy with it.
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ok, this will seem kind of off-topic at first, but I still think I need to voice my opinion...
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I think what's kind of happened is that originally you know we had the whole OOT2D thing and lots of zelda fan game and other development stuff. That lasted decently 2-3 years. Problem is that during that time we developed a good community ahd we decently know other people. But now we've kinda moved past the fan-game part but don't want ZFGC to die out or change or something nor do we want to leave because of this group of people that frequent this site.
Unfortunately that was obviously not the plan for ZFGC, but I think that's what we have now. A bunch of people that want to kinda "hang out", talk, etc. with each other but can't do it anywhere else because those specific people we're referring to in the first place just aren't there. Does that make sense? Yes there are people that want the development part of ZFGC strong again, which isn't a problem, but I think a lot come here just for each other and are afraid of losing "us" and our ways of just plain old friendly interaction. We're almost more like just a group of friends than a group joined for a purpose or a particular thing.
This is not necessarily a bad thing - in my opinion it's just that we're almost out of our element now. Even though ZFGC's focus is supposed to be about fan games and stuff, yet again, many of us seem to just want to not lose this "group of friends". I've never been in a gaming clan before, but I reckon that we're almost more something like that.
Now what's this gotta do with spam? Well, IMO that was one of the main spots of the "friend-like socializing" that I've described. Friends commonly are goofy with each other and just kinda "hang out", which IMO was what spam got used for. Yes there's community speak and Other Discussion, but friends aren't always just discussing things.
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So basicly, I think our problem is that ZFGC is now more of a group of friends (maybe even almost like being a clan) than a group interested in a particular area (though we have gaming interests because of ZFGC's roots in development, which supports my clan analogy). But ZFGC itself is still designed and geared for fan game development, and spam was a (if not THE) main spot that our "group of friends" hung out at.
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Now I feel like I'm either COMPLETELY off or right on the spot. Thoughts? Flames? Slaps for utter cluelessness?
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Why is it that something development related can be canceled, changed, or removed, and it passes over and nobody cares. But remove spam, and the administrators are working against you?
I'm not impressed. It hasn't improved nearly as much as I have been told. Goodbye again.
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Why is it that something development related can be canceled, changed, or removed, and it passes over and nobody cares. But remove spam, and the administrators are working against you?
Well, if the theory in my post is correct, it would explain this...
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Slaps for utter cluelessness?
One of these.
I think we should all just shut up and make an IF board for spams.
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Aw crap, it seems that yet again, my opinion and thinking is COMPLETELY different from everyone else XD Don't you love mental disorders? :P
(note, I actually DO have a mental disorder, though I'm not saying it's the direct cause of my "different" opinion, but it DOES make the way I think different in general resulting in such differences)
Well, at least I'm sane enough that I recognized the possibility of being completely off.
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I see your idea Nintendo Maniac 64, but your vision of the community is too limiting. If this forum were to just to be socially oriented and development was just a tag-along from the past, there is no outreach. Linguistically I am probably butchering this, but think about it: the idea that users stay here no matter what is not practical to reality. Users have lives, are busy, etc. You probably knew this though so sorry if it sounds patronizing. Development can be used not only to make ourselves look better but it can be used to draw in more users who can develop and will also be a part of the community that people come to know and love. Take King Mob, for example, he was not that much of a known veteran, but when he came here he made the place better. Sometimes I wonder if the users here are afraid to meet new people.
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Aw crap, it seems that yet again, my opinion and thinking is COMPLETELY different from everyone else XD Don't you love mental disorders? :P
(note, I actually DO have a mental disorder, though I'm not saying it's the direct cause of my "different" opinion, but it DOES make the way I think different in general resulting in such differences)
like what/
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I see your idea Nintendo Maniac 64, but your vision of the community is too limiting. If this forum were to just to be socially oriented and development was just a tag-along from the past, there is no outreach. Linguistically I am probably butchering this, but think about it: the idea that users stay here no matter what is not practical to reality. Users have lives, are busy, etc. You probably knew this though so sorry if it sounds patronizing. Development can be used not only to make ourselves look better but it can be used to draw in more users who can develop and will also be a part of the community that people come to know and love. Take King Mob, for example, he was not that much of a known veteran, but when he came here he made the place better. Sometimes I wonder if the users here are afraid to meet new people.
This is kind of what I was trying to get at. I was NOT trying to suggest that ZFGC should go "social only", I was only stating what the current situation looks like. This is also why I was so concerned, because having a foundation of only "socialness" of single group is not exactly very strong...but drifting away from that could be disastrous at the same time.
We're between a rock and a hard place.
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Yeah, I should have been a little more clear. I understand your critique of how it is mostly a social club now, but I thought that even as such development need not be treated as so separate; using King Mob as an example as he added a lot to this place especially when it really felt dead and as such the community became better because everyone had some worth again. If people spend a lot of time here just to socialize, it is a little sad because real friends offer more. The future should be pursued though to escape your critique by using development as a means to increase individual self-worth through contributions to development as well as getting new users who share that goal.
The staff plan that I have seen if realized will do this well, very well. I am not the kind of person who really praises others ideas a lot, but I cannot stress enough, the idea I have seen is really good, really good.
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Well, I guess I should say that it's not so much that people don't care about development anymore, they just don't come to ZFGC really looking for it. But that doesn't mean they won't ignore it, it's just not a constant main focus.
Also, like I said before, like a "group of friends", they aren't always JUST socializing, they do actually talk, discuss, and do things.
Referring to the socializing and having RL friends, the problem is that everyone is unique and you can't really replace them, hence why people may stay in a "social community"-like-thing in the first place, because of the people (which can never truely be replicated)
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Here's the fan game cycle: we almost always have people new to Game Maker asking for help constantly and producing games that we all know will never make it past the first dungeon. Then they get a little better but they still fail because of lacking time and interest. There's also some great coders who either have a team or talents that could help them finish a game easily, but somehow they don't finish, but rather than say it, they keep telling people that the new demo comes out soon or it's still in the oven and let interest die out on its own, or just let the project disappear and have people talk about how great it could have been. I'm sick of this cycle, so I go elsewhere on the forum. Not saying that Spam should be back or not, but I'm saying I stopped caring about the projects in the beginning of last year.
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Here's the fan game cycle: we almost always have people new to Game Maker asking for help constantly and producing games that we all know will never make it past the first dungeon. Then they get a little better but they still fail because of lacking time and interest. There's also some great coders who either have a team or talents that could help them finish a game easily, but somehow they don't finish, but rather than say it, they keep telling people that the new demo comes out soon or it's still in the oven and let interest die out on its own, or just let the project disappear and have people talk about how great it could have been. I'm sick of this cycle, so I go elsewhere on the forum. Not saying that Spam should be back or not, but I'm saying I stopped caring about the projects in the beginning of last year.
This, only that I quit caring about projects the first year I was here.
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Well, at least those last 2 posts support my theory of people coming to zfgc not specifically for the development. (they don't apply to the "still will randomly come across an interesting project" part of the theory though)
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No, Swiftu himself said he came here for that or at least to be in the atmosphere of it, and then he became bored of it within a year. In fact, both said they got bored with development, non-development was not their influence for coming here. The only users that come here for the community are referred to by current users who go here already. In regard to interesting projects, it helps when more users work on a project because each does less, what they are good at, more gets done, etc.
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In "my theory", I said that we all (or most) originally came for the projects. In my last post, I was referring to now.
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I, too, came for the games, and stayed for the community.
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I came for the community. How do I remember that? I remember stalking ZFGC before I even signed up, kind of like how people lurk on 4chan before posting.
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but did you stalk for the community or the games? if it was for the games, my theory is still valid.
If not... well... YOU'RE A FREAK GTFO naw j/k XD
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Even if you lurked the place, Reo, you were still make it sound like you were drawn in because of what the development focus was; it would otherwise be too random to just pick a forum and go to it without a reason to. Nintendo Maniac 64, perhaps I was distracted because what you were referring to was coupled with validation from something else. I perceived it to be confusing. I appreciate understanding the past and present, but yeah, the knowledge of such and its application towards the future are more important. It is good that there are people who can make the needed changes happen because a lot of it is technical coding work; well the backbone is technical, the flesh is simpler. Advances in development focus do help out the community, which direct advances in the community function do not really help development. More bang for the buck or whatever.
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Even if you lurked the place, Reo, you were still make it sound like you were drawn in because of what the development focus was;
So that means that's why I joined? It was the Zelda, really. I was least interested in OoT2D because it would never happen. And here I am.
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Well, I think it might have been more an combination. I cannot really speak for you as best as you can, but meh. The atmosphere at the time was heavily influenced and made better by development, at least that is what I think. The community at the beginning was more or less an amalgamated community and development, and in more recent times the two have come to be considered separate when they do not have to be nor are they really. That is what I was getting at kind of.
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I came and joined because of OoT2D, stayed awhile because I thought "hey, I could help from people here and i don't have to scrounge the face of the internet for resources people may already have". Then I realized that people won't help you and then stopped coming for a while until this iteration of ZFGC. I came back simply because I remembered that ZFGC existed. :/
How about, for every post you make outside of spam, you get a spam point meaning that you can post once in spam...
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How about, for every post you make outside of spam, you get a spam point meaning that you can post once in spam...
Really all that does is encourage spamming outside the Spam forum.
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Nooooo because the mods can go in and delete any spammy post outside of spam, if it does happen. It will be just an application of the rules: No spam outside of spam.
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Spam shouldn't come back because it's a waste of unneeded space in my opinion. People posting random !@#$% for kicks. It should just stay gone and never come back. It started getting boring right before I left for camping a couple weeks ago. None of the topics were funny and they were complete Awesomeness if you ask me. I say just forget about it and get on with whatever topics posted here. Spam is useless and you could just do it somewhere else, like on a piece of paper, a different forum, write spam on yourself or something, I dunno.
Nooooo because the mods can go in and delete any spammy post outside of spam, if it does happen. It will be just an application of the rules: No spam outside of spam.
The mods would go into too much trouble focusing on spam when they have other topics to moderate.
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Spam shouldn't come back because it's a waste of unneeded space in my opinion. People posting random !@#$% for kicks. It should just stay gone and never come back. It started getting boring right before I left for camping a couple weeks ago. None of the topics were funny and they were complete Awesomeness if you ask me. I say just forget about it and get on with whatever topics posted here. Spam is useless and you could just do it somewhere else, like on a piece of paper, a different forum, write spam on yourself or something, I dunno.
No way dude. This place slows down to a CRAWL without that board.
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Spam shouldn't come back because it's a waste of unneeded space in my opinion. People posting random !@#$% for kicks. It should just stay gone and never come back. It started getting boring right before I left for camping a couple weeks ago. None of the topics were funny and they were complete Awesomeness if you ask me. I say just forget about it and get on with whatever topics posted here. Spam is useless and you could just do it somewhere else, like on a piece of paper, a different forum, write spam on yourself or something, I dunno.
No way dude. This place slows down to a CRAWL without that board.
I kind of agree. It's somewhat boring without spam. So just keep the spam inside spam and there won't be as many problems. 8)
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No way dude. This place slows down to a CRAWL without that board.
Spam at some other board then.
I kind of agree. It's somewhat boring without spam. So just keep the spam inside spam and there won't be as many problems. 8)
I don't think it's coming back so try talking about other things. It's not that hard.
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Think of it this way: Every April Fool's Day, immaturity takes precedence over everything else here. The other 364 days of the year, it is contained in Spam! Or at least it should be. If you want to be immature, then only post one day a year! If you can get through the filters, that is. Anyways, I think with spam gone, this board will slowly become more and more mature. That's a very good thing. If you don't like it, then leave.
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I like it here, even before the spam forum. I rarely even go on it anyways. When I meant 'somewhat boring', I meant just looking for topics I can relate and post in. I bearly went in spam ever though.
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what we need to do is finish that 'FGSDK. Then more fangames. More fangames, more postes.
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what we need to do is finish that 'FGSDK. Then more fangames. More fangames, more postes.
True. That may help.
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Why is it that something development related can be canceled, changed, or removed, and it passes over and nobody cares. But remove spam, and the administrators are working against you?
maybe because nobody really cares about the devlopment parts of the board.
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I say good ridden to spam.
Like most people say, if you are only here for spam GTFO.
I think now we can be a little more serious and not have 50,000 new spam posts every day.
:)
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Plus you didn't even get posts counted there. You could tell the people who were like that if they were active a lot and had a low post count. Anyways, Spam is gone, and civility is returning here. I think...
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Fact: Without spam, there will be more spammy messages in other boards.
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How so Linky?
If people spam anywhere they get banned.
/read new rules
>_>
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Most of the spam that has come up recently has mostly been in retaliation to what could be a temporary decision. Otherwise some of it could be explained by how spammy topics get archived or praised for humor. Regardless, there will always be violations of the rules, and that is why moderators exist.
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How so Linky?
If people spam anywhere they get banned.
/read new rules
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Well, lets say im an 11 year old kind who have a funny he heardat school. Before, he would have posted it in spam. Now he has to post it somewhere else. He could not post it, but think about it: Hes an 11 year old.
Also, sorry for OT, but what so different about the rules? The only differences I can see is the slightest infraction gets you banned. and I cant find anything about posting spam olo.
~LynkW - Post 5th Grader joke here.
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LynkW, an 11 year old should not even be here because of COPPA. The new rules are supposed to be easier to read, at least that is what I think. They seem alright, although the formatting near the bottom could have been done so that there is not that gap between words, but that is an aesthetic issue, and I am just being unnecessarily picky.
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LynkW, an 11 year old should not even be here because of COPPA. The new rules are supposed to be easier to read, at least that is what I think. They seem alright, although the formatting near the bottom could have been done so that there is not that gap between words, but that is an aesthetic issue, and I am just being unnecessarily picky.
However, there is the signing of the COPPA form, thus allowing a person under 13 years of age to legally make use of this forum.
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If they can at least go through that process, there is also a good chance that they can follow other rules. If they cannot, they can be dealt with accordingly. There is always some leniency to new users because they are new to the place and thus new to the rules. If they repeat behavior even after being referenced to the rules, they can be dealt with just like everyone else.
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True, you make a very good point. However, there is one more argument. It pertains to the fact that some younger children know enough about the world wide web and the COPPA rules, and the fact that they will simply lie that they are of older age. The only problem then is, that one can probably put one and one together and conclude that the said member is avoiding COPPA if he or she posts in such manner of a young person, including my earlier point of the Fifth Grader's joke being posted.
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Although you could assume that the person is younger based on their posting style, it is a little bit of generalization to assume someone's age based on the intelligence of their post content. Maturity to some degree can be derived from post content, and if a user repeats their behavior, I would assume myself that lying about their age would be to their detriment. If someone who claims to be 19, for example, is posting spam repeatedly, they should know better and will not be given the benefit of the doubt as often. As for enforcing COPPA if a user reveals there age to be below it, I would think that is up to staff. If the user is being belligerent and uncontrollable, then kicking them out would be agreeable. If they were not, then since they provided two ages to the forum, it is indeterminable legally in terms of which age provided is the correct one, so letting them stay would be fine.
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How so Linky?
If people spam anywhere they get banned.
/read new rules
>_>
Well, lets say im an 11 year old kind who have a funny he heardat school. Before, he would have posted it in spam. Now he has to post it somewhere else. He could not post it, but think about it: Hes an 11 year old.
Also, sorry for OT, but what so different about the rules? The only differences I can see is the slightest infraction gets you banned. and I cant find anything about posting spam olo.
~LynkW - Post 5th Grader joke here.
If he's an 11 year old, the joke probably isn't funny to begin with <_<;; not to sound like a DICK or anything lol
Also, the COPPA is just for legal ramifications; WE can still set an age cap, and we personally do not feel comfortable with users under 14 here. We've got a couple obvious exceptions that were here before the rule changes, and theres no problem with that. However for liabilities sake, 14 is the age requirement.
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With the age cap, what is the fate of the existing members under 14? Do they just get a pardon?
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He said that users who are here under the age cap prior to the setting of the age cap are given exception.
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The majority are, but some of them we have already asked for COPPA forms which have been provided.
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With the age cap, what is the fate of the existing members under 14? Do they just get a pardon?
My view is as follows:
Members who are 13 years of age are old enough to legally be on the forums, in regards to US and some international laws, asking that users be 13 years or old to register on a website (or anywhere on the internet) that may collect private data.
My personal feeling is this: The content of this forum is sometimes subjective to a mature content, and thus we have capped the age to 14. Users who are between the ages of 13 and 14 and are currently registered will be unaffected by this.
Since this forum is private, we have the ability to restrict age of anyone or anyone at all not on the basis of age from accessing this forum.
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Spams gone?
YES!
=D
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One thing I find really strange is, people who actually posted in spam, or have posted in spam, are all like "YAY IT'S GONE OMG YES YES YES" *celebration*
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One thing I find really strange is, people who actually posted in spam, or have posted in spam, are all like "YAY IT'S GONE OMG YES YES YES" *celebration*
Yeah I actually find that amusing too...
Although <_< I have noticed a considerable amount of spam being posted outside of it now; although most of those have resulted in bans.
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Speaking of which, I haven't heard from Swiftu lately...
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Speaking of which, I haven't heard from Swiftu lately...
He got a temp-ban.
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Ah.. I thought so.
Also, yes I have posted in Spam and I also am glad that its gone. There's nothing wrong with that. I just posted there because A. there was some random stuff there, and B. I could be a complete idiot. However, maturity trumps idiocy, so I'm glad that spam is gone.
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One thing that really frustrates me about this Spam thing is that people automatically associate the forum with immaturity (which it sometimes contained) rather than lighthearted discussion (which it also often contained.) This is really unnecessary and honestly it's an unfair evaluation of what Spam really was...and if you ask me, it kind of sounds Sora-esque, which I believe we can all agree is a very bad thing.
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One thing that really frustrates me about this Spam thing is that people automatically associate the forum with immaturity (which it sometimes contained) rather than lighthearted discussion (which it also often contained.) This is really unnecessary and honestly it's an unfair evaluation of what Spam really was...and if you ask me, it kind of sounds Sora-esque, which I believe we can all agree is a very bad thing.
^agreed
At this point in time, Other Discussion is practically light spam... Spam with post counts...
I highly disagree with it being that way.
Other Discussion was always made as a fallback board because Spam was taken away... Spam really wasn't supposed to come back, but oh well !@#$% happens; it was my mistake, didn't mean to leave that test key in the shop. But now that it's back, it's proven to be a widely used board. The stupid threads fizzled out after a while and it became a more light hearted board. That's the essence of a spam board; a board that isn't heavily moderated on offtopic discussion and random funny posts.
Since it's been made invisible, the Other Discussion board has been riddled with crap. This was very expected (from me at least), because OD is no better than "light spam" anyway (as I said before)...
My personal opinion is that it should stay... But, I don't believe it should be open access... I think there should be a certain limit to it.
I also think that if it comes back the Other Discussion board has to go... just IMO of course...
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Your classification of the current state of Other Discussion might be a little over-reaching in scope (it has only become that way recently, and it small enough of a change in the board itself that it could be controlled and reversed), but I thought about the idea you just mentioned and it seems alright but ideal. According to your plan that you mentioned earlier once, I think that those who post frivolously would be better limited, so in that, a future Spam if it would exist would have a better atmosphere; thus making it a step down from Other Discussion. The issues that arise, however, would be the placement of Other Discussions child boards and a possible spill over into Community Speak if someone cannot post in this future Spam. The latter being something more along the lines of a hypothetical.
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Your classification of the current state of Other Discussion might be a little over-reaching in scope (it has only become that way recently, and it small enough of a change in the board itself that it could be controlled and reversed), but I thought about the idea you just mentioned and it seems alright but ideal. According to your plan that you mentioned earlier once, I think that those who post frivolously would be better limited, so in that, a future Spam if it would exist would have a better atmosphere; thus making it a step down from Other Discussion. The issues that arise, however, would be the placement of Other Discussions child boards and a possible spill over into Community Speak if someone cannot post in this future Spam. The latter being something more along the lines of a hypothetical.
:D Nail = hit on the head
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Interesting. Also, I like lighthearted discussin; I just found it outside of spam too, not just inside. So I didn't mention that.
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Personally, I'd love a Casual Discussion board. Think Spam without the unfunny topics, and more stuff like "Hey did you guys see the commercial where this chick said 'They call me an on-the-go girl. Painful, frequent urination, there, I said it'? What medicine was she advertising"? Because if spam was still here, I'd want to post that, and I might find an answer, but also stuff like "i think commercial chik is eh pretty cool girl. eh urination painfully and doesnt afraid of anything".
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Personally, I'd love a Casual Discussion board. Think Spam without the unfunny topics, and more stuff like "Hey did you guys see the commercial where this chick said 'They call me an on-the-go girl. Painful, frequent urination, there, I said it'? What medicine was she advertising"? Because if spam was still here, I'd want to post that, and I might find an answer, but also stuff like "i think commercial chik is eh pretty cool girl. eh urination painfully and doesnt afraid of anything".
Thats essentially what other discussion is.
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Personally, I'd love a Casual Discussion board. Think Spam without the unfunny topics, and more stuff like "Hey did you guys see the commercial where this chick said 'They call me an on-the-go girl. Painful, frequent urination, there, I said it'? What medicine was she advertising"? Because if spam was still here, I'd want to post that, and I might find an answer, but also stuff like "i think commercial chik is eh pretty cool girl. eh urination painfully and doesnt afraid of anything".
Thats essentially what other discussion is.
Really? It seems like it's too casual for even Other Discussion.
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tl;dr
I still don't get what was so horrible about spam. It was meant to be stupid.
(And I just told my sis about spam not existing and she screamed into my ear! O_o)
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Personally, I'd love a Casual Discussion board. Think Spam without the unfunny topics, and more stuff like "Hey did you guys see the commercial where this chick said 'They call me an on-the-go girl. Painful, frequent urination, there, I said it'? What medicine was she advertising"? Because if spam was still here, I'd want to post that, and I might find an answer, but also stuff like "i think commercial chik is eh pretty cool girl. eh urination painfully and doesnt afraid of anything".
So you're saying... Spam with rules?
>_< That was the freaking intention to begin with lol... It was never supposed to be ruleless... :(!
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(And I just told my sis about spam not existing and she screamed into my ear! O_o)
Oh that Irene.
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Enjoy your dead forum and confused staff
You removed spam temporarily to gauge the result... found the exact result ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN could predict (rage from anyone who ever went there)... then removed it fully anyway?
You people need to make up your minds rather than going in cycle of 6 months with spam (during which forum activity tends to rise a lot, and not just in spam) and 6 months without (during which forum activity slows to a crawl, and content becomes much more spammy since people have no other outlet)
Plus many of us PAID for that privelage... not really but even with the fake currency I can't say that's not ripping people off.
Just 2 cents from a former member... it's funny how the problems never changed, the forum just got less and less populated.
Also, click my sig! (this may be grounds for a ban under new rules)
Enjoy your dying forums, and I'll enjoy the dying chat (bet half of you don't even know it exists)
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Enjoy your dead forum and confused staff
You removed spam temporarily to gauge the result... found the exact result ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN could predict (rage from anyone who ever went there)... then removed it fully anyway?
You people need to make up your minds rather than going in cycle of 6 months with spam (during which forum activity tends to rise a lot, and not just in spam) and 6 months without (during which forum activity slows to a crawl, and content becomes much more spammy since people have no other outlet)
Plus many of us PAID for that privelage... not really but even with the fake currency I can't say that's not ripping people off.
Just 2 cents from a former member... it's funny how the problems never changed, the forum just got less and less populated.
Also, click my sig! (this may be grounds for a ban under new rules)
Enjoy your dying forums, and I'll enjoy the dying chat (bet half of you don't even know it exists)
Congratulations, you have successfully created controversy! If you could read this, I'd suggest you give yourself a pat on the back.
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Enjoy your dead forum and confused staff
You removed spam temporarily to gauge the result... found the exact result ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN could predict (rage from anyone who ever went there)... then removed it fully anyway?
You people need to make up your minds rather than going in cycle of 6 months with spam (during which forum activity tends to rise a lot, and not just in spam) and 6 months without (during which forum activity slows to a crawl, and content becomes much more spammy since people have no other outlet)
Plus many of us PAID for that privelage... not really but even with the fake currency I can't say that's not ripping people off.
Just 2 cents from a former member... it's funny how the problems never changed, the forum just got less and less populated.
Also, click my sig! (this may be grounds for a ban under new rules)
Enjoy your dying forums, and I'll enjoy the dying chat (bet half of you don't even know it exists)
Congratulations, you have successfully created controversy! If you could read this, I'd suggest you give yourself a pat on the back.
he is right <.< this forum is less and less populated. I don't care about spam but I care about the staff not doing anything to stop this.
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It is premature to think anything, especially since other things have not been implemented yet. Look at the topic in Announcements if you have not already and check out Infini's mock-up of what the website is going to look like. Consider how branching out would bring in new members. He is right partly though, problems do persist and change form over time, but that does not mean full ignorance is given to the past, it is just that circumstances change, things are allowed when they should not be sometimes, etc. Initially though, not saying anything at first was what was at issue; just saying that they were thinking about it would have quelled the !@#$%-storm. Meh.
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The big reason for *not* doing anything, is waiting for SMF 2.0, beta 4. We were advised to wait for beta 4.. Development can only go so fast when you're waiting for specific releases.
As 4Sword said, I suggest reading Helios' plan for ZFGC: http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=29837.0 -- It gives great insight on the future of the forum.
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So we will have spam in 2.0 B4?
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It is premature to think anything, especially since other things have not been implemented yet. Look at the topic in Announcements if you have not already and check out Infini's mock-up of what the website is going to look like. Consider how branching out would bring in new members. He is right partly though, problems do persist and change form over time, but that does not mean full ignorance is given to the past, it is just that circumstances change, things are allowed when they should not be sometimes, etc. Initially though, not saying anything at first was what was at issue; just saying that they were thinking about it would have quelled the !@#$%-storm. Meh.
The big reason for *not* doing anything, is waiting for SMF 2.0, beta 4. We were advised to wait for beta 4.. Development can only go so fast when you're waiting for specific releases.
As 4Sword said, I suggest reading Helios' plan for ZFGC: http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=29837.0 -- It gives great insight on the future of the forum.
I know we are waiting for SMF 2.0 beta 4, but how much have we been waiting, 4 months? I know it is too premature, but If we have started Helios plan 4 months ago then once the new beta gets released we will have everything for the new forum, I understand what you are saying but still, I haven't seen many important stuff in the last 6 months, we have no publicity in other places, and now that I think about it, seeing a "I am new here" thread in community speak is odd now a days.
The only two projects that might bring new people here are the ZFGCCP and the ZFGSDK, but one of those projects is getting no help from the staff, we can easily see a contest in which people make a drawing for NPCs or interiors, that would make all the tiling and spriting lighter, but if we haven't seen a Character Contest I doubt a Design NPCs contest might appear, I know the idea of a contest for making NPCs is somewhat dumb, but we can have better ones that will help the ZFGCCP.
BTW 4Swords, with each post you sound more like a robot :3.
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What is th main thing needed to be done in the CP right now?
Also, This topic is turning into a "Future 2" topic.
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Speaking like a robot allows me to better communicate with those of whom English was not their first language. Some of the new features in terms of the site and forum were dependent on the the upgrade to SMF version 2.0 and the site programming needed time to be worked on (the summer months give some time away from school). Forum and site integration is also something to consider; why make a site early if the forum cannot synchronize perfectly, for example. The community project decided to go "invisible" for the most part so that Scooternew and other people working on the project could do so in peace until they can release something of merit. In terms of publicity, we will be having whatever comes with the upgrade and outreach. We also have NCFC which draws some people here.
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Thanks.
Also, speaking like a roboit makesyou look more inteligent, but it makes lazy people not read your posts.
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Thanks.
Also, speaking like a roboit makesyou look more inteligent, but it makes lazy people not read your posts.
Like me. D:
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Thanks.
Also, speaking like a roboit makesyou look more inteligent, but it makes lazy people not read your posts.
Like me. D:
and me D:
Speaking like a robot allows me to better communicate with those of whom English was not their first language.
I disagree with that, English is not my first language, but still I find it hard to understand you, since you use complex words.
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I guess that is true as sometimes I have complex thoughts. I can make something really simple, but then it is either obvious or non-persuasive.
Anyway, I am looking forward to the future changes and I am not worried about the status of Spam. To anyone who reads this, even if you are a person who is not into development, there has to be at least one person here whom you might be making a project right now and even if you do not know the technical sides behind making a game, it would be nice to leave a nice comment about their topic about it. Helping people out is not hard.
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Yes, I agree with you in many ways, 4Sword. However, it is imminent that most people will have more posts that are riddled with spam due to their being no outlet for the members of the ZFGC. If enough people persuade me, I can create a forum on endvu.com whose porpose solely will be SPAM for the ZFGC Members.
~LynkW - Now converting to robotism.
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The ideas that the staff has made here and in Announcements for going forward addresses what needs to be addressed without sacrificing what does not need to be. I do think that perhaps the staff was more reactive to the trends in Spam because they were forced to see the board because of their permissions; the way in which it was taken down did lead to some confusion though, but had it not been done that way, there may have been an angrier debate following the board's departure.
You make it sound though like posting spam in other places is inevitable, but even so, the rules of those boards have been made clear and people should be aware enough of their behavior to control themselves. Creating a separate forum for spam will also not work in that it is away from ZFGC, you would have to register, and going between forums would be too much of a hassle. It is not that practical.
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Enjoy your dead forum and confused staff
You removed spam temporarily to gauge the result... found the exact result ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN could predict (rage from anyone who ever went there)... then removed it fully anyway?
You people need to make up your minds rather than going in cycle of 6 months with spam (during which forum activity tends to rise a lot, and not just in spam) and 6 months without (during which forum activity slows to a crawl, and content becomes much more spammy since people have no other outlet)
Plus many of us PAID for that privelage... not really but even with the fake currency I can't say that's not ripping people off.
Just 2 cents from a former member... it's funny how the problems never changed, the forum just got less and less populated.
Also, click my sig! (this may be grounds for a ban under new rules)
Enjoy your dying forums, and I'll enjoy the dying chat (bet half of you don't even know it exists)
Congratulations, you have successfully created controversy! If you could read this, I'd suggest you give yourself a pat on the back.
he is right <.< this forum is less and less populated. I don't care about spam but I care about the staff not doing anything to stop this.
I've tried to encourage people by starting ZFGC Weekly; although based on the lack of replies today, few people have read it. In it I have highlighted great topics and a cool project that's going on in our community, and it doesn't seem to have gotten attention. Trust me, I've done my part.
Also, please remember that again not all staff agrees with removing Spam, especially myself.
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I read it, and my topic wasn't in it. :'( But still, it's a good thing that Spam is gone. And I haven't noticed content being any more spammy than when Spam existed. And I know the chatroom exists; I don't go there because no one else goes there.
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Dantz, I would not get discouraged; it takes a while for things to catch on, it is the beginning of the week, putting a news item in the Announcements would increase its visibility, and ultimately it works better as a news item (consider putting it in the News Feed possibly).
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Dantz, I would not get discouraged; it takes a while for things to catch on, it is the beginning of the week, putting a news item in the Announcements would increase its visibility, and ultimately it works better as a news item (consider putting it in the News Feed possibly).
Any way I can do that as just a staff member? PM me.
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Dantz, I would not get discouraged; it takes a while for things to catch on, it is the beginning of the week, putting a news item in the Announcements would increase its visibility, and ultimately it works better as a news item (consider putting it in the News Feed possibly).
Any way I can do that as just a staff member? PM me.
Too late?
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*plants spam flag in ground* I say we claim off-topic as the new spam.
TO ARMS, MEN
A reasonable solution.
If you don't want spam to permeate the fibers of the rest of ZFGC, you must reopen the spam forum.
...Seriously. The spam forum was the only thing that kept me coming here. When I say that, i mean, if it weren't for the spam forum, I wouldn't come here, post in the spam forum, and then check out the rest of the board.
With the spam forum gone, well, I'm relatively sure I will probably just stop coming here at all.
This could be considered my "Goodbye" to you all if Spam doesn't reappear in a week or so, so bye all!
Then please, by all means, get the !@#$% out.
I have reasons to leave beyond spam being gone, but thats for a topic we can't discuss without being banned.
Either way, CPP's right. Peace out. :P
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Explain you reasons immidiately.
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Thi is ridiculous. No offense to anyone, but this is how I see this:
WAH! SPAM IS GONE! WAH! I ONLY POSTED IN SPAM AND NOW IT'S GONE! WAH! I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE! WAH!
You realize how childish this is? Trelantana, you've posted in other boards. And gotten positive response. Why leave because one feature of your visit is gone? And ZServ, you've done the same. How about we all grow the heck up and act mature. I understand if you are incapable of acting mature; that's what spam was for. A cesspool of 8th-grade jokes and immaturity that was a black stain upon ZFGC. But now that it's gone you people are acting like there is no other reason to visit. You posted here, and this isn't spam. And Swoftu, you post interesting stories (such as the ninja sighting) NOT IN SPAM; I enjoy those posts. We can all act mature, whether or not we decide to act our age and do so is another matter.
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trelantana isnt even serious. He just posted recently. Its a trick to get them to put spams back.
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ITS A TRAP?
regardless, I think this forum is just fine without Spam.
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Thi is ridiculous. No offense to anyone, but this is how I see this:
WAH! SPAM IS GONE! WAH! I ONLY POSTED IN SPAM AND NOW IT'S GONE! WAH! I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE! WAH!
You realize how childish this is? Trelantana, you've posted in other boards. And gotten positive response. Why leave because one feature of your visit is gone? And ZServ, you've done the same. How about we all grow the heck up and act mature. I understand if you are incapable of acting mature; that's what spam was for. A cesspool of 8th-grade jokes and immaturity that was a black stain upon ZFGC. But now that it's gone you people are acting like there is no other reason to visit. You posted here, and this isn't spam. And Swoftu, you post interesting stories (such as the ninja sighting) NOT IN SPAM; I enjoy those posts. We can all act mature, whether or not we decide to act our age and do so is another matter.
Yeah, how dare they for wanting to leave after something they frequented is gone from the site. I mean, it doesn't matter if going to ZFGC would be boring or a chore to do, hey! We're all grown up! I know only cool people act mature all of the time. It's impossible to make childish jokes, because that would be really really immature. Right guys?...guys?
*May contain sarcasm
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Thi is ridiculous. No offense to anyone, but this is how I see this:
WAH! SPAM IS GONE! WAH! I ONLY POSTED IN SPAM AND NOW IT'S GONE! WAH! I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE! WAH!
You realize how childish this is? Trelantana, you've posted in other boards. And gotten positive response. Why leave because one feature of your visit is gone? And ZServ, you've done the same. How about we all grow the heck up and act mature. I understand if you are incapable of acting mature; that's what spam was for. A cesspool of 8th-grade jokes and immaturity that was a black stain upon ZFGC. But now that it's gone you people are acting like there is no other reason to visit. You posted here, and this isn't spam. And Swoftu, you post interesting stories (such as the ninja sighting) NOT IN SPAM; I enjoy those posts. We can all act mature, whether or not we decide to act our age and do so is another matter.
Yeah, how dare they for wanting to leave after something they frequented is gone from the site. I mean, it doesn't matter if going to ZFGC would be boring or a chore to do, hey! We're all grown up! I know only cool people act mature all of the time. It's impossible to make childish jokes, because that would be really really immature. Right guys?...guys?
*May contain sarcasm
QFT
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This forum seems worse because now they're spamming everywhere else.
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This forum seems worse because now they're spamming everywhere else.
I agree with that. seriously there used to be really small of spam/jokes outside of spam board, but now they are many, some of those are valid some others seem spam at first sight.. what an Irony.
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I think it's becasue they feel they HAVE to spam, when they don't. There is nothing that would make them NEED to spam, so they should NOT spam at all. They don't need to.
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Ugh, this topic is filled with overreactions on both sides. It is not like there is an epidemic everywhere at all and if occurrences of spam do come up in the boards now, for the most part they are dealt with. And really, trying to psychoanalyze the obvious only makes one look condescending to their subject.
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Exactly. Spam is like fapping, without it, your sexual desires will go wild in the other boards.(replace sex with spam.)
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I think it's becasue they feel they HAVE to spam, when they don't. There is nothing that would make them NEED to spam, so they should NOT spam at all. They don't need to.
I don't see what's your problem with spam. I mean, yes, trolling, and nonsense messages, etc. are stupid, but our spam was more of a fun, quirky little useless corner that kept people busy anyway.
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I have no problem with spam, but I thought that spam wasn't allowed outside of spam. and now that there is no spam, no spam allowed. no Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages. If you're going to post, have some content in it at least. Don't say one word or something. I want intelligent conversation in the boards, not stupid idiots being stupid.
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Sometimes one word makes he whole post.
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Ugh, this topic is filled with overreactions on both sides. It is not like there is an epidemic everywhere at all and if occurrences of spam do come up in the boards now, for the most part they are dealt with. And really, trying to psychoanalyze the obvious only makes one look condescending to their subject.
Thank you so much.
Okay guys, this is straight up what Spam is: it's not a place to go LOLPIE. It's a place for topics that may include obvious jokes, such as humorous titles, etc...it's a place for extremely casual, rapid fire discussion. It is NOT 4chan. Therefore, this forum is harmless...and this is why I didn't think we needed to remove it.
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Spam should be accessible, just under a different name. Off-Topic or Off the Wall would work. The name Spam gives the impression that one should spam in there. That's not what it's for.
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Agreed. Oh, wait, thats what Other Discusion is for.
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Therein lies the problem. Spam and Other Discussion are basically the same thing.
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I have no problem with spam, but I thought that spam wasn't allowed outside of spam. and now that there is no spam, no spam allowed. no Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages. If you're going to post, have some content in it at least. Don't say one word or something. I want intelligent conversation in the boards, not stupid idiots being stupid.
Ironic coming from someone who made some of the stupidest topics in spam.
Therein lies the problem. Spam and Other Discussion are basically the same thing.
FALSE. They're not even comparable.
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I have no problem with spam, but I thought that spam wasn't allowed outside of spam. and now that there is no spam, no spam allowed. no Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages. If you're going to post, have some content in it at least. Don't say one word or something. I want intelligent conversation in the boards, not stupid idiots being stupid.
Ironic coming from someone who made some of the stupidest topics in spam.
Therein lies the problem. Spam and Other Discussion are basically the same thing.
FALSE. They're not even comparable.
Yeah Swiftu is pretty much right on both cases.
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I have no problem with spam, but I thought that spam wasn't allowed outside of spam. and now that there is no spam, no spam allowed. no Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages. If you're going to post, have some content in it at least. Don't say one word or something. I want intelligent conversation in the boards, not stupid idiots being stupid.
Ironic coming from someone who made some of the stupidest topics in spam.
Therein lies the problem. Spam and Other Discussion are basically the same thing.
FALSE. They're not even comparable.
Yeah Swiftu is pretty much right on both cases.
ITT: World Explodes.
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Exactly.
Well, theyre different. In one, you have the right to post gfdkghjklfdhdbgjkfdbn-like topics.
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Actually when Garoth tried that the topic was locked.
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A topic locked in spam? Due to spam? Hmm...The place was exactly like OD.
Look, we can all agree that OD is just like spam in many ways; for casual discussion, only its moderated.
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I think the reason the topic was locked was because it was abusing the point of spam. The idea was Stupid, Pointless, and Annoying. The three main parts of Spam.
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A topic locked in spam? Due to spam? Hmm...The place was exactly like OD.
Look, we can all agree that OD is just like spam in many ways; for casual discussion, only its moderated.
OD is nothing like spam. So no, we cannot all agree.